Re: [WISPA] Promotion
On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 10:50 -0500, Jeff Ehman wrote: First, this is an area with people not used to high speed internet so I think it would be very tough for them to figure out how to connect to the access point. This is not something that many would have a difficult time with. I think that a bigger reality is that most of the people that would see it would be either transient customers (not residents) OR they would already have a broadband connection and be setting up laptops to connect to their own AP/Router in their office/home. Also, I would assume that not too many people out there have a need for a laptop or travel around with one if they do. This is sort of the point I was making above. Most people who are in their home area would not be searching for a new connection with their laptops. Third, it would be much easier to make a simple flyer and mail it then trying to buy/configure/install a wireless hotspot. ESPECIALLY if you are looking at Mikrotik and have never used it before. Setting up a Mikrotik Hotspot is something that can be done in less than 30 minutes in most cases. This is not that hard to do. The real problem with the hotspot idea is that most hotspots (including Mikrotik) will require internet access in order to function correctly. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
And that looks good. If you ever want to head over towards Clifton we may be able to help ya out. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion Gotta show this off... http://inxwireless.com/coverage Thanks Brian =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: Yours had contact info, coverage maps, area served, you would be surprised how many don't have those things. I suspect they just feel that people should know Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion LOL - I agree that a lot of WISP's don't make it clear who/where they are and what they offer via their web sites. My own site is far from perfect, but it has been a valuable asset in procuring business. Blake Bowers wrote: ROFL... I take WISPS to task for their web page, and you bring mine up... I am so ashamed. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion http://www.frostytowers.com/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
I would think that could easily be done with a mikrotik -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Promotion I got towers. Lots of them. Many don't have any kind of wireless service anywhere close, some don't have any kind of high speed service of any kind. I would like to put up on some of them, for a fairly short period of time, something like a hotspot, say a cheap router that people can connect to, they see a splash page that says If you are intersted in HIGH SPEED WIRELESS service, please call 800-467-2346 Then we could log the calls, take their information, and if enough calls were recieved we could start talking to WISPS in adjoining areas to see if someone might be interested in providing service there. A market study if you will. Who makes a cheap box that I could hook to an OMNI with such a thing? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
Mikrotik can do this. As far as the gateway WirelessOrbit (we use PayPal) I know works and I know Eje of WISP Router has software to do this to. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I got towers. Lots of them. Many don't have any kind of wireless service anywhere close, some don't have any kind of high speed service of any kind. I would like to put up on some of them, for a fairly short period of time, something like a hotspot, say a cheap router that people can connect to, they see a splash page that says If you are intersted in HIGH SPEED WIRELESS service, please call 800-467-2346 Then we could log the calls, take their information, and if enough calls were recieved we could start talking to WISPS in adjoining areas to see if someone might be interested in providing service there. A market study if you will. Who makes a cheap box that I could hook to an OMNI with such a thing? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
I forgot that you didn't mention this - you can have the customers sign up and pay via the gateway, too. If the signal is strong enough they pick it up, see that page, click a link to create an account and pay for services. We do that kind of thing at business centers (used to do it at hotels, but the ones we have wanted it free). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Cliff Olle w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com wrote: I would think that could easily be done with a mikrotik -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Promotion I got towers. Lots of them. Many don't have any kind of wireless service anywhere close, some don't have any kind of high speed service of any kind. I would like to put up on some of them, for a fairly short period of time, something like a hotspot, say a cheap router that people can connect to, they see a splash page that says If you are intersted in HIGH SPEED WIRELESS service, please call 800-467-2346 Then we could log the calls, take their information, and if enough calls were recieved we could start talking to WISPS in adjoining areas to see if someone might be interested in providing service there. A market study if you will. Who makes a cheap box that I could hook to an OMNI with such a thing? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
Why not go ahead and sell them the service over this? Just have it take them to the signup page and process their credit card, add to radius, activate service? Scriv On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I got towers. Lots of them. Many don't have any kind of wireless service anywhere close, some don't have any kind of high speed service of any kind. I would like to put up on some of them, for a fairly short period of time, something like a hotspot, say a cheap router that people can connect to, they see a splash page that says If you are intersted in HIGH SPEED WIRELESS service, please call 800-467-2346 Then we could log the calls, take their information, and if enough calls were recieved we could start talking to WISPS in adjoining areas to see if someone might be interested in providing service there. A market study if you will. Who makes a cheap box that I could hook to an OMNI with such a thing? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
Think he is saying that the tower does not have wireless service to it. He is looking to have a page that he can get calls on, then, when there is enough interest he will worry about getting net to it ;) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. John Scrivner wrote: Why not go ahead and sell them the service over this? Just have it take them to the signup page and process their credit card, add to radius, activate service? Scriv On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I got towers. Lots of them. Many don't have any kind of wireless service anywhere close, some don't have any kind of high speed service of any kind. I would like to put up on some of them, for a fairly short period of time, something like a hotspot, say a cheap router that people can connect to, they see a splash page that says If you are intersted in HIGH SPEED WIRELESS service, please call 800-467-2346 Then we could log the calls, take their information, and if enough calls were recieved we could start talking to WISPS in adjoining areas to see if someone might be interested in providing service there. A market study if you will. Who makes a cheap box that I could hook to an OMNI with such a thing? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
I really don't want the hassle of providing the internet service - where to get the internet pipe, taking care of the customers, etc. Not my core business, and not one I feel like I can provide well. I was thinking that adjoining area WISP's would be able to provide a pipe, either by their connections with regional providers, microwave backhaul, etc, they could take care of installs to expand their coverage area, etc. I want an enviroment where both the WISP and US can make some money. Now, your a smart guy. If a tower owner in a town near your coverage area was able to bring to you a list of people that would be likely to sign up for service IF you had service available in that area, would you not look really hard at that? Me, I would be all over it like a fat kid on cake Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion Why not go ahead and sell them the service over this? Just have it take them to the signup page and process their credit card, add to radius, activate service? Scriv On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I got towers. Lots of them. Many don't have any kind of wireless service anywhere close, some don't have any kind of high speed service of any kind. I would like to put up on some of them, for a fairly short period of time, something like a hotspot, say a cheap router that people can connect to, they see a splash page that says If you are intersted in HIGH SPEED WIRELESS service, please call 800-467-2346 Then we could log the calls, take their information, and if enough calls were recieved we could start talking to WISPS in adjoining areas to see if someone might be interested in providing service there. A market study if you will. Who makes a cheap box that I could hook to an OMNI with such a thing? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
