Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)
Actually, their new M series has 5.4 GHz certification.
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From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com
Sent: Friday, October 02
, 2009 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)
I think you guys know most of this already, but here is my take FWIW.
I'm not a WISP, but I spent 5 years leading the design and development of
an 802.11[agb] security system. We did our own polling solution based on
802.11e HCCA
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Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)
I think you guys know most of this already, but here is my take FWIW.
I'm not a WISP, but I spent 5 years leading the design and development of
an 802.11[agb] security
to think of the other guy down the line, it might even be you.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:05 AM
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, October 05, 2009 10:16 AM
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Agreed. We turn down power levels on a lot of things--for that reason.
i.e. we have a handful of customers that could spit and hit our tower.
Their OP is down as low as it'll go (5dB
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From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
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Agreed. We turn down power levels
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)
Actually, their new M
experience with
G-only mode in the field?
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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
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Yep it's too bad that many wireless ISPs have no interest in learning
about wireless.
Scottie Arnett wrote
At 11:15 PM 10/3/2009, Lawrence wrote:
...
All things being equal (which they often aren't) 802.11b will give
you a higher S/N and C/I than 802.11g, because in almost all cases
and especially at higher speeds. 802.11g has to lower the PA power
because of the PAPR of OFDM and meeting the 802.11g
th issue so we
raised our test AP up a little higher than the other one. As I said, the
test AP seems to be better, but next to it on top of the tower we can get
around 8 or 9 meg down (locked into G mode), but at the CPE's we're still
barely gett
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boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
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Yep it's too bad that many wireless ISPs have no interest in learning
about
Google has been a great solution to my ignorance. It's like downlading from the
Matrix :-)
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Of Brian Webster
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 7:29 AM
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On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 02:31 -0500, Scottie Arnett wrote:
Ok Jack, I have to admit, I have not read your book, but if it
reads like this discussion, I have no desire too, unless you 1.
either state that your book is for the advanced wireless subjects,
or 2. Thoroughly describe your acronyms.
and
collaborating with others who have similar interests and challenges.
Respectfully,
Rick Harnish
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Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:32 AM
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Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:32 AM
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Ok Jack, I have to admit, I have not read your book, but if it reads like
: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:32 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)
Ok Jack, I have to admit, I have not read your book, but if it reads like
this discussion, I have no desire too, unless you 1. either state that your
book is for the advanced wireless subjects
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)
Actually, their new M series has 5.4 GHz certification
25 subs on this one. LOTS of other 2.4 in the area.
marlon
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From: Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com
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Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:58 AM
Subject: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)
In 2.4 land, if you have a lot of noise
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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
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Actually, their new M series has 5.4 GHz certification.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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About 25 subs on this one. LOTS of other 2.4 in the area.
marlon
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From: Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com
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Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:58 AM
Subject: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)
In 2.4 land, if you have
: Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com
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Subject: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)
In 2.4 land, if you have a lot of noise, which protocol is better - B or
G?
Is it better to run an AP as locked into one mode
Hammett
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:42 PM
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Actually, their new M series has 5.4 GHz certification.
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Rubens Kuhl
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 7:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)
Curious note: Ubiquiti Nanostation 5 is 5.4 GHz certified in .br,
which has similar
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From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 2:42 PM
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On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 11:08:02PM -0400, David Hulsebus wrote:
I have used 411 AP's with XR5 cards and NS5L's with good success in
small
test AP has a 9db
antenna compared to the 13db on the production AP. Other than that, they
are identical as far as equipment goes.
So, back to the subject question though, what's real-world experience with
G-only mode in the field
though, what's real-world experience with
G-only mode in the field?
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st" AP has a 9db
antenna compared to the 13db on the "production" AP. Other than that, they
are identical as far as equipment goes.
So, back to the subject question though, what's real-world experience with
G-only mode in the field?
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Wow... are we really going to start this _again_?
I started in 1997 with WaveLan 900mhz ISA cards in DOS based 386 PC
routers using Novell drivers to make a router box. We have used
WaveLan, Solectek, Orinoco, CM3's, 3Com, Trango, Mikrotik and lately
Canopy. I have built a network from 0
Here was the original part of the message (that somehow got left off
your reply):
"For a very long time we got caught in the Canopy mentality "my Canopy
is
better than your any other vendor here" We finally opened our eyes, got
jumped out of the gang, and are very happy we did. It seems a
I built one of the very first Canopy networks back in 2002. Joe
Schneider even sat at my desk and helped configure the first
cluster. We even helped them iron out some problems with the early
CMM. Ken Magro was near the top of my speed dial list.
