Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-04 Thread Mike Hammett
. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-04 Thread Rogelio
Mike Hammett wrote: Agreed. I don't intend on buying anything Cisco. Over priced, under performing, and their we will screw you whether you like it or not policies. No thanks, someone else, please. One of my clients (a big cable company) just bought hundreds of thousands of dollars of

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-04 Thread John Thomas
Jenkins Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards? Even if I go to a NPE-G1 or G2 I still need a total of 5 ports. 1 for inbound connection. 2 for outbound to radios that serve different towers 1 for local network

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-04 Thread John Thomas
If you guys want to bash Cisco, that's your perogative, but my experience has been somewhat different. We recently took on a new client that has some Cisco switches that their old VAR sols them 5 YEARs of Smartnets on. Since we are looking at them upgrading to some new equipment, we asked

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-04 Thread RickG
Bash or no bash - personal experiences are being told here. I have had great experiences with Cisco products but that doesnt mean others have not. As a buyer of equipment, it is good to hear the good, the bad, and the ugly so an educated decision can be made on the next purchase. Thanks guys!

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-04 Thread Travis Johnson
I have about 80 Cisco 2900 and 3500 switches servicing our fiber ring. Most of them are 5+ years old and were purchased used on ebay for $400, and some are older. Some of these have "uptimes" of over 4 years right now. :) Cisco hardware just works. It's expensive, and the software can be

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-04 Thread Rogelio
Travis Johnson wrote: I have about 80 Cisco 2900 and 3500 switches servicing our fiber ring. Most of them are 5+ years old and were purchased used on ebay for $400, and some are older. Some of these have uptimes of over 4 years right now. :) Cisco hardware just works. It's expensive, and

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-04 Thread Josh Luthman
I agree - I have heard and seen a lot of Cisco equipment last many years, others only a few months. Both ends had expensive options (in the thousands). On 6/4/09, Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com wrote: Travis Johnson wrote: I have about 80 Cisco 2900 and 3500 switches servicing our fiber ring.

[WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Matt Jenkins
I have a 7204VXR router as my core. I am looking at upgrading from a 100mb ethernet to a gigE. I am having a really hard time find out how I can add gigabit ethernet (via RJ-45 connectors) to this router. I have two spare slots of expansion cards but I cannot find a card that does gig. Can

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Randy Cosby
Which NPE are you using? Randy Matt Jenkins wrote: I have a 7204VXR router as my core. I am looking at upgrading from a 100mb ethernet to a gigE. I am having a really hard time find out how I can add gigabit ethernet (via RJ-45 connectors) to this router. I have two spare slots of

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Matt Jenkins
NPE400 Randy Cosby wrote: Which NPE are you using? Randy Matt Jenkins wrote: I have a 7204VXR router as my core. I am looking at upgrading from a 100mb ethernet to a gigE. I am having a really hard time find out how I can add gigabit ethernet (via RJ-45 connectors) to this router. I

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Matt Jenkins
Even if I go to a NPE-G1 or G2 I still need a total of 5 ports. 1 for inbound connection. 2 for outbound to radios that serve different towers 1 for local network of servers etc. 1 for colo customer. How do I add those other two ports? Randy Cosby wrote: Which NPE are you using? Randy

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Kevin Neal
I've found Cisco ports are more expensive than a Mikrotik distribution router. We currently have a Cisco handling BGP and upstream connections, then we distribute it using a switch to multiple Mikrotik boxes that distribute and route(OSPF) to our various backhauls. I'd cringe to think what it

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Gino Villarini
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards? Even if I go to a NPE-G1 or G2 I still need a total of 5 ports. 1 for inbound connection. 2 for outbound to radios that serve different towers 1 for local network of servers etc. 1 for colo customer. How do I add those

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Randy Cosby
I'm checking with our NE here for recommendations. We've had great luck / price per port on the cisco 6500 series switches if you can have the 740x do routing. Kevin Neal wrote: I've found Cisco ports are more expensive than a Mikrotik distribution router. We currently have a Cisco

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Jon Auer
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards? Even if I go to a NPE-G1 or G2 I still need a total of 5 ports. 1 for inbound connection. 2 for outbound to radios that serve different towers 1 for local network of servers etc. 1 for colo customer. How do I add those other two

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Matt Jenkins
Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Matt Liotta
There is only one PA that can support GigE, which is the PA-GE. Unfortunately, the slot can't support the full capacity of the interface. Depending on what engine you have you will not likely exceed 200Mbps with that interface. The only way to really handle GigE with a 7200 is to get at

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Matt Liotta
A lot less than you would think. We run Cisco for our entire network. Costs have come way down on new equipment and there is a ton of used equipment for pennies on dollar. -Matt On Jun 3, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Kevin Neal wrote: I've found Cisco ports are more expensive than a Mikrotik

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards? I have a 7204VXR router as my core. I am looking at upgrading from a 100mb ethernet to a gigE. I am having a really hard time find out how I can add gigabit ethernet (via RJ-45 connectors) to this router. I have two spare

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread David E. Smith
Matt Liotta wrote: A lot less than you would think. We run Cisco for our entire network. Costs have come way down on new equipment and there is a ton of used equipment for pennies on dollar. Did Cisco ever come to their senses on IOS licensing? Used to be, the software on a Cisco router

