Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
Running cable down the driveway is cheaper than putting in a solar repeater. :) On Apr 20, 2014, at 11:01 PM, Erik Anderson erik.ander...@hocking.net wrote: dmsolar.com has a pair of 150W for $365 with shipping. They used to be sold through Amazon On 4/18/2014 8:35 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West... I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt. At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses... -- On 4/18/2014 5:41 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) wrote: No. But I do have a site. http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff. 250 watts for my motorhome. At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging* was around $400. They have pretty high wind load so you’ll need a good structure to hold them up. I’ve also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc batteries than with anything else. I get them from the regional Interstate Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of new and have a 90 day warranty. Others have done a lot more of this than I have though. marlon From: Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit I'm interested as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM Subject: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
dmsolar.com has a pair of 150W for $365 with shipping. They used to be sold through Amazon On 4/18/2014 8:35 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West... I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt. At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses... -- On 4/18/2014 5:41 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) wrote: No. But I do have a site. http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff. 250 watts for my motorhome. At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging* was around $400. They have pretty high wind load so you'll need a good structure to hold them up. I've also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc batteries than with anything else. I get them from the regional Interstate Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of new and have a 90 day warranty. Others have done a lot more of this than I have though. marlon *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit I'm interested as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
Well, here, my power company simply says the equipment must be approved under these two standards... I have to show them the inverter and it's nameplate. I put in my own transfer switch and generator. Oddly enough, around here, as long as I am only working on MY property, I seem to be able to do most anything. -- On 4/19/2014 1:19 AM, Robert wrote: And the certified Labor... Remember that your grid-tie must be done by an electrician certified by your electric utility or there is hell to pay... And those guys know it Cha-Ching On 04/18/2014 09:49 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: The challenge is still the grid-tie inverter, which at this point may actually be more expensive than the panels themselves. But the whole thing is definitely on my short list of home improvement projects. -forrest On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote: I saw $.57 per watt on that site... $2300 will buy just about 4kW... My state is net meter as well. Forget the the market distorting incentive junk, at that price, they may make direct economic sense. -- On 4/18/2014 11:29 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: Finding panels under $1/watt are pretty easy, even less in quantity: http://www.wholesalesolar.com/solar-panels.html http://www.civicsolar.com/solar-panels It's getting low enough that I'm actually starting to consider putting in enough panels to zero out my electric bill as I live in a net metering state where I can sell kWH back to the utility at par (up to my annual usage). 1W of panel will generate 1.7kW/year in my climate, or $0.23cents/year of electricity. A 5 year payback is $1.15/watt, not counting all of the incentives. Aka... 30% federal tax rebate, a similar local rebate, and incentives of up to $1.50/watt ($6000maximum) from the local utility. -forrest On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West... I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt. At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses... -- On 4/18/2014 5:41 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181 tel:%28509.982.2181) wrote: No. But I do have a site. http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff. 250 watts for my motorhome. At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging* was around $400. They have pretty high wind load so you’ll need a good structure to hold them up. I’ve also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc batteries than with anything else. I get them from the regional Interstate Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of new and have a 90 day warranty. Others have done a lot more of this than I have though. marlon *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit I'm interested as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
No. But I do have a site. http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff. 250 watts for my motorhome. At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging* was around $400. They have pretty high wind load so you’ll need a good structure to hold them up. I’ve also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc batteries than with anything else. I get them from the regional Interstate Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of new and have a 90 day warranty. Others have done a lot more of this than I have though. marlon From: Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit I'm interested as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM Subject: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
+1 I have been buying my panels from Solar Blvd as well. Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® II, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone div Original message /divdivFrom: Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) o...@odessaoffice.com /divdivDate:04/18/2014 4:41 PM (GMT-06:00) /divdivTo: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org /divdivSubject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit /divdiv /divNo. But I do have a site. http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff. 250 watts for my motorhome. At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging* was around $400. They have pretty high wind load so you’ll need a good structure to hold them up. I’ve also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc batteries than with anything else. I get them from the regional Interstate Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of new and have a 90 day warranty. Others have done a lot more of this than I have though. marlon From: Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit I'm interested as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM Subject: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
