For telcos, that assistance was in the form of CALEA complaint software upgrades for a very few brands of switches. If you were Nortel you were OK. I think the same thing with GTE but the switches we had did not have an FBI supplied software load so we got zero assistance for CALEA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Muto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade AssociationWas:Report: FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking
> Since when is the discussion about CALEA been about whether it is good? > Are you even in the same thread? The key take away > from WISPA's involvement was a useable standard that LEA can work with, as > each WISP can then provide the LEA with the > information as is available within their network, as provided for within > the statue of CALEA. > > The wire-line side, e.g., telcos, dealt with CALEA on a different level > because of the amount of information readily > available through standards already in existence and others made available > since 1994 and updated again in August of 1999 for > cellular and personal communications services. Unfortunately the telcos, > i.e., telecommunications carriers were provided with > greater assistance in their efforts to become compliant, where as the > WISP's and VOIP providers were not afforded the same. > > Compliance with CALEA is available in 3 ways, 1. A service provider may > develop its own compliance solution for its unique > network, e.g, a WISP. 2. may purchase a compliance solution from vendors, > or 3. purchase a compliance solution from a trusted > third party, (TTP). > > What WISPA did was developed a compliance standard that LEA can work with, > as an industry it is responsible for setting CALEA > standards, pursuant to the statues of CALEA. > > Not to rehash the whole CALEA ordeal, which certainly was the case, this > is just one example of how WISPA got involved and > took on the initiative to do something about it, with or without your > help. IMO, CALEA was the most important issue to deal > with at the time and it got done. > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade Association Was:Report: > FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking > > >> Forrest, the notion that some networks can't be sniffed was certainly >> given >> some time back when and somewhat addressed - although more along the >> lines >> of "why on earth would you NOT have a single point of failure network?", >> as >> if that's a good thing. I'd like to note that according to recent >> commentary by WISPA leadership, you WILL either fully comply... Or else. >> That was only a temporary stop-gap, and you were expected to make your >> system fully compliant over time. >> >> BTW, where's the "This network topology cannot be made compliant" option >> on >> the filing you're required to do? Oh, wait, no such LEGAL provision >> exists >> for reporting purposes. >> >> Again, you have not made the case that CALEA is good in any way. >> >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> <insert witty tagline here> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Forrest W Christian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 11:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade Association Was: Report: >> FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking >> >> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, in relation to a previous statement >>> about CALEA being good for WISPA: >>>> I can find NO benefit to it of ANY >>>> kind. Nor has anyone I know of explained a single "