RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE
Matt, Is it possible to get a complete address list from them or maybe a lat long list. If you have this from any others such as WilTel then I can start combining this information on to one map. The end result of this will be a web based map application where you can see what is available all in one spot. This map will allow you to zoom and pan any way you need to. It seems like we have some good interest in this idea if we can just start pulling together some real data. These maps like the XO one are good but they don't give me the data I need to create the comprehensive map. If anyone else had similar type data where they are able to get cheap bandwidth share the information. Even if it is just one site you know of it will help populate the map, eventually we can get a nice big picture of the whole country. Once that is known you can start figuring out if it will be possible to serve your networks with wireless backhaul. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE Find the closest POP to you on their map and let me know. I can get the address from XO, so you can do a path analysis and determine if you can do wireless to their roof. Their buildings are generally only 2 stories. -Matt Jory Privett wrote: I have seen the map. My question is exactly where are they and how do I gain access to them? Copper and Fiber are out of the question for me because of ILEC pricing so I would have to have some type of wireless link. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE XO's map is available at their web site. -Matt Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Is there a list so we can all see the locations? Are you able to get principal members of WISPA any deals? Brian Jory Privett wrote: I would be interested in finding out if one of there switches is in my area. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE We have a national wholesale agreement with XO, which among other things can get us very low cost colo and roof rights at their switches. -Matt Anthony Will wrote: In central MN here also. I would be very interested in a project such as this. This is the ONLY way we will truly survive. I am currently working on a way to get into the Metro area to gain access to cheap pipes. Hopefully we will end up in XO's or calpops CO. See how easy it is to get something like this started. I know that I am south of Mike. I also know that two other WISPs are south of me all the way to Iowa. Now if we can get those guys on board anyone in Iowa or Illanios is likely close enough to make this real. NOW from Illanios it really opens up. I am an old friend to an operation on the west side of Chicago connected to Equinix, one of the largest carriers hotels in the nation. Now with all the wisps together we could easily afford an OCx and get some real pricing. And with everyone sharing in the expense we could make this licensed equipment for a rock solid backbone for all of our networks. Anthony Will Ruralnet Inc. www.veryfastinternet.com (please excuse the cheesy site. We are in process of completely reworking a new site.) Mike Bushard Jr wrote: I'm in, Central MN Mike Bushard Jr Reliable Internet Services 1st Rate Computers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE Hi Brian, Well we led a session that started a dialog on this topic. It got quite loud at times. The end result was I am willing to donate time to map out in one location all of the data people send me with locations of POP's, fiber hotels and other inexpensive sources of bandwidth. This could be from any source like fiber (lit or dark) or companies that have bandwidth to sell. If there are WISP's who want to share the backbones they have, we can map them too. I basically just need a list of locations by lat and long or street address. If I can get enough different sources of data I will map it and make it available on line. The idea is that WISP's can see how far away from cheap backhaul they really are and then they can figure out a way to bring it to their location. This could also serve as a way to get regional groups together to build a mutually beneficial backbone. The mapping can have clickable information about each site if that is included in the data sent. If this starts to take off the idea was suggested
Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE
Looks like Wiltell is close to you. We have a wholesale agreement with them as well. -Matt Blair Davis wrote: Nice map. Nothing anywhere near me, of course... :-( Matt Liotta wrote: XO's map is available at their web site. -Matt Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Is there a list so we can all see the locations? Are you able to get principal members of WISPA any deals? Brian Jory Privett wrote: I would be interested in finding out if one of there switches is in my area. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE We have a national wholesale agreement with XO, which among other things can get us very low cost colo and roof rights at their switches. -Matt Anthony Will wrote: In central MN here also. I would be very interested in a project such as this. This is the ONLY way we will truly survive. I am currently working on a way to get into the Metro area to gain access to cheap pipes. Hopefully we will end up in XO's or calpops CO. See how easy it is to get something like this started. I know that I am south of Mike. I also know that two other WISPs are south of me all the way to Iowa. Now if we can get those guys on board anyone in Iowa or Illanios is likely close enough to make this real. NOW from Illanios it really opens up. I am an old friend to an operation on the west side of Chicago connected to Equinix, one of the largest carriers hotels in the nation. Now with all the wisps together we could easily afford an OCx and get some real pricing. And with everyone sharing in the expense we could make this licensed equipment for a rock solid backbone for all of our networks. Anthony Will Ruralnet Inc. www.veryfastinternet.com (please excuse the cheesy site. We are in process of completely reworking a new site.) Mike Bushard Jr wrote: I'm in, Central MN Mike Bushard Jr Reliable Internet Services 1st Rate Computers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE Hi Brian, Well we led a session that started a dialog on this topic. It got quite loud at times. The end result was I am willing to donate time to map out in one location all of the data people send me with locations of POP's, fiber hotels and other inexpensive sources of bandwidth. This could be from any source like fiber (lit or dark) or companies that have bandwidth to sell. If there are WISP's who want to share the backbones they have, we can map them too. I basically just need a list of locations by lat and long or street address. If I can get enough different sources of data I will map it and make it available on line. The idea is that WISP's can see how far away from cheap backhaul they really are and then they can figure out a way to bring it to their location. This could also serve as a way to get regional groups together to build a mutually beneficial backbone. The mapping can have clickable information about each site if that is included in the data sent. If this starts to take off the idea was suggested that a national group or co-op be formed to manage this backbone so that one person or company could not bring down or segment part of the network. There were many ideas and issues brought up about this. I don't want to get this thread started on all of that. I really just want to see where were are with access to cheap bandwidth and how we might be able to stitch together an ad hoc backbone for the time being. Anyone who is interested in this project please send me an email with WISPBONE in the subject line. I will create a distribution list for now and if we get it going we can set up a list somewhere to have an online forum. To date I have no input from any of the people who were in the session. Just like most of these good ideas, I feel it will die because everyone is too busy with their own business and they hope someone else will get it going. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com Free World Dialup #481416 -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering I was told to bring this up after WiNog. Well... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE
I wouldn't consider myself a fan of XO and we don't buy lines from them. We only buy PRIs and DS3s. -Matt Forbes Mercy wrote: Matt, I don't know how you can be such a fan of XO's. We just bought an ISP that has service through them. They charge portability and FCC charges on EVERY line which is not required by law but also isn't done by any other phone company. It adds nearly $8 per line which really adds up. I asked them to justify it and they said my favorite corporate line It's just our policy but they added even if it's not correct. What a weird thing to say. Sure they are way more dependable than companies like Eschelon/ATG and more honest than NTI but with taxes that aren't necessary they aren't much better than Qwest. Forbes Mercy CEO - Washington Broadband, Inc. www.wabroadband.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (509) 853-0858 -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 8/29/2005 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: Subject:Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE XO's map is available at their web site. -Matt Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Is there a list so we can all see the locations? Are you able to get principal members of WISPA any deals? Brian Jory Privett wrote: I would be interested in finding out if one of there switches is in my area. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE We have a national wholesale agreement with XO, which among other things can get us very low cost colo and roof rights at their switches. -Matt Anthony Will wrote: In central MN here also. I would be very interested in a project such as this. This is the ONLY way we will truly survive. I am currently working on a way to get into the Metro area to gain access to cheap pipes. Hopefully we will end up in XO's or calpops CO. See how easy it is to get something like this started. I know that I am south of Mike. I also know that two other WISPs are south of me all the way to Iowa. Now if we can get those guys on board anyone in Iowa or Illanios is likely close enough to make this real. NOW from Illanios it really opens up. I am an old friend to an operation on the west side of Chicago connected to Equinix, one of the largest carriers hotels in the nation. Now with all the wisps together we could easily afford an OCx and get some