Those are the best prices I've seen on panels yet..they are driving distance... Granted a full day of driving but hey if it's $600 in shipping On 04/18/2014 02:56 PM, Chris Hudson wrote: +1 I have been buying my panels from Solar Blvd as well. Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® II, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) Date:04/18/2014 4:41 PM (GMT-06:00) To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit No. But I do have a site. http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff. 250 watts for my motorhome. At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging* was around $400. They have pretty high wind load so you’ll need a good structure to hold them up. I’ve also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc batteries than with anything else. I get them from the regional Interstate Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of new and have a 90 day warranty. Others have done a lot more of this than I have though. marlon *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit I'm interested as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West... I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt. At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses... -- On 4/18/2014 5:41 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) wrote: No. But I do have a site. http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff. 250 watts for my motorhome. At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging* was around $400. They have pretty high wind load so you'll need a good structure to hold them up. I've also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc batteries than with anything else. I get them from the regional Interstate Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of new and have a 90 day warranty. Others have done a lot more of this than I have though. marlon *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit I'm interested as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
Finding panels under $1/watt are pretty easy, even less in quantity: http://www.wholesalesolar.com/solar-panels.html http://www.civicsolar.com/solar-panels It's getting low enough that I'm actually starting to consider putting in enough panels to zero out my electric bill as I live in a net metering state where I can sell kWH back to the utility at par (up to my annual usage). 1W of panel will generate 1.7kW/year in my climate, or $0.23cents/year of electricity. A 5 year payback is $1.15/watt, not counting all of the incentives. Aka... 30% federal tax rebate, a similar local rebate, and incentives of up to $1.50/watt ($6000maximum) from the local utility. -forrest On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West... I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt. At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses... -- On 4/18/2014 5:41 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) wrote: No. But I do have a site. http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff. 250 watts for my motorhome. At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging* was around $400. They have pretty high wind load so you'll need a good structure to hold them up. I've also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc batteries than with anything else. I get them from the regional Interstate Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of new and have a 90 day warranty. Others have done a lot more of this than I have though. marlon *From:* Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit I'm interested as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comj...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
I saw $.57 per watt on that site... $2300 will buy just about 4kW... My state is net meter as well. Forget the the market distorting incentive junk, at that price, they may make direct economic sense. -- On 4/18/2014 11:29 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: Finding panels under $1/watt are pretty easy, even less in quantity: http://www.wholesalesolar.com/solar-panels.html http://www.civicsolar.com/solar-panels It's getting low enough that I'm actually starting to consider putting in enough panels to zero out my electric bill as I live in a net metering state where I can sell kWH back to the utility at par (up to my annual usage). 1W of panel will generate 1.7kW/year in my climate, or $0.23cents/year of electricity. A 5 year payback is $1.15/watt, not counting all of the incentives. Aka... 30% federal tax rebate, a similar local rebate, and incentives of up to $1.50/watt ($6000maximum) from the local utility. -forrest On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West... I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt. At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses... -- On 4/18/2014 5:41 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181 tel:%28509.982.2181) wrote: No. But I do have a site. http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff. 250 watts for my motorhome. At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging* was around $400. They have pretty high wind load so you'll need a good structure to hold them up. I've also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc batteries than with anything else. I get them from the regional Interstate Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of new and have a 90 day warranty. Others have done a lot more of this than I have though. marlon *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit I'm interested as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 tel:269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
The challenge is still the grid-tie inverter, which at this point may actually be more expensive than the panels themselves. But the whole thing is definitely on my short list of home improvement projects. -forrest On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: I saw $.57 per watt on that site... $2300 will buy just about 4kW... My state is net meter as well. Forget the the market distorting incentive junk, at that price, they may make direct economic sense. -- On 4/18/2014 11:29 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: Finding panels under $1/watt are pretty easy, even less in quantity: http://www.wholesalesolar.com/solar-panels.html http://www.civicsolar.com/solar-panels It's getting low enough that I'm actually starting to consider putting in enough panels to zero out my electric bill as I live in a net metering state where I can sell kWH back to the utility at par (up to my annual usage). 1W of panel will generate 1.7kW/year in my climate, or $0.23cents/year of electricity. A 5 year payback is $1.15/watt, not counting all of the incentives. Aka... 30% federal tax rebate, a similar local rebate, and incentives of up to $1.50/watt ($6000maximum) from the local utility. -forrest On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West... I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt. At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses... -- On 4/18/2014 5:41 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) wrote: No. But I do have a site. http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff. 250 watts for my motorhome. At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging* was around $400. They have pretty high wind load so you'll need a good structure to hold them up. I've also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc batteries than with anything else. I get them from the regional Interstate Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of new and have a 90 day warranty. Others have done a lot more of this than I have though. marlon *From:* Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit I'm interested as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comj...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
