Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread Rick Smith


uhh, Rick, I don't think you've got it right here...

There's large interest from other WISPs on adding revenue streams, 
whether it means VOIP, IPTV, Gaming Servers OR porn servers...


As Alex didn't go into the graphic details, and just the $$$ aspects, 
how would this not be proper...  I am seeing the fact that if he went 
into graphic detail, we'd all be very offended, but he didn't...I 
thought he was quite tasteful about it.


Rick Harnish wrote:


Alex,

Please take this offlist.  This is not proper content for discussion on the
Wispa list servs.

Respectfully,  


Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Founding Member of WISPA 
-Original Message-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream

I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would 
be okay to deploy on the network.


They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus 
additional fees for high load times.


When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they aren't 
in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.


Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of 
liability exists..


It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew says 
they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.


Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are 
doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom line. I 
don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  - 
answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.


Any experience with this?

 


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RE: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread chris cooper
Ditto.

Chris cooper
Intelliwave

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*


uhh, Rick, I don't think you've got it right here...

There's large interest from other WISPs on adding revenue streams, 
whether it means VOIP, IPTV, Gaming Servers OR porn servers...

As Alex didn't go into the graphic details, and just the $$$ aspects, 
how would this not be proper...  I am seeing the fact that if he went 
into graphic detail, we'd all be very offended, but he didn't...I 
thought he was quite tasteful about it.

Rick Harnish wrote:

Alex,

Please take this offlist.  This is not proper content for discussion on
the
Wispa list servs.

Respectfully,  
 
Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Founding Member of WISPA 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream

I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would 
be okay to deploy on the network.

They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus 
additional fees for high load times.

When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they
aren't 
in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.

Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of 
liability exists..

It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew says

they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.

Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are 
doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom line.
I 
don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  - 
answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.

Any experience with this?

  

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RE: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I am leaving WISPA too, this list has been going downhill for a while
and this NAZI tactic monitoring is starting to become annoying.

Kurt Fankhauser
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Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alex Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive.  
Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to  
consider VoIP gateways.
since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on  
your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA.  bye



On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

 Alex,

 Please take this offlist.  This is not proper content for  
 discussion on the
 Wispa list servs.

 Respectfully,

 Rick Harnish
 President
 Supernova Technologies, Inc.
 260-827-2482 Office
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Founding Member of WISPA
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
 Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream

 I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would
 be okay to deploy on the network.

 They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus
 additional fees for high load times.

 When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they  
 aren't
 in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.

 Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of
 liability exists..

 It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew  
 says
 they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.

 Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are
 doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom  
 line. I
 don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  -
 answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.

 Any experience with this?

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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread Ron Wallace
Hey Kurt,
Come on now, we need you liberal democrats in WISPA, to keep us left wingers in line.-Original Message-From: Kurt Fankhauser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2006 01:46 PMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*I am leaving WISPA too, this list has been going downhill for a whileand this NAZI tactic monitoring is starting to become annoying.Kurt FankhauserWAVELINC114 S. Walnut St.Bucyrus, OH 44820419-562-6405www.wavelinc.com-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Alex HuppenthalSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:56 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive. Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to consider VoIP gateways.since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA. byeOn Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: Alex, Please take this offlist. This is not proper content for  discussion on the Wispa list servs. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President Supernova Technologies, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office [EMAIL PROTECTED] Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Huppenthal Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would be okay to deploy on the network. They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus additional fees for high load times. When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they  aren't in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content. Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of liability exists.. It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew  says they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature. Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom  line. I don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself - answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground. Any experience with this? --  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/272 - Release Date: 3/1/2006-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread Ron Wallace
Also, additionally, and so forth - I don't have Alex Huppenthal's e-mail address as I delete his e-mail. Would someone send me his e-mail and or e-mail him and ask him to reconsider. We need all the smart guys on our side. Regardless of their opinions and stands. Without all these differing opinions we lose our perspective.
Don't let us become a one issue org., tolerance and understanding, if I only had more I'd be a better human being.-Original Message-From: Kurt Fankhauser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2006 01:46 PMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*I am leaving WISPA too, this list has been going downhill for a whileand this NAZI tactic monitoring is starting to become annoying.Kurt FankhauserWAVELINC114 S. Walnut St.Bucyrus, OH 44820419-562-6405www.wavelinc.com-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Alex HuppenthalSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:56 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive. Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to consider VoIP gateways.since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA. byeOn Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: Alex, Please take this offlist. This is not proper content for  discussion on the Wispa list servs. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President Supernova Technologies, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office [EMAIL PROTECTED] Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Huppenthal Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would be okay to deploy on the network. They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus additional fees for high load times. When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they  aren't in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content. Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of liability exists.. It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew  says they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature. Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom  line. I don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself - answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground. Any experience with this? --  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/272 - Release Date: 3/1/2006-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream

2006-03-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
We specifically disallow such content on any hosted sites that sit on our 
servers.


But around here, churches outnumber bars by 4 to one..  For us, it's a 
policy issue.  We don't control your actions, but we don't help either.


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- Original Message - 
From: A. Huppenthal [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:46 PM
Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream


I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would be 
okay to deploy on the network.


They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus 
additional fees for high load times.


When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they aren't 
in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.


Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of 
liability exists..


It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew says 
they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.


Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are doing 
and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom line. I don't 
think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  - answer. Its 
policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.


Any experience with this?

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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I for one would prefer that we maintain some semblance of focus on our 
core focus as an organization (promoting and improving the wireless 
industry).  I could sell Amway and consider that to be an additional 
revenue stream for my WISP, but having me ramble on about that is the 
last thing anyone here should have to be subjected to.


The last thing we need on this list is more noise to drown our our 
signal, whether that noise is discussion that is relatively unrelated to 
the wireless industry (like the original post) or plain old I don't 
like this or that so I'm leaving drama. 


Thanks for nipping this one Rick.   Keep up the good work.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


I am leaving WISPA too, this list has been going downhill for a while
and this NAZI tactic monitoring is starting to become annoying.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alex Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive.  
Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to  
consider VoIP gateways.
since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on  
your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA.  bye




On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

 


Alex,

Please take this offlist.  This is not proper content for  
discussion on the

Wispa list servs.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Founding Member of WISPA
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream

I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would
be okay to deploy on the network.

They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus
additional fees for high load times.

When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they  
aren't

in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.

Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of
liability exists..

It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew  
says

they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.

Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are
doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom  
line. I

don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  -
answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.

Any experience with this?

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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread Blair Davis
If you consider the original post by Alex Huppenthal as being outside 
'our core focus as an organization (promoting and improving the wireless 
industry),  then the  entire Adzilla thread is out of line.


Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

I for one would prefer that we maintain some semblance of focus on our 
core focus as an organization (promoting and improving the wireless 
industry).  I could sell Amway and consider that to be an additional 
revenue stream for my WISP, but having me ramble on about that is the 
last thing anyone here should have to be subjected to.


The last thing we need on this list is more noise to drown our our 
signal, whether that noise is discussion that is relatively unrelated 
to the wireless industry (like the original post) or plain old I 
don't like this or that so I'm leaving drama.

Thanks for nipping this one Rick.   Keep up the good work.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


I am leaving WISPA too, this list has been going downhill for a while
and this NAZI tactic monitoring is starting to become annoying.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alex Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive.  
Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to  
consider VoIP gateways.
since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on  
your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA.  bye




On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

 


Alex,

Please take this offlist.  This is not proper content for  
discussion on the

Wispa list servs.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Founding Member of WISPA
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream

I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would
be okay to deploy on the network.

They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus
additional fees for high load times.

When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they  
aren't

in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.

Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of
liability exists..

It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew  
says

they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.

Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are
doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom  
line. I

don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  -
answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.

