Re: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service
100 songs wouldn't take very long to download. ;-) I believe I posted not long ago which frequencies Intel would be using. 2.3 - 2.7 GHz, 3.3 - 3.8 GHz, 5.1 - 5.8 GHz http://download.intel.com/network/connectivity/products/wireless/mobilize-your-internet.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service Why would I call and say anything to them? They are my competition, and they are doing a GREAT job... ;) Just heard from one of my installers tonight about a customer he went to last week who tried it and said it was terribly slow... so it wasn't just by chance that they didn't setup my modem correctly. My guess would be (from 8+ years of experience with this town) that college students are using whatever bandwidth is available at any given second. When we provided service to 15 college apartment complexes many years ago, it was a joke. Some students would queue up 100 songs to be downloaded and then just let it run all day while they were gone to class. It didn't matter how much bandwidth you gave a complex, they would use 100% of it. You are also forgetting that although WiMax may be available in 100 cities around the country, unless you have service in every one of those coverage areas, you will get to pay again. Compared with Sprint or ATT, in which I can pay $60/month and have coverage everywhere at the same speed... (and like Brad mentioned, be moving down the freeway at the same time). Also, is there a set frequency that WiMax uses? In my area, they are using 2.3ghz. Is that the same all over the country? Is that the frequency that Intel will build into their chips? Travis Microserv Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: I will have to disagree. Today the coverage may be poor, but give it some time. Heck DSL coverage still stinks and that's been around for years. With the Sprint Clearwire commitment and Intel backing thisIE building chips to integrate into laptops...you will see a big movement, probably similar to the Cellular boom. The spectrum is ready, the equipment is ready and getting even better. EVDO, GPRS, etc can't touch the speeds WiMAX is capable of. I would call DigitalBridge and ask them what the deal is. Maybe something wasn't provisioned right (if you know even a little about WiMAX you should now there is nothing simple about it.). I know of providers pulling over 6Mbps each way over BreezeMAX at 4 miles with indoor CPE. And that's at 50/50 downlink/uplink. I don't know how much more can say due to NDA's. So I better stop here. The point is I bet something wasn't right. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho abouta new localWiMAX service Hello Travis, Well now, this really doesn't come as any surprise, does it? grin I can easily get those speeds driving along nearly any interstate in the country at 80MPH with my Sprint Data Card. Again, the cellular providers will dominate the mobile user market if only simply because they have the coverage. Why would someone signup for BridgeMAXX (with a fraction of a fraction coverage area) for equal or in this case quite a bit slower access as compared to any of today's cellular provider data networks? Reminds me of the Sprint commercial where they are comparing coverage areas: Client Sprint BridgeMAXX Denver? Yes.Nope. Nashville? Yes.Nope. Boston? Yes.Nope. Wait, what was that again? Boston? Oh, nope. Vegas? Yes.YES!, err I mean nope, but we have limited coverage in Rexburg! lol Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new localWiMAX service Brad, I received our modem from BridgeMAXX and tested on Thursday last week. We were located about 1 mile from their tower in Rexburg, Idaho. We had full signal (all lights on top of the modem) while indoor. We ran several speed tests to Salt Lake City and Seattle. We purchased their up to 2meg service and the speed tests (using Speedtest.net, which has been very accurate on our test cable connection and test DSL connection) showed an average of 300kbps download and 450kbps upload. This was during the middle of the day (when most people are probably not using the service). Loading web pages was almost painful however... espn.com took almost 15 seconds to completely load
[WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service
OK, I can see the College point. But it's not WiMAX, it must be their backend. Sorry, I didn't realize they were competition. I am will to bet that if someone has built a system in 2.5Ghz they will have a shot at a roaming agreement. Sprint and Clearwire both know they can't do this alone, or even together. Some are choosing to run it in 2.5Ghz and others are opting for 2.3. Sprint/Clearwire will run 2.5, the death star will run 2.3. Currently from my understanding the Laptop chips will be in 2.5Ghz, currently no profile exists for 2.3. So the 2.3 rollouts are actually 2.5 WiMAX systems running 2.3Ghz chips. Patrick may have a better insight here. I guess my main point is don't downplay WiMAX in general, you can have the best radios, but if the providers backend sucks you can't see the radios shine. Disclaimer: I know very little about DigitalBridge, their network, or anything related. I just know that WiMAX works better than that when properly set up with a proper backend. Mike Bushard, Jr 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service Why would I call and say anything to them? They are my competition, and they are doing a GREAT job... ;) Just heard from one of my installers tonight about a customer he went to last week who tried it and said it was terribly slow... so it wasn't just by chance that they didn't setup my modem correctly. My guess would be (from 8+ years of experience with this town) that college students are using whatever bandwidth is available at any given second. When we provided service to 15 college apartment complexes many years ago, it was a joke. Some students would queue up 100 songs to be downloaded and then just let it run all day while they were gone to class. It didn't matter how much bandwidth you gave a complex, they would use 100% of it. You are also forgetting that although WiMax may be available in 100 cities around the country, unless you have service in every one of those coverage areas, you will get to pay again. Compared with Sprint or ATT, in which I can pay $60/month and have coverage everywhere at the same speed... (and like Brad mentioned, be moving down the freeway at the same time). Also, is there a set frequency that WiMax uses? In my area, they are using 2.3ghz. Is