And the certified Labor... Remember that your grid-tie must be done by an electrician certified by your electric utility or there is hell to pay... And those guys know it Cha-Ching On 04/18/2014 09:49 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: The challenge is still the grid-tie inverter, which at this point may actually be more expensive than the panels themselves. But the whole thing is definitely on my short list of home improvement projects. -forrest On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote: I saw $.57 per watt on that site... $2300 will buy just about 4kW... My state is net meter as well. Forget the the market distorting incentive junk, at that price, they may make direct economic sense. -- On 4/18/2014 11:29 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: Finding panels under $1/watt are pretty easy, even less in quantity: http://www.wholesalesolar.com/solar-panels.html http://www.civicsolar.com/solar-panels It's getting low enough that I'm actually starting to consider putting in enough panels to zero out my electric bill as I live in a net metering state where I can sell kWH back to the utility at par (up to my annual usage). 1W of panel will generate 1.7kW/year in my climate, or $0.23cents/year of electricity. A 5 year payback is $1.15/watt, not counting all of the incentives. Aka... 30% federal tax rebate, a similar local rebate, and incentives of up to $1.50/watt ($6000maximum) from the local utility. -forrest On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West... I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt. At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses... -- On 4/18/2014 5:41 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181 tel:%28509.982.2181) wrote: No. But I do have a site. http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff. 250 watts for my motorhome. At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging* was around $400. They have pretty high wind load so you’ll need a good structure to hold them up. I’ve also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc batteries than with anything else. I get them from the regional Interstate Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of new and have a 90 day warranty. Others have done a lot more of this than I have though. marlon *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit I'm interested as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan
Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
With solar you size it based on where you are and amount of potential sun that location would get. I agree more panels are better. There's also power consumption in any of the charging equip plus invertors if used. Also there are AGM type batteries (think that's it) which are better for solar than cat batteries. Been awhile since I researched this going on senior brain cells :-) Leon Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2014, at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel $280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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How do you guys secure these totes? Mix an 80 lb sack of Quickcrete in the bottom? Padlock on the outside -- one key for you and one for the customer? Do you run two pvc sweeps - one for current and one for cat-5? Anything to keep pests out of those sweeps? Do you insulate around the battery to prolong battery life during those long cold spells? Thanks. On 4/8/2014 5:01 PM, Chris Hudson wrote: I have a customer with an old telephone pole that wasn't used up the hill from his house and I put the following: (My costs) 1x Solar Cynergy 100W 12V panel - $125+shipping 1x Morningstar Sunsaver SS-10 10A, 12V Pwm Charge Controller $44.46+shipping 2x 35Ah SLA Batteries $65+tax each 2x TP-DCDC-1224 $32ish+shipping each 1x Tractor Supply Plastic Box $69.99+tax - http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/tractor-supply-coreg%3B-chest-32-in?cm _vc=-10005 1x RB-Sextant for the link to our tower 2x RB-Omnitik to link to house could be an RB-SXT and bridge it I think we charged $700 for the setup. Chris I just checked and it has been up for 220days. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit Yes, We got a pair of 100 Watt panels at a great price off newegg.com , no shipping, which for solar panels was a deal maker! Only used one panel. We build the mounts with Home Depot Superstrut and 1 conduit. ~$50 We used http://thesolarstore.com/charge-controllers-charge-controllers-morningstar-p rostar-charge-controller-volt-p-455.html ~$100 And a Walmart 124 Amp hour battery... ~$100 Good for 1.4 weeks no sun.. We use Mikrotik so we get remote voltage that way, use a 750UP for that with UBNT, but be sure and correct the voltage on your monitoring... You are working off 12V so you have to worry about your amperage through the 750UP, but with UBNT gear that shouldn't be a problem.. MT radios are a problem at 12V... So we use a 12-24V converter. ($70) We put it in a Walmart plastic tub. The one that is strong enough to stand on. ~$30 We figured we saved about $400 vs buying a pre-built solution. More like $700 over Tycon's solution. Panels were $299 for 2 they are still there. But just saw this which is a good deal too! Complete Solar Kit 200W: 2pcs 100W Solar Panels+20' Solar cable in Pair+PWM 30A Charge Controller+2 Sets Z Brackets+MC4 Branch Connectors Pair+Pair http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA29R0RA4028 On 04/08/2014 09:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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The cost of shipping the panel no doubt, that's why I'm trying to find a panel supplier in Ohio. The panels I got put out voltage but evidently don't trip the sunsaver to go into charge mode. I took Sam's advice and got the batteries and sunsaver and with just two batteries I can run a TS, bullet, pico2hp, loco2 for at least a couple of days with no solar panel. -- Original Message -- From: Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 12:27:15 -0500 Should be roughly the same power consumption. I used the spec sheets figuring the numbers would be higher than actual used. The only expense that makes me cringe in this setup (used it twice now) is the shipping cost, it cost as much to ship a single panel as the cost of the panel. If I was doing a lot of these I could cut the cost down quite a bit just by ordering 5-10 panels. On 04/08/2014 12:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I measured a NSM2 a long time ago, it's 4-5 watts according to my amp meter. I'm not doing a ToughSwitch, I'm avoiding them entirely. I'll be doing an rb750p. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: According to the spec sheets you are looking at 8W for the NS + 5.5W for the NB and probably another 6W for the TS (only shows maximum consumption which would include all POE ports active) so about 20W total consumption. Running it in a 24V configuration hence 2 12V batteries. I figured more like 5 days on the batteries by the time you figure in low voltage cutoff and winter conditions. I could have went with smaller batteries, but getting +40ah for $20/battery. I've had problems with equipment acting flakey when running UBNT with 12V power. My goal was as low maintenance as possible since the site is not easy to get to in the winter and did want to leave room in case I needed to add any equipment. The problem with sizing an all solar setup is you generally end up with overkill for 80% of the time since you are designing for crappy weather on the shortest days of the year with minimal sunlight and they tend not to be in places that it is easy to haul a generator to when your batteries die in the middle of a blizzard. On 04/08/2014 11:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel$280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Locked tote. We currently haven't been securing it to the ground, hasn't been an issue yet, but both of my locations are off road on private property. 4x125aH batteries weighs more than a bag of concrete :) Usually set the battery tote under the solar panel. Separate box for electronics attached directly to the tower. Holes drilled individually for the power leads that are the size of the cable. 2 styrofoam board underneath and on the sides of the battery tote. Best things I have found to keep pests out is insecticide laced cattle ear tags for bugs. Keeping mice out of larger conduit, stuff the ends with steel wool. On 04/09/2014 05:54 AM, Erik Anderson wrote: How do you guys secure these totes? Mix an 80 lb sack of Quickcrete in the bottom? Padlock on the outside -- one key for you and one for the customer? Do you run two pvc sweeps - one for current and one for cat-5? Anything to keep pests out of those sweeps? Do you insulate around the battery to prolong battery life during those long cold spells? Thanks. On 4/8/2014 5:01 PM, Chris Hudson wrote: I have a customer with an old telephone pole that wasn't used up the hill from his house and I put the following: (My costs) 1x Solar Cynergy 100W 12V panel - $125+shipping 1x Morningstar Sunsaver SS-10 10A, 12V Pwm Charge Controller $44.46+shipping 2x 35Ah SLA Batteries $65+tax each 2x TP-DCDC-1224 $32ish+shipping each 1x Tractor Supply Plastic Box $69.99+tax - http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/tractor-supply-coreg%3B-chest-32-in?cm _vc=-10005 1x RB-Sextant for the link to our tower 2x RB-Omnitik to link to house could be an RB-SXT and bridge it I think we charged $700 for the setup. Chris I just checked and it has been up for 220days. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit Yes, We got a pair of 100 Watt panels at a great price off newegg.com , no shipping, which for solar panels was a deal maker! Only used one panel. We build the mounts with Home Depot Superstrut and 1 conduit. ~$50 We used http://thesolarstore.com/charge-controllers-charge-controllers-morningstar-p rostar-charge-controller-volt-p-455.html ~$100 And a Walmart 124 Amp hour battery... ~$100 Good for 1.4 weeks no sun.. We use Mikrotik so we get remote voltage that way, use a 750UP for that with UBNT, but be sure and correct the voltage on your monitoring... You are working off 12V so you have to worry about your amperage through the 750UP, but with UBNT gear that shouldn't be a problem.. MT radios are a problem at 12V... So we use a 12-24V converter. ($70) We put it in a Walmart plastic tub. The one that is strong enough to stand on. ~$30 We figured we saved about $400 vs buying a pre-built solution. More like $700 over Tycon's solution. Panels were $299 for 2 they are still there. But just saw this which is a good deal too! Complete Solar Kit 200W: 2pcs 100W Solar Panels+20' Solar cable in Pair+PWM 30A Charge Controller+2 Sets Z Brackets+MC4 Branch Connectors Pair+Pair http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA29R0RA4028 On 04/08/2014 09:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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This one is actually in a big fenced field. The land owner has cattle and put a barbed wire fence up. Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® II, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone div Original message /divdivFrom: Erik Anderson erik.ander...@hocking.net /divdivDate:04/09/2014 5:54 AM (GMT-06:00) /divdivTo: wireless@wispa.org /divdivSubject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit /divdiv /divHow do you guys secure these totes? Mix an 80 lb sack of Quickcrete in the bottom? Padlock on the outside -- one key for you and one for the customer? Do you run two pvc sweeps - one for current and one for cat-5? Anything to keep pests out of those sweeps? Do you insulate around the battery to prolong battery life during those long cold spells? Thanks. On 4/8/2014 5:01 PM, Chris Hudson wrote: I have a customer with an old telephone pole that wasn't used up the hill from his house and I put the following: (My costs) 1x Solar Cynergy 100W 12V panel - $125+shipping 1x Morningstar Sunsaver SS-10 10A, 12V Pwm Charge Controller $44.46+shipping 2x 35Ah SLA Batteries $65+tax each 2x TP-DCDC-1224 $32ish+shipping each 1x Tractor Supply Plastic Box $69.99+tax - http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/tractor-supply-coreg%3B-chest-32-in?cm _vc=-10005 1x RB-Sextant for the link to our tower 2x RB-Omnitik to link to house could be an RB-SXT and bridge it I think we charged $700 for the setup. Chris I just checked and it has been up for 220days. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit Yes, We got a pair of 100 Watt panels at a great price off newegg.com , no shipping, which for solar panels was a deal maker! Only used one panel. We build the mounts with Home Depot Superstrut and 1 conduit. ~$50 We used http://thesolarstore.com/charge-controllers-charge-controllers-morningstar-p rostar-charge-controller-volt-p-455.html ~$100 And a Walmart 124 Amp hour battery... ~$100 Good for 1.4 weeks no sun.. We use Mikrotik so we get remote voltage that way, use a 750UP for that with UBNT, but be sure and correct the voltage on your monitoring... You are working off 12V so you have to worry about your amperage through the 750UP, but with UBNT gear that shouldn't be a problem.. MT radios are a problem at 12V... So we use a 12-24V converter. ($70) We put it in a Walmart plastic tub. The one that is strong enough to stand on. ~$30 We figured we saved about $400 vs buying a pre-built solution. More like $700 over Tycon's solution. Panels were $299 for 2 they are still there. But just saw this which is a good deal too! Complete Solar Kit 200W: 2pcs 100W Solar Panels+20' Solar cable in Pair+PWM 30A Charge Controller+2 Sets Z Brackets+MC4 Branch Connectors Pair+Pair http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA29R0RA4028 On 04/08/2014 09:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