real pricing. And with everyone sharing in the expense we could make this licensed equipment for a rock solid backbone for all of our networks. Anthony Will Ruralnet Inc. www.veryfastinternet.com (please excuse the cheesy site. We are in process of completely reworking a new site.) Mike Bushard Jr wrote: I'm in, Central MN Mike Bushard Jr Reliable Internet Services 1st Rate Computers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE Hi Brian, Well we led a session that started a dialog on this topic. It got quite loud at times. The end result was I am willing to donate time to map out in one location all of the data people send me with locations of POP's, fiber hotels and other inexpensive sources of bandwidth. This could be from any source like fiber (lit or dark) or companies that have bandwidth to sell. If there are WISP's who want to share the backbones they have, we can map them too. I basically just need a list of locations by lat and long or street address. If I can get enough different sources of data I will map it and make it available on line. The idea is that WISP's can see how far away from cheap backhaul they really are and then they can figure out a way to bring it to their location. This could also serve as a way to get regional groups together to build a mutually beneficial backbone. The mapping can have clickable information about each site if that is included in the data sent. If this starts to take off the idea was suggested that a national group or co-op be formed to manage this backbone so that one person or company could not bring down or segment part of the network. There were many ideas and issues brought up about this. I don't want to get this thread started on all of that. I really just want to see where were are with access to cheap bandwidth and how we might be able to stitch together an ad hoc backbone for the time being. Anyone who is interested in this project please send me an email with WISPBONE in the subject line. I will create a distribution list for now and if we get it going we can set up a list somewhere to have an online forum. To date I have no input from any of the people who were in the session. Just like most
Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE
I know of a big huge red microwave tower near me. Al at AT said is it not active. It used to be a main trunk to Chicago. Any chance of fiber at this place??? What do they do when they take down the microwave links? Run fiber? http://www.americantower.com/OASISPublic/SitePublicPage/SiteBrochure.asp?lngSiteID=220lngTowerID=-1txtCaption=Brochure It is only 8 miles north of my POP. Brian Jeromie Reeves wrote: I can get LVL3 and Wiltel to do it but only at a OC3 commit. Roof rights are iffy as the hut is own by ATT and they STILL claim not to own this fiber route. LVL3 says they do (and lease 2 pair running OC-192's on them). Wonder what DF will cost, to bad they dont terminate where i need them to. Jeromie Reeves Matt Liotta wrote: Nope; In fact, I have never run into any carrier that would do that. All the dark fiber we lease we get roof rights at every regen. -Matt Jeromie Reeves wrote: Are you able to get XO to break out at a fiber hut where (according to the map) they have fiber but no POP? Jeromie Reeves Matt Liotta wrote: We have a national wholesale agreement with XO, which among other things can get us very low cost colo and roof rights at their switches. -Matt Anthony Will wrote: In central MN here also. I would be very interested in a project such as this. This is the ONLY way we will truly survive. I am currently working on a way to get into the Metro area to gain access to cheap pipes. Hopefully we will end up in XO's or calpops CO. See how easy it is to get something like this started. I know that I am south of Mike. I also know that two other WISPs are south of me all the way to Iowa. Now if we can get those guys on board anyone in Iowa or Illanios is likely close enough to make this real. NOW from Illanios it really opens up. I am an old friend to an operation on the west side of Chicago connected to Equinix, one of the largest carriers hotels in the nation. Now with all the wisps together we could easily afford an OCx and get some real pricing. And with everyone sharing in the expense we could make this licensed equipment for a rock solid backbone for all of our networks. Anthony Will Ruralnet Inc. www.veryfastinternet.com (please excuse the cheesy site. We are in process of completely reworking a new site.) Mike Bushard Jr wrote: I'm in, Central MN Mike Bushard Jr Reliable Internet Services 1st Rate Computers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE Hi Brian, Well we led a session that started a dialog on this topic. It got quite loud at times. The end result was I am willing to donate time to map out in one location all of the data people send me with locations of POP's, fiber hotels and other inexpensive sources of bandwidth. This could be from any source like fiber (lit or dark) or companies that have bandwidth to sell. If there are WISP's who want to share the backbones they have, we can map them too. I basically just need a list of locations by lat and long or street address. If I can get enough different sources of data I will map it and make it available on line. The idea is that WISP's can see how far away from cheap backhaul they really are and then they can