that the same all over the country? Is that the frequency that Intel will build into their chips? Travis Microserv Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: I will have to disagree. Today the coverage may be poor, but give it some time. Heck DSL coverage still stinks and that's been around for years. With the Sprint Clearwire commitment and Intel backing thisIE building chips to integrate into laptops...you will see a big movement, probably similar to the Cellular boom. The spectrum is ready, the equipment is ready and getting even better. EVDO, GPRS, etc can't touch the speeds WiMAX is capable of. I would call DigitalBridge and ask them what the deal is. Maybe something wasn't provisioned right (if you know even a little about WiMAX you should now there is nothing simple about it.). I know of providers pulling over 6Mbps each way over BreezeMAX at 4 miles with indoor CPE. And that's at 50/50 downlink/uplink. I don't know how much more can say due to NDA's. So I better stop here. The point is I bet something wasn't right. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho abouta new localWiMAX service Hello Travis, Well now, this really doesn't come as any surprise, does it? grin I can easily get those speeds driving along nearly any interstate in the country at 80MPH with my Sprint Data Card. Again, the cellular providers will dominate the mobile user market if only simply because they have the coverage. Why would someone signup for BridgeMAXX (with a fraction of a fraction coverage area) for equal or in this case quite a bit slower access as compared to any of today's cellular provider data networks? Reminds me of the Sprint commercial where they are comparing coverage areas: Client Sprint BridgeMAXX Denver? Yes. Nope. Nashville? Yes. Nope. Boston? Yes. Nope. Wait, what was that again? Boston? Oh, nope. Vegas? Yes. YES!, err I mean nope, but we have limited coverage in Rexburg! lol Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news
RE: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service
Again, why opt for a mobile service that has such limited coverage? Dell, HP and I'm sure others are and have been shipping laptops with your choice of cellular data cards built-in. They work well and nearly anywhere you have cellular coverage. I have yet to find an area where my phone works, but my data card doesn't. If DigitalBridge is lucky (real lucky) they might be absorbed by one of the cellular players, but why? The cellular guys don't need them. The DigitalBridge client base will be insignificant by comparison and they don't have any magical technology that can't be adopted by the cellular guys themselves. Have you not seen any of the ATT or Sprint commercials advertising their mobile Internet service? I've found the Internet here in a hole...in this pond...would you like some tea with your Internet? The Internet can't hide anymore. etc. They are really making a heavy advertising push and it is working. The speeds will continue to increase slowly, but the more important factor, coverage, is here now. I think it is safe to say the overwhelming majority of mobile users will rate coverage as far more important than speed. The speed available from today's cellular systems is more than enough for most of the mobile users needing it and it continues to get faster. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service OK, I can see the College point. But it's not WiMAX, it must be their backend. Sorry, I didn't realize they were competition. I am will to bet that if someone has built a system in 2.5Ghz they will have a shot at a roaming agreement. Sprint and Clearwire both know they can't do this alone, or even together. Some are choosing to run it in 2.5Ghz and others are opting for 2.3. Sprint/Clearwire will run 2.5, the death star will run 2.3. Currently from my understanding the Laptop chips will be in 2.5Ghz, currently no profile exists for 2.3. So the 2.3 rollouts are actually 2.5 WiMAX systems running 2.3Ghz chips. Patrick may have a better insight here. I guess my main point is don't downplay WiMAX in general, you can have the best radios, but if the providers backend sucks you can't see the radios shine. Disclaimer: I know very little about DigitalBridge, their network, or anything related. I just know that WiMAX works better than that when properly set up with a proper backend. Mike Bushard, Jr 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service Why would I call and say anything to them? They are my competition, and they are doing a GREAT job... ;) Just heard from one of my installers tonight about a customer he went to last week who tried it and said it was terribly slow... so it wasn't just by chance that they didn't setup my modem correctly. My guess would be (from 8+ years of experience with this town) that college students are using whatever bandwidth is available at any given second. When we provided service to 15 college apartment complexes many years ago, it was a joke. Some students would queue up 100 songs to be downloaded and then just let it run all day while they were gone to class. It didn't matter how much bandwidth you gave a complex, they would use 100% of it. You are also forgetting that although WiMax may be available in 100 cities around the country, unless you have service in every one of those coverage areas, you will get to pay again. Compared with Sprint or ATT, in which I can pay $60/month and have coverage everywhere at the same speed... (and like Brad mentioned, be moving down the freeway at the same time). Also, is there a set frequency that WiMax uses? In my area, they are using 2.3ghz. Is that the same all over the country? Is that the frequency that Intel will build into their chips? Travis Microserv Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: I will have to disagree. Today the coverage may be poor, but give it some time. Heck DSL coverage still stinks and that's been around for years. With the Sprint Clearwire commitment and Intel backing thisIE building chips to integrate into laptops...you will see a big movement, probably similar to the Cellular boom. The spectrum is ready, the equipment is ready and getting even better. EVDO, GPRS, etc can't touch the speeds WiMAX is capable of. I would call DigitalBridge and ask them what the deal is. Maybe something wasn't provisioned right (if you know even a little about WiMAX you should now there is nothing simple about it.). I know of providers pulling over 6Mbps each way over BreezeMAX at 4 miles with indoor CPE. And that's at 50/50