I'm interested as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM Subject: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel $280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Yes, We got a pair of 100 Watt panels at a great price off newegg.com , no shipping, which for solar panels was a deal maker! Only used one panel. We build the mounts with Home Depot Superstrut and 1 conduit. ~$50 We used http://thesolarstore.com/charge-controllers-charge-controllers-morningstar-prostar-charge-controller-volt-p-455.html ~$100 And a Walmart 124 Amp hour battery... ~$100 Good for 1.4 weeks no sun.. We use Mikrotik so we get remote voltage that way, use a 750UP for that with UBNT, but be sure and correct the voltage on your monitoring... You are working off 12V so you have to worry about your amperage through the 750UP, but with UBNT gear that shouldn't be a problem.. MT radios are a problem at 12V... So we use a 12-24V converter. ($70) We put it in a Walmart plastic tub. The one that is strong enough to stand on. ~$30 We figured we saved about $400 vs buying a pre-built solution. More like $700 over Tycon's solution. Panels were $299 for 2 they are still there. But just saw this which is a good deal too! Complete Solar Kit 200W: 2pcs 100W Solar Panels+20' Solar cable in Pair+PWM 30A Charge Controller+2 Sets Z Brackets+MC4 Branch Connectors Pair http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA29R0RA4028 On 04/08/2014 09:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel $280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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More panel is better than less panel. ;-) Not sure I'd go less than half of that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:41:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel $280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: blockquote Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Robert's over here doing 1/3 of that, though. He's got a 15 watt load (two Ubnt, rb750p). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: More panel is better than less panel. ;-) Not sure I'd go less than half of that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:41:52 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel $280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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It gets to the key of any solar project, what's the exposure. We are out in NV where 100 watt panel and 2x124 amp hour batteries is more than enough all year to span cloudy sessions. We get one full day and we are recharged and rarely go a week without one day of enough sun to get another week of run time until we get the period that everything is fully charged. More panel gets you back up faster so Sam's setup will get him back to normal in 1/3 the time = 3x the clouds. BTW set your solar panels for the maximum sun declination. That's when days are the shortest and the need for power is the greatest and usually the weather is the worst. It also helps with the snow issue. By the time the sun is higher the days are longer and you make up for the bad angle with more exposure/better weather... On 04/08/2014 09:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel $280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Oh, so since I'm in Ohio I'm going to need at least the 290 watt panel =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Robert nos...@avantwireless.com wrote: It gets to the key of any solar project, what's the exposure. We are out in NV where 100 watt panel and 2x124 amp hour batteries is more than enough all year to span cloudy sessions. We get one full day and we are recharged and rarely go a week without one day of enough sun to get another week of run time until we get the period that everything is fully charged. More panel gets you back up faster so Sam's setup will get him back to normal in 1/3 the time = 3x the clouds. BTW set your solar panels for the maximum sun declination. That's when days are the shortest and the need for power is the greatest and usually the weather is the worst. It also helps with the snow issue. By the time the sun is higher the days are longer and you make up for the bad angle with more exposure/better weather... On 04/08/2014 09:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel $280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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It's actually worse than that... 2x124 amp hour batteries... 2 MTMtl5, and RB433AH with 1 watt 2.4 radio in it. More like 25 watts full load. nominal is more like 12 watts. 1 100 Watt panel.But again, it's very sunny here.I have a couple of remote locations that run 8 AMPS@12V 7x24x365 solar and people said we couldn't run them on what we do... On 04/08/2014 09:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Robert's over here doing 1/3 of that, though. He's got a 15 watt load (two Ubnt, rb750p). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: More panel is better than less panel. ;-) Not sure I'd go less than half of that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:41:52 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel $280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Honestly I have no clue what your exposure is like... Go off the sites at the solar panel stores that describe it and compare it to Northern Nevada... BUT if it's not critical to the customer, or the customer is willing to swap a battery or two out when things get bad, you can save a lot of cash. We also have a set of batteries that are always ready to go to any site(s) that get in battery trouble to make it a non-issue. That's what we do with the solar site batteries when we feel we aren't getting max performance out of them Replace them and they go in trickle backup.. On 04/08/2014 10:02 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Oh, so since I'm in Ohio I'm going to need at least the 290 watt panel =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Robert nos...@avantwireless.com mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com wrote: It gets to the key of any solar project, what's the exposure. We are out in NV where 100 watt panel and 2x124 amp hour batteries is more than enough all year to span cloudy sessions. We get one full day and we are recharged and rarely go a week without one day of enough sun to get another week of run time until we get the period that everything is fully charged. More panel gets you back up faster so Sam's setup will get him back to normal in 1/3 the time = 3x the clouds. BTW set your solar panels for the maximum sun declination. That's when days are the shortest and the need for power is the greatest and usually the weather is the worst. It also helps with the snow issue. By the time the sun is higher the days are longer and you make up for the bad angle with more exposure/better weather... On 04/08/2014 09:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel $280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___