My thought is that you are unlikely to get much of a response from potential customers, although whatever response you did get would be a strong incentive to any WISP in the area, and it is certainly doable, Mikrotik could easily handle it. My reasoning is that all of my AP's broadcast a domain name which I would think would be a strong clue to anybody looking for service as to where to look for contact information, but I get very few calls as a result of broadcasting that domain name. Granted, having an informational page would be a better advertisement, but I can't see it being that much better. I might try it on some of my own APs. Have you considered (or tried) contacting WISP's that are in proximity to your towers? Do you have any towers close enough to me to do me any good? John Vogel Blake Bowers wrote: I really don't want the hassle of providing the internet service - where to get the internet pipe, taking care of the customers, etc. Not my core business, and not one I feel like I can provide well. I was thinking that adjoining area WISP's would be able to provide a pipe, either by their connections with regional providers, microwave backhaul, etc, they could take care of installs to expand their coverage area, etc. I want an enviroment where both the WISP and US can make some money. Now, your a smart guy. If a tower owner in a town near your coverage area was able to bring to you a list of people that would be likely to sign up for service IF you had service available in that area, would you not look really hard at that? Me, I would be all over it like a fat kid on cake Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion Why not go ahead and sell them the service over this? Just have it take them to the signup page and process their credit card, add to radius, activate service? Scriv On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I got towers. Lots of them. Many don't have any kind of wireless service anywhere close, some don't have any kind of high speed service of any kind. I would like to put up on some of them, for a fairly short period of time, something like a hotspot, say a cheap router that people can connect to, they see a splash page that says If you are intersted in HIGH SPEED WIRELESS service, please call 800-467-2346 Then we could log the calls, take their information, and if enough calls were recieved we could start talking to WISPS in adjoining areas to see if someone might be interested in providing service there. A market study if you will. Who makes a cheap box that I could hook to an OMNI with such a thing? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
http://www.frostytowers.com/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:43 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion My thought is that you are unlikely to get much of a response from potential customers, although whatever response you did get would be a strong incentive to any WISP in the area, and it is certainly doable, Mikrotik could easily handle it. My reasoning is that all of my AP's broadcast a domain name which I would think would be a strong clue to anybody looking for service as to where to look for contact information, but I get very few calls as a result of broadcasting that domain name. Granted, having an informational page would be a better advertisement, but I can't see it being that much better. I might try it on some of my own APs. Have you considered (or tried) contacting WISP's that are in proximity to your towers? Do you have any towers close enough to me to do me any good? John Vogel Blake Bowers wrote: I really don't want the hassle of providing the internet service - where to get the internet pipe, taking care of the customers, etc. Not my core business, and not one I feel like I can provide well. I was thinking that adjoining area WISP's would be able to provide a pipe, either by their connections with regional providers, microwave backhaul, etc, they could take care of installs to expand their coverage area, etc. I want an enviroment where both the WISP and US can make some money. Now, your a smart guy. If a tower owner in a town near your coverage area was able to bring to you a list of people that would be likely to sign up for service IF you had service available in that area, would you not look really hard at that? Me, I would be all over it like a fat kid on cake Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion Why not go ahead and sell them the service over this? Just have it take them to the signup page and process their credit card, add to radius, activate service? Scriv On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I got towers. Lots of them. Many don't have any kind of wireless service anywhere close, some don't have any kind of high speed service of any kind. I would like to put up on some of them, for a fairly short period of time, something like a hotspot, say a cheap router that people can connect to, they see a splash page that says If you are intersted in HIGH SPEED WIRELESS service, please call 800-467-2346 Then we could log the calls, take their information, and if enough calls were recieved we could start talking to WISPS in adjoining areas to see if someone might be interested in providing service there. A market study if you will. Who makes a cheap box that I could hook to an OMNI with such a thing? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
I realize that getting the potential user to actually pick up the phone and make the call is an issue - perhaps some kind of hit counter? Your area, define close... Closest we have is Crestline, but its a monster tower, 2 miles away from the TV tower. I have been trying to buy a tower just outside of Iola for a couple of years now, but can't get the owner to budge right now. Contacting other WISPS close. To be honest that has worked with mixed reviews. Many WISPS can't seem to put together a web page that has a lot of information, lacking things like WHERE THE HECK THEY ARE, area code on the telephone number or just giving out an 800 number, or having the only contact information being tech support which may or may not be the decision maker. I really don't understand why any wireless provider does not include a coverage map on their page... But I digress. I also don't want to be percieved as spam. I get lots of spam, and certainly don't want to be labeled it. Thanks for the ideas though. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion My thought is that you are unlikely to get much of a response from potential customers, although whatever response you did get would be a strong incentive to any WISP in the area, and it is certainly doable, Mikrotik could easily handle it. My reasoning is that all of my AP's broadcast a domain name which I would think would be a strong clue to anybody looking for service as to where to look for contact information, but I get very few calls as a result of broadcasting that domain name. Granted, having an informational page would be a better advertisement, but I can't see it being that much better. I might try it on some of my own APs. Have you considered (or tried) contacting WISP's that are in proximity to your towers? Do you have any towers close enough to me to do me any good? John Vogel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
ROFL... I take WISPS to task for their web page, and you bring mine up... I am so ashamed. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion http://www.frostytowers.com/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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LOL - I agree that a lot of WISP's don't make it clear who/where they are and what they offer via their web sites. My own site is far from perfect, but it has been a valuable asset in procuring business. Blake Bowers wrote: ROFL... I take WISPS to task for their web page, and you bring mine up... I am so ashamed. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion http://www.frostytowers.com/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
Yours had contact info, coverage maps, area served, you would be surprised how many don't have those things. I suspect they just feel that people should know Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion LOL - I agree that a lot of WISP's don't make it clear who/where they are and what they offer via their web sites. My own site is far from perfect, but it has been a valuable asset in procuring business. Blake Bowers wrote: ROFL... I take WISPS to task for their web page, and you bring mine up... I am so ashamed. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion http://www.frostytowers.com/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
I'd bet more often that is comes down to who you DON'T want to know. Brian Blake Bowers wrote: Yours had contact info, coverage maps, area served, you would be surprised how many don't have those things. I suspect they just feel that people should know Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "J. Vogel" jvo...@vogent.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion LOL - I agree that a lot of WISP's don't make it clear who/where they are and what they offer via their web sites. My own site is far from perfect, but it has been a valuable asset in procuring business. Blake Bowers wrote: ROFL... I take WISPS to task for their web page, and you bring mine up... I am so ashamed. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion http://www.frostytowers.com/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
Gotta show this off... http://inxwireless.com/coverage Thanks Brian =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: Yours had contact info, coverage maps, area served, you would be surprised how many don't have those things. I suspect they just feel that people should know Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion LOL - I agree that a lot of WISP's don't make it clear who/where they are and what they offer via their web sites. My own site is far from perfect, but it has been a valuable asset in procuring business. Blake Bowers wrote: ROFL... I take WISPS to task for their web page, and you bring mine up... I am so ashamed. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion http://www.frostytowers.com/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
Like I said, while far from perfect, my web site has been a valuable asset. I don't do any advertising other than the web site and a couple of small insignificant ads on community calendar type things - (primarily as a donation to the non-profit groups sponsoring the calendar). I get a number of calls from people who have found the web site through a web search, and those people say things like I see that I am in the shaded area on your map, letting me know that they have found me through the web site. Which reminds me that I need to update the map to show my current (expanded) service area... Blake Bowers wrote: Yours had contact info, coverage maps, area served, you would be surprised how many don't have those things. I suspect they just feel that people should know Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion LOL - I agree that a lot of WISP's don't make it clear who/where they are and what they offer via their web sites. My own site is far from perfect, but it has been a valuable asset in procuring business. Blake Bowers wrote: ROFL... I take WISPS to task for their web page, and you bring mine up... I am so ashamed. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion http://www.frostytowers.com/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
