Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

2010-02-18 Thread Brad Belton
Before I decide on trying Randy's idea, is there anyone that happens to have
a DragonWave Air-Pair outdoor cable they're willing to part with?

It looks like Tessco and Hutton are special order only.  If anyone has a
cable they are willing to sell let me know.  I think we've got one cable
that is long enough for one side, but I need another cable for the other
side.

Thanks!



Brad Belton
BelWave Communications
O:  817-737-3124 #101
F:  817-336-7031




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another 
used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs.   I would 
think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem.

Randy


On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
 Hello Randy,

 Ha!  Very interesting.  How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each
side
 of the link?  At what power level do you have the radios set to?

 Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way
 inside to the outdoor designed IDU.  This would limit the length of the
 proprietary cables to a minimum.  The question I have if we do this is:
 Will the outdoor IDU be able to power  operate the ODU over the 50'-200'
of
 LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to do?

 Thanks for the feedback!

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
feedback...

 Since your unit is out of warranty anyway...

 If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port
 inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug.
 We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system
 - http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf
 and peeled the power off that.  We were then able to push power +
 ethernet up on one cable.



 On 2/16/2010 6:31 AM, Brad Belton wrote:

 Hello Kristian,

 Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too
  
 small

 for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable.  It's a shame the product engineers
  
 some

 manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of
  
 basic

 field requirements.

 The inherited DragonWave AirPair radios that we're contemplating using on
  
 a

 job have the proprietary round DIN style plug attached to a custom
 DragonWave bundled cable.  It looks like Hutton and Tessco have these
  
 custom

 cables in a variety of lengths, but what a pain in the tail!

 Thanks for the information.  I've got some more reading to do before we
 decide on deploying these radios or just to punt them on EBay.

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
  
 feedback...

 On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 12:32 -0600, Brad Belton wrote:

  
 Hello,

 We've inherited a DragonWave Air-Pair radio set and I'm looking for any
 feedback from those that have deployed these.  The good, bad and ugly.


 We have a few Horizon Compact links.  They've done very well except for
 when we get weird high/low pressure systems that result in a layer of
 fog in our valley that sits at about ~150ft.  The DW engineer called the
 effect ducting.  We enabled AAM in an attempt to counter the affects,
 but the AAM code was apparently buggy in the version we had.  So instead
 of stabilizing the link, it made it much, much worse.  So make sure you
 get the latest firmware if you can.


  
 We'll probably need new cable sets for each end as well, so to any
 DragonWave vendors on the list please feel free to send me an email with
 prices on cable length options.


 The Horizon Compact units have unfriendly ethernet connectors as well.
 Something along the lines of this...

 http://www.connecticc.com/default.aspx?page=item%
 20detailitemcode=JTRJ45-12NXL


  
 I sure hope their new Horizon radios don't require these BS proprietary
 cables like the Air-Pair radios.  What a pain in the tail...



 -Kristian





  



 
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

2010-02-18 Thread Randy Cosby
Brad,

I had one thought last night I hadn't considered before.

My unit is a 100Mbps unit, so Cat5e POE was workable. At 200Mbps, you'll 
need GigE I assume.  This will require all 4 pairs for data.  You'd need 
more cable for power.  At worst you'll need two separate cables, but 
it's still workable.

Randy


On 2/18/2010 11:25 AM, Brad Belton wrote:
 Before I decide on trying Randy's idea, is there anyone that happens to have
 a DragonWave Air-Pair outdoor cable they're willing to part with?

 It looks like Tessco and Hutton are special order only.  If anyone has a
 cable they are willing to sell let me know.  I think we've got one cable
 that is long enough for one side, but I need another cable for the other
 side.

 Thanks!



 Brad Belton
 BelWave Communications
 O:  817-737-3124 #101
 F:  817-336-7031




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

 We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another
 used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs.   I would
 think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem.

 Randy


 On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 Hello Randy,

 Ha!  Very interesting.  How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each
  
 side

 of the link?  At what power level do you have the radios set to?

 Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way
 inside to the outdoor designed IDU.  This would limit the length of the
 proprietary cables to a minimum.  The question I have if we do this is:
 Will the outdoor IDU be able to power   operate the ODU over the 50'-200'
  
 of

 LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to do?

 Thanks for the feedback!

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
  
 feedback...

 Since your unit is out of warranty anyway...

