Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-13 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Well, I'll add a couple comments, before the group chimes in I agree, that in MORE cases, people will chose 23Ghz licensed over 24Ghz. But that does not negate the 24Ghz model potential. For 24Ghz, 2ft Dish configurations are going to be MUCH

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Charles Wu
Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter. Trango is, and has always been profitable. Well you can read Dragonwave's latest financial statement here...

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Josh Luthman
From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows. Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small differences. Both companies have problems either financially or historically. I think the geeks in us care about the products and the operation managers in us care about the

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread jp
:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link The only reason we don't attach it here in the factory is to enable the user the option to use a waveguide adapter (instead of the transition) in the event they want to connect the ODU to piece of flex waveguide so

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
I wanted to clear up, a signficant undersight in my previous post. There are additional options for 100mbps FDX 24Ghz unlicensed link. Cable-Free wireless, http://www.cablefree.co.uk/ has a 24Ghz unlicensed product shipping, for sub $9k. Likely significantly less, but I'll leave detailed price

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Charles Wu
for a major modification -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link On this subject Charles, others: Whats

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Charles Wu
-- and by then, you'll be looking to upgrade your backhauls anyways -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Charles Wu
For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was a good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that don't need licensing, doesn't use 5ghz and can do 200mbps actual data or faster. If

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Gino Villarini
-Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link On this subject Charles, others: Whats the process

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Bob Moldashel
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows. Both Dragonwave and Trango

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Gino Villarini
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link On this subject Charles, others: Whats the process of making a change to an existing license? Let say I wish to move to one

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread 3-dB Networks
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows. Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small differences. Both

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread 3-dB Networks
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link My personal opinion regarding point-to-point links is that it boils down solely to price technical specifications When

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread 3-dB Networks
: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was a good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that don't need licensing, doesn't use 5ghz and can do 200mbps actual

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread 3-dB Networks
, February 12, 2009 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Charles, Thanks for the prompt response , I was thinking more on availability. Say I'm on a crowded area, what would be the chances of not getting the license? Sent from my Motorola Startac

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Gino Villarini
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows. Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small differences. Both companies have

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread lakeland
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Sure... at the end of the day I guess that is all I care about too. But if your ODU fails in two years... and the company you purchased it from no longer exists... your kinda screwed aren't you? Long term support should always be taken into consideration

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Josh Luthman
-Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:47:09 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Sure... at the end of the day I guess that is all I care about too. But if your ODU fails in two years... and the company you

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Gino Villarini
Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:47:09 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Sure... at the end of the day I guess that is all I care about too. But if your ODU fails in two years... and the company you

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread jp
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:33:41PM -0600, Charles Wu wrote: For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was a good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that don't need licensing,

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Travis Johnson
eless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows. Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small differences. Both companies hav

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Matt Liotta
On Feb 12, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: And, CTI has published their exact pricing for the Trango. Why is nobody else putting out the DW price? I don't know, but our last quote from CTI had the DW coming in less than Trango. -Matt

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Charles Wu
Charles, Thanks for the prompt response , I was thinking more on availability. Say I'm on a crowded area, what would be the chances of not getting the license? Hard to say...but keep in mind, we were able to get that license for you after Micronet said no-go That said, even though you have to

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Jeff Ehman
, 2009 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link On Feb 12, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: And, CTI has published their exact pricing for the Trango. Why is nobody else putting out the DW price? I don't know, but our last quote from CTI had the DW coming

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Travis Johnson
] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link On Feb 12, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: And, CTI has published their exact pricing for the Trango. Why is nobody else putting out the DW price? I

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread Cameron Kilton
I will second this, I would love to hear it! -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Isn't

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread Jeff Ehman
: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link I will second this, I would love to hear it! -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread 3-dB Networks
-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Hello Daniel, Well, that is disappointing as I was hoping for more substance from you to back up your statements regarding close in price

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread 3-dB Networks
: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Hi, I have a better idea someone compile a simple side-by-side comparison of the Dragonwave vs. Trango 18ghz radios. List all the benefits of each radio, and then also list the current price

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread Brad Belton
Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link I have to run out into the field to work on a Bridgewave link (people pay good money

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread can...@believewireless.net
] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link I have to run out into the field to work on a Bridgewave link (people pay good money for that :-). I'll answer this tonight. Daniel White 3-dB Networks

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread Gino Villarini
...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link We are in Baltimore and now have Sprint WiMax to compete against in the residential market. Hearing a lot of people say how great it was, I decided to check it out. What I

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread John Seaman
Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Brad, Go back through the list achieves... I think I have made my stance on why

