Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-11-18 Thread Fred Goldstein

At 11/18/2010 02:07 AM, Tom Reggi wrote:

OOps. looks like the HTML tables were lost in transmission.
To translate no channels were available. except for 4 of if at 40mw..


Would channels have been available if you were below the 75 meter limit?

I'm seriously thinking of writing a Petition for Rulemaking to amend 
that 75 meter rule, basing lower power limits on the chart in the 
rules used for broadcasters to adjust ERP based on HAAT.



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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-11-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
OOps. looks like the HTML tables were lost in transmission.
To translate no channels were available. except for 4 of if at 40mw..

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


  - Original Message - 
  From: Tom DeReggi 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes


  WOW you are lucky Checkout my availabilty, in the one area I was hoping 
  to have atleast one channel, which is an agricultural reserve full of tall 
  trees

  Available Channels
  Fixed TVBD < 10m
  HAAT: 128.75 meters

  View Full Map


 2
19
36

 3
20
37

 4
21
38

 5
22
39

 6
23
40

 7
24
41

 8
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26
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 10
27
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 13
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48

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49

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50

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35




  HAAT also appears to be a killer preventing use in areas of rolling hills w/ 
  trees, most needy of 700Mhz.
  When in many cased Downtilt could have been a viable solutions, in some 
  bands.

  But, hey, thank god for rules that helped low power personal portable 
  devices.
  At 40mw max, I might be able to use 3-4 channels.

   19
  36

   3
  20
  37

   4
  21
  38

   5
  22
  39

   6
  23
  40

   7
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   8
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  42

   9
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  43

   10
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  44

   11
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  45

   12
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  48

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  32
  49

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  50

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  51

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  35




  So, 40mw can get me a few feet away, maybe to the ground of the tower  :-(

  BUT thats why BRianWebster's idea of Dual antenna radios (one for high gain 
  for recieve and one low gain for transmit) could be the savior.
  The ONLY possible useful use of the band would be to use such a radio.

  But will 40mw upper band channels be any better than 4watt 900mhz?

  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


  - Original Message - 
  From: "Mike Hammett" 
  To: "WISPA General List" 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes


  > According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me.  Assuming
  > their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time.
  >
  > -
  > Mike Hammett
  > Intelligent Computing Solutions
  > http://www.ics-il.com
  >
  >
  > On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  >> 8 Channels around here for me...
  >>
  >> 
http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx
  >>
  >> Josh Luthman
  >> Office: 937-552-2340
  >> Direct: 937-552-2343
  >> 1100 Wayne St
  >> Suite 1337
  >> Troy, OH 45373
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reeves 
  >> wrote:
  >>> That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a 10mhz
  >>> channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most
  >>> people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear it
  >>> just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate.
  >>>
  >>> Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels. One
  >>> has 2, and a 3rd has 10!  I am very interested in find the exact
  >>> contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible. Even
  >>> just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while.
  >>>
  >>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammett 
  >>> wrote:
  >>>>   That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable throughput
  >>>> you're going to have to find several channels together.
  >>>>
  >>>> With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might double 
  >>>> t

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-11-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
WOW you are lucky Checkout my availabilty, in the one area I was hoping 
to have atleast one channel, which is an agricultural reserve full of tall 
trees


Available Channels
Fixed TVBD < 10m
HAAT: 128.75 meters

View Full Map


  2
 19
 36

  3
 20
 37

  4
 21
 38

  5
 22
 39

  6
 23
 40

  7
 24
 41

  8
 25
 42

  9
 26
 43

  10
 27
 44

  11
 28
 45

  12
 29
 46

  13
 30
 47

  14
 31
 48

  15
 32
 49

  16
 33
 50

  17
 34
 51

  18
 35




HAAT also appears to be a killer preventing use in areas of rolling hills w/ 
trees, most needy of 700Mhz.
When in many cased Downtilt could have been a viable solutions, in some 
bands.


But, hey, thank god for rules that helped low power personal portable 
devices.

At 40mw max, I might be able to use 3-4 channels.

19
   36

3
   20
   37

4
   21
   38

5
   22
   39

6
   23
   40

7
   24
   41

8
   25
   42

9
   26
   43

10
   27
   44

11
   28
   45

12
   29
   46

13
   30
   47

14
   31
   48

15
   32
   49

16
   33
   50

17
   34
   51

18
   35




So, 40mw can get me a few feet away, maybe to the ground of the tower  :-(

BUT thats why BRianWebster's idea of Dual antenna radios (one for high gain 
for recieve and one low gain for transmit) could be the savior.