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Matt Liotta
On Jun 3, 2009, at 3:49 PM, David E. Smith wrote: Did Cisco ever come to their senses on IOS licensing? Used to be, the software on a Cisco router was licensed to an entity separate from the purchase of the hardware. Thus, if you bought a router used, its (already-installed) copy of IOS was

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Jeff Broadwick
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards? On Jun 3, 2009, at 3:49 PM, David E. Smith wrote: Did Cisco ever come to their senses on IOS licensing? Used

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread David E. Smith
Matt Liotta wrote: Did Cisco ever come to their senses on IOS licensing? That is FUD from competing vendors. http://www.infoworld.com/t/hardware/hidden-cost-hardware-729 This is six years old - but that's kinda my point. At least in the past, Cisco was insistent on relicensing IOS fees,

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Matt Liotta
7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards? On Jun 3, 2009, at 3:49 PM, David E. Smith wrote: Did Cisco ever come to their senses on IOS licensing? Used to be, the software on a Cisco router was licensed to an entity separate from the purchase of the hardware. Thus, if you bought a router used, its

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Matt Liotta
From your own article reference... Legal experts have varied opinions on the enforceability of some transfer restrictions, but they agree on one point: If anyone is to be found guilty of violating the software license, it would be the original purchaser who resold the equipment. The first

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Jeff Broadwick
: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards? That was worthless... don't take your word, take some some blogger's word. -Matt On Jun 3, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: It's not FUD Matt. It's real. I have a pricelist from

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Jeff Broadwick
: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards? From your own article reference... Legal experts have varied opinions on the enforceability of some transfer restrictions, but they agree on one point: If anyone is to be found guilty of violating the software license, it would be the original purchaser who resold

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Matt Liotta
On Jun 3, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Matt, That was just the first article I found. There are plenty of others. When this first came out, I was on the ISP-Equipment List and it was a huge subject of conversation. Many of the resellers of used Cisco gear put a note on

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Matt Liotta
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards? On Jun 3, 2009, at 3:49 PM, David E. Smith wrote: Did Cisco ever come to their senses on IOS licensing? Used to be, the software on a Cisco router was licensed to an entity separate from the purchase of the hardware. Thus, if you

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Matt Liotta
On Jun 3, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Also, your opinion on this subject seems to have changed. This is from your post on 3-18-2008. The first part is David Smith's question to you: How so? The IOS software issue continues to be complicated, which was my original point.

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread D. Ryan Spott
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards? On Jun 3, 2009, at 3:49 PM, David E. Smith wrote: Did Cisco ever come to their senses on IOS licensing? Used

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Steve Barnes
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards? On Jun 3, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Matt, That was just the first article I found. There are plenty of others. When this first came out, I was on the ISP-Equipment List and it was a huge subject of conversation

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Jeff Broadwick
, June 03, 2009 5:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards? On Jun 3, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Also, your opinion on this subject seems to have changed. This is from your post on 3-18-2008. The first part is David Smith's question

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread jp
/cisco_software_transfer_relicensing_policy.h tml Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread David E. Smith
Matt Liotta wrote: [ more stuff about Cisco IOS licensing ] Apologies for the wall of legalese. From the Cisco EULA at : http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/general/warranty/English/EU1KEN_.html Customer shall have no right, and Customer specifically agrees not to: transfer, assign or sublicense

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Jesse Preiner
Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards? Matt Liotta wrote: [ more stuff about Cisco IOS licensing

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread David E. Smith
Jesse Preiner wrote: We buy and sell used Cisco routers and switches on a daily basis. It is totally legal and hundreds of companies do what we do and thousands of companies (including large multi-nationals) buy and use used Cisco gear. Then how do you reconcile all this documentation from

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Jesse Preiner
and a secondary market would not exist. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards? Jesse Preiner wrote: We

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Charles Wyble
Matt Liotta wrote: On Jun 3, 2009, at 3:49 PM, David E. Smith wrote: Did Cisco ever come to their senses on IOS licensing? Used to be, the software on a Cisco router was licensed to an entity separate from the purchase of the hardware. Thus, if you bought a router used, its

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Charles Wyble
I have a Cisco pricelist with the relicense fees. I am sure you do. The question is who is subject to them and in what case do they apply. I doubt you will provide answers. Wow. What's your problem? You treat customers like that as well?

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Charles Wyble
Stop digging the hole you're in man. Matt Liotta wrote: That is a policy statement. It is not legal fact. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Charles Wyble
: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards? Matt Liotta wrote: [ more stuff about Cisco IOS licensing ] Apologies for the wall of legalese. From the Cisco EULA at : http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/general/warranty/English

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread eje
2009 16:38:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards? Matt Liotta wrote: [ more stuff about Cisco IOS licensing ] Apologies for the wall of legalese. From the Cisco EULA at : http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/general/warranty/English

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Rogelio
Charles Wyble wrote: Uh. No. It's not. It's been stated to me by Cisco personnel. To everyone who believes what Cisco has told them, I have some land to sell you in Florida! WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Rogelio
Matt Liotta wrote: That is FUD from competing vendors. Or possibly it's FUD from Cisco (my favorite kind of FUD, next to FUD from Microsoft, Red Hat, SCO, and IBM). WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-03 Thread Rogelio
Charles Wyble wrote: That is FUD from competing vendors. Uh. No. It's not. It's been stated to me by Cisco personnel. I've understood the same, Charles. Cisco people have told me (something like), You gotta buy new software and/or SmartNET for that used gear you just got used or donated. I