K,

I can't agree with you more. The problem is we don't have real world examples with 700 Mhz spectrum or with Public Safety. The reason is we have not been awarded the tsk to provide it, and therefore can only offer our concepts in theory. Thats the big disadvantage we'd have compared to say a Motorola type company. What our industry has done is document very clearly, how much progress an industry can make, without protections, limited rules, and little cash and resources. My goal is that because their is So little spectrum available, I thinks its extremely wasteful for that PRIME spectrum to be allocated to a purpose that likely would sit unused the majority of the time, when not in crisis. The Spectrum is better used as a dual purpose, the majority of the time on a secondary basis to the public sector for broadband, and during crisis on a primary basis to public safety. The only way for this type of goal to work is if the Governament has faith in, and partners with companies that offer services to the public sector, such as the MANY WISPS nationwwide. Collectively us WISPs, are an army of talent for the country, if the FCC and congress will open their eyes to allow it. To let common sense, win over the lobby dollars. I don't know the best way to document our case, or to substantiate it with credability that can be effective to chance policy. That, I better defer to you.

Part of the problem is that somebody has to fund the research. Thats usually the place the WISP industry gets shut down in making progress. It reinforces the view that the big money guys, can afford to buy/influence the vote, by affording more research and analisys to creating more believeable evidence, whether accurate or not.

We don't need large amounts of cash to build our networks. Its a cash flow model thats paid for by our subscribers. I would argue that the governement would save billions, by leveraging the infrastructure that independant WISPs already have deployed or woulddeploy if spectrum was allocated to them. Maybe its all talk, as I do not have documentation to back up my rant.

A perfect example of waste is a study/project that the governemt gave MIT in the DC area. They built a huge multi-city network for this project, taking up valuable unlicensed resources. What Ironic was that the network was built in parallel to mine, when I already had one sitting in place that could serve 90% of their targeted locations with sufficient bandwdith. I could have saved them/the government Hundreds of Thousands of dollars, if they would have just leveraged my assets (90% which were unused) instead of duplicating them. But it wasn't about what was needed or what was best use of spectrum in a community, it was an issue of control, and how much money some could make and who could get paid for making sales. In summary, it was about money, not serving the public's best interests. So being associated with a university doesn't necessarilly get around the bias of financial influence. I see something similar that will happen with the 700Mhz bands. Martin (FCC) will cry for needing the spectrum, and then its use will really end up about who can milk the most money out of the governement in contracts for providing the gear or deploying it, for an organization that will rarely/barely use its capacity. Efficient use of the spectrum never becomes a factor. The only way to solve this problem, is to unleash the spectrum to the masses, and turn it into a precious commodity for all to use, and protect, and equally have the right to fight to use as a free resource to the public, and providers to the public.

Just my 2 cents.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


----- Original Message ----- From: "k claffy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Martin's call for more radio frequency spectrumforemergency responders



[not reading this list regularly, but tom hit a nerve]:

tom et al

caida (www.caida.org) is an internet data analysis/research organization
whose mission includes informing public policy, aimed toward improving
policy 'toward congruence' with our best empirical (scientifically grounded)
understanding of the relevant technological issues/constraints/parameters.

i am no expert on spectrum policy, but afaict the difference between
having huge effect and having no effect is sufficiently formalized
reporting/analysis of Real World Operational Experiences (this means
you), written in way that will convey to scientists (this means me), as
well as to the public, what happens when technology gets deployed in
reality.  one underutilized option is collaborating with university
researchers to quantitatively document (1) potential deliverables under
various regulatory scenaraios (2) successes and failures under existing
regulatory scenarios.

caida Really wants to help support forward motion here, but we are
desperately lacking hard data.  emergency situations are obviously not
the time to talk about research, but i want to make it clear that if you
still don't have what you want by the time this emergency is over, please
don't underestimate the value of hard data and careful articulation
of the experiences you have had, so that scientists can come in and help
compile them into comprehensive and unassailable demonstrations to their
funding agencies of why change is essential.

i believe the right kind of analyses/reporting could reduce the
length of this fight from 10 years to 2.  (ok, maybe 20 to 4...)

but the research community and the deployment communities are going
to have to [find time and resources] to work together. we've never
needed eachother more.

k


On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 10:18:55PM -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote:
 "Auction", I hate that evil word.

 Really guys, if there is any time to hammer congressional legislators and
 Home land security personelle, NOW is the time.  Before our precious
 spectrum is auctioned off to the special interets.  Auctioning off 700Mhz
 to a major IELC could be the death of independent rural WISPs.

I got an idea, why don't they give the FULL 700Mhz to the 700 ISPs, spread
 out decentrally across the country, and in trade all 7000 WISPs will give
 FREE access / priority access to public safety officials as needed.
 (except public safety buy's their own CPEs).  Instantly the staff of 7000
ISPs across the country available for disaster relief. it would be like the
 Navy reserves but instead the WISP reserves.

 Basically anyone that is granted a non-exclusive license of 700Mhz must
first register as a volunteer emergency communications AID, and conform to
 guidelines for documenting configuration criteria for the public safety
 workers.  Why not AVOID the whole expendature althogeather for the
 governement, and still accomplish public safety, when WISP can already
 donate the service?  Better yet, why not jsut grant the public safety
 budget to WISPs to expand their network, to accommodate public safety
needs. Lets see the RUS grant get substituted with the Public safety grant.

But auction? I don't see how that could benefit anyone. Communications is
 a necessary utility, not a luxury to auction off for a special interest.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


----- Original Message ----- From: "George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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 Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:06 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Martin's call for more radio frequency spectrum
 foremergency responders


 >Snip/
 >Martin's call for more radio frequency spectrum for emergency responders
 >came after Senators John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Conrad Burns (R-Mont.)
 >called for Congress to move forward on legislation that would free up
 >radio spectrum by requiring television stations to switch from analog to
 >digital broadcasts. A move to digital television (DTV) would free up
 >spectrum in the upper 700-MHz radio frequency band for commercial and
>public safety uses. The FCC has said it would give 24 MHz of that spectrum
 >to public safety users and auction off 60 MHz for commercial uses. /snip
 >

 
>http://www.networkworld.com/edge/news/2005/092205-fcc-katrina.html?nl&code=nledgenewsalert7636
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >I got an idea, why don't they just open it up to wisps all across the
>country, let us use ths spectrum for what we are now doing and then in the
 >event of another disaster, there will already be gear in place to keep
 >everyone going?
 >
 >George
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