RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-21 Thread Kris R Efland
: Keith Willis; Kris R Efland Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Our mail server is problem free. Keith at Talon built it for us. For spam and virus' we use Postini. I'm also looking at BOSS. http://intrameta.com/ Very close to the WNoc system I was involved in years ago. I've

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-18 Thread Ross Cornett
- From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross, you need to come up here and use my AR-15 to do the shooting Much more fun to blow 30 small holes

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email you are right. I will have to come there, cus this poor state is trying

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-18 Thread Ross Cornett
/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email you are right. I will have to come there, cus this poor

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-17 Thread Frank Crawford
16, 2007 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Hi Frank, I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda. If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-17 Thread JohnnyO
@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Muto whins, Rick responds, George puffs up and threatens Dee, Dee apoligies, Muto dis's the apology. Very mature guy's. - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-17 Thread Mike Hammett
7:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-17 Thread Mike Hammett
:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote your products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, nothing wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in paying

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-17 Thread George Rogato
: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Muto whins, Rick responds, George puffs up and threatens Dee, Dee apoligies, Muto dis's the apology. Very mature guy's. - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-17 Thread John Scrivner
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote your products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, nothing wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in paying

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I appreciate it, but the financial side of it has my attention. .It is truly a depreciable asset as long As I own it. I would lose that if I sold it. So, i will still shoot it... and place it in a trophy case and thenpost the video for you all

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-17 Thread George Rogato
John Scrivner wrote: Very good points George. Frank has definitely worked hard to show his support of WISPA and deserves our gratitude for sure. Frank, we all thank you for everything you have done and continue to do for WISPA. You are a friend to our organization and we appreciate you very

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Be offended about what? How much someone is charging for Anti SPAM service using a Barracuda? The Barracuda's are fixed cost based on the device type, so

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread David E. Smith
Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Mike Hammett
: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread John Scrivner
used it for 2 months... couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini. thanks. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
will do, no problems here... Ross - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I think what Dave was trying to make a point about

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I find any better answer. Ross - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I think what

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread JohnnyO
: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that. I am diggin in deeper to better understand their policy. But, they did tell me they will not support a device that they did not sell directly. Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement. Since

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Sam Tetherow
://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread W.D.McKinney
, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that. I am diggin in deeper to better understand their policy. But, they did tell me they will not support a device that they did not sell directly. Wow, that is hidden

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Like Microsoft? If you read user agreements, you will find that many software vendors do not allow license transfer. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Mike Hammett wrote: I'd refuse to do business with a company like

RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Brandon Brownlee
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ok. It is final. You cannot resell your Barracuda box to anyone and expect Barracuda to license it. I just spoke with a VP of sales and he said just that. I told him that they should tell people this when they buy them

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
. Ross - Original Message - From: Brandon Brownlee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email You may consider leasing the server? Perhaps you can deal with support and licensing

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread JohnnyO
. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing

RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Cisco? *ducking and running away in a serpentine fashion* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Like Microsoft

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Zack Kneisley
-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:37:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Barracuda should offer a buy back

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread David E. Smith
Ross Cornett wrote: No buy back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away. Dude, I'll totally give you fifty bucks for it. (I'm serious.) If you're not interested in using it as a Barracuda, hey, it's still a decent

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread David E. Smith
JohnnyO wrote: Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm. This is what I originally stated might offend some of the barracuda

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Ross - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: No buy back no resale

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread W.D.McKinney
PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:23:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Ross - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much). -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread George Rogato
David E. Smith wrote: JohnnyO wrote: Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm. This is why I can't consider an outsourced email

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread David E. Smith
Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much). Okay, sixty dollars, but that's my final offer. :)

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Peter R.
George Rogato wrote: David E. Smith wrote: JohnnyO wrote: Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm. This is why I can't

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
straight from Barracuda - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross, Who did you buy that unit from? If you boaught it from a reseller

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Frank Muto
As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor. Frank Muto

RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Rick Harnish
President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Muto Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread George Rogato
Frank, you are right on Dee, you owe Frank Muto an immediate apology. Frank is a paid WISPA vendor member and has supported WISPA efforts in so many ways that no other vendor or wireless member has come close to. You Dee, have been on the various wireless lists for many years and you fully

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread George Rogato
You were a bit nicer than I was Rick, and I actually like Dee. George Rick Harnish wrote: I do have to agree with Frank here. Dee, please contact the WISPA board if you plan on promoting your sales position with Barracuda on this list, especially at the expense of a paying Vendor member.

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread W.D.McKinney
Imagestream Router WAN Cards Force10 Networks Reseller - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email As a PAYING supporting vendor

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Frank Muto
: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Hi Frank, I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda. If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-15 Thread John Thomas
] Outsourced vs in-house email Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users. Is it cost effective to outsource something this small? Also

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-12 Thread George Rogato
If you don't do a lot of mail customers it probably makes sense to outsource, even to me. Doug Ratcliffe wrote: Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains we

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-12 Thread Peter R.
Doug Ratcliffe wrote: Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users. Is it cost effective to outsource something this small? Also on

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-12 Thread David E. Smith
Peter R. wrote: Everybody.net does outsourced email. Assuming you mean everyone.net (everybody.net points to an outfit in Norway), just say no. Their mail servers are on a lot of spam blacklists both public and private, because they used to make a lot of money from free email for your domain

[WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-11 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users. Is it cost effective to outsource something this small? Also on a similar note, does

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-11 Thread W.D.McKinney
Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:12:41 -0800 Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Currently we do in-house email. We

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-11 Thread Frank Muto
, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users. Is it cost effective

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-11 Thread JohnnyO
: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users. Is it cost effective to outsource something