Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-04-05 Thread Dylan Oliver
John, It's now April 5th. How are you faring with the Cisco mesh gear? On 3/1/06, John J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Cisco radios can do 4.9-5.8 GHz. I am assuming that 5.3-5.7 will be available in a update, since 4.9 is available now. Cisco apparently only has 6-8 deployments so

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-28 Thread John J. Thomas
to post info shortly thereafter. John -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 04:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment It uses a 5.7-8 GHz radio for backhaul and 2.4 GHz for access. Thats the first mistake

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-27 Thread Tom DeReggi
yet. Just my 2 cents. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Tom

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-27 Thread Tom DeReggi
Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment We are still waiting to deply Cisco mesh, so I can't

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-27 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
- Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Tom, what if you could take the Cell/Sector system and add some routing that determined when a path had

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-27 Thread Jeromie Reeves
- From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Tom, what if you could take the Cell/Sector system and add some routing that determined when a path had stopped and chose another one

RE: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-26 Thread Brad Larson
- From: John J. Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Yes, unfortunately, the Cisco mesh is only using 5.8 for backhaul right now. Since they recommend 16-18 mesh boxes per square mile, 5.25 GHz and up

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-26 Thread Matt Liotta
J. Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Yes, unfortunately, the Cisco mesh is only using 5.8 for backhaul right now. Since they recommend 16-18 mesh boxes per square mile, 5.25 GHz and up would

RE: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-25 Thread Brad Larson
Or how about automatic sector failover that puts no traffic on the network when things are working correctly. Brad -Original Message- From: Lonnie Nunweiler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-25 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
- From: Lonnie Nunweiler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Tom, what if you could take the Cell/Sector system and add some routing that determined when a path had stopped and chose another one

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-25 Thread John J. Thomas
To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com, ''WISPA General List'' Subject: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Does anyone have a good recommendation on some Mesh equipment. I have a small town that wants to provide Internet access to the entire town and I'm thinking of using mesh technology. Any ideas would be great

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-25 Thread John J. Thomas
08:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Tom, You make a very good point that 5.3 GHz should be used wherever possible while reserving 5.8 for longer-distance backhauling and supercell use. We should all be thinking in terms of using 5.3 whenever we can and reserving

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-24 Thread Tom DeReggi
the technology. Just my 2 cents. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Tom DeReggi

RE: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-24 Thread Brian Webster
Quoting Tom: What often happens, is technical people make these beautiful products from a technical point of view, but they are worthless because they don't solve the problems that need to be solved for its applications, which were the reasons for originally developing the technology.

RE: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-24 Thread Brad Larson
be construed as broadband for the masses in any major metro area. Brad -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Matt, I think you are misinterpretting my comments. Don't

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-24 Thread Linda Pond
www.customerconnects.com 613-253-0240 (w) 613-291-2884 (c) BLOG: http://lindaleepond.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 2:56 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Quoting Tom

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-24 Thread Rich Comroe
appearing on the [Motorola] list. Rich - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 1:56 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Quoting Tom: What often happens, is technical people make

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-24 Thread Matt Liotta
Tom DeReggi wrote: No I am not. I am asking you to tell me what you know, so I don't have to waste time replicating your research. Thats the purpose of this list, to exchange knowledge and data. Not just making claims, but disclosing why. I recall in an earlier email you making claims

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-24 Thread Tom DeReggi
- Original Message - From: Brad Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Tom, IMHO mesh is great for lighting up downtown and city parks etc. but it has yet to prove itself

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-24 Thread Tom DeReggi
Matt, I'm not competing; just waiting for the intelligent debate to begin. I don't mind being challenged, I don't mind being out thought, and I don't mind being beat. I sometimes even purposely hypothetically support the minority side, to spark intelligent debate on the other side. But I do

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-24 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Tom, IMHO mesh is great for lighting up downtown and city parks etc. but it has yet to prove itself in a large deployment with 1,000's of customers or 1,000's of nodes deployed. I too have

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-23 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
; 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Does anyone have a good recommendation on some Mesh equipment. I have a small town that wants to provide Internet access to the entire town and I'm thinking of using mesh