I understand the idea but I would suggest just putting up yard signs or snail mail flyers. I would say something along the lines High Speed Internet is Thinking of Your Area. Call 800-467-2346 if you are interested. Take information that way. There are some problems I see with the hotspot idea. First, this is an area with people not used to high speed internet so I think it would be very tough for them to figure out how to connect to the access point. Also, I would assume that not too many people out there have a need for a laptop or travel around with one if they do. Third, it would be much easier to make a simple flyer and mail it then trying to buy/configure/install a wireless hotspot. ESPECIALLY if you are looking at Mikrotik and have never used it before. -Jeff CTI There is a Difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Promotion I got towers. Lots of them. Many don't have any kind of wireless service anywhere close, some don't have any kind of high speed service of any kind. I would like to put up on some of them, for a fairly short period of time, something like a hotspot, say a cheap router that people can connect to, they see a splash page that says If you are intersted in HIGH SPEED WIRELESS service, please call 800-467-2346 Then we could log the calls, take their information, and if enough calls were recieved we could start talking to WISPS in adjoining areas to see if someone might be interested in providing service there. A market study if you will. Who makes a cheap box that I could hook to an OMNI with such a thing? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
To borrow an often used quote from Randy on another list... I encourage all of my competitors to do this. John Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I'd bet more often that is comes down to who you DON'T want to know. Brian -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
Anything I can do to help, Blake. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion ROFL... I take WISPS to task for their web page, and you bring mine up... I am so ashamed. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion http://www.frostytowers.com/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
If someone wants to know for competitive reasons, they'll know. Your customers won't go to those lengths, however. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion I'd bet more often that is comes down to who you DON'T want to know. Brian Blake Bowers wrote: Yours had contact info, coverage maps, area served, you would be surprised how many don't have those things. I suspect they just feel that people should know Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion LOL - I agree that a lot of WISP's don't make it clear who/where they are and what they offer via their web sites. My own site is far from perfect, but it has been a valuable asset in procuring business. Blake Bowers wrote: ROFL... I take WISPS to task for their web page, and you bring mine up... I am so ashamed. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion http://www.frostytowers.com/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: [WISPA Promotion] [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [WISPA Members] THE GENESIS OF UNLICENSED WIRELESS POLICY - An Information Economy Project Conference]]]
Anything specific interesting learned? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: [WISPA Promotion] [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [WISPA Members] THE GENESIS OF UNLICENSED WIRELESS POLICY - An Information Economy Project Conference]]] Sorry sent this to the promotions committeeoops! Just wanted everyone to know that Matt and I went to this conference on Friday that was put out by Jack Unger a couple of weeks ago. It was very interesting, a bit more academic than the usual conference, but well worth it. We met Tim Pozar from the Bay Area Wireless User Group and heard a host of others speak on unlicensed wireless. Their topics were actually papers they had each written. You can see them here: http://www.iep.gmu.edu/ Happy reading! Thanks to Jack Unger for sending. Martha Original Message Subject: [WISPA Members] THE GENESIS OF UNLICENSED WIRELESS POLICY - An Information Economy Project Conference Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:21:15 -0700 From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unlicensed wireless has become an industry, with hundreds of millions of radios in use today. These devices range from short-range wireless computer keyboards to microwave links with ranges of several miles. Among the most well known are wireless local area networks (WLANs) often referred to as Wi-Fi or 802.11. This conference will review the development of unlicensed wireless policy with the goal of assisting How Wi-Fi Got Its Regulatory Goovescholars in understanding how the current unlicensed policies came into being. It looks at the interplay between regulation and innovation and examines policy initiatives from industry and from inside the government. It also reviews technological and market responses to changes in regulation. The speakers include several individuals who were deeply involved with the development of unlicensed policy and of standards and devices that operated under that policy. This conference should prove informative to people interested in either spectrum policy generally or unlicensed wireless in particular. It may also interest students of regulation, innovation, or, more widely, law and economics http://www.iep.gmu.edu/UnlicensedWireless.php -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Design-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List --- -- http://www.dcaccess.net ___ Want to help the Committee? Help edit the Wiki at http://wikihost.org/wikis/wispa6. You need to register at http://wikihost.org to allow you to make edits. Promotion mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/promotion WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1 - Release Date: 3/26/2008 12:00 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: [WISPA Promotion] [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [WISPA Members] THE GENESIS OF UNLICENSED WIRELESS POLICY - An Information Economy Project Conference]]]
The focus was on the history and I wasn't aware of some of the history that was behind wireless. It wasn't truly technical, however, since I am on the non-technical end of things here, I learned a little of the technical. I also found the Bay Area project to be quite interesting in what they have done and how they got there. Martha Tom DeReggi wrote: Anything specific interesting learned? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: [WISPA Promotion] [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [WISPA Members] THE GENESIS OF UNLICENSED WIRELESS POLICY - An Information Economy Project Conference]]] Sorry sent this to the promotions committeeoops! Just wanted everyone to know that Matt and I went to this conference on Friday that was put out by Jack Unger a couple of weeks ago. It was very interesting, a bit more academic than the usual conference, but well worth it. We met Tim Pozar from the Bay Area Wireless User Group and heard a host of others speak on unlicensed wireless. Their topics were actually papers they had each written. You can see them here: http://www.iep.gmu.edu/ Happy reading! Thanks to Jack Unger for sending. Martha Original Message Subject: [WISPA Members] THE GENESIS OF UNLICENSED WIRELESS POLICY - An Information Economy Project Conference Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:21:15 -0700 From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unlicensed wireless has become an industry, with hundreds of millions of radios in use today. These devices range from short-range wireless computer keyboards to microwave links with ranges of several miles. Among the most well known are wireless local area networks (WLANs) often referred to as Wi-Fi or 802.11. This conference will review the development of unlicensed wireless policy with the goal of assisting How Wi-Fi Got Its Regulatory Goovescholars in understanding how the current unlicensed policies came into being. It looks at the interplay between regulation and innovation and examines policy initiatives from industry and from inside the government. It also reviews technological and market responses to changes in regulation. The speakers include several individuals who were deeply involved with the development of unlicensed policy and of standards and devices that operated under that policy. This conference should prove informative to people interested in either spectrum policy generally or unlicensed wireless in particular. It may also interest students of regulation, innovation, or, more widely, law and economics http://www.iep.gmu.edu/UnlicensedWireless.php -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Design-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List --- -- http://www.dcaccess.net ___ Want to help the Committee? Help edit the Wiki at http://wikihost.org/wikis/wispa6. You need to register at http://wikihost.org to allow you to make edits. Promotion mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/promotion WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1 - Release Date: 3/26/2008 12:00 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
[WISPA] [Fwd: [WISPA Promotion] [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [WISPA Members] THE GENESIS OF UNLICENSED WIRELESS POLICY - An Information Economy Project Conference]]]
Sorry sent this to the promotions committeeoops! Just wanted everyone to know that Matt and I went to this conference on Friday that was put out by Jack Unger a couple of weeks ago. It was very interesting, a bit more academic than the usual conference, but well worth it. We met Tim Pozar from the Bay Area Wireless User Group and heard a host of others speak on unlicensed wireless. Their topics were actually papers they had each written. You can see them here: http://www.iep.gmu.edu/ Happy reading! Thanks to Jack Unger for sending. Martha Original Message Subject: [WISPA Members] THE GENESIS OF UNLICENSED WIRELESS POLICY - An Information Economy Project Conference Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:21:15 -0700 From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unlicensed wireless has become an industry, with hundreds of millions of radios in use today. These devices range from short-range wireless computer keyboards to microwave links with ranges of several miles. Among the most well known are wireless local area networks (WLANs) often referred to as Wi-Fi or 802.11. This conference will review the development of unlicensed wireless policy with the goal of assisting How Wi-Fi Got Its Regulatory Goovescholars in understanding how the current unlicensed policies came into being. It looks at the interplay between regulation and innovation and examines policy initiatives from industry and from inside the government. It also reviews technological and market responses to changes in regulation. The speakers include several individuals who were deeply involved with the development of unlicensed policy and of standards and devices that operated under that policy. This conference should prove informative to people interested in either spectrum policy generally or unlicensed wireless in particular. It may also interest students of regulation, innovation, or, more widely, law and economics http://www.iep.gmu.edu/UnlicensedWireless.php -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Design-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List --- -- http://www.dcaccess.net ___ Want to help the Committee? Help edit the Wiki at http://wikihost.org/wikis/wispa6. You need to register at http://wikihost.org to allow you to make edits. Promotion mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/promotion WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: [WISPA Promotion] 2007 Internet Service Provider (ISP) Residential Satisfaction Study | J.D. Power and Associates