The ONLY possible useful use of the band would be to use such a radio.

But will 40mw upper band channels be any better than 4watt 900mhz?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" 

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes



According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me.  Assuming
their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

8 Channels around here for me...

http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reeves 
wrote:

That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a 10mhz
channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most
people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear it
just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate.

Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels. One
has 2, and a 3rd has 10!  I am very interested in find the exact
contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible. Even
just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while.

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammett 
wrote:

  That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable throughput
you're going to have to find several channels together.

With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might double 
that.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like
2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels?
or will you need to pick 3 or 4?

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davis 
wrote:

It is broke.  Usehttp://www.spectrumbridge.com  instead.



Josh Luthman wrote:

I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
wrong?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie 
Reeves

wrote:


Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does 
not
have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on 
channels
jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' 
always

results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
bing map of the location, and all buttons (ex

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-11-17 Thread Mike Hammett
According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me.  Assuming 
their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> 8 Channels around here for me...
>
> http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reeves  
> wrote:
>> That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a 10mhz
>> channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most
>> people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear it
>> just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate.
>>
>> Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels. One
>> has 2, and a 3rd has 10!  I am very interested in find the exact
>> contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible. Even
>> just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammett  
>> wrote:
>>>   That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable throughput
>>> you're going to have to find several channels together.
>>>
>>> With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might double that.
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like
 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels?
 or will you need to pick 3 or 4?

 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Daviswrote:
> It is broke.  Usehttp://www.spectrumbridge.com  instead.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
> search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
> wrong?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves
> wrote:
>
>
> Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
> 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
> Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
> have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
> jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
> results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
> bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
> back to the default. Any ideas?
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble
> wrote:
>
>
>http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/
>
> Kind of cool I think...
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Philip Dorr
According to that website channels 5-13 and a couple others, that are
only 2 channels wide, are available here, but unless the local TV
channels completely changed on the DTV switch 5 and 9 are in use.

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>  According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me.
> Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time.
> 6 channels are reserved for wireless mics.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 8 Channels around here for me...
>>
>> http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reeves  
>> wrote:
>>> That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a 10mhz
>>> channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most
>>> people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear it
>>> just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate.
>>>
>>> Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels. One
>>> has 2, and a 3rd has 10!  I am very interested in find the exact
>>> contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible. Even
>>> just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammett  
>>> wrote:
   That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable throughput
 you're going to have to find several channels together.

 With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might double that.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like
> 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels?
> or will you need to pick 3 or 4?
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davis    wrote:
>> It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
>> search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
>> wrong?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
>> 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
>> Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
>> have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
>> jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
>> results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
>> bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
>> back to the default. Any ideas?
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble
>>     wrote:
>>
>>
>>    http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/
>>
>> Kind of cool I think...
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
  According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me.  
Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time.  
6 channels are reserved for wireless mics.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> 8 Channels around here for me...
>
> http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reeves  
> wrote:
>> That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a 10mhz
>> channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most
>> people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear it
>> just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate.
>>
>> Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels. One
>> has 2, and a 3rd has 10!  I am very interested in find the exact
>> contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible. Even
>> just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammett  
>> wrote:
>>>   That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable throughput
>>> you're going to have to find several channels together.
>>>
>>> With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might double that.
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like
 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels?
 or will you need to pick 3 or 4?

 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Daviswrote:
> It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
> search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
> wrong?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves
> wrote:
>
>
> Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
> 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
> Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
> have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
> jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
> results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
> bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
> back to the default. Any ideas?
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble
> wrote:
>
>
>http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/
>
> Kind of cool I think...
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
  According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me.  
Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time.  
6 channels are reserved for wireless mics.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> 8 Channels around here for me...
>
> http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reeves  
> wrote:
>> That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a 10mhz
>> channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most
>> people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear it
>> just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate.
>>
>> Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels. One
>> has 2, and a 3rd has 10!  I am very interested in find the exact
>> contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible. Even
>> just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammett  
>> wrote:
>>>   That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable throughput
>>> you're going to have to find several channels together.
>>>
>>> With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might double that.
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like
 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels?
 or will you need to pick 3 or 4?

