Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2010-02-08 Thread Jayson Baker
So what's the latest with this? We essentially have an IPTV headend running in the shop. It's nice being able to sit in my office and work on the computer, while watching TV streamed over the LAN. But that doesn't make much money. At the UBNT AirMax conference they said they're doing IPTV over

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2010-02-08 Thread Josh Luthman
To this day I've heard of countless people that do it to compete (the triple bundle) but none that make any money. 6mbps multicast...per active channel. Usually it happens in such a way that if someone starts watching a channels 20-25 the channel will multicast through the network up until no

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2010-02-08 Thread Jayson Baker
Probably would not be profitable for us, either, in all actuality. We'd like to just offer some basic channels. Maybe 30 or 40. For those people who really just want basic TV Networks, Disney, ESPN, etc. But I think the programmers would force you to carry all their other stupid channels.

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-27 Thread David E. Smith
Out of idle curiosity, have any of you IPTV folks priced CableCARDs? There's a certain appeal in having customers provide their own equipment. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-27 Thread Jayson Baker
CableCARD's don't accept Ethernet...? On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 8:11 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: Out of idle curiosity, have any of you IPTV folks priced CableCARDs? There's a certain appeal in having customers provide their own equipment. David Smith MVN.net

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-27 Thread David E. Smith
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 09:49, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: CableCARD's don't accept Ethernet...? I was assuming using IP as a convenient way to deliver TV, as in a fiber deployment (where the end-user only sees coax). David Smith MVN.net

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-27 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
Jayson Baker wrote: I will need to test that. The setting lets you use any valid modulation for the RF mode your in. I will also test with my B5M's. What exactly are you referring to? On the older 802.11a/b/g devices I see Multicast Rate. But on the Rocket/Bullet/Nano N-series (M

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-25 Thread Jayson Baker
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Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-25 Thread Andrew Niemantsverdriet
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Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-25 Thread richard sterne
Did you get any pricing for the Amino STB's? I would like to know more about your setup. Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-25 Thread Jayson Baker
I seem to remember the low-end ones were around $130/ea. Not sure about the others. Price will vary based on where you buy and in what quantity I assume. Remembered that standard 802.11 will only multicast at around 1Mbps. So that's why we were having the problem with the multicast over AirMax

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-25 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
You can change the multicast rate on the non airmax units. Mine are enroute so have not tried with the airmax gear. I have not heard back about the units. At 130 ea, a Roku with the same features as the low end unit, will be more cost effective. I am still researching about the licensing

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-25 Thread Jayson Baker
IIRc, multicast is limited at the 6Mbps modulation on WiFi Tell me I'm wrong, please. But I've read it a couple times--compeltely forgot until we started doing this. Before, when we were watching IPTV off our fiber headend, we were doing it over EoIP. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:19 PM,

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-25 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
I will need to test that. The setting lets you use any valid modulation for the RF mode your in. I will also test with my B5M's. Jayson Baker wrote: IIRc, multicast is limited at the 6Mbps modulation on WiFi Tell me I'm wrong, please. But I've read it a couple times--compeltely forgot until

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-20 Thread Mike Hammett
: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? Interestingly enough, I've had a project lying on my desk for a couple weeks now which requires streaming live content to a large group of people in a neighborhood (think of it as a neighborhood association wanting to broadcast their meetings to their residents

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-20 Thread Jayson Baker
, November 16, 2009 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? Interestingly enough, I've had a project lying on my desk for a couple weeks now which requires streaming live content to a large group of people in a neighborhood (think

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-16 Thread Blake Covarrubias
I've read the responses from others who are running IPTV over wireless. My question is when you all are saying wireless, do you mean unlicensed 2.4ghz or 5.8ghz, or do you mean wireless technology in general? My company utilizes 2.5 and 3.65ghz, which are the same frequencies we'd be looking

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-16 Thread Jayson Baker
We got OK to do it over MT equipment in unlicensed bands. Their concern was that A) they didn't want it going over any sort of public network (i.e. WiFi Hotspot) and B) encryption remained in-tact from the headend to the STB. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Blake Covarrubias

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-16 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
That seams reasonable. Did I understand you correctly earlier in that you can not talk about the license process due to NDA, or due to not being directly involved? I will be contacting Avail Media and checking into their offerings. Jayson Baker wrote: We got OK to do it over MT equipment in

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-16 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? Do you have any idea why? And, from my reading of FCC documents a IP Video delivery service is not bound by the same

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-16 Thread Mike Hammett
: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? You have to spend a lot of money getting the rights from the channels - this is painful. An alternative is to resell service from a company that already has this. I believe you must use the feed from that particular company, but I could be wrong. Josh

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-16 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
, November 15, 2009 10:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? Do you have any idea why? And, from my reading of FCC documents a IP Video delivery service is not bound by the same CATV must carry rules. Why do you say 500k for a real system

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? I cannot

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-16 Thread Jayson Baker
-- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? I cannot comment on the contracts. As I have mentioned previously, we

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-16 Thread Jack Unger
Blake, In general the IPTV principles being discussed would apply to any broadband wireless system either license-free, licensed, or licensed-lite. jack Blake Covarrubias wrote: I've read the responses from others who are running IPTV over wireless. My question is when you all are saying

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-16 Thread Jayson Baker
Interestingly enough, I've had a project lying on my desk for a couple weeks now which requires streaming live content to a large group of people in a neighborhood (think of it as a neighborhood association wanting to broadcast their meetings to their residents). I don't know why I didn't see the