 If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port
 inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug.
 We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system
 - http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf
 and peeled the power off that.  We were then able to push power +
 ethernet up on one cable.



 On 2/16/2010 6:31 AM, Brad Belton wrote:

  
 Hello Kristian,

 Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too


 small

  
 for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable.  It's a shame the product engineers


 some

  
 manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of


 basic

  
 field requirements.

 The inherited DragonWave AirPair radios that we're contemplating using on


 a

  
 job have the proprietary round DIN style plug attached to a custom
 DragonWave bundled cable.  It looks like Hutton and Tessco have these


 custom

  
 cables in a variety of lengths, but what a pain in the tail!

 Thanks for the information.  I've got some more reading to do before we
 decide on deploying these radios or just to punt them on EBay.

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and


 feedback...

  
 On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 12:32 -0600, Brad Belton wrote:



 Hello,

 We've inherited a DragonWave Air-Pair radio set and I'm looking for any
 feedback from those that have deployed these.  The good, bad and ugly.


  
 We have a few Horizon Compact links.  They've done very well except for
 when we get weird high/low pressure systems that result in a layer of
 fog in our valley that sits at about ~150ft.  The DW engineer called the
 effect ducting.  We enabled AAM in an attempt to counter the affects,
 but the AAM code was apparently buggy in the version we had.  So instead
 of stabilizing the link, it made it much, much worse.  So make sure you
 get the latest firmware if you can.




 We'll probably need new cable sets for each end as well, so to any
 DragonWave vendors on the list please feel free to send me an email with
 prices on cable length options.


  
 The Horizon Compact units have unfriendly ethernet connectors as well.
 Something along the lines of this...

 http://www.connecticc.com/default.aspx?page=item%
 20detailitemcode=JTRJ45-12NXL




 I sure hope their new Horizon radios don't require these BS

Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

2010-02-18 Thread Brad Belton
Correct.  I've been reading over the manuals Tom was good enough to send me.
Thanks again Tom!

These particular radios are only 50MB and the application is for a client
looking for an alternate path from their existing 45MB DS3.  In this case
we're good with a 100MB cable limitation.  Whenever their DS3 agreement
expires we'll propose a 100MB+ circuit and likely remove the DragonWave gear
for new Trango gear.

It appears the Air-Pair radios will auto adjust for IF cable losses.  I'm
considering running 100-150' of LMR400 between the outdoor IDU and ODU on
our side to eliminate us needing to source a second proprietary cable.  Does
anyone that has deployed DragonWave Air-Pair radios see that as a problem?

Thanks!


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

Brad,

I had one thought last night I hadn't considered before.

My unit is a 100Mbps unit, so Cat5e POE was workable. At 200Mbps, you'll 
need GigE I assume.  This will require all 4 pairs for data.  You'd need 
more cable for power.  At worst you'll need two separate cables, but 
it's still workable.

Randy


On 2/18/2010 11:25 AM, Brad Belton wrote:
 Before I decide on trying Randy's idea, is there anyone that happens to
have
 a DragonWave Air-Pair outdoor cable they're willing to part with?

 It looks like Tessco and Hutton are special order only.  If anyone has a
 cable they are willing to sell let me know.  I think we've got one cable
 that is long enough for one side, but I need another cable for the other
 side.

 Thanks!



 Brad Belton
 BelWave Communications
 O:  817-737-3124 #101
 F:  817-336-7031




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
feedback...

 We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another
 used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs.   I would
 think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem.

 Randy


 On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 Hello Randy,

 Ha!  Very interesting.  How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each
  
 side

 of the link?  At what power level do you have the radios set to?

 Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way
 inside to the outdoor designed IDU.  This would limit the length of the
 proprietary cables to a minimum.  The question I have if we do this is:
 Will the outdoor IDU be able to power   operate the ODU over the
50'-200'
  
 of

 LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to do?

 Thanks for the feedback!

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
  
 feedback...

 Since your unit is out of warranty anyway...

 If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port
 inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug.
 We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system
 - http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf
 and peeled the power off that.  We were then able to push power +
 ethernet up on one cable.



 On 2/16/2010 6:31 AM, Brad Belton wrote:

  
 Hello Kristian,

 Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too


 small

  
 for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable.  It's a shame the product engineers


 some

  
 manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of


 basic

  
 field requirements.