 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Daviswrote:
> It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
> search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
> wrong?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves
> wrote:
>
>
> Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
> 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
> Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
> have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
> jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
> results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
> bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
> back to the default. Any ideas?
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble
> wrote:
>
>
>http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/
>
> Kind of cool I think...
>
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Josh Luthman
8 Channels around here for me...

http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx

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On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:
> That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a 10mhz
> channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most
> people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear it
> just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate.
>
> Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels. One
> has 2, and a 3rd has 10!  I am very interested in find the exact
> contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible. Even
> just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while.
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammett  
> wrote:
>>  That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable throughput
>> you're going to have to find several channels together.
>>
>> With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might double that.
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>>> Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like
>>> 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels?
>>> or will you need to pick 3 or 4?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davis  wrote:
 It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.



 Josh Luthman wrote:

 I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
 search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
 wrong?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves
 wrote:


 Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
 Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
 have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
 jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
 results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
 bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
 back to the default. Any ideas?

 On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble
   wrote:


   http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/

 Kind of cool I think...


 
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a 10mhz
channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most
people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear it
just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate.

Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels. One
has 2, and a 3rd has 10!  I am very interested in find the exact
contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible. Even
just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while.

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>  That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable throughput
> you're going to have to find several channels together.
>
> With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might double that.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>> Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like
>> 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels?
>> or will you need to pick 3 or 4?
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davis  wrote:
>>> It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
>>> search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
>>> wrong?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
>>> 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
>>> Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
>>> have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
>>> jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
>>> results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
>>> bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
>>> back to the default. Any ideas?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble
>>>   wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/
>>>
>>> Kind of cool I think...
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Charles N Wyble
  You have to hit show incumbents. If you just hit enter after putting 
in an address it doesn't show anything. The submit action appears to be 
the find address button which just finds you on the map.



On 9/25/2010 1:52 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
> search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
> wrong?
>
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
  There's a good idea.  With the increasing amounts of customer upload 
traffic, a 50/50 system isn't necessarily all that bad.

-
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On 9/25/2010 8:29 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
> One idea that we could all think about is separate transmit and receive
> frequencies. WISP's are so used to half duplex radio systems they sometimes
> forget about that concept. This would allow you to make use of non
> contiguous channels and your latency would be real low.
>
>
>
> Brian
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 5:26 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes
>
> Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like
> 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels?
> or will you need to pick 3 or 4?
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davis  wrote:
>> It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
>> search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
>> wrong?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
>> 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
>> Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
>> have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
>> jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
>> results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
>> bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
>> back to the default. Any ideas?
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble
>>   wrote:
>>
>>
>>   http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/
>>
>> Kind of cool I think...
>>
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
  That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable throughput 
you're going to have to find several channels together.

With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might double that.

-
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On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like
> 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels?
> or will you need to pick 3 or 4?
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davis  wrote:
>> It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
>> search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
>> wrong?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
>> 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
>> Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
>> have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
>> jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
>> results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
>> bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
>> back to the default. Any ideas?
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble
>>   wrote:
>>
>>
>>   http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/
>>
>> Kind of cool I think...
>>
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Brian Webster
One idea that we could all think about is separate transmit and receive
frequencies. WISP's are so used to half duplex radio systems they sometimes
forget about that concept. This would allow you to make use of non
contiguous channels and your latency would be real low.



Brian


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Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 5:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like
2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels?
or will you need to pick 3 or 4?

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davis  wrote:
> It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
> search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
> wrong?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves 
> wrote:
>
>
> Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
> 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
> Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
> have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
> jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
> results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
> bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
> back to the default. Any ideas?
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble
>  wrote:
>
>
>  http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/
>
> Kind of cool I think...
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like
2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels?
or will you need to pick 3 or 4?

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davis  wrote:
> It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
> search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
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> Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
> 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
> Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
> have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
> jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
> results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
> bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
> back to the default. Any ideas?
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble
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>  http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/
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> Kind of cool I think...
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Blair Davis




It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.



Josh Luthman wrote:

  I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
wrong?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:
  
  
Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
back to the default. Any ideas?

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 wrote:


   http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/

Kind of cool I think...



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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Josh Luthman
I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
wrong?

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On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:
> Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
> 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
> Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
> have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
> jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
> results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
> bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
> back to the default. Any ideas?
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble
>  wrote:
>>  http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
back to the default. Any ideas?

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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-24 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
looks awfully similar to what is on Spectrum Bridge's web site...

:)

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[WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-24 Thread Charles N Wyble
  http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/

Kind of cool I think...



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