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A lot of money can be saved if we get some sort of manual labor to solve any late December issues. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Robert nos...@avantwireless.com wrote: Honestly I have no clue what your exposure is like... Go off the sites at the solar panel stores that describe it and compare it to Northern Nevada... BUT if it's not critical to the customer, or the customer is willing to swap a battery or two out when things get bad, you can save a lot of cash. We also have a set of batteries that are always ready to go to any site(s) that get in battery trouble to make it a non-issue. That's what we do with the solar site batteries when we feel we aren't getting max performance out of them Replace them and they go in trickle backup.. On 04/08/2014 10:02 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Oh, so since I'm in Ohio I'm going to need at least the 290 watt panel =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Robert nos...@avantwireless.com mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com wrote: It gets to the key of any solar project, what's the exposure. We are out in NV where 100 watt panel and 2x124 amp hour batteries is more than enough all year to span cloudy sessions. We get one full day and we are recharged and rarely go a week without one day of enough sun to get another week of run time until we get the period that everything is fully charged. More panel gets you back up faster so Sam's setup will get him back to normal in 1/3 the time = 3x the clouds. BTW set your solar panels for the maximum sun declination. That's when days are the shortest and the need for power is the greatest and usually the weather is the worst. It also helps with the snow issue. By the time the sun is higher the days are longer and you make up for the bad angle with more exposure/better weather... On 04/08/2014 09:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel $280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing
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According to the spec sheets you are looking at 8W for the NS + 5.5W for the NB and probably another 6W for the TS (only shows maximum consumption which would include all POE ports active) so about 20W total consumption. Running it in a 24V configuration hence 2 12V batteries. I figured more like 5 days on the batteries by the time you figure in low voltage cutoff and winter conditions. I could have went with smaller batteries, but getting +40ah for $20/battery. I've had problems with equipment acting flakey when running UBNT with 12V power. My goal was as low maintenance as possible since the site is not easy to get to in the winter and did want to leave room in case I needed to add any equipment. The problem with sizing an all solar setup is you generally end up with overkill for 80% of the time since you are designing for crappy weather on the shortest days of the year with minimal sunlight and they tend not to be in places that it is easy to haul a generator to when your batteries die in the middle of a blizzard. On 04/08/2014 11:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel $280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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I measured a NSM2 a long time ago, it's 4-5 watts according to my amp meter. I'm not doing a ToughSwitch, I'm avoiding them entirely. I'll be doing an rb750p. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: According to the spec sheets you are looking at 8W for the NS + 5.5W for the NB and probably another 6W for the TS (only shows maximum consumption which would include all POE ports active) so about 20W total consumption. Running it in a 24V configuration hence 2 12V batteries. I figured more like 5 days on the batteries by the time you figure in low voltage cutoff and winter conditions. I could have went with smaller batteries, but getting +40ah for $20/battery. I've had problems with equipment acting flakey when running UBNT with 12V power. My goal was as low maintenance as possible since the site is not easy to get to in the winter and did want to leave room in case I needed to add any equipment. The problem with sizing an all solar setup is you generally end up with overkill for 80% of the time since you are designing for crappy weather on the shortest days of the year with minimal sunlight and they tend not to be in places that it is easy to haul a generator to when your batteries die in the middle of a blizzard. On 04/08/2014 11:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel $280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Or better yet, call some place like wholesale solar and have someone walk you through everything. The guy I talked to was really helpful in helping me do all of the calculations for northern Nebraska and walking me through all of the math. On a larger site (5 rockets and a TS, 4 batteries instead of 2) I have had the batteries drain to the point that low voltage cutoff kicked in due to snow on the panels. Brushed off the panels mid morning and the site comes right back up and thanks to the larger panel it ran the equipment all day and had enough wattage to charge the batteries to make it through the night without any issue. On 04/08/2014 12:09 PM, Robert wrote: Honestly I have no clue what your exposure is like... Go off the sites at the solar panel stores that describe it and compare it to Northern Nevada... BUT if it's not critical to the customer, or the customer is willing to swap a battery or two out when things get bad, you can save a lot of cash. We also have a set of batteries that are always ready to go to any site(s) that get in battery trouble to make it a non-issue. That's what we do with the solar site batteries when we feel we aren't getting max performance out of them Replace them and they go in trickle backup.. On 04/08/2014 10:02 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Oh, so since I'm in Ohio I'm going to need at least the 290 watt panel =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Robert nos...