Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-11-18 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 11/18/2010 02:07 AM, Tom Reggi wrote: OOps. looks like the HTML tables were lost in transmission. To translate no channels were available. except for 4 of if at 40mw.. Would channels have been available if you were below the 75 meter limit? I'm seriously thinking of writing a Petition

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-11-17 Thread Mike Hammett
According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me. Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 8 Channels around here for me...

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-11-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
be any better than 4watt 900mhz? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-11-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
: Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes WOW you are lucky Checkout my availabilty, in the one area I was hoping to have atleast one channel, which is an agricultural reserve full of tall trees Available Channels Fixed TVBD 10m

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

2010-09-27 Thread Forbes Mercy
OK so in my area there is a three channel space of 26,27 and, 28 available. I guess my goal is to camp out on 27, knowing this how to I stake the claim and start working toward deployment? I know it's oversimplified but that's where I have to start. Forbes On 9/25/2010 8:37 PM, Mike

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

2010-09-27 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 9/27/2010 10:54 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote: OK so in my area there is a three channel space of 26,27 and, 28 available. I guess my goal is to camp out on 27, knowing this how to I stake the claim and start working toward deployment? I know it's oversimplified but that's where I have to start.

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

2010-09-27 Thread John Scrivner
There is no staking your claim. I pushed for that as part of a spectrum homesteading initiative which WISPA will not support...sadly. We probably had a good shot at it through all the lobbying efforts we did but the FCC Committee had people against the idea that building broadband service should

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

2010-09-27 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 09/27/2010 08:40 AM, John Scrivner wrote: There is no staking your claim. I pushed for that as part of a spectrum homesteading initiative which WISPA will not support...sadly. Well isn't this what whitespaces is supposed to prevent? Large amounts of exclusive spectrum already exists and

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

2010-09-27 Thread Rick Harnish
] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step There is no staking your claim. I pushed for that as part of a spectrum homesteading initiative which WISPA will not support...sadly. We probably had

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

2010-09-27 Thread Jeromie Reeves
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step There is no staking your claim. I pushed for that as part

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

2010-09-27 Thread Jack Unger
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step There is no staking your claim. I pushed for that as part of a spectrum

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped). Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels jumps it to the default

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Josh Luthman
I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I search. Maybe they're working on it? Maybe I'm doing something wrong? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Blair Davis
It is broke. Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead. Josh Luthman wrote: I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I search. Maybe they're working on it? Maybe I'm doing something wrong? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels? or will you need to pick 3 or 4? On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Brian Webster
Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 5:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like 2

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
That's another thing to remember... to have any usable throughput you're going to have to find several channels together. With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits. MT's N might double that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/25/2010 4:25

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 5:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Charles N Wyble
You have to hit show incumbents. If you just hit enter after putting in an address it doesn't show anything. The submit action appears to be the find address button which just finds you on the map. On 9/25/2010 1:52 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: I go to it and it seems there are no available

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a 10mhz channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear it just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate. Most of the area I am interested

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Josh Luthman
8 Channels around here for me... http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reeves

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me. Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time. 6 channels are reserved for wireless mics. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me. Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time. 6 channels are reserved for wireless mics. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Philip Dorr
According to that website channels 5-13 and a couple others, that are only 2 channels wide, are available here, but unless the local TV channels completely changed on the DTV switch 5 and 9 are in use. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:  According to

[WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-24 Thread Charles N Wyble
http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/ Kind of cool I think... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-24 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
looks awfully similar to what is on Spectrum Bridge's web site... :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 9/24/2010 6:48 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote:

[WISPA] TV Whitespaces 802.19.1 coexistance workshop

2010-07-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All, I'm sitting in this meeting and thought I'd take notes and let you know what's going on. This is NOT an IEEE function, it's done by the committee. I'll add to this note as I can. If anyone has questions they'd like me to ask fire them out and I'll pass them along. marlon

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-10 Thread Scottie Arnett
: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This may have already been answered or may not be exactly what you are looking for, but: http://showmywhitespace.com/ shows what is available. Scottie -- Original

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-09 Thread Steve Barnes
] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This may have already been answered or may not be exactly what you are looking for, but: http://showmywhitespace.com/ shows what is available. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-09 Thread RickG
. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Tom

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-08 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC You might have a lot of pigs