 The inherited DragonWave AirPair radios that we're contemplating using
on


 a

  
 job have the proprietary round DIN style plug attached to a custom
 DragonWave bundled cable.  It looks like Hutton and Tessco have these


 custom

  
 cables in a variety of lengths, but what a pain in the tail!

 Thanks for the information.  I've got some more reading to do before we
 decide on deploying these radios or just to punt them on EBay.

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and


 feedback...

  
 On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 12:32 -0600, Brad Belton wrote:



 Hello,

 We've inherited a DragonWave Air-Pair radio set and I'm looking for any
 feedback from those

Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

2010-02-18 Thread Brad Belton
Just put a call into DragonWave Support to ask about AirPair IF cable length
limitations.  It'll be interesting to see how well their call center system
works as compared to actually getting a live tech when calling Trango...

Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:49 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

Correct.  I've been reading over the manuals Tom was good enough to send me.
Thanks again Tom!

These particular radios are only 50MB and the application is for a client
looking for an alternate path from their existing 45MB DS3.  In this case
we're good with a 100MB cable limitation.  Whenever their DS3 agreement
expires we'll propose a 100MB+ circuit and likely remove the DragonWave gear
for new Trango gear.

It appears the Air-Pair radios will auto adjust for IF cable losses.  I'm
considering running 100-150' of LMR400 between the outdoor IDU and ODU on
our side to eliminate us needing to source a second proprietary cable.  Does
anyone that has deployed DragonWave Air-Pair radios see that as a problem?

Thanks!


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

Brad,

I had one thought last night I hadn't considered before.

My unit is a 100Mbps unit, so Cat5e POE was workable. At 200Mbps, you'll 
need GigE I assume.  This will require all 4 pairs for data.  You'd need 
more cable for power.  At worst you'll need two separate cables, but 
it's still workable.

Randy


On 2/18/2010 11:25 AM, Brad Belton wrote:
 Before I decide on trying Randy's idea, is there anyone that happens to
have
 a DragonWave Air-Pair outdoor cable they're willing to part with?

 It looks like Tessco and Hutton are special order only.  If anyone has a
 cable they are willing to sell let me know.  I think we've got one cable
 that is long enough for one side, but I need another cable for the other
 side.

 Thanks!



 Brad Belton
 BelWave Communications
 O:  817-737-3124 #101
 F:  817-336-7031




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
feedback...

 We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another
 used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs.   I would
 think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem.

 Randy


 On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 Hello Randy,

 Ha!  Very interesting.  How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each
  
 side

 of the link?  At what power level do you have the radios set to?

 Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way
 inside to the outdoor designed IDU.  This would limit the length of the
 proprietary cables to a minimum.  The question I have if we do this is:
 Will the outdoor IDU be able to power   operate the ODU over the
50'-200'
  
 of

 LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to do?

 Thanks for the feedback!

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
  
 feedback...

 Since your unit is out of warranty anyway...

 If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port
 inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug.
 We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system
 - http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf
 and peeled the power off that.  We were then able to push power +
 ethernet up on one cable.



 On 2/16/2010 6:31 AM, Brad Belton wrote:

  
 Hello Kristian,

 Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too


 small

  
 for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable.  It's a shame the product engineers


 some

  
 manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of


 basic

  
 field requirements.

 The inherited DragonWave AirPair radios that we're contemplating using
on


 a

  
 job have the proprietary round DIN style plug attached to a custom
 DragonWave bundled cable.  It looks like Hutton and Tessco have these


 custom

  
 cables in a variety of lengths, but what a pain in the tail!

 Thanks for the information.  I've got some more reading to do before we
 decide on deploying these radios or just to punt

Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

2010-02-18 Thread Bob Moldashel
I would think no BUT

Keep in mind that they are expecting the cable length to be short with 
an outdoor modem unit.  The gain may be set real low and when you 
finally go ahead and put 150 LMR400 in and increase the attenuation you 
may not work.  Call tech support to find out for sure.  It won't cost 
you anything and they will know for sure.  Or send them an e-mail:  
supp...@dragonwaveinc.com

Good Luck

-B-




Brad Belton wrote:
 Correct.  I've been reading over the manuals Tom was good enough to send me.
 Thanks again Tom!

 These particular radios are only 50MB and the application is for a client
 looking for an alternate path from their existing 45MB DS3.  In this case
 we're good with a 100MB cable limitation.  Whenever their DS3 agreement
 expires we'll propose a 100MB+ circuit and likely remove the DragonWave gear
 for new Trango gear.

