Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-21 Thread Charles n wyble
: Dennis Burgess To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik If you look at the two just from a cost perspective, the x86 for Vyatta is Free, RouterOS would be just $45 bucks for their license. FREE vs $45 bucks. Just saying that MT

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-21 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
- Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik If you look at the two just from a cost perspective, the x86 for Vyatta is Free, RouterOS would be just $45 bucks for their license. FREE vs

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-21 Thread Steve Barnes
-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik This has been an interesting thread... I cannot help but remember a story that someone told me when I was young

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-21 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Glenn Kelley mailto:gl...@hostmedic.com *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:04 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik Tom - I think

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-18 Thread Forbes Mercy
://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ghering *Sent:* Friday, September 17, 2010 8:41 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik You know its funny I read these experiences with different types of gear, mind

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-18 Thread Forbes Mercy
Some 411's some 433's all running 4.11, the 133's are running 3.something, all current with firmware upgrades as well, no change to speak of. On 9/17/2010 5:18 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: On 17 September 2010 04:27, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-18 Thread RickG
/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ghering *Sent:* Friday, September 17, 2010 8:41 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik You know its funny I read these experiences

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-18 Thread Jon Auer
Vyatta has a much better reputation for stability for things like internet border routing among the usual internet-scale suspects on nanog list etc. Mikrotik has a pretty bad rap out there for 'causing' a couple global BGP issues a year or so ago. MT isn't helping by being largely incompetent at

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-18 Thread Butch Evans
On Sat, 2010-09-18 at 16:04 -0500, Jon Auer wrote: Vyatta has a much better reputation for stability for things like internet border routing among the usual internet-scale suspects on nanog list etc. I suspect this is more about a lack of understanding of the fact that Mikrotik is NOT

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-18 Thread Rubens Kuhl
MT isn't helping by being largely incompetent at change/quality control. Regressons appearing between releases on modules where there are no changes listed in the changelog etc. Changelogs that don't reflect actual changes or secretive known bugs are a bad industry habit. Cisco does that as

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Forbes Mercy
Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Bret Clark
of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 17 September 2010 04:27, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: How my day ended, I really don't mean to slight Mikrotik or it's dealers. People who route their networks will have a fraction of the problems I have but I have to admit the excuse of must be your employees or that

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Justin Wilson
...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Ryan Ghering
You know its funny I read these experiences with different types of gear, mind you we have never used Mikrotik for SM's to the customers but we do use them exclusively for other things. However we have similar problems with ANY of the gear we have purchased over the years. Most the most problems

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Steve Barnes
:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik You know its funny I read these experiences with different types of gear, mind you we have never used Mikrotik for SM's to the customers but we do use them exclusively for other things. However we have similar problems

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Bret Clark
Sep 2010 01:27:25 -0700 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik How my day ended, I really don't mean to slight Mikrotik or it's dealers. People who route their networks will have a fraction of the problems I have but I have to admit the excuse

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Travis Johnson
Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Fred Goldstein
...@wispa.htmwireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:27:25 -0700 To: WISPA General List wirel...@wispa.htmwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik How my day ended, I really don't mean to slight Mikrotik or it's dealers. People who route their networks will have a fraction

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Jeremie Chism
on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:27:25 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 08:39 -0400, Justin Wilson wrote: If it’s all bridged then ARP tables fill up, memory runs low, and all kinds of things happen. I know Forbes has mentioned a bridged network on here before. I would put your money into routing the network and then get rid of the

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Fred Goldstein
mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:27:25 -0700 To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik How my day ended, I really don't mean to slight Mikrotik or it's dealers. People who route

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 11:29 -0400, Fred Goldstein wrote: Glad to hear it's working. My plan is to put a router at the core and run layer 2 beyond. How flexible is RouterOS for setting up lots of VLANs? VERY flexible.

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Sounds to me like they are not familiar with RouterOS. Mikrotik's RouterOS does just about everything that you can imagine in a layer 2 and layer 3 network device. It does not perform all of these tasks flawlessly, but the platform is more then usable. Just need to watch out for the gotchas.

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 9/17/2010 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Sounds to me like they are not familiar with RouterOS. Mikrotik's RouterOS does just about everything that you can imagine in a layer 2 and layer 3 network device. It does not perform all of these tasks flawlessly, but the platform is more then usable.

