Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Matt Jenkins
Correst

On 06/14/2010 01:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> and then ALL APs transmit simultaneously, not sequentially, correct?
> (others disagree)
>
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> On 6/14/2010 3:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Going in a different direction...
>>
>> Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or
>> 6x), or are you limited to something less than that?  Do you get full
>> capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that
>> full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around?
>>
>> -
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>> On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
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>>> Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync?
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Mike Hammett
That's what I thought you'd need and would happen.

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On 6/14/2010 3:50 PM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote:
> With standard FSK Canopy (7/14 Mbps) you can re-use frequencies on
> back-to-back sectors only. There is no throughput hit for doing so.
>
> Think about what the GPS sync does- it causes all AP transmission
> timeslots to occur simultaneously, and all receive timeslots to be
> synchronized. So colocated APs will never be receiving while another is
> transmitting, avoiding self-interference. However, SMs receiving from a
> transmitting AP cluster must have enough separation between APs
> transmitting on the same frequency so that the signal from the desired
> AP is above the minimum SNR for the given modulation (10 dB for 2x mode)
> when compared to another AP transmitting on the same frequency. This can
> be achieved with a standard Canopy AP module by placing them back to
> back--the front/back ratio on the antennas provides more than 10 dB
> isolation. But a SM placed at the edge of two 60 degree sectors wouldn't
> have nearly enough isolation between the two sectors if they were
> running on the same frequency to maintain an acceptable SNR.
>
> So in short, you need three channels to run a standard 6 AP sector GPS
> sync'd with Canopy.
>
>
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
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> Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> Going in a different direction...
>>
>> Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or
>> 6x), or are you limited to something less than that?  Do you get full
>> capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that
>> full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around?
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
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>> On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
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>>> Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync?
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Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Mike Hammett
and then ALL APs transmit simultaneously, not sequentially, correct?  
(others disagree)

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On 6/14/2010 3:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Going in a different direction...
>
> Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or
> 6x), or are you limited to something less than that?  Do you get full
> capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that
> full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around?
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
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> On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync?
>>
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Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
With standard FSK Canopy (7/14 Mbps) you can re-use frequencies on 
back-to-back sectors only. There is no throughput hit for doing so.

Think about what the GPS sync does- it causes all AP transmission 
timeslots to occur simultaneously, and all receive timeslots to be 
synchronized. So colocated APs will never be receiving while another is 
transmitting, avoiding self-interference. However, SMs receiving from a 
transmitting AP cluster must have enough separation between APs 
transmitting on the same frequency so that the signal from the desired 
AP is above the minimum SNR for the given modulation (10 dB for 2x mode) 
when compared to another AP transmitting on the same frequency. This can 
be achieved with a standard Canopy AP module by placing them back to 
back--the front/back ratio on the antennas provides more than 10 dB 
isolation. But a SM placed at the edge of two 60 degree sectors wouldn't 
have nearly enough isolation between the two sectors if they were 
running on the same frequency to maintain an acceptable SNR.

So in short, you need three channels to run a standard 6 AP sector GPS 
sync'd with Canopy.


Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
office: (301) 358-1690 x36
http://www.vectordatasystems.com


Mike Hammett wrote:
> Going in a different direction...
> 
> Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 
> 6x), or are you limited to something less than that?  Do you get full 
> capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that 
> full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around?
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
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> On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync?
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Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Going in a different direction...

Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 
6x), or are you limited to something less than that?  Do you get full 
capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that 
full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around?

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On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync?
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Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
> Redline Redmax AN-100U and UX both use GPS. I know that Airspan and
> Alvarions 3.65 products also use GPS. I believe anything 802.16d/e uses GPS.

802.16d FDD gear (like one from Alvarion) doesn't require GPS if
memory serves me right... 802.16d/e TDD systems are very likely to
have GPS.




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Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Redline Redmax AN-100U and UX both use GPS. I know that Airspan and 
Alvarions 3.65 products also use GPS. I believe anything 802.16d/e uses GPS.

-Eic

On 6/14/2010 11:44 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:
> RedMAX 3.5 GHz (not for use in the US) products sure use GPS.
> RedConnec AN-80i don't.
> Is the 3.65 solution  based on RedMAX or AN-80 ?
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Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Freylekhman, Alex
Gentlemen,

All of our WiMAX TDD equipment comes with standard GPS synchronization. US 
options are 3.65 and 5GHz. It helps us to mitigate far and near co-channel 
interference

 

Best regards

Alex

 

 

 

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Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync?

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Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Randy Cosby
Tranzeo just announced GPS for their 5.8 Wimax.



On 6/14/2010 10:44 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:
> RedMAX 3.5 GHz (not for use in the US) products sure use GPS.
> RedConnec AN-80i don't.
> Is the 3.65 solution  based on RedMAX or AN-80 ?
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Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Rubens Kuhl
RedMAX 3.5 GHz (not for use in the US) products sure use GPS.
RedConnec AN-80i don't.
Is the 3.65 solution  based on RedMAX or AN-80 ?


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Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Steven G McGehee
I can confirm Redline can use GPS.


Jeremie Chism wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Jeremie Chism
Pretty sure redline does also.

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Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Jerry Richardson
Redline 3.65? 


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Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync?

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Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Jeremie Chism
Axxcelera 3.65 can sync for aggressive frequency reuse.

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Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Jeremie Chism
Axxcelera.

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Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Gino Villarini
Any Wimax based

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Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Chuck Profito
GPS :-)

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[WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync?

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