 It appears the Air-Pair radios will auto adjust for IF cable losses.  I'm
 considering running 100-150' of LMR400 between the outdoor IDU and ODU on
 our side to eliminate us needing to source a second proprietary cable.  Does
 anyone that has deployed DragonWave Air-Pair radios see that as a problem?

 Thanks!


 Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:38 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

 Brad,

 I had one thought last night I hadn't considered before.

 My unit is a 100Mbps unit, so Cat5e POE was workable. At 200Mbps, you'll 
 need GigE I assume.  This will require all 4 pairs for data.  You'd need 
 more cable for power.  At worst you'll need two separate cables, but 
 it's still workable.

 Randy


 On 2/18/2010 11:25 AM, Brad Belton wrote:
   
 Before I decide on trying Randy's idea, is there anyone that happens to
 
 have
   
 a DragonWave Air-Pair outdoor cable they're willing to part with?

 It looks like Tessco and Hutton are special order only.  If anyone has a
 cable they are willing to sell let me know.  I think we've got one cable
 that is long enough for one side, but I need another cable for the other
 side.

 Thanks!



 Brad Belton
 BelWave Communications
 O:  817-737-3124 #101
 F:  817-336-7031




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
 
 feedback...
   
 We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another
 used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs.   I would
 think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem.

 Randy


 On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 
 Hello Randy,

 Ha!  Very interesting.  How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each
  
   
 side

 
 of the link?  At what power level do you have the radios set to?

 Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way
 inside to the outdoor designed IDU.  This would limit the length of the
 proprietary cables to a minimum.  The question I have if we do this is:
 Will the outdoor IDU be able to power   operate the ODU over the
   
 50'-200'
   
  
   
 of

 
 LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to do?

 Thanks for the feedback!

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
  
   
 feedback...

 
 Since your unit is out of warranty anyway...

 If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port
 inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug.
 We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system
 - http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf
 and peeled the power off that.  We were then able to push power +
 ethernet up on one cable.



 On 2/16/2010 6:31 AM, Brad Belton wrote:

  
   
 Hello Kristian,

 Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too


 
 small

  
   
 for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable.  It's a shame the product engineers


 
 some

  
   
 manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of


 
 basic

  
   
 field requirements.

 The inherited DragonWave AirPair radios that we're contemplating using
 
 on
   

 
 a

  
   
 job have the proprietary round DIN style plug attached to a custom
 DragonWave bundled cable.  It looks like Hutton and Tessco have these


 
 custom

  
   
 cables in a variety

Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

2010-02-18 Thread Brad Belton
Thanks for the feedback Bob.  I just emailed DragonWave Support as well.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

I would think no BUT

Keep in mind that they are expecting the cable length to be short with 
an outdoor modem unit.  The gain may be set real low and when you 
finally go ahead and put 150 LMR400 in and increase the attenuation you 
may not work.  Call tech support to find out for sure.  It won't cost 
you anything and they will know for sure.  Or send them an e-mail:  
supp...@dragonwaveinc.com

Good Luck

-B-




Brad Belton wrote:
 Correct.  I've been reading over the manuals Tom was good enough to send
me.
 Thanks again Tom!

 These particular radios are only 50MB and the application is for a client
 looking for an alternate path from their existing 45MB DS3.  In this case
 we're good with a 100MB cable limitation.  Whenever their DS3 agreement
 expires we'll propose a 100MB+ circuit and likely remove the DragonWave
gear
 for new Trango gear.

 It appears the Air-Pair radios will auto adjust for IF cable losses.  I'm
 considering running 100-150' of LMR400 between the outdoor IDU and ODU on
 our side to eliminate us needing to source a second proprietary cable.
Does
 anyone that has deployed DragonWave Air-Pair radios see that as a problem?

 Thanks!


 Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:38 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
feedback...

 Brad,

 I had one thought last night I hadn't considered before.

 My unit is a 100Mbps unit, so Cat5e POE was workable. At 200Mbps, you'll 
 need GigE I assume.  This will require all 4 pairs for data.  You'd need 
 more cable for power.  At worst you'll need two separate cables, but 
 it's still workable.

 Randy


 On 2/18/2010 11:25 AM, Brad Belton wrote:
   
 Before I decide on trying Randy's idea, is there anyone that happens to
 
 have
   
 a DragonWave Air-Pair outdoor cable they're willing to part with?