Any experience with this?

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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I have an idea.  Lets close this thread. 

Or we could complain some more and get more memberships to disappear and 
more lurkers to say I'll never join that organization of a bunch of 
ladies complaining.


Here is another idea.

Lets talk about wireless.

Here is another idea.  Call your congressman and get us some spectrum.

Anything but the dramaPLEASE!!


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


I am leaving WISPA too, this list has been going downhill for a while
and this NAZI tactic monitoring is starting to become annoying.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alex Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive.  
Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to  
consider VoIP gateways.
since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on  
your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA.  bye




On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

 


Alex,

Please take this offlist.  This is not proper content for  
discussion on the

Wispa list servs.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Founding Member of WISPA
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream

I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would
be okay to deploy on the network.

They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus
additional fees for high load times.

When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they  
aren't

in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.

Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of
liability exists..

It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew  
says

they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.

Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are
doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom  
line. I

don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  -
answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.

Any experience with this?

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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread Mark Koskenmaki

Given the odds... I know that someday I'm going to face the issue of content
policy.

I, too, am rather disappointed to know that wireless ISP's aren't supposed
to discuss this notion among themselves.   What goes on, on my network, I
don't know, really.   I haven't monitored enough traffic to know, and
frankly, I don't want to.   I hope I never do, but given the odds, that's
not likely.

But there may be legal or other concerns that can seriously impact your
business, and it's all about the content FROM your customers, not just TO
your customers.

Where do you suggest we discuss these issues, anyway?   Hire a lawyer?


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- Original Message - 
From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*


 I for one would prefer that we maintain some semblance of focus on our
 core focus as an organization (promoting and improving the wireless
 industry).  I could sell Amway and consider that to be an additional
 revenue stream for my WISP, but having me ramble on about that is the
 last thing anyone here should have to be subjected to.

 The last thing we need on this list is more noise to drown our our
 signal, whether that noise is discussion that is relatively unrelated to
 the wireless industry (like the original post) or plain old I don't
 like this or that so I'm leaving drama.

 Thanks for nipping this one Rick.   Keep up the good work.

 Matt Larsen
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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread Blair Davis

Then let's dump ALL the stuff that is not directly involving wireless.

I think that that would make this a very slow moving list

And I had/have some insight to offer on Alex's original question... 
Alex, if you see this, or if someone gets it to you, feel free to 
contact me off list.  We had a similar situation arise several years ago.


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I have an idea.  Lets close this thread.
Or we could complain some more and get more memberships to disappear 
and more lurkers to say I'll never join that organization of a bunch 
of ladies complaining.


Here is another idea.

Lets talk about wireless.

Here is another idea.  Call your congressman and get us some spectrum.

Anything but the dramaPLEASE!!


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


I am leaving WISPA too, this list has been going downhill for a while
and this NAZI tactic monitoring is starting to become annoying.

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alex Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive.  
Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to  
consider VoIP gateways.
since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on  
your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA.  bye




On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

 


Alex,

Please take this offlist.  This is not proper content for  
discussion on the

Wispa list servs.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Founding Member of WISPA
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream

I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would
be okay to deploy on the network.

They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus
additional fees for high load times.

When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they  
aren't

in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.

Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of
liability exists..

It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew  
says

they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.

Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are
doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom  
line. I

don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  -
answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.

Any experience with this?

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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread JohnnyO




I appreciate Rick for what he does - with that being said - I do not feel there was anything wrong with Alex's post. I for one would like to hear everyone's opinion on the topic before u nipping this one Matt. Below you stated YOUR opinion. You also kinda went to extremes by bringing up Amway What Alex has brought up could be a huge $$ generator and a good fit for some WISPs/ISPs. Alex never went into graphic details only generalizations.