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-16 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
Well thats exactly what I had in mind. Its the licensing portion that is getting me. Now, the requirement for enc to the STB, is not that big a deal, unless they can mandate what type and such. I also know that some places are doing a IP feed over there digital channel @19mbit (2sd 1 hd, iirc). In

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-16 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
We successfuly transmitted all of our programming over MikroTik wireless links without any problems. Including HD. I have one doubt. Let's say that one SD/HD channel takes 1Mbps (just to make math simple) and let's say that the number of total available channel is 50. (the total number or

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-16 Thread Mike Hammett
1:39 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? We successfuly transmitted all of our programming over MikroTik wireless links without any problems. Including HD. I have one doubt. Let's say that one SD/HD channel takes 1Mbps (just to make

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-16 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
That is why my target is to just qualify for being a CATV operator (and my target spots are the same, less then 15 channels, all but one is OTA). Using multicast, all say, 20 channels will head out, no extra use per TV and no VoD. (for the wireless network). This also assumes its a dedicated

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-15 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-15 Thread Mike Hammett
...@18-30chat.net Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? Jayson Baker wrote: Building the headend isn't that difficult, you're right. Ours was actually pretty simple. We used multi-channel satellite

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-15 Thread Jayson Baker
...@18-30chat.net Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-15 Thread Josh Luthman
-- From: jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-15 Thread RickG
@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I can not find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-15 Thread Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? Jayson, Can you elaborate on the contracts and the system you have in place to provide this? -RickG On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Jayson Baker jay

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-15 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
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Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-15 Thread Josh Luthman
-- From: jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-15 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
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Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-15 Thread Jayson Baker
: jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-11 Thread Clint Ricker
You can roll your own middleware until you have to deal with encryption. Most IPTV settop boxes are provisioned via bootp to push out the OS and the channel maps, so it is a trivial matter to provision a STB on your own. Encryption, however, complicates matters a lot and, as Jayson mentioned, even

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-11 Thread Clint Ricker
Most of the processing stuff can be done on Linux with VLC and/or FFMpeg (for IP to ASI conversion, transcoding/transrating, etc...) -Clint Ricker On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.comwrote: We're operate a small cable TV company in a minor section of our

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-11 Thread Clint Ricker
If you're skeptical about putting $50k into IPTV, you probably need to be looking elsewhere. Even rolling your own, it can easily run you more than that. Satellite receivers are expensive. ASI to IP conversion is expensive. The likely upgrades to your network to handle the increased load is

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-11 Thread Robert West
, November 11, 2009 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? If you're skeptical about putting $50k into IPTV, you probably need to be looking elsewhere. Even rolling your own, it can easily run you more than that. Satellite receivers are expensive. ASI to IP

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-11 Thread richard sterne
This may help a few of you out http://www.scribd.com/doc/7656628/HOw-to-Set-Up-Your-Own-Home-IPTVVoD-System http://www.aminocom.com/index.asp?PageID=2145848499 Richard 2009/11/11 Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Do you mean I can't just point a web cam at my TV and have the customer

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-10 Thread Blake Covarrubias
We're operate a small cable TV company in a minor section of our service area and carry about 55 channels which includes most of the major networks. We're interested in deploying IPTV. What middleware software would you recommend? You mentioned you used Linux in your headend environment. Can

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-10 Thread Jayson Baker
Middleware... we initially used something that started with an E... I don't remember. It was junk, and the developers were not too bright. We ended up going with Minerva - it's great. ATT U-Verse runs Minerva, so that has to tell you something. Our headend was built by Avail Media. I don't

[WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-09 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I can not find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho, etc. There is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-09 Thread Jayson Baker
Have a look at Avail Media. We used them in the past for an FTTH project I was involved in. They will provide you the headend, and satellite feeds from their super-headend (aggregator). They work with the networks and it makes licensing and such a little easier. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM,

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-09 Thread can...@believewireless.net
When we looked into Avail Media, it was a $500,000 investment to start if I remember correctly. (Headend, set top boxes, etc.) On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Have a look at Avail Media.  We used them in the past for an FTTH project I was involved

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-09 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
Thats the problem, if I had 50K sitting around for gear, I would not be putting it into TV (well, maybe I would be, but more BW, more towers, faster clients, etc come to mind sooner). I can build a head end for far far less then that, If I stuck to the free channels or made my won deals with each

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-09 Thread Jayson Baker
Building the headend isn't that difficult, you're right. Ours was actually pretty simple. We used multi-channel satellite receivers; each tuned 32 channels I think. It had an ASI output. We'd take the ASI stream, and run it into an ASI-input PCI card. Each card took 4 ASI streams, and was

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-09 Thread Gary Garrett
The best option is create your own local content no license fees. This means everything the local TV station has with no FCC license. Probably only doable with a big cash reserve you pulled out of the stock market. So, what options exist for IPTV ?

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-09 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
Jayson Baker wrote: Building the headend isn't that difficult, you're right. Ours was actually pretty simple. We used multi-channel satellite receivers; each tuned 32 channels I think. It had an ASI output. Thats more channels then I am even really looking to start will, unless I can find

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-09 Thread Jayson Baker
Echostar's IPTV product is different from DISH Network's wholesale/resellable service. DISH cannot cross ROW's. Echo IPTV can, it was designed to do just that. Middleware was something I wasn't too heavily involved in, to be honest with you. But I do know your IPTV STB won't run without it.

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-09 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
Jayson Baker wrote: Echostar's IPTV product is different from DISH Network's wholesale/resellable service. DISH cannot cross ROW's. Echo IPTV can, it was designed to do just that. Middleware was something I wasn't too heavily involved in, to be honest with you. But I do know your IPTV