 It looks like Tessco and Hutton are special order only.  If anyone has a
 cable they are willing to sell let me know.  I think we've got one cable
 that is long enough for one side, but I need another cable for the other
 side.

 Thanks!



 Brad Belton
 BelWave Communications
 O:  817-737-3124 #101
 F:  817-336-7031




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
 
 feedback...
   
 We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another
 used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs.   I would
 think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem.

 Randy


 On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 
 Hello Randy,

 Ha!  Very interesting.  How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each
  
   
 side

 
 of the link?  At what power level do you have the radios set to?

 Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way
 inside to the outdoor designed IDU.  This would limit the length of the
 proprietary cables to a minimum.  The question I have if we do this is:
 Will the outdoor IDU be able to power   operate the ODU over the
   
 50'-200'
   
  
   
 of

 
 LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to
do?

 Thanks for the feedback!

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
  
   
 feedback...

 
 Since your unit is out of warranty anyway...

 If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port
 inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug.
 We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system
 - http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf
 and peeled the power off that.  We were then able to push power +
 ethernet up on one cable.



 On 2/16/2010 6:31 AM, Brad Belton wrote:

  
   
 Hello Kristian,

 Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too


 
 small

  
   
 for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable.  It's a shame the product engineers


 
 some

  
   
 manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of


 
 basic

Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

2010-02-18 Thread Brad Belton
Just FYI...DragonWave Support has contacted me and is already on the case.
They promise an answer shortly.  Certainly acceptable response time.  Kudos
to DragonWave!

Brad




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:15 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

Thanks for the feedback Bob.  I just emailed DragonWave Support as well.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

I would think no BUT

Keep in mind that they are expecting the cable length to be short with 
an outdoor modem unit.  The gain may be set real low and when you 
finally go ahead and put 150 LMR400 in and increase the attenuation you 
may not work.  Call tech support to find out for sure.  It won't cost 
you anything and they will know for sure.  Or send them an e-mail:  
supp...@dragonwaveinc.com

Good Luck

-B-




Brad Belton wrote:
 Correct.  I've been reading over the manuals Tom was good enough to send
me.
 Thanks again Tom!

 These particular radios are only 50MB and the application is for a client
 looking for an alternate path from their existing 45MB DS3.  In this case
 we're good with a 100MB cable limitation.  Whenever their DS3 agreement
 expires we'll propose a 100MB+ circuit and likely remove the DragonWave
gear
 for new Trango gear.

 It appears the Air-Pair radios will auto adjust for IF cable losses.  I'm
 considering running 100-150' of LMR400 between the outdoor IDU and ODU on
 our side to eliminate us needing to source a second proprietary cable.
Does
 anyone that has deployed DragonWave Air-Pair radios see that as a problem?

 Thanks!


 Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:38 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
feedback...

 Brad,

 I had one thought last night I hadn't considered before.

 My unit is a 100Mbps unit, so Cat5e POE was workable. At 200Mbps, you'll 
 need GigE I assume.  This will require all 4 pairs for data.  You'd need 
 more cable for power.  At worst you'll need two separate cables, but 
 it's still workable.

 Randy


 On 2/18/2010 11:25 AM, Brad Belton wrote:
   
 Before I decide on trying Randy's idea, is there anyone that happens to
 
 have
   
 a DragonWave Air-Pair outdoor cable they're willing to part with?

 It looks like Tessco and Hutton are special order only.  If anyone has a
 cable they are willing to sell let me know.  I think we've got one cable
 that is long enough for one side, but I need another cable for the other
 side.

 Thanks!



 Brad Belton
 BelWave Communications
 O:  817-737-3124 #101
 F:  817-336-7031




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
 
 feedback...
   
 We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another
 used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs.   I would
 think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem.

 Randy


 On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 
 Hello Randy,

 Ha!  Very interesting.  How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each
  
   
 side

 
 of the link?  At what power level do you have the radios set to?

 Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way
 inside to the outdoor designed IDU.  This would limit the length of the
 proprietary cables to a minimum.  The question I have if we do this is:
 Will the outdoor IDU be able to power   operate the ODU over the
   
 50'-200'
   
  
   
 of

 
 LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to
do?

 Thanks for the feedback!

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
  
   
 feedback...

 
 Since your unit is out of warranty anyway...