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-08 Thread Scottie Arnett
Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Tom, Could you give us a hint how we would find this info? Randy It might be a good idea for WISPs to look up

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Tom, Could you give us a hint how we would find this info? Randy It might be a good idea for WISPs to look up their Whitechannel availabilty in their areas

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-07 Thread Mike Hammett
...@smarterbroadband.net Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:52 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC You might have a lot of pigs, but I am guessing you haven't dealt with forest. I have areas where it takes a 200ft tower to mostly beat the foliage

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-06 Thread MDK
] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC 6MHz is a weird channel size for our industry traditionally but in 5MHz ~25Mbps aggregate would be comfortable. -Hal On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 07:39 -0700, Ryan Spott wrote: Hey Steve, I use the cable-cos as an example. They get 30Mbit/sec for 6Mhz

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Steve Barnes
-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread D. Ryan Spott
: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of Engineering and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters in Washington D.C. to discuss the status of WISPA's

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This is a great report good job guys

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Steve Barnes
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Awesome report! Thanks. Give me equipment capable of 20 watts

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Dylan Bouterse
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA Promotions Committee met

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Mike, though I agree that circular polarization could work. What channel width are you going to need to have a usable system. I mean in the VHF band of 54

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread John Scrivner
' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Awesome report! Thanks. Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors, a turnstile antenna on the CPE, and it would be a perfect fit for THIS rural market. At that power level, and circular polarization, I

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Mike, though I agree that circular polarization could work. What channel width are you going to need to have a usable system

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Ryan Spott
: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Awesome report! Thanks. Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors, a turnstile antenna on the CPE, and it would be a perfect fit for THIS rural

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
in their territory or not. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Harold Bledsoe
] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This is a great report good job guys and thank you. Next question. I don't know any of the team personally just from your posts. The picture in the report, can you give us a who's who left to right. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Ryan Spott
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Awesome report! Thanks. Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors, a turnstile antenna

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
In-line ... A Couple questions. 3. Is there something wrong or more encombersome with Bands 1-X (7?), that we dont know about or do know about? We know the size of radiators in the lower portion would be greater. However, lower frequencies propagate better, and a half wave

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Randy Cosby
Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivnerj...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC I am not sure where you get your assumptions

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Steve Barnes
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC I am not sure where you get your assumptions but they are not correct. Every television channel has

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 4/5/2010 11:02 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: A Couple questions. First, I would agree, any Whitespace spectrum is good spectrum for us, and better than none. But, why does the FCC keep hypothetically asking us what about VHF channels 1-x the lower part of the band? I think when we met

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
Leon: Innovation will be key. Yes, a 6 meter vertical is large. But, what if you bent that quarter wave into an odd shape? Think fractals, cloverleafs, and other HORIZONATL elements. Comparing what we'd HAVE to use compared to a TV Yagi is apples to oranges. Besides, most TV antennas I have

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Ryan Spott
Channel 2 (54-60 MHz) 102 259cm Channel 3 (60-66 MHz) 92 234cm Channel 4 (66-72 MHz) 83 211cm Channel 6 (82-88 MHz) 72 183cm A typical antenna for low-band VHF: http://www.antennacraft.net/pdfs/Y5-2-6.pdf from

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 4/5/2010 12:18 PM, Mike wrote: Leon: Innovation will be key. Yes, a 6 meter vertical is large. But, what if you bent that quarter wave into an odd shape? Think fractals, cloverleafs, and other HORIZONATL elements. Comparing what we'd HAVE to use compared to a TV Yagi is apples to

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
Just for discussion, let's say a TV LPDA has a gain of 8 dBi. It will cover the entire VHF TV band, and by superimposing a UHF LPDA on the same mast, can cover the entire UHF TV band with similar gain figures. I'd make this challenge: I could TRY to hide a TV band LPDA on my property and beg

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
in both intended and unintended areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Depends on the distance

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Awesome report! Thanks. Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
://www.ics-il.com -- From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:55 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Mike, though I agree that circular polarization

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
...@aweiowa.com Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 11:59 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Just for discussion, let's say a TV LPDA has a gain of 8 dBi. It will cover the entire VHF TV band, and by superimposing a UHF LPDA on the same

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC While it wouldn't need to cover the entire range, I'd expect at a most

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Then the problem

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:39 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Have you ever taken a really good look at an FM

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Ryan Spott
://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:39 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Have you ever taken a really good look at an FM