I guess all of this noise caused by the nipping as you say it is more suited for public view ? h

JohnnyO

On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 09:20 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:


I for one would prefer that we maintain some semblance of focus on our 
core focus as an organization (promoting and improving the wireless 
industry).  I could sell Amway and consider that to be an additional 
revenue stream for my WISP, but having me ramble on about that is the 
last thing anyone here should have to be subjected to.

The last thing we need on this list is more noise to drown our our 
signal, whether that noise is discussion that is relatively unrelated to 
the wireless industry (like the original post) or plain old I don't 
like this or that so I'm leaving drama. 

Thanks for nipping this one Rick.   Keep up the good work.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

I am leaving WISPA too, this list has been going downhill for a while
and this NAZI tactic monitoring is starting to become annoying.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Alex Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive.  
Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to  
consider VoIP gateways.
since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on  
your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA.  bye



On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

  

Alex,

Please take this offlist.  This is not proper content for  
discussion on the
Wispa list servs.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Founding Member of WISPA
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream

I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would
be okay to deploy on the network.

They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus
additional fees for high load times.

When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they  
aren't
in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.

Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of
liability exists..

It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew  
says
they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.

Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are
doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom  
line. I
don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  -
answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.

Any experience with this?

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[WISPA] New revenue stream

2006-03-07 Thread A. Huppenthal
I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would 
be okay to deploy on the network.


They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus 
additional fees for high load times.


When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they aren't 
in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.


Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of 
liability exists..


It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew says 
they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.


Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are 
doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom line. I 
don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  - 
answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.


Any experience with this?

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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-07 Thread Alex Huppenthal
my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive.  
Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to  
consider VoIP gateways.
since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on  
your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA.  bye




On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:


Alex,

Please take this offlist.  This is not proper content for  
discussion on the

Wispa list servs.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Founding Member of WISPA
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream

I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would
be okay to deploy on the network.

They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus
additional fees for high load times.

When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they  
aren't

in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.

Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of
liability exists..

It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew  
says

they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.

Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are
doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom  
line. I

don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  -
answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.

Any experience with this?

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RE: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-07 Thread Charles Wu
Title: Message



Like 
it or not, it is worth noting that p0rn accounts for a VAST OVERWHELMING 
MAJORITY of Internet traffic

-Charles


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  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Ron WallaceSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:05 PMTo: 
  WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD 
  CLOSED!*
  Rick,
  I can certainly understand that many among us are offended by the very 
  mention of nudity on the internet, however, I do not understand why the 
  topicin question cannot be discussed on the WISPA list. I 
  understood the WISPA lists to be a forum of discussion to determine how 
  'members' felt about the activities of the FCC, and how we could have our 
  interests represented, for example. 
  Rick why is it 'not proper' for us to discuss the propriety of allowing 
  nude web sites, or not allowing, based upon the free and open discussion of 
  the precise impropriety of the question Mr. Huppenthal asked? I am a 
  paid member, I do not allow, if I know, sexually explicit material on my 
  system. Notwithstanding, I believe that an open discussion of the very 
  issue Mr. Huppenthal raised might clear the air and set some valuable 
  guidelines forus all.
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  -Original Message-From: Rick Harnish 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2006 09:35 
  PMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: [WISPA] New revenue 
  stream *THREAD CLOSED!*Alex,Please take this 
  offlist. This is not proper content for discussion on theWispa list 
  servs.Respectfully,  Rick 
  HarnishPresidentSupernova Technologies, 
  Inc.260-827-2482 
  Office[EMAIL PROTECTED]Founding Member of 
  WISPA -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  OnBehalf Of A. HuppenthalSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 
  PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] New revenue 
  streamI have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture 
  web server would be okay to deploy on the network.They 
  are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus 
  additional fees for high load times.When I called 
  Qwest to find out about their policy they said they aren't in the 
  business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering 
  content.Since this server is not one of the companies, I 
  wonder what sort of liability exists..It appears this 
  is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew says they want to 
  provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.Now I've 
  watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are doing and 
  how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom line. I don't 
  think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself - answer. Its 
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