The only serious competition at the time was
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 11:08:02PM -0400, David Hulsebus wrote:
I have used 411 AP's with XR5 cards and NS5L's with good success in
small subdivision projects. 1/2 to 1 mile using 5M channels running G,
mostly horizontal. We lock the rates lower than 54 if we see any CCQ
numbers
, 2009 3:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 11:08:02PM -0400, David Hulsebus wrote:
I have used 411 AP's with XR5 cards and NS5L's with good success in
small subdivision projects. 1/2 to 1 mile using 5M channels running G,
mostly
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 11:08:02PM -0400, David Hulsebus wrote:
I have used 411 AP's with XR5 cards and NS5L's with good success in
small
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 11:08:02PM -0400, David Hulsebus wrote:
I have used 411 AP's with XR5 cards and NS5L's with good success in
small subdivision projects. 1/2 to 1 mile using 5M channels running G,
mostly horizontal. We lock the rates lower than
: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)
Actually, their new M series has 5.4 GHz certification.
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From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 2:42 PM
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as equipment goes.
So, back to the subject question though, what's real-world experience with
G-only mode in the field?
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can. The new test AP has a 9db
antenna compared to the 13db on the production AP. Other than that, they
are identical as far as equipment goes.
So, back to the subject question though, what's real-world experience with
G-only mode in the field
, what's real-world experience
with
G-only mode in the field?
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thoughts? We changed everything we can. The new test AP has a
9db
antenna compared to the 13db on the production AP. Other than that,
they
are identical as far as equipment goes.
So, back to the subject question though, what's real-world experience
with
G-only mode
. Other
than that,
they
are identical as far as equipment goes.
So, back to the subject question though, what's real-world experience
with
G-only mode in the field
we have
up to see if it makes a difference on the couple of clients we have on there
right now.
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Of Jason Hensley
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)
Smaller channel sizes is one thing we haven't done yet, but we can'd do it
permanently unless we swap out a few CPE's. Have a couple of older
antenna compared to the 13db on the production AP. Other than that, they
are identical as far as equipment goes.
So, back to the subject question though, what's real-world experience with
G-only mode in the field
to the subject question though, what's real-world experience with
G-only mode in the field?
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to the subject question though, what's real-world experience
with
G-only mode in the field?
WISPA Wants You! Join today!
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, what's real-world experience
with
G-only mode in the field?
WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org
a
9db
antenna compared to the 13db on the production AP. Other than
that,
they
are identical as far as equipment goes.
So, back to the subject question though, what's real-world
experience
with
G-only mode in the field
We get a capital fee up front that covers most of the equipment
charges. It was harder a few years ago with $380.00 radios, but like
most electronic stuff they keep getting better and cheaper. Soon
they will just be giving them to us. :-)
At 06:49 PM 10/1/2009, you wrote:
Like I said, we
compared to the 13db on the production AP. Other than that, they
are identical as far as equipment goes.
So, back to the subject question though, what's real-world experience with
G-only mode in the field?
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equipment goes.
So, back to the subject question though, what's real-world
experience
with
On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 19:47 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote:
As soon as you can offer 7ms latency to 100 people off the same AP
using WiFi based radios, please let me know. I will buy 200 AP's and
5,000 CPE. ;)
That kind of density is NOT necessary for MANY WISPs. I know that is
the cry that
You'll see a dramatic improvement by upgrading from Wrap to Alix. Our net
throughput easily doubled when we did that.
Tom S.
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though, what's real-world experience with
G-only mode in the field?
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Yes, how childish. Don't ever talk bad about Canopy to a Canopy Operator.
It'll get them all flustered and they start flaming. I find it pretty
hilarious, really. I've come to surmise that the reason EVERY Canopy
Operator gets so pissed off when you talk about anything non-Canopy is
because
I agree. We first started as a Canopy 900 Mhz WISP. We have lots and I mean
lots of hills around here. You normally can not go over 3 hundred feet without
hitting a hill in your way. We started by using 900Mhz Canopy equipment. I will
hear disputes from my partnerbut it is still the same.
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We've been running B mode since 2004. I dont lock the rates down but
always shoot for 11Mbps. I like the idea of G mode but every time I
try it, performance drops on the customer
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