What if we contact the Media Relations persons and ask about the study and if WISPs were included. We could educate them on our services etc and make sure we are included next time? George Rogato wrote: http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2007210 We need to promote us wisps, I'm sure they didn't compare any of us in their study. Is this something wispa can do? ___ Promotion mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/promotion ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA Promotion] 2007 Internet Service Provider (ISP) Residential Satisfaction Study | J.D. Power and Associates
LOL, looks to me like they are only interested in talking about the bigger providers. Not a single regional player let alone local ones. I agree with you Martha. This report is likely way off the mark due to the lack of smaller provider's and their typically superior service levels. I think our promotions committee should take this on. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA Promotion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 5:30 AM Subject: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA Promotion] 2007 Internet Service Provider (ISP) Residential Satisfaction Study | J.D. Power and Associates What if we contact the Media Relations persons and ask about the study and if WISPs were included. We could educate them on our services etc and make sure we are included next time? George Rogato wrote: http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2007210 We need to promote us wisps, I'm sure they didn't compare any of us in their study. Is this something wispa can do? ___ Promotion mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/promotion ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Promotion of services on-list
Mike does have a point here, I am a subscriber of the list, and I have pondered this as well, I have seen direct promotion and links in plenty of signatures, I don't think the link to their site is bad, you can determine the site of most posters by their address, some you can't because they use a gmail address like mine to keep my own desktop free of the amount of mail that passes through this list daily, plus I like the by-thread organization it presents. I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a signature of this particular list should be allowed unless you pay for it. I do however think that a link to the mailers website would not offend the paying vendors, just not direct marketing of their products in their signature or in their posts. This would allow a list subscriber to contact another subscriber of the list without having to mail them back to their *maybe* list only address. Just my 2 cents. I'm not a paying vendor either, I just think that that makes sense. Zack On 5/17/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, tough crowd. Do I have to remove my company's name and link from my sig? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote your products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, nothing wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in paying for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA, then stop acting like one. Talking about products, pro-cons, best use, warranties etc., is all well and good. But to directly solicit business on this WISPA list-srv with a competitive product, is not an acceptable practice in my opinion. Apology not accepted. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Hi Frank, I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda. If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller Imagestream Router WAN Cards Force10 Networks Reseller - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list
Zack Kneisley wrote: I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a signature of this particular list should be allowed unless you pay for it. That gets into the incredibly fuzzy question of what counts as promotion, though. Let's take the email thread, as an example. If I'm the owner of SuperDeluxeEmail and post you should use my company because it's the best, that's probably self-promotion. What if I say you should use my company because I'm a WISPA member? Is that promotion, or an advertisement of the sort WISPA has been known to offer to paying vendor members? What if I don't disclose that I own SuperDeluxeEmail? What if I'm using a sock puppet to tell people how awesome SuperDeluxeEmail is? What if, instead of being the owner of the company, I'm just a minority investor? Or merely a very satisfied customer? What if I think it's a lousy company and I want you to use their service so you'll think it's lousy and join me in publicly bad-mouthing them? There's a lot of subtle levels here. Honestly, IMO a lot of the value of this list comes from the fact that a lot of different vendors are directly, or indirectly, represented here. A little self-promotion is probably inevitable, and probably healthy. (If you can't promote yourself and your business at least a little bit, you won't be in business for very long.) Giving WISPA money doesn't (or at least shouldn't) mean that everyone walks on eggshells around your booth in the ongoing trade show that is this mailing list, and doesn't mean that we'll overlook any problems or shortcomings in your product. Conversely, if you make a good product, we won't ignore it out-of-hand because you haven't yet tithed. (We'll probably encourage you to do so, but...) If we're going to start treating some folks differently based solely upon whether they're paying members of WISPA, this list loses a lot of its value. David Smith Employed by [[ That information is not available at your security clearance, citizen. ]] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list
On Thu, 17 May 2007, Zack Kneisley wrote: I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a signature of this particular list should be allowed unless you pay Not sure I'd go that far. I think email sigs are acceptable, regardless of the content or poster. I can tell you that I have a single signature file that I use and if it were not allowed on this (or some other) list, the I would just go to the trouble to not post on that list. There is value to the list members in the input of various people, regardless of their status with WISPA. However, I think the problem (in the case of what started this) was a little different. Personally, I think anything should be allowed in an email sig. I think answering questions is (and should be) allowed, even if the answer promotes a product you sell. I am a vendor member of WISPA and I sell consulting services as well as technical training for the Mikrotik RouterOS. I have been on this list since it's creation. I have been a vendor member for only a month or two. I have posted MANY answers to questions on this list, some of which were borderline advertisements. I have, also, paid for actual advertisements. If you look back through the archives, you'll see that my posts (most of them) have not been self promoting, however, I have gained MUCH value from having participated in this, and many other, lists. I think the problem that started this thread (and the original one) should have been handled offlist. I DO think, however, that blatant advertising, which WAS happening, should be kept to a minimum. I'm just glad I'm not the one who has to decide what is and is not appropriate. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list
I think the big problem here is that Dee almost never posts unless he's got something to sell folks. Naturally, people have to be able to talk about what they know. And when a person is selling a product he'd better know that better than anyone else eh? grin WISPA needs funds to accomplish anything though. And the vendor members pay 4x what the wisp members do for membership. With that comes some marketing rights and protections. Back in the day I spent quite a bit of time talking to Chris Night (anyone else remember Sparky of the isp-lists???) about how to run a good list. The most important thing is to make sure that people are on it and are there because of a perceived value to themselves. This means that folks need information, from whoever is giving it. It also needs financial support. When you start billing for ad content, those paying for it expect, and deserve, that those not paying for content won't be allowed to post ads. Especially not blatant ones. At the risk of offending folks (and none intended) I'll use Patrick and Dee as examples. Both are good guys, care about the industry, are deeply committed to what they do etc. Patrick is a paid member, Dee's not. Patrick answers general questions about issues whether he's got something to sell or not. Dee often tells people to contact him for a solution but doesn't help on list. See the difference? If you have solutions to problems, you have to offer them up, even if it doesn't benefit you directly. In this way you become a vital part of the success of the list. Personally I think one also has much more credibility. I don't usually read posts from anyone that's always hocking a product vs. giving away what he knows so that the rest of us can benefit from it. And no, I don't fall for the trick that friends use to get each other's names or products out there all of the time. I hope that Dee does join as a vendor member. I think that would be great. I also hope that Frank (and the other vendor members) can let this water run off his back. I also think that WISPA really should do a better job of policing our lists. We now have enough vendor members that we're seeing some overlap and we have more responsibilities to them. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list Zack Kneisley wrote: I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a signature of this particular list should be allowed unless you pay for it. That gets into the incredibly fuzzy question of what counts as promotion, though. Let's take the email thread, as an example. If I'm the owner of SuperDeluxeEmail and post you should use my company because it's the best, that's probably self-promotion. What if I say you should use my company because I'm a WISPA member? Is that promotion, or an advertisement of the sort WISPA has been known to offer to paying vendor members? What if I don't disclose that I own SuperDeluxeEmail? What if I'm using a sock puppet to tell people how awesome SuperDeluxeEmail is? What if, instead of being the owner of the company, I'm just a minority investor? Or merely a very satisfied customer? What if I think it's a lousy company and I want you to use their service so you'll think it's lousy and join me in publicly bad-mouthing them? There's a lot of subtle levels here. Honestly, IMO a lot of the value of this list comes from the fact that a lot of different vendors are directly, or indirectly, represented here. A little self-promotion is probably inevitable, and probably healthy. (If you can't promote yourself and your business at least a little bit, you won't be in business for very long.) Giving WISPA money doesn't (or at least shouldn't) mean that everyone walks on eggshells around your booth in the ongoing trade show that is this mailing list, and doesn't mean that we'll overlook any problems or shortcomings in your product. Conversely, if you make a good product, we won't ignore it out-of-hand because you haven't yet tithed. (We'll probably encourage you to do so, but...) If we're going to start treating some folks differently based solely upon whether they're paying members of WISPA, this list loses a lot of its value. David Smith Employed by [[ That information is not available at your security clearance, citizen. ]] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list
I think that the standard e-mail signature should be allowed for any member. It is the blaent advertising that should not be allowed. Dennis On 5/17/07, Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. That's what I was trying to get through as well, either enforcement of the rules or non-enforcement. Just make it equal across the board for those who do or do not pay certain dues. Zack On 5/17/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also think that WISPA really should do a better job of policing our lists. We now have enough vendor members that we're seeing some overlap and we have more responsibilities to them. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list Zack Kneisley wrote: I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a signature of this particular list should be allowed unless you pay for it. That gets into the incredibly fuzzy question of what counts as promotion, though. Let's take the email thread, as an example. If I'm the owner of SuperDeluxeEmail and post you should use my company because it's the best, that's probably self-promotion. What if I say you should use my company because I'm a WISPA member? Is that promotion, or an advertisement of the sort WISPA has been known to offer to paying vendor members? What if I don't disclose that I own SuperDeluxeEmail? What if I'm using a sock puppet to tell people how awesome SuperDeluxeEmail is? What if, instead of being the owner of the company, I'm just a minority investor? Or merely a very satisfied customer? What if I think it's a lousy company and I want you to use their service so you'll think it's lousy and join me in publicly bad-mouthing them? There's a lot of subtle levels here. Honestly, IMO a lot of the value of this list comes from the fact that a lot of different vendors are directly, or indirectly, represented here. A little self-promotion is probably inevitable, and probably healthy. (If you can't promote yourself and your business at least a little bit, you won't be in business for very long.) Giving WISPA money doesn't (or at least shouldn't) mean that everyone walks on eggshells around your booth in the ongoing trade show that is this mailing list, and doesn't mean that we'll overlook any problems or shortcomings in your product. Conversely, if you make a good product, we won't ignore it out-of-hand because you haven't yet tithed. (We'll probably encourage you to do so, but...) If we're going to start treating some folks differently based solely upon whether they're paying members of WISPA, this list loses a lot of its value. David Smith Employed by [[ That information is not available at your security clearance, citizen. ]] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.mikrotikconsulting.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list
Point well taken, I think I was trying to make the point that if Dee looked as if he was blatantly advertising the product by putting that service in their signature, then that *should* apply to everyone, don't you agree? I don't have a problem one way or another, I just want the rules to apply to everyone equally. I don't mind being able to advertise in my signature either. Zack Giga-Data, LLC The company that sells everything, consultant of all services, cheaper than anyone. Phone: (740)432-3130 (see what I mean) :-) On 5/17/07, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2007, Zack Kneisley wrote: I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a signature of this particular list should be allowed unless you pay Not sure I'd go that far. I think email sigs are acceptable, regardless of the content or poster. I can tell you that I have a single signature file that I use and if it were not allowed on this (or some other) list, the I would just go to the trouble to not post on that list. There is value to the list members in the input of various people, regardless of their status with WISPA. However, I think the problem (in the case of what started this) was a little different. Personally, I think anything should be allowed in an email sig. I think answering questions is (and should be) allowed, even if the answer promotes a product you sell. I am a vendor member of WISPA and I sell consulting services as well as technical training for the Mikrotik RouterOS. I have been on this list since it's creation. I have been a vendor member for only a month or two. I have posted MANY answers to questions on this list, some of which were borderline advertisements. I have, also, paid for actual advertisements. If you look back through the archives, you'll see that my posts (most of them) have not been self promoting, however, I have gained MUCH value from having participated in this, and many other, lists. I think the problem that started this thread (and the original one) should have been handled offlist. I DO think, however, that blatant advertising, which WAS happening, should be kept to a minimum. I'm just glad I'm not the one who has to decide what is and is not appropriate. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Zack Kneisley wrote: I don't have a problem one way or another, I just want the rules to apply to everyone equally. I don't mind being able to advertise in my signature either. I think that's the issue, though - where is the line between normal harmless customary stuff and blatant self-promotion? Also, that whole thing about I've used a lot of products for X and really truly believe Y is the best X there is, and I do coincidentally sell or service Y but that's beside the point, aka the Butch Evans Clause. :) David Smith #### #### ##### ### ## ### # ## ### ### ## #### ### # ## ## ## ## # # ## ### ### ### ## ## ### ### ## ## #### #### ##### ### ### ## ### ### # ## ## #### #### ##### ### ### ## ### ### # ## ## #
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WISPA has responsibilities to the Vendor members? Yikes. Isn't WISPA responsible to the Members and Industry first? I've resisted joining as a Vendor because I disagree with the commercial nature of it all. It is not the money, but rather the principle. When WISPA was being formed, I contributed about $2,000 in direct cash and Server Licenses to induce others to pay up, yet I have never been a member, let alone a FOUNDING MEMBER as some can claim. I got real discouraged to be throwing my weight behind the whole things and the VERY FIRST act of WISPA was to allow Charles to act as if it were his private list for marketing. Why did they do that? Because Charles gave them some freebies and support. WISPA has to decide if it is an Organization that is for Vendors to market to members or is it an Organization for the Industry to represent the needs of the Industry to Government, and other regulatory bodies. This period before elections is a good time have those discussions and see where all the proposed board members sit on the various issues. I for one would support a strict no self promotion policy in ANY email. Keep it to PAID ads (if you need them at all) and limit the number of those that can be distributed. A Vendor should be happy to support the Industry and should not expect a return or special privilege. Lest people jump on me for self promotion, I'll point out that I always try and point people to our Support Forums. This list should NOT become a free support arm for ANY Vendor too lazy or incompetent to set up their own support lines. This list should be for issues that affect the Industry. Your troubles with routing or bridging or particular brand of equipment, although important to you at the time, have very little to do with the Industry in general. There are other lists for that and also Vendors should have their own solutions to help you. So, this is what my day looks like. Now I'll get back to work. We're building 4 more towers this year and I get to run the Bobcat today. It'll be fun after all. Lonnie On 5/17/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the big problem here is that Dee almost never posts unless he's got something to sell folks. Naturally, people have to be able to talk about what they know. And when a person is selling a product he'd better know that better than anyone else eh? grin WISPA needs funds to accomplish anything though. And the vendor members pay 4x what the wisp members do for membership. With that comes some marketing rights and protections. Back in the day I spent quite a bit of time talking to Chris Night (anyone else remember Sparky of the isp-lists???) about how to run a good list. The most important thing is to make sure that people are on it and are there because of a perceived value to themselves. This means that folks need information, from whoever is giving it. It also needs financial support. When you start billing for ad content, those paying for it expect, and deserve, that those not paying for content won't be allowed to post ads. Especially not blatant ones. At the risk of offending folks (and none intended) I'll use Patrick and Dee as examples. Both are good guys, care about the industry, are deeply committed to what they do etc. Patrick is a paid member, Dee's not. Patrick answers general questions about issues whether he's got something to sell or not. Dee often tells people to contact him for a solution but doesn't help on list. See the difference? If you have solutions to problems, you have to offer them up, even if it doesn't benefit you directly. In this way you become a vital part of the success of the list. Personally I think one also has much more credibility. I don't usually read posts from anyone that's always hocking a product vs. giving away what he knows so that the rest of us can benefit from it. And no, I don't fall for the trick that friends use to get each other's names or products out there all of the time. I hope that Dee does join as a vendor member. I think that would be great. I also hope that Frank (and the other vendor members) can let this water run off his back. I also think that WISPA really should do a better job of policing our lists. We now have enough vendor members that we're seeing some overlap and we have more responsibilities to them. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list Zack Kneisley wrote: I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a signature of this particular list should be allowed unless you pay
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I'm just glad I'm not the one who has to decide what is and is not appropriate. That would be me! You don't want my job? Come on Butch, where is your sense of spirit? Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Zack, It is totallly impractical to create and have to (somehow) manage different email files for different lists, responses to clients, etc. One email file is the only practical way to go. jack Zack Kneisley wrote: On 5/17/07, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zack Kneisley wrote: I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a signature of this particular list should be allowed unless you pay for it. That gets into the incredibly fuzzy question of what counts as promotion, though. As I put it, I think there should be a limit of what should be included in a signature due to the fact that it could and is inevitably advertising your company. Let's take the email thread, as an example. If I'm the owner of SuperDeluxeEmail and post you should use my company because it's the best, that's probably self-promotion. I agree What if I say you should use my company because I'm a WISPA member? Is that promotion, or an advertisement of the sort WISPA has been known to offer to paying vendor members? Wispa vendor based advertising is, or should be limited to the specific advertisement only based posts that that vendor has paid for. What if I don't disclose that I own SuperDeluxeEmail? Good question, this is a fuzzy type of situation, and the person is being dishonest in posting their views because it is biased. they should disclose this info. Most companies do when they report on a financial partner. Ever watch the evening news when they report on a parent company? They purposely disclose this information. What if I'm using a sock puppet to tell people how awesome SuperDeluxeEmail is? Dishonest and shoud be treated so. What if, instead of being the owner of the company, I'm just a minority investor? Or merely a very satisfied customer? Disclose it then. What if I think it's a lousy company and I want you to use their service so you'll think it's lousy and join me in publicly bad-mouthing them? Not quite sure what you mean. There's a lot of subtle levels here. Honestly, IMO a lot of the value of this list comes from the fact that a lot of different vendors are directly, or indirectly, represented here. A little self-promotion is probably inevitable, and probably healthy. (If you can't promote yourself and your business at least a little bit, you won't be in business for very long.) Rules http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 5) No selling or self promotion allowed. Giving WISPA money doesn't (or at least shouldn't) mean that everyone walks on eggshells around your booth in the ongoing trade show that is this mailing list, and doesn't mean that we'll overlook any problems or shortcomings in your product. Conversely, if you make a good product, we won't ignore it out-of-hand because you haven't yet tithed. (We'll probably encourage you to do so, but...) Not talking about a booth, talking about direct advertisement in a community post. If we're going to start treating some folks differently based solely upon whether they're paying members of WISPA, this list loses a lot of its value. No, just no self promotion that you can buy this product through me in a general post. this doesn't mean you can't say this product is good because it does this and this It is all a little fuzzy, but I think signatures should be limited to a single link to their site, if not, the majority of the list is breaking the rules. If you don't agree, then maybe the rules need to be changed, or enforced differently. David Smith Employed by [[ That information is not available at your security clearance, citizen. ]] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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See inline comments Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler WISPA has responsibilities to the Vendor members? Yikes. Isn't WISPA responsible to the Members and Industry first? [Mac says:] We do have responsibilities to the paid vendors since their membership is a major form of financial support that enables/empowers us as an organization to accomplish the tasks we have before us. If we had no vendor members we wouldn't have very much capital to work with. Vendor members are a very important to us. I think that by treating our vendor members well we are putting our general membership and the industry first. The By-Laws are in place for a reason and that is to guide this organization, protect this organization and ultimately put the wireless operator in the driver's seat. I've resisted joining as a Vendor because I disagree with the commercial nature of it all. It is not the money, but rather the principle. When WISPA was being formed, I contributed about $2,000 in direct cash and Server Licenses to induce others to pay up, yet I have never been a member, let alone a FOUNDING MEMBER as some can claim. [Mac says:] Lonnie - I remember how enthused you were when we first started organizing WISPA. I don't understand what you mean by the commercial nature of it all. The only commercial part of WISPA is a paid vendor membership and I guess the collection of dues from wireless operators. How else would we ever collect enough revenue to do anything? I understand Love is free, but I understand you will love in the dark without money. I got real discouraged to be throwing my weight behind the whole things and the VERY FIRST act of WISPA was to allow Charles to act as if it were his private list for marketing. Why did they do that? Because Charles gave them some freebies and support. [Mac says:] NO - that's not even close to right and I think you know that. I am sorry if you got your feelings hurt, but if memory serves me - we all had a hand and input for the first WINOG. I don't know about anyone else, but I was thinking that this might be something for WISPA. A trade show put on by WISPA in the future. It didn't take any of us very long to realize that it was not an event that WISPA could do at the time seeing as how we didn't even have members yet - - although we did use it to get together and where the first dues (ever) were collected. I - like you and several others donated money way before there was even a due structure in place and way before WINOG 1. I didn't expect anything out of it and the only thing I wanted was to see WISPA get a start and once again - - what can you do without money? NO MONEY - NO LAWYER - - NO LAWYER - - NO BY-LAWS - - NO BY LAWS - - NO ORGANIZATION (non profit legal and all!) I THINK YOU OUGHT TO BE A VENDOR MEMBER and I think you need to be recognized as a vendor who stepped up to the plate in the EARLY days of forming up this organization with no expectation of special privileges - - just a good heart and concern for the industry! WISPA has to decide if it is an Organization that is for Vendors to market to members or is it an Organization for the Industry to represent the needs of the Industry to Government, and other Regulatory bodies. [Mac says:] That is not an issue! We aren't a money making company and I know you know this.. Will you support WISPA 100% in all of its financial dealings? I don't think you or anyone else on this list has pockets that deep. Do you think that we have no need of staff, a paid lobbyist, electricity, a building of our own in DC, Should we never have a paid President whose whole job is to lead this organization thus may stand a chance in leading the WHOLE INDUSTRY??? Trying to run WISPA (much less accomplish something) without money would be like you trying to run your business with no money! No Money - No business! This period before elections is a good time have those discussions and see where all the proposed board members sit on the various issues. [Mac says:] I agree 100% - - you see where I am standing eh? Lol I for one would support a strict no self promotion policy in ANY email. Keep it to PAID ads (if you need them at all) and limit the number of those that can be distributed. A Vendor should be happy to support the Industry and should not expect a return or special privilege. [Mac says:] I guess this will be one of those things decided by the current board. I have no trouble with email signatures as long as there are no direct advertisements attached to them. I think mine is OK, but then some of you may not due to the fact it has my VoIP companies web site attached. See below sig: Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Rayville, La. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief) www.mac-tel.us (VoIP sales) 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 (I ain't through - read on) Lest people jump on me for self promotion, I'll point out that I always try and point people to