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC At 20watts, you probably won't need a 15db antenna. :) With lightly licensed, you probably won't need a sector. (less interference). With GPS timing (ala moto/cell gear) you will have less self-interference. ryan On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Ryan Spott
, April 05, 2010 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Then the problem arises of frequency reuse if we have such low gain antenna all over the place... and the size of a sector antenna for towers. - Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC My experience is mostly limited to the WISP market (though I'm not completely ignorant of other markets). Innovation is always welcome, but any sector that delivers approximately 90 degrees and 15 dBi performance is going to be huge. - Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
, April 05, 2010 2:15 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC You're not going to need 15 dBi. Link budgets are way different at VHF than Microwave. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
I was sent a private post asking what system, if I was designing it, I would deploy. Respecting that post, I'll just answer here. I think a form of spread spectrum technology, perhaps using coherent radios would be just the thing. Some of the best algorithms give those whose function it is to

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Greg Ihnen
: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Then the problem arises of frequency reuse if we have such low gain antenna all over the place... and the size of a sector antenna for towers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Greg Ihnen
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 3:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread RickG
, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Josh Luthman
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly) ryan On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-04 Thread RickG
, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly) ryan On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-04 Thread John Scrivner
12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly) ryan On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-04 Thread RickG
www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This would be UP TO 20

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Chuck Profito
4:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of Engineering and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Scott Reed
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 4:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA Promotions Committee met with top managers

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of Engineering and Technology (OET

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Ryan Spott
P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly) ryan On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Kurt

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Jack Unger
: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly) ryan On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces I'm still only about half way through, but I thought it was 2 years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-20 Thread John Valenti
see Antenna Requirements on page 101. Fixed device transmit antenna limited to MAX 30 meters high, also the receive antenna must be MIN 10 meter high. On Nov 20, 2008, at 2:48 AM, Jack Unger wrote: I don't think Fresnel is going to be too much of a problem. Which page did you pick up that

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-20 Thread Mike Hammett
PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Sorry Mike. I try to limit my time to responding only to serious, thoughtful comments. I don't normally respond to smart-a** comments because I just don't have any time

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-20 Thread Chuck McCown
, 2008 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces I don't see how what I said was any different than what Blair said, nor how what Blair said was any indication of using something that wouldn't be approved. If the rules are the same as the rules in other bands, once you have a 15 dBi yagi

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-20 Thread Jack Unger
. And no one at the FCC will stick their neck out far enough to say which one trumps the other. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces I

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-19 Thread Jack Unger
: Blair Davis To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Ubquity? Some kind of mini-pci card? Charles Wyble wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from the vendors

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-19 Thread Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Joe, The White Spaces are the unused television channels. In most major metro areas, many of the channels are in use by television broadcasters and other licensed users. Outside of major metro areas, there will be unused channels available that you can use

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-19 Thread Jack Unger
a success, then they will open up adjacent channels. Once they do that there will be holes everywhere. - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-19 Thread Chuck McCown
Hopefully forward error correction and directional antennas will make it possible. - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Anything's possible

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Perhaps once TVWS gets used and it proves a success, then they will open up

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Directional antennas and other interference

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-19 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Anything's possible but look at the shape of a DTV waveform and compare it to the shape of an OFDM broadband wireless signal. Now look at the space between those two waveforms if they are on adjacent channels. It's

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-19 Thread Jack Unger
don't have to use a 6 MHz channel. We could use 5 or 4 or whatever it takes to make it work. - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-19 Thread Blair Davis
to use a 6 MHz channel. We could use 5 or 4 or whatever it takes to make it work. - Original Message - From: "Jack Unger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [W

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-19 Thread Jack Unger
PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Directional antennas and other interference-avoidance techniques will help but for mass-market use (which is how the vendors visualize the TVWS) I suspect that it's going to be a long time before 1st adjacent channel use will be practical. Still

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-19 Thread Blair Davis
. - Original Message - From: "Jack Unger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Directional antennas and other interference-avoidance

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-19 Thread Blair Davis
, we don't have to use a 6 MHz channel. We could use 5 or 4 or whatever it takes to make it work. - Original Message - From: "Jack Unger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [W

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-19 Thread Jack Unger
, we don't have to use a 6 MHz channel. We could use 5 or 4 or whatever it takes to make it work. - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

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