@avantwireless.com mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com wrote: It gets to the key of any solar project, what's the exposure. We are out in NV where 100 watt panel and 2x124 amp hour batteries is more than enough all year to span cloudy sessions. We get one full day and we are recharged and rarely go a week without one day of enough sun to get another week of run time until we get the period that everything is fully charged. More panel gets you back up faster so Sam's setup will get him back to normal in 1/3 the time = 3x the clouds. BTW set your solar panels for the maximum sun declination. That's when days are the shortest and the need for power is the greatest and usually the weather is the worst. It also helps with the snow issue. By the time the sun is higher the days are longer and you make up for the bad angle with more exposure/better weather... On 04/08/2014 09:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel $280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Should be roughly the same power consumption. I used the spec sheets figuring the numbers would be higher than actual used. The only expense that makes me cringe in this setup (used it twice now) is the shipping cost, it cost as much to ship a single panel as the cost of the panel. If I was doing a lot of these I could cut the cost down quite a bit just by ordering 5-10 panels. On 04/08/2014 12:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I measured a NSM2 a long time ago, it's 4-5 watts according to my amp meter. I'm not doing a ToughSwitch, I'm avoiding them entirely. I'll be doing an rb750p. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: According to the spec sheets you are looking at 8W for the NS + 5.5W for the NB and probably another 6W for the TS (only shows maximum consumption which would include all POE ports active) so about 20W total consumption. Running it in a 24V configuration hence 2 12V batteries. I figured more like 5 days on the batteries by the time you figure in low voltage cutoff and winter conditions. I could have went with smaller batteries, but getting +40ah for $20/battery. I've had problems with equipment acting flakey when running UBNT with 12V power. My goal was as low maintenance as possible since the site is not easy to get to in the winter and did want to leave room in case I needed to add any equipment. The problem with sizing an all solar setup is you generally end up with overkill for 80% of the time since you are designing for crappy weather on the shortest days of the year with minimal sunlight and they tend not to be in places that it is easy to haul a generator to when your batteries die in the middle of a blizzard. On 04/08/2014 11:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel$280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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You have to remember, in the winter the sun is much less available. There is no such thing as too much... only your tolerance for downtime! I have overshot the mark a few times. 120(min) watt Solar Panel Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller Solar Cable Tycon TP-DCDC-1224 Cabinet Batteries, at least 180amp hours, gives 3 days of no sun Tom Fadgen On Tuesday 08/04/2014 at 9:49 am, Josh Luthman wrote: Robert's over here doing 1/3 of that, though. He's got a 15 watt load (two Ubnt, rb750p). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: More panel is better than less panel. ;-) Not sure I'd go less than half of that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:41:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel $280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping �� $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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And cost ;) There is some room in that you can always add batteries or a panel (or swap out the panel). I guess my thought on Josh's original post was over engineer it, if the customer doesn't want to pay for the equipment you are out nothing (other than a customer you couldn't reach anyway). And if they do pay for it, you want something that is reliable since they are outlaying a good chunk of cash in their mind whether that is $500 or $1000 dollars. You don't want them saying I spent $500 for this setup and it dies in the middle of a snow storm, and you don't want to be running out to do maintenance on a site for a single customer in inclement weather which is about the only time you have problems with a solar setup. On 04/08/2014 12:45 PM, Tom Fadgen wrote: You have to remember, in the winter the sun is much less available. There is no such thing as too much... only your tolerance for downtime! I have overshot the mark a few times. 120(min) watt Solar Panel Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller Solar Cable Tycon *TP-DCDC-1224* *Cabinet* *Batteries, at least 180amp hours, gives 3 days of no sun* * * *Tom Fadgen* On Tuesday 08/04/2014 at 9:49 am, Josh Luthman wrote: Robert's over here doing 1/3 of that, though. He's got a 15 watt load (two Ubnt, rb750p). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: More panel is better than less panel. ;-) Not sure I'd go less than half of that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:41:52 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel$280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping ?? $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http
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Old proven trick: Give the customer 2-3 options. I like 2, since I find customers like simplicity. Cheap option, list the caveats and problems. Expensive option, get the most solid over engineered fool proof stuff out there. Let the customer decide if they want to be cheap or have a solid solution. If you have problems with the cheap one, they call and you fix it and charge appropriately. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: And cost ;) There is some room in that you can always add batteries or a panel (or swap out the panel). I guess my thought on Josh's original post was over engineer it, if the customer doesn't want to pay for the equipment you are out nothing (other than a customer you couldn't reach anyway). And if they do pay for it, you want something that is reliable since they are outlaying a good chunk of cash in their mind whether that is $500 or $1000 dollars. You don't want them saying I spent $500 for this setup and it dies in the middle of a snow storm, and you don't want to be running out to do maintenance on a site for a single customer in inclement weather which is about the only time you have problems with a solar setup. On 04/08/2014 12:45 PM, Tom Fadgen wrote: You have to remember, in the winter the sun is much less available. There is no such thing as too much... only your tolerance for downtime! I have overshot the mark a few times. 120(min) watt Solar Panel Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller Solar Cable Tycon *TP-DCDC-1224* *Cabinet* *Batteries, at least 180amp hours, gives 3 days of no sun* *Tom Fadgen* On Tuesday 08/04/2014 at 9:49 am, Josh Luthman wrote: Robert's over here doing 1/3 of that, though. He's got a 15 watt load (two Ubnt, rb750p). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: More panel is better than less panel. ;-) Not sure I'd go less than half of that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:41:52 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.netwrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel $280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping �� $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