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Jack, Actually, that is exactly what I do, you will notice the gmail address? I have a total of seven gmail addresses that I use. Some reply with a signature, some don't. I also use Outlook that has 4 pop accounts that it checks. Two accounts it checks send the same signature one that doesn't and another that sends an entirely different signature. This is why my signature, or lack thereof, is not present when I reply to this list. I don't self promote, because the rules say I shouldn't. This method is actually the most efficient, most organized, and the easiest way to sort, search, respond and recall messages that I have ever had in place in the past 18 years of using the internet. Gopher was alot simpler back then hu? lol I don't really have a preference of a sig or no sig or the use of more than One email file. I just would like clarification of what can or cannot be done accordance with this lists rules. Zack On 5/17/07, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zack, It is totallly impractical to create and have to (somehow) manage different email files for different lists, responses to clients, etc. One email file is the only practical way to go. jack Zack Kneisley wrote: On 5/17/07, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zack Kneisley wrote: I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a signature of this particular list should be allowed unless you pay for it. That gets into the incredibly fuzzy question of what counts as promotion, though. As I put it, I think there should be a limit of what should be included in a signature due to the fact that it could and is inevitably advertising your company. Let's take the email thread, as an example. If I'm the owner of SuperDeluxeEmail and post you should use my company because it's the best, that's probably self-promotion. I agree What if I say you should use my company because I'm a WISPA member? Is that promotion, or an advertisement of the sort WISPA has been known to offer to paying vendor members? Wispa vendor based advertising is, or should be limited to the specific advertisement only based posts that that vendor has paid for. What if I don't disclose that I own SuperDeluxeEmail? Good question, this is a fuzzy type of situation, and the person is being dishonest in posting their views because it is biased. they should disclose this info. Most companies do when they report on a financial partner. Ever watch the evening news when they report on a parent company? They purposely disclose this information. What if I'm using a sock puppet to tell people how awesome SuperDeluxeEmail is? Dishonest and shoud be treated so. What if, instead of being the owner of the company, I'm just a minority investor? Or merely a very satisfied customer? Disclose it then. What if I think it's a lousy company and I want you to use their service so you'll think it's lousy and join me in publicly bad-mouthing them? Not quite sure what you mean. There's a lot of subtle levels here. Honestly, IMO a lot of the value of this list comes from the fact that a lot of different vendors are directly, or indirectly, represented here. A little self-promotion is probably inevitable, and probably healthy. (If you can't promote yourself and your business at least a little bit, you won't be in business for very long.) Rules http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 5) No selling or self promotion allowed. Giving WISPA money doesn't (or at least shouldn't) mean that everyone walks on eggshells around your booth in the ongoing trade show that is this mailing list, and doesn't mean that we'll overlook any problems or shortcomings in your product. Conversely, if you make a good product, we won't ignore it out-of-hand because you haven't yet tithed. (We'll probably encourage you to do so, but...) Not talking about a booth, talking about direct advertisement in a community post. If we're going to start treating some folks differently based solely upon whether they're paying members of WISPA, this list loses a lot of its value. No, just no self promotion that you can buy this product through me in a general post. this doesn't mean you can't say this product is good because it does this and this It is all a little fuzzy, but I think signatures should be limited to a single link to their site, if not, the majority of the list is breaking the rules. If you don't agree, then maybe the rules need to be changed, or enforced differently. David Smith Employed by [[ That information is not available at your security clearance, citizen. ]] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP
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Zack, I salute you for your integrity and your ability to manage 11 email accounts. I, on the other hand, in my waking hours between 6 AM and 2 AM barely have the ability to keep up with email on a single Thunderbird email account. For me, practicality wins the day and I'll continue to try and manage and use one main email account that appends one sig file. I do agree that clarification of the rules is important long as we don't get into so much hairsplitting that life becomes totally impractical (well, not any more impractical than it already is anyway) :) Best Regards, jack Zack Kneisley wrote: Jack, Actually, that is exactly what I do, you will notice the gmail address? I have a total of seven gmail addresses that I use. Some reply with a signature, some don't. I also use Outlook that has 4 pop accounts that it checks. Two accounts it checks send the same signature one that doesn't and another that sends an entirely different signature. This is why my signature, or lack thereof, is not present when I reply to this list. I don't self promote, because the rules say I shouldn't. This method is actually the most efficient, most organized, and the easiest way to sort, search, respond and recall messages that I have ever had in place in the past 18 years of using the internet. Gopher was alot simpler back then hu? lol I don't really have a preference of a sig or no sig or the use of more than One email file. I just would like clarification of what can or cannot be done accordance with this lists rules. Zack On 5/17/07, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zack, It is totallly impractical to create and have to (somehow) manage different email files for different lists, responses to clients, etc. One email file is the only practical way to go. jack Zack Kneisley wrote: On 5/17/07, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zack Kneisley wrote: I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a signature of this particular list should be allowed unless you pay for it. That gets into the incredibly fuzzy question of what counts as promotion, though. As I put it, I think there should be a limit of what should be included in a signature due to the fact that it could and is inevitably advertising your company. Let's take the email thread, as an example. If I'm the owner of SuperDeluxeEmail and post you should use my company because it's the best, that's probably self-promotion. I agree What if I say you should use my company because I'm a WISPA member? Is that promotion, or an advertisement of the sort WISPA has been known to offer to paying vendor members? Wispa vendor based advertising is, or should be limited to the specific advertisement only based posts that that vendor has paid for. What if I don't disclose that I own SuperDeluxeEmail? Good question, this is a fuzzy type of situation, and the person is being dishonest in posting their views because it is biased. they should disclose this info. Most companies do when they report on a financial partner. Ever watch the evening news when they report on a parent company? They purposely disclose this information. What if I'm using a sock puppet to tell people how awesome SuperDeluxeEmail is? Dishonest and shoud be treated so. What if, instead of being the owner of the company, I'm just a minority investor? Or merely a very satisfied customer? Disclose it then. What if I think it's a lousy company and I want you to use their service so you'll think it's lousy and join me in publicly bad-mouthing them? Not quite sure what you mean. There's a lot of subtle levels here. Honestly, IMO a lot of the value of this list comes from the fact that a lot of different vendors are directly, or indirectly, represented here. A little self-promotion is probably inevitable, and probably healthy. (If you can't promote yourself and your business at least a little bit, you won't be in business for very long.) Rules http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 5) No selling or self promotion allowed. Giving WISPA money doesn't (or at least shouldn't) mean that everyone walks on eggshells around your booth in the ongoing trade show that is this mailing list, and doesn't mean that we'll overlook any problems or shortcomings in your product. Conversely, if you make a good product, we won't ignore it out-of-hand because you haven't yet tithed. (We'll probably encourage you to do so, but...) Not talking about a booth, talking about direct advertisement in a community post. If we're going to start treating some folks differently based solely upon whether they're paying members of WISPA, this list loses a lot of its value. No, just no self promotion that you can buy this product through me in a general post. this doesn't mean you can't say this product is good because it does this and this It is all a little fuzzy, but I think