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-23 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
Subject: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Does anyone have a good recommendation on some Mesh equipment. I have a small town that wants to provide Internet access to the entire town and I'm thinking of using mesh technology. Any ideas would be great. Thanks, Steve

RE: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-23 Thread chris cooper
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment I guess you'll have to learn more about Mesh because if you did you would not say that a dedicated backhaul and microcell

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-23 Thread Mario Pommier
: ISPlists To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com ; 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Does anyone have a good recommendation on some Mesh equipment. I have a small town that wants to provide Internet access to the entire town and I'm thinking

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-23 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
. chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment I guess you'll have to learn more about Mesh because if you did you would

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-23 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Does anyone have a good recommendation on some Mesh equipment. I have a small town that wants to provide Internet access to the entire town and I'm thinking of using mesh technology. Any ideas would be great. Thanks, Steve

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment I guess you'll have to learn more about Mesh because if you did you would not say that a dedicated backhaul and microcell approach gives the same functionality. Sure a dedicated backhaul and microcell are fine

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-23 Thread Matt Liotta
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: First off, don't. Mesh is all the rage today. Just like hotspots were a couple of years ago. Mesh and muni are often rolled out in the same sentence. Show me ONE that's working correctly past the 6 to 12 month stage.. Come down and visit

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-23 Thread Matt Liotta
Tom DeReggi wrote: No the problem with Mesh is it adds many hops to the path, therefore adding significant latency, and inability to control QOS, or identify where the QOS lies. Self interference is impossible to avoid without killing every other in town at the same time. Mesh doesn't have

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-23 Thread Mario Pommier
) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: ISPlists To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com ; 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Does

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-23 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment I guess you'll have to learn more about Mesh because

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-23 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: ISPlists To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com ; 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Does anyone have a good recommendation on some Mesh equipment. I

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
MAtt, The Super cell gives the ISP better central control and simplicity. I don't believe an argument has been made to back up your above statement. Trie I did not offer any backup data. But use your immagination. Its all in one place, easy to check, easy to document, easy to configure,

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Tom DeReggi wrote: No the problem with Mesh is it adds many hops to the path, therefore adding significant latency, and inability to control QOS, or identify where the QOS lies. Self interference is impossible to avoid without killing every other

[WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-22 Thread ISPlists
Does anyone have a good recommendation on some Mesh equipment. I have a small town that wants to provide Internet access to the entire town and I'm thinking of using mesh technology. Any ideas would be great. Thanks, Steve -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-22 Thread George
ISPlists wrote: Does anyone have a good recommendation on some Mesh equipment. I have a small town that wants to provide Internet access to the entire town and I'm thinking of using mesh technology. Any ideas would be great. Thanks, Steve Lonnie just released a beta mesh upgrade for

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-22 Thread Jack Unger
Unless you expect to handle only very low levels of traffic, avoid mesh nodes with only one radio. Choose nodes that have one radio on 2.4 GHz for customer connections and one radio on 5.8 GHz for backhauling. In other words, separate the access traffic from the backhaul traffic. Your overall

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-22 Thread George
Hi Jack, This is the way Lonnie described his version of mesh a few months back. George Jack Unger wrote: Unless you expect to handle only very low levels of traffic, avoid mesh nodes with only one radio. Choose nodes that have one radio on 2.4 GHz for customer connections and one radio on

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-22 Thread Jack Unger
George, I haven't seen his description but I'm glad to hear he's on the right track. Do you recall a link to his information? Thanks, jack George wrote: Hi Jack, This is the way Lonnie described his version of mesh a few months back. George Jack Unger wrote: Unless you expect

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-22 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
This is from a post I made in the Summer. It runs very nicely on out 4 radio WAR boards. Pretty sweet actually. Lonnie * I think you are basing your dislike on standard AdHoc mesh. Remember I too have come out and said it is not worth our time. We have

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Unless you expect to handle only very low levels of traffic, avoid mesh nodes with only one radio. Choose nodes that have one radio on 2.4 GHz for customer connections and one radio on 5.8 GHz for backhauling

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-22 Thread Jack Unger
- From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Unless you expect to handle only very low levels of traffic, avoid mesh nodes with only one radio. Choose nodes that have one radio

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-22 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
options. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Unless you expect