Maybe you have better customers than I do, but mine will pick the cheap one and bitch like they paid for the expensive one every time something goes wrong with it. Maybe I'm just not that good of a salesman, I find it easier to just tell them this is what it costs, if that is too much I fully understand and they can find another option. When I started we did several motels and I took that approach and 3 of them have since moved on because I let them take the cheap option with the understanding that it will not have as good of coverage. All they seem to remember is they paid me money for an option that I suggested to them and it didn't work. Never mind the part about different options and what the trade offs were. To each their own, that was just my experience. On 04/08/2014 01:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Old proven trick: Give the customer 2-3 options. I like 2, since I find customers like simplicity. Cheap option, list the caveats and problems. Expensive option, get the most solid over engineered fool proof stuff out there. Let the customer decide if they want to be cheap or have a solid solution. If you have problems with the cheap one, they call and you fix it and charge appropriately. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: And cost ;) There is some room in that you can always add batteries or a panel (or swap out the panel). I guess my thought on Josh's original post was over engineer it, if the customer doesn't want to pay for the equipment you are out nothing (other than a customer you couldn't reach anyway). And if they do pay for it, you want something that is reliable since they are outlaying a good chunk of cash in their mind whether that is $500 or $1000 dollars. You don't want them saying I spent $500 for this setup and it dies in the middle of a snow storm, and you don't want to be running out to do maintenance on a site for a single customer in inclement weather which is about the only time you have problems with a solar setup. On 04/08/2014 12:45 PM, Tom Fadgen wrote: You have to remember, in the winter the sun is much less available. There is no such thing as too much... only your tolerance for downtime! I have overshot the mark a few times. 120(min) watt Solar Panel Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller Solar Cable Tycon *TP-DCDC-1224* *Cabinet* *Batteries, at least 180amp hours, gives 3 days of no sun* * * *Tom Fadgen* On Tuesday 08/04/2014 at 9:49 am, Josh Luthman wrote: Robert's over here doing 1/3 of that, though. He's got a 15 watt load (two Ubnt, rb750p). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: More panel is better than less panel. ;-) Not sure I'd go less than half of that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:41:52 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel$280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping ?? $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul
Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
Like I said, the newegg 100watt panels ended up being free shipping, that made the difference for us. For larger panels we are only 3 hours drive from wholesale solar, so we drive up to Shasta and pick them up. Last time we got 5 350 watt panels at .85/watt! On 04/08/2014 10:27 AM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Should be roughly the same power consumption. I used the spec sheets figuring the numbers would be higher than actual used. The only expense that makes me cringe in this setup (used it twice now) is the shipping cost, it cost as much to ship a single panel as the cost of the panel. If I was doing a lot of these I could cut the cost down quite a bit just by ordering 5-10 panels. On 04/08/2014 12:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I measured a NSM2 a long time ago, it's 4-5 watts according to my amp meter. I'm not doing a ToughSwitch, I'm avoiding them entirely. I'll be doing an rb750p. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: According to the spec sheets you are looking at 8W for the NS + 5.5W for the NB and probably another 6W for the TS (only shows maximum consumption which would include all POE ports active) so about 20W total consumption. Running it in a 24V configuration hence 2 12V batteries. I figured more like 5 days on the batteries by the time you figure in low voltage cutoff and winter conditions. I could have went with smaller batteries, but getting +40ah for $20/battery. I've had problems with equipment acting flakey when running UBNT with 12V power. My goal was as low maintenance as possible since the site is not easy to get to in the winter and did want to leave room in case I needed to add any equipment. The problem with sizing an all solar setup is you generally end up with overkill for 80% of the time since you are designing for crappy weather on the shortest days of the year with minimal sunlight and they tend not to be in places that it is easy to haul a generator to when your batteries die in the middle of a blizzard. On 04/08/2014 11:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel $280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___
Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
I have a customer with an old telephone pole that wasn't used up the hill from his house and I put the following: (My costs) 1x Solar Cynergy 100W 12V panel - $125+shipping 1x Morningstar Sunsaver SS-10 10A, 12V Pwm Charge Controller $44.46+shipping 2x 35Ah SLA Batteries $65+tax each 2x TP-DCDC-1224 $32ish+shipping each 1x Tractor Supply Plastic Box $69.99+tax - http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/tractor-supply-coreg%3B-chest-32-in?cm _vc=-10005 1x RB-Sextant for the link to our tower 2x RB-Omnitik to link to house could be an RB-SXT and bridge it I think we charged $700 for the setup. Chris I just checked and it has been up for 220days. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit Yes, We got a pair of 100 Watt panels at a great price off newegg.com , no shipping, which for solar panels was a deal maker! Only used one panel. We build the mounts with Home Depot Superstrut and 1 conduit. ~$50 We used http://thesolarstore.com/charge-controllers-charge-controllers-morningstar-p rostar-charge-controller-volt-p-455.html ~$100 And a Walmart 124 Amp hour battery... ~$100 Good for 1.4 weeks no sun.. We use Mikrotik so we get remote voltage that way, use a 750UP for that with UBNT, but be sure and correct the voltage on your monitoring... You are working off 12V so you have to worry about your amperage through the 750UP, but with UBNT gear that shouldn't be a problem.. MT radios are a problem at 12V... So we use a 12-24V converter. ($70) We put it in a Walmart plastic tub. The one that is strong enough to stand on. ~$30 We figured we saved about $400 vs buying a pre-built solution. More like $700 over Tycon's solution. Panels were $299 for 2 they are still there. But just saw this which is a good deal too! Complete Solar Kit 200W: 2pcs 100W Solar Panels+20' Solar cable in Pair+PWM 30A Charge Controller+2 Sets Z Brackets+MC4 Branch Connectors Pair+Pair http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA29R0RA4028 On 04/08/2014 09:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