figure out a way to bring it to their location. This could also serve as a way to get regional groups together to build a mutually beneficial backbone. The mapping can have clickable information about each site if that is included in the data sent. If this starts to take off the idea was suggested that a national group or co-op be formed to manage this backbone so that one person or company could not bring down or segment part of the network. There were many ideas and issues brought up about this. I don't want to get this thread started on all of that. I really just want to see where were are with access to cheap bandwidth and how we might be able to stitch together an ad hoc backbone for the time being. Anyone who is interested in this project please send me an email with WISPBONE in the subject line. I will create a distribution list for now and if we get it going we can set up a list somewhere to have an online forum. To date I have no input from any of the people who were in the session. Just like most of these good ideas, I feel it will die because everyone is too busy with their own business and they hope someone else will get it going. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com Free World Dialup #481416 -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering I was told to bring this up after WiNog. Well... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE
I'd also like to mention XO is our friend. They posted an excellent filing in support of 3650 for contention based non-exclusive licensing in favor of WISPs. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE Is there a list so we can all see the locations? Are you able to get principal members of WISPA any deals?BrianJory Privett wrote: I would be interested in finding out if one of there switches is in my area. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE We have a national wholesale agreement with XO, which among other things can get us very low cost colo and roof rights at their switches. -Matt Anthony Will wrote: In central MN here also. I would be very interested in a project such as this. This is the ONLY way we will truly survive. I am currently working on a way to get into the Metro area to gain access to cheap pipes. Hopefully we will end up in XO's or calpops CO. See how easy it is to get something like this started. I know that I am south of Mike. I also know that two other WISPs are south of me all the way to Iowa. Now if we can get those guys on board anyone in Iowa or Illanios is likely close enough to make this real. NOW from Illanios it really opens up. I am an old friend to an operation on the west side of Chicago connected to Equinix, one of the largest carriers hotels in the nation. Now with all the wisps together we could easily afford an OCx and get some real pricing. And with everyone sharing in the expense we could make this licensed equipment for a rock solid backbone for all of our networks. Anthony Will Ruralnet Inc. www.veryfastinternet.com (please excuse the cheesy site. We are in process of completely reworking a new site.) Mike Bushard Jr wrote: I'm in, Central MN Mike Bushard Jr Reliable Internet Services 1st Rate Computers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE Hi Brian, Well we led a session that started a dialog on this topic. It got quite loud at times. The end result was I am willing to donate time to map out in one location all of the data people send me with locations of POP's, fiber hotels and other inexpensive sources of bandwidth. This could be from any source like fiber (lit or dark) or companies that have bandwidth to sell. If there are WISP's who want to share the backbones they have, we can map them too. I basically just need a list of locations by lat and long or street address. If I can get enough different sources of data I will map it and make it available on line. The idea is that WISP's can see how far away from cheap backhaul they really are and then they can figure out a way to bring it to their location. This could also serve as a way to get regional groups together to build a mutually beneficial backbone. The mapping can have clickable information about each site if that is included in the data sent. If this starts to take off the idea was suggested that a national group or co-op be formed to manage this backbone so that one person or company could not bring down or segment part of the network. There were many ideas and issues brought up about this. I don't want to get this thread started on all of that. I really just want to see where were are with access to cheap bandwidth and how we might be able to stitch together an ad hoc backbone for the time being. Anyone who is interested in this project please send me an email with WISPBONE in the subject line. I will create a distribution list for now and if we get it going we can set up a list somewhere to have an online forum. To date I have no input from any of the people who were in the session. Just like most of these good ideas, I feel it will die because everyone is too busy with their own business and they hope someone else will get it going. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com Free World Dialup #481416 -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering I was told to bring this up after WiNog. Well... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireles
