Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VRRP

2008-02-22 Thread Henry F. Camacho Jr.
Sam

I believe the problem you are having here related to the fact that the 
VRRP aren't synchronized on both sides of your routers. 

For example:

MT1 world fails to MT2, however MT1 still has a valid VRRP for the AP side.

Down stream traffic from world actually now is hitting MT2 and proceeds 
to AP, however the upstream path for AP to the world actually passes 
through MT1 which has the failed link.
Unless there is a process to synchronize the VRRPs you will not be able 
to get the desired effect.

Ideally when MT1 fails, MT2 must become master for all VRRPs.

HFC

Sam Tetherow wrote:
 I've been testing out VRRP and it seems to work pretty well if you want 
 to fail over from one machine to another on a single interface.  But 
 what I would really like to be able to do is duplicate my MT routers 
 against equipment failure rather than network failure.

 Example:

 CPE  AP ---+--MT1- + - WORLD
   |  |
   +--MT2 - +

 MT1 and MT2 are both routing between AP and the world.
 AP is 172.16.2.0/24
 WORLD is 10.0.0.0/24
 MT1 has
 Internal (AP) address of 172.16.2.1
 External (WORLD) address of 10.0.0.1
 vrrp1 (AP) address of 172.16.2.254
 vrrp2 (WORLD) address of 10.0.0.254

 MT2 has:
 Internal (AP) address of 172.16.2.2
 External (WORLD) address of 10.0.0.2
 vrrp1 (AP) address of 172.16.2.254
 vrrp2 (WORLD) address of 10.0.0.254

 172.16.2.0/24 is routed to 10.0.0.254
 172.16.2.0 side has a default gateway of 172.16.2.254

 When the AP side of MT1 is unplugged  MT2 takes over and only a couple 
 of pings are dropped.  However if the WORLD side of MT1 is unplugged 
 about 4 pings time out and then I start getting destination unreachable.

 The VRRP failover works on both sides.  If the WORLD side of MT1 is 
 unplugged I can ping 10.0.0.254 and get a response from MT2.  But on the 
 internal end of things MT1 is still 172.16.2.254 so I get the host 
 unreachable message.

 So what I'm really looking for is high availability for the router and I 
 was hoping that VRRP would do the trick.  I thought about bridging but 
 at NOC I have several networks that all connect to my main MT router and 
 I really don't want to bridge the traffic.

 If anyone has a clue, or can definitively say it can't be done with VRRP 
 I would greatly appreciate the help.

   

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VRRP

2008-02-22 Thread Sam Tetherow
You are correct in your analysis.  I have testing with a single 
interface using /tool netwatch to disable/enable the vrrp interfaces.

I'm still thinking through the implications.  In my scenario I have a 
single provider so it makes sense to tie netwatch the upstream IP.  If 
it goes away on the primary router I'll shut down all of the vrrp 
interfaces in hopes that the secondary can still see it.  I'm still 
trying to figure out if there are any gotchas on doing the same thing 
for the non-upstream interfaces.  For instance if I lose a switch port 
or network card on the MT.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless



Henry F. Camacho Jr. wrote:
 Sam

 I believe the problem you are having here related to the fact that the 
 VRRP aren't synchronized on both sides of your routers. 

 For example:

 MT1 world fails to MT2, however MT1 still has a valid VRRP for the AP side.

 Down stream traffic from world actually now is hitting MT2 and proceeds 
 to AP, however the upstream path for AP to the world actually passes 
 through MT1 which has the failed link.
 Unless there is a process to synchronize the VRRPs you will not be able 
 to get the desired effect.

 Ideally when MT1 fails, MT2 must become master for all VRRPs.

 HFC

 Sam Tetherow wrote:
   
 I've been testing out VRRP and it seems to work pretty well if you want 
 to fail over from one machine to another on a single interface.  But 
 what I would really like to be able to do is duplicate my MT routers 
 against equipment failure rather than network failure.

 Example:

 CPE  AP ---+--MT1- + - WORLD
   |  |
   +--MT2 - +

 MT1 and MT2 are both routing between AP and the world.
 AP is 172.16.2.0/24
 WORLD is 10.0.0.0/24
 MT1 has
 Internal (AP) address of 172.16.2.1
 External (WORLD) address of 10.0.0.1
 vrrp1 (AP) address of 172.16.2.254
 vrrp2 (WORLD) address of 10.0.0.254

 MT2 has:
 Internal (AP) address of 172.16.2.2
 External (WORLD) address of 10.0.0.2
 vrrp1 (AP) address of 172.16.2.254
 vrrp2 (WORLD) address of 10.0.0.254

 172.16.2.0/24 is routed to 10.0.0.254
 172.16.2.0 side has a default gateway of 172.16.2.254

 When the AP side of MT1 is unplugged  MT2 takes over and only a couple 
 of pings are dropped.  However if the WORLD side of MT1 is unplugged 
 about 4 pings time out and then I start getting destination unreachable.

 The VRRP failover works on both sides.  If the WORLD side of MT1 is 
 unplugged I can ping 10.0.0.254 and get a response from MT2.  But on the 
 internal end of things MT1 is still 172.16.2.254 so I get the host 
 unreachable message.

 So what I'm really looking for is high availability for the router and I 
 was hoping that VRRP would do the trick.  I thought about bridging but 
 at NOC I have several networks that all connect to my main MT router and 
 I really don't want to bridge the traffic.

 If anyone has a clue, or can definitively say it can't be done with VRRP 
 I would greatly appreciate the help.

   
 

   



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