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I think that WISPA does a great job policing its list. It ain't easy -- and there are many shades of gray. I for one think that you should have to pay 'something' to be involved on the lists. Either actually $ or advice points. (Many other forums use this method). Or have a fine for crossing the line. For instance, if Dee did cross the line, he is fined or bounced. To get back on, he has to join as a member. I try not to use a sig file here. But then Patrick and a few others pointed out that without one, no branding - and people don't associate other stuff to the P.I.T.A. on the lists :) Regards, Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO, Inc. http://4isps.com Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I hope that Dee does join as a vendor member. I think that would be great. I also hope that Frank (and the other vendor members) can let this water run off his back. I also think that WISPA really should do a better job of policing our lists. We now have enough vendor members that we're seeing some overlap and we have more responsibilities to them. laters, Marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I would agree! Hear hear! :) I do get good ads from them too! On 5/17/07, Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that WISPA does a great job policing its list. It ain't easy -- and there are many shades of gray. I for one think that you should have to pay 'something' to be involved on the lists. Either actually $ or advice points. (Many other forums use this method). Or have a fine for crossing the line. For instance, if Dee did cross the line, he is fined or bounced. To get back on, he has to join as a member. I try not to use a sig file here. But then Patrick and a few others pointed out that without one, no branding - and people don't associate other stuff to the P.I.T.A. on the lists :) Regards, Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO, Inc. http://4isps.com Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I hope that Dee does join as a vendor member. I think that would be great. I also hope that Frank (and the other vendor members) can let this water run off his back. I also think that WISPA really should do a better job of policing our lists. We now have enough vendor members that we're seeing some overlap and we have more responsibilities to them. laters, Marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.mikrotikconsulting.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Zack Kneisley wrote: Jack, Actually, that is exactly what I do, you will notice the gmail address? I have a total of seven gmail addresses that I use. Some reply with a signature, some don't. I also use Outlook that has 4 pop accounts that it checks. Two accounts it checks send the same signature one that doesn't and another that sends an entirely different signature. This is why my signature, or lack thereof, is not present when I reply to this list. I don't self promote, because the rules say I shouldn't. This method is actually the most efficient, most organized, and the easiest way to sort, search, respond and recall messages that I have ever had in place in the past 18 years of using the internet. Gopher was alot simpler back then hu? lol I don't really have a preference of a sig or no sig or the use of more than One email file. I just would like clarification of what can or cannot be done accordance with this lists rules. Zack That is alot of email accounts. I limit myself to two accounts that I actively check. My work account and my personal account. If I have a list I am involved in, I filter by the list-id header. If I am signing up for something I use the the email address tagging (rfc 2822) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those two features plus some filter rules works really nice to keep my inbox clean. There are a few sites that, do not like the + sign, those are generally spammy site and I dump them to a throwaway account. btw, gmail does support the +tag. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Your troubles with routing or bridging or particular brand of equipment, although important to you at the time, have very little to do with the Industry in general. That is your opinion. Mine is that using this list for any tech support, financial help, legal, regulatory , etc. is wide open and makes for interesting reading most of the time. That is why I am a member of the public list. I sign up for other lists in WISPA for various specific issues which are dedicated to building the industry like the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list and the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. Membership has its privileges whether you want to believe it or not. I still do not understand why you think it is rational to ask for WISPA to do this or that but feel no need to support us as a member now after we worked this hard to build the association. I think most of our members see great value in what we do. I know I do. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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- Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list WISPA has responsibilities to the Vendor members? Yikes. Isn't WISPA responsible to the Members and Industry first? I've resisted joining as a Vendor because I disagree with the commercial nature of it all. It is not the money, but rather the principle. When WISPA was being formed, I contributed about $2,000 in direct cash and Server Licenses to induce others to pay up, yet I have never been a member, let alone a FOUNDING MEMBER as some can claim. I got real discouraged to be throwing my weight behind the whole things and the VERY FIRST act of WISPA was to allow Charles to act as if it were his private list for marketing. Why did they do that? Because Charles gave them some freebies and support. Boy this is getting old. Lonnie, there was a FORMAL agreement in place between WISPA and Charles. He paid, out of profit, for the right to use the lists like he did. He was also the first one and we used the experience to fine tune what we do now. Again, you speak of things which you could/would have known about if you'd bothered to participate in an official capacity, or at least ask. WISPA has to decide if it is an Organization that is for Vendors to market to members or is it an Organization for the Industry to represent the needs of the Industry to Government, and other regulatory bodies. It's all of those Lonnie. Vendors are as much a part of the industry as are the WISP. Regulators are a part of what makes us who we are too. So are the customers. If you'll kindly go back over the bylaws you'll see that wisps HAVE to be a bulk of our board's make-up. We, as a board, protect our PAID vendors because that's the deal we made with them. They were given certain rights when they put their money where their mouths are. It's an incentive for other vendors to pony up. This period before elections is a good time have those discussions and see where all the proposed board members sit on the various issues. Very true. I for one would support a strict no self promotion policy in ANY email. Not practical. People have to be able to answer questions about what they know the most about. You have to be able to help people with Star OS questions and this is a good place to do it. The line gets drawn when someone asks about a Mikrotik problem and you tell the list to use your StarOS solution instead. And, those that help with general questions will often be given a longer leash than those that only speak up when it's in their own self interest. Again, it's about the health of the list as much as anything else. Keep it to PAID ads (if you need them at all) and limit the number of those that can be distributed. A Vendor should be happy to support the Industry and should not expect a return or special privilege. Yeah. That would be nice. Not reality though. Many of our current vendor members are certainly very philanthropic (sp???) though. Many have NEVER posted an ad. They all get 1 per quarter. Lest people jump on me for self promotion, I'll point out that I always try and point people to our Support Forums. This list should NOT become a free support arm for ANY Vendor too lazy or incompetent to set up their own support lines. Again, we don't mind the support here. It helps those of us not using the product make choices to or not to use it in the future. It also helps drive list membership and that helps drive association membership and ad sales. We also offer, at no charge to the vendors, specific vendor email lists that they can use as they see fit. This list should be for issues that affect the Industry. Technical issues affect us all. It's also very helpful to know what problems people are having and what they are doing about them. Keeping the customers happy is the MOST important part of our businesses. Your troubles with routing or bridging or particular brand of equipment, although important to you at the time, have very little to do with the Industry in general. I totally disagree with that. It's all important. There are other lists for that and also Vendors should have their own solutions to help you. Who needs yet another list? So, this is what my day looks like. Now I'll get back to work. We're building 4 more towers this year and I get to run the Bobcat today. It'll be fun after all. I LOVE Bobcats! Those things are a blast to play with. Someday I'm gonna find an excuse to buy one. Then I'm gonna paint it yellow and put TONKA stickers all over it :-) Stay safe, marlon Lonnie On 5/17/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the big problem here is that Dee almost never posts unless he's got something to sell folks. Naturally, people have to be able to talk
Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list
- Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list Clint Ricker wrote: Just making it known that blatant self-promotion by non-Vendor members is bad taste means that self-promotion is done at one's own risk--sure, I may let people know I offer a service, but I also may alienate all of my potential customers. And blatant self-promotion by vendor members is better, just because they gave WISPA some money? Yes. That's part of the deal they got when they signed up. Does it mean that they can post an ad every time they want? Not at all. But they can certainly let folks know when they have a solution that fits a question that was asked. AND they DO get to post ads according to the vendor member schedule. Right now that means once per quarter. (I'm not saying this is necessarily your opinion, either express or implied, it was just a really good place to interject the above.) I don't think it's fair or appropriate for any individual or any business entity to get preferential treatment just because they've made a (probably tax-deductible) donation. Donations to WISPA are NOT tax deducatble. WISPA is a 501c6 corp. That's a non profit LOBBYING corp. Dues are not deductable, but we're also able to do much more at the congressional level without getting in trouble for it. For the present sort of issue, really the only thing that should get anyone any special treatment is technical merit - if you make the best widget in the industry, a lot of people will say yup that's a mighty fine widget. Fortunately, I think most of the list agrees with this, at least in principle. The question is just what constitutes unnecessary self-promotion, and there's no single answer to that - it pretty much has to be decided on a case-by-case basis. (If I'm wrong, and there really is a significant paid vendor members = better than sentiment on the list, well, that's another story entirely.) David Smith Bureau 42 Enterprises Multigalactic -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/