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread Josh Luthman
for pricing off-list. John Seaman Trango Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread John Seaman
PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link So when you build a Trango backhaul network you hope they don't ruin you like they did for us trying to do use 700 dollar CPEs. I have not used Trango backhaul products due to the horrible experience, cost and support for the Acess

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread Randy Cosby
is interested in the promos let us or CTI know. John -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link So when you

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread Travis Johnson
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Brad, Go back through the list achieves... I think I have made my stance on why Dragonwave is better in my opinion than Trango. I've installed nine Trango Giga links... so my opinion is based on my ow

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread John Seaman
-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Can I ask an honest question about the PTP licensed gear? Tell us about the tech support department. Is it just

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread Patrick Leary
813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Seaman Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Hi Randy, There are three people in our support group..plus me

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread Josh Luthman
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Can I ask an honest question about the PTP licensed gear? Tell us about the tech support department. Is it just Timo (sp?)? How many

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread Josh Luthman
: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Hi Randy, There are three people in our support group..plus me and Ray. We're a small sales and upport team.. but that's how a company stays profitable in tough economic times. We'll add support

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread Tom DeReggi
: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Just to clear up a few points... Daniel's claim of number of Trango's units shipped is WAY off. He has no way of knowing what we have shipped. Trango is a private company and as such we dont divulge specifics, but I can tell you that the actual shipments are FAR

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread John Seaman
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link The only reason we don't attach it here in the factory is to enable the user the option to use a waveguide adapter (instead

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread Tom DeReggi
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link That was exactly my point, Patrick. With the PMP products they flip flopped. They started making PTP products - what's to say they won't do the same thing to those who have these deployed? Fool me one shame on you, fool me twice... Also, how

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread Matt Liotta
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Hi Randy, There are three people in our support group..plus me and Ray. We're a small sales and upport team.. but that's how a company stays profitable in tough economic times. We'll add support resources as needed and as the installed base grows. John

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread John Seaman
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Trango has a way of destroying their reputation even when their product is not at fault. We've had them offer us volume discounts only later to see the same price

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread Josh Luthman
investments.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread Matt Liotta
On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:02 PM, John Seaman wrote: Matt, there is no DFS detector in the Atlas5010. It was not a firmware issue, but rather a hardware limitation. That is why we released the 5055, aka the TrangoLINK-45 which is essentially the same product as the Atlas but has DFS support

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread Tom DeReggi
be a really good start. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Seaman j...@trangosys.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Thanks Tom

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread can...@believewireless.net
Broadband - Original Message - From: John Seaman j...@trangosys.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Thanks Tom, we're not convinced about 24 GHz... the power limits are very low. We

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread cam
PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Thanks Tom, we're not convinced about 24 GHz... the power limits are very low. We are looking at it but we're trying to size up the 24 GHz market before we make the commitment to pursue this frequency. I do know that in Canada there is good

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread 3-dB Networks
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:07 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Hmmm...sure sounds like you have an inordinate amount of service work on your linksgrin I'm

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread 3-dB Networks
: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Brad, Go back through the list achieves... I think I have made my stance on why Dragonwave is better in my opinion than Trango. I've installed nine Trango Giga links... so my opinion is based on my own personal experience... not just the Dragonwave marketing material. I

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-11 Thread Mike Hammett
: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Well, I'll add a couple comments, before the group chimes in I agree, that in MORE cases, people will chose 23Ghz licensed over 24Ghz. But that does not negate the 24Ghz model potential. For 24Ghz, 2ft Dish configurations are going to be MUCH more effective

[WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-10 Thread Andrew Niemantsverdriet
I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance. So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears! Thanks, _ /-\

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-10 Thread David Blood
: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance. So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-10 Thread 3-dB Networks
if you like. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link I

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-10 Thread Brad Belton
, February 10, 2009 6:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Well... I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be surprised how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance is much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-10 Thread Jeff Ehman
To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Hello Daniel, Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave performance is much better? Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a Dragonwave stacks up against competing products. Namely Trango in this case

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-10 Thread Travis Johnson
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Hello Daniel, Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave "performance is much better"? Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us expl

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-10 Thread 3-dB Networks
] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link All, When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium for a Dragonwave product. There are plenty of threads on this topic. I would be happy to grab

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-10 Thread Brad Belton
comments as all show and no go... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link I'm going to go with Jeff

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-10 Thread Travis Johnson
February 10, 2009 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link All, When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium for a Dragonwave product. There are plenty of threads on this topic. I would be happy to grab a bunch for you so hit me off off-list