 If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port
 inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug.
 We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system
 - http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf
 and peeled the power off that.  We were then able to push power +
 ethernet up

Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

2010-02-18 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Bob,

DragonWave Support was very prompt and helpful.  They confirmed the outdoor
IDU is capable of the same IF cable lengths as the indoor IDU.  However,
both IDU style distances are ultimately limited by the firmware they are
running.  In my case about 202'.  Just FYI if anyone else ever runs into
this issue.

Thanks,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:51 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

Just FYI...DragonWave Support has contacted me and is already on the case.
They promise an answer shortly.  Certainly acceptable response time.  Kudos
to DragonWave!

Brad




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:15 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

Thanks for the feedback Bob.  I just emailed DragonWave Support as well.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

I would think no BUT

Keep in mind that they are expecting the cable length to be short with 
an outdoor modem unit.  The gain may be set real low and when you 
finally go ahead and put 150 LMR400 in and increase the attenuation you 
may not work.  Call tech support to find out for sure.  It won't cost 
you anything and they will know for sure.  Or send them an e-mail:  
supp...@dragonwaveinc.com

Good Luck

-B-




Brad Belton wrote:
 Correct.  I've been reading over the manuals Tom was good enough to send
me.
 Thanks again Tom!

 These particular radios are only 50MB and the application is for a client
 looking for an alternate path from their existing 45MB DS3.  In this case
 we're good with a 100MB cable limitation.  Whenever their DS3 agreement
 expires we'll propose a 100MB+ circuit and likely remove the DragonWave
gear
 for new Trango gear.

 It appears the Air-Pair radios will auto adjust for IF cable losses.  I'm
 considering running 100-150' of LMR400 between the outdoor IDU and ODU on
 our side to eliminate us needing to source a second proprietary cable.
Does
 anyone that has deployed DragonWave Air-Pair radios see that as a problem?

 Thanks!


 Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:38 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
feedback...

 Brad,

 I had one thought last night I hadn't considered before.

 My unit is a 100Mbps unit, so Cat5e POE was workable. At 200Mbps, you'll 
 need GigE I assume.  This will require all 4 pairs for data.  You'd need 
 more cable for power.  At worst you'll need two separate cables, but 
 it's still workable.

 Randy


 On 2/18/2010 11:25 AM, Brad Belton wrote:
   
 Before I decide on trying Randy's idea, is there anyone that happens to
 
 have
   
 a DragonWave Air-Pair outdoor cable they're willing to part with?

 It looks like Tessco and Hutton are special order only.  If anyone has a
 cable they are willing to sell let me know.  I think we've got one cable
 that is long enough for one side, but I need another cable for the other
 side.

 Thanks!



 Brad Belton
 BelWave Communications
 O:  817-737-3124 #101
 F:  817-336-7031




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
 
 feedback...
   
 We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another
 used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs.   I would
 think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem.

 Randy


 On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 
 Hello Randy,

 Ha!  Very interesting.  How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each
  
   
 side

 
 of the link?  At what power level do you have the radios set to?

 Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way
 inside to the outdoor designed IDU.  This would limit the length of the
 proprietary cables to a minimum.  The question I have if we do this is:
 Will the outdoor IDU be able to power   operate the ODU over the
   
 50'-200'
   
  
   
 of

 
 LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to
do?

 Thanks for the feedback!

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

2010-02-16 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Kristian,

Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too small
for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable.  It's a shame the product engineers some
manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of basic
field requirements.

The inherited DragonWave AirPair radios that we're contemplating using on a
job have the proprietary round DIN style plug attached to a custom
DragonWave bundled cable.  It looks like Hutton and Tessco have these custom
cables in a variety of lengths, but what a pain in the tail!

Thanks for the information.  I've got some more reading to do before we
decide on deploying these radios or just to punt them on EBay.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 12:32 -0600, Brad Belton wrote:
 Hello,
 
 We've inherited a DragonWave Air-Pair radio set and I'm looking for any
 feedback from those that have deployed these.  The good, bad and ugly.

We have a few Horizon Compact links.  They've done very well except for
when we get weird high/low pressure systems that result in a layer of
fog in our valley that sits at about ~150ft.  The DW engineer called the
effect ducting.  We enabled AAM in an attempt to counter the affects,
but the AAM code was apparently buggy in the version we had.  So instead
of stabilizing the link, it made it much, much worse.  So make sure you
get the latest firmware if you can.

 We'll probably need new cable sets for each end as well, so to any
 DragonWave vendors on the list please feel free to send me an email with
 prices on cable length options.

The Horizon Compact units have unfriendly ethernet connectors as well.
Something along the lines of this...

http://www.connecticc.com/default.aspx?page=item%
20detailitemcode=JTRJ45-12NXL

 I sure hope their new Horizon radios don't require these BS proprietary
 cables like the Air-Pair radios.  What a pain in the tail...



-Kristian






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Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

2010-02-16 Thread Randy Cosby
Since your unit is out of warranty anyway...

If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port 
inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug.  
We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system 
- http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf  
and peeled the power off that.  We were then able to push power + 
ethernet up on one cable.



On 2/16/2010 6:31 AM, Brad Belton wrote:
 Hello Kristian,

 Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too small
 for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable.  It's a shame the product engineers some
 manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of basic
 field requirements.

 The inherited DragonWave AirPair radios that we're contemplating using on a
 job have the proprietary round DIN style plug attached to a custom
 DragonWave bundled cable.  It looks like Hutton and Tessco have these custom
 cables in a variety of lengths, but what a pain in the tail!

 Thanks for the information.  I've got some more reading to do before we
 decide on deploying these radios or just to punt them on EBay.

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

 On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 12:32 -0600, Brad Belton wrote:

 Hello,

 We've inherited a DragonWave Air-Pair radio set and I'm looking for any
 feedback from those that have deployed these.  The good, bad and ugly.
  
 We have a few Horizon Compact links.  They've done very well except for
 when we get weird high/low pressure systems that result in a layer of
 fog in our valley that sits at about ~150ft.  The DW engineer called the
 effect ducting.  We enabled AAM in an attempt to counter the affects,
 but the AAM code was apparently buggy in the version we had.  So instead
 of stabilizing the link, it made it much, much worse.  So make sure you
 get the latest firmware if you can.


 We'll probably need new cable sets for each end as well, so to any
 DragonWave vendors on the list please feel free to send me an email with
 prices on cable length options.
  
 The Horizon Compact units have unfriendly ethernet connectors as well.
 Something along the lines of this...

 http://www.connecticc.com/default.aspx?page=item%
 20detailitemcode=JTRJ45-12NXL


 I sure hope their new Horizon radios don't require these BS proprietary
 cables like the Air-Pair radios.  What a pain in the tail...
  


 -Kristian




 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

2010-02-16 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Randy,

Ha!  Very interesting.  How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each side
of the link?  At what power level do you have the radios set to?

Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way
inside to the outdoor designed IDU.  This would limit the length of the
proprietary cables to a minimum.  The question I have if we do this is:
Will the outdoor IDU be able to power  operate the ODU over the 50'-200' of
LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to do?

Thanks for the feedback!

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

Since your unit is out of warranty anyway...

If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port 
inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug.  
We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system 
- http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf  
and peeled the power off that.  We were then able to push power + 
ethernet up on one cable.



On 2/16/2010 6:31 AM, Brad Belton wrote:
 Hello Kristian,

 Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too
small
 for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable.  It's a shame the product engineers
some
 manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of
basic
 field requirements.

 The inherited DragonWave AirPair radios that we're contemplating using on
a
 job have the proprietary round DIN style plug attached to a custom
 DragonWave bundled cable.  It looks like Hutton and Tessco have these
custom
 cables in a variety of lengths, but what a pain in the tail!

 Thanks for the information.  I've got some more reading to do before we
 decide on deploying these radios or just to punt them on EBay.

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
feedback...

 On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 12:32 -0600, Brad Belton wrote:

 Hello,

 We've inherited a DragonWave Air-Pair radio set and I'm looking for any
 feedback from those that have deployed these.  The good, bad and ugly.
  
 We have a few Horizon Compact links.  They've done very well except for
 when we get weird high/low pressure systems that result in a layer of
 fog in our valley that sits at about ~150ft.  The DW engineer called the
 effect ducting.  We enabled AAM in an attempt to counter the affects,
 but the AAM code was apparently buggy in the version we had.  So instead
 of stabilizing the link, it made it much, much worse.  So make sure you
 get the latest firmware if you can.


 We'll probably need new cable sets for each end as well, so to any
 DragonWave vendors on the list please feel free to send me an email with
 prices on cable length options.
  
 The Horizon Compact units have unfriendly ethernet connectors as well.
 Something along the lines of this...

 http://www.connecticc.com/default.aspx?page=item%
 20detailitemcode=JTRJ45-12NXL


 I sure hope their new Horizon radios don't require these BS proprietary
 cables like the Air-Pair radios.  What a pain in the tail...
  


 -Kristian






 
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

2010-02-16 Thread Randy Cosby
We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another 
used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs.   I would 
think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem.

Randy


On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
 Hello Randy,

 Ha!  Very interesting.  How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each side
 of the link?  At what power level do you have the radios set to?

 Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way
 inside to the outdoor designed IDU.  This would limit the length of the
 proprietary cables to a minimum.  The question I have if we do this is:
 Will the outdoor IDU be able to power  operate the ODU over the 50'-200' of
 LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to do?

 Thanks for the feedback!

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

 Since your unit is out of warranty anyway...

 If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port
 inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug.
 We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system
 - http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf
 and peeled the power off that.  We were then able to push power +
 ethernet up on one cable.



 On 2/16/2010 6:31 AM, Brad Belton wrote:

 Hello Kristian,

 Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too
  
 small

 for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable.  It's a shame the product engineers
  
 some

 manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of
  
 basic

 field requirements.

 The inherited DragonWave AirPair radios that we're contemplating using on
  
 a

 job have the proprietary round DIN style plug attached to a custom
 DragonWave bundled cable.  It looks like Hutton and Tessco have these
  
 custom

 cables in a variety of lengths, but what a pain in the tail!

 Thanks for the information.  I've got some more reading to do before we
 decide on deploying these radios or just to punt them on EBay.

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
  
 feedback...

 On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 12:32 -0600, Brad Belton wrote:

  
 Hello,

 We've inherited a DragonWave Air-Pair radio set and I'm looking for any
 feedback from those that have deployed these.  The good, bad and ugly.


 We have a few Horizon Compact links.  They've done very well except for
 when we get weird high/low pressure systems that result in a layer of
 fog in our valley that sits at about ~150ft.  The DW engineer called the
 effect ducting.  We enabled AAM in an attempt to counter the affects,
 but the AAM code was apparently buggy in the version we had.  So instead
 of stabilizing the link, it made it much, much worse.  So make sure you
 get the latest firmware if you can.


  
 We'll probably need new cable sets for each end as well, so to any
 DragonWave vendors on the list please feel free to send me an email with
 prices on cable length options.


 The Horizon Compact units have unfriendly ethernet connectors as well.
 Something along the lines of this...

 http://www.connecticc.com/default.aspx?page=item%
 20detailitemcode=JTRJ45-12NXL


  
 I sure hope their new Horizon radios don't require these BS proprietary
 cables like the Air-Pair radios.  What a pain in the tail...



 -Kristian





  
 

 
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[WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

2010-02-15 Thread Brad Belton
Hello,

We've inherited a DragonWave Air-Pair radio set and I'm looking for any
feedback from those that have deployed these.  The good, bad and ugly.

We'll probably need new cable sets for each end as well, so to any
DragonWave vendors on the list please feel free to send me an email with
prices on cable length options.

I sure hope their new Horizon radios don't require these BS proprietary
cables like the Air-Pair radios.  What a pain in the tail...

Thanks!


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Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

2010-02-15 Thread Kristian Hoffmann
On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 12:32 -0600, Brad Belton wrote:
 Hello,
 
 We've inherited a DragonWave Air-Pair radio set and I'm looking for any
 feedback from those that have deployed these.  The good, bad and ugly.

We have a few Horizon Compact links.  They've done very well except for
when we get weird high/low pressure systems that result in a layer of
fog in our valley that sits at about ~150ft.  The DW engineer called the
effect ducting.  We enabled AAM in an attempt to counter the affects,
but the AAM code was apparently buggy in the version we had.  So instead
of stabilizing the link, it made it much, much worse.  So make sure you
get the latest firmware if you can.

 We'll probably need new cable sets for each end as well, so to any
 DragonWave vendors on the list please feel free to send me an email with
 prices on cable length options.

The Horizon Compact units have unfriendly ethernet connectors as well.
Something along the lines of this...

http://www.connecticc.com/default.aspx?page=item%
20detailitemcode=JTRJ45-12NXL

 I sure hope their new Horizon radios don't require these BS proprietary
 cables like the Air-Pair radios.  What a pain in the tail...



-Kristian





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