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Several threads have suggests Mikrotik over Vyatta. Cheaper and better. I have not used Vyatta. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 9/17/2010 12:39 PM,

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Greg Ihnen
Isn't Vyatta for the x86 free? I'm not familiar with OpenWRT, but between dd-WRT and RouterOS it's no contest. RouterOS wins. Greg On Sep 17, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Several threads have suggests Mikrotik over Vyatta. Cheaper and better. I have not used Vyatta. Josh

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Josh Luthman
I guess you're right, appears it is free: http://www.vyatta.com/downloads/index.php Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't Vyatta for the x86 free? I'm not

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 9/17/2010 01:51 PM, Greg wrote: Isn't Vyatta for the x86 free? I'm not familiar with OpenWRT, but between dd-WRT and RouterOS it's no contest. RouterOS wins. Vyatta sells prepackaged routers at a much larger size than MikroTik, and should even support 10G Ethernet uplinks. Whether their

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I guess you're right, appears it is free: http://www.vyatta.com/downloads/index.php Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Glenn Kelley
, 2010 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I guess you're right, appears it is free: http://www.vyatta.com/downloads/index.php Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Sep 17

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 14:22 -0400, Fred Goldstein wrote: Vyatta sells prepackaged routers at a much larger size than MikroTik, and should even support 10G Ethernet uplinks I have these for Mikrotik. . Whether their flavor of Linux does anything to make this possible that RouterOS

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Jeromie Reeves
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 9/17/2010 01:51 PM, Greg wrote: Isn't Vyatta for the x86 free? There is a DL for it. I'm not familiar with OpenWRT, but between dd-WRT and RouterOS it's no contest. RouterOS wins. Exactly, there is little

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Dennis Burgess
of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik At 9/17/2010 01:51 PM, Greg wrote: Isn't Vyatta

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-17 Thread Dennis Burgess
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik At 9/17/2010 01:51 PM, Greg wrote: Isn't Vyatta for the x86 free? I'm not familiar with OpenWRT, but between dd-WRT and RouterOS it's no contest. RouterOS wins. Vyatta sells prepackaged routers at a much larger size than MikroTik, and should even support

[WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Forbes Mercy
I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Josh Luthman
If it doesn't work for you it doesn't work, no need to try and fix it if Ubiquiti works. Though I am curious to know how it lost its configuration as I have only seen that on two occurrences, on an rb153 and rb532 (which are pretty old). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Bret Clark
Can't say I've seen that yet, but we have newer Mikrotiks...Of course the bigger question is what happens if you do make that change and your problem doesn't go away?. On 09/16/2010 02:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: If it doesn't work for you it doesn't work, no need to try and fix it if Ubiquiti

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Chuck Hogg
stable over time, keeping much of the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Josh Luthman
of the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik  I have about 30

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Mark Nash
, 2010 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik There's something to be said for losing faith in a technology. For me, it's the build-it-yourself radios. All of them. Mikrotik StarOS. For me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in redundant

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Josh Luthman
WIRELESS devices... - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik There's something to be said for losing faith in a technology.  For me

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Mike Hammett
YMMV. I've had near flawless performance from my Mikrotik systems. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/16/2010 1:04 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Mark Nash
, September 16, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik YMMV. I've had near flawless performance from my Mikrotik systems. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/16/2010 1:04 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have about 30 seconds to leave

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Dennis Burgess
List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik Also, to be fair, I've never had a problem with Mikrotik because I have never used Mikrotik radios (neither CPE or AP). We've had StarOS. So, while my frustration comes from StarOS wireless devices, I lump Mikrotik in with them because of the build

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Scott Reed
with the hardware and touchy installation of that hardware. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik YMMV. I've had near flawless

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Mark Nash
, 2010 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik There are many vendors offering built CPEs and APs based on MT hardware. They don't have to build-it-yourself just because MT doesn't do the packaging. On 9/16/2010 3:23 PM, Mark Nash wrote: Also, to be fair, I've never had a problem

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Travis Johnson
: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Robert West
I hear ya, my brother. No flaming here. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Josh Luthman
or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik  I have about 30 seconds to leave

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Chuck Hogg
of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Gary Garrett
Make me a good deal on the Mikrotiks. On 9/16/2010 11:04 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Jim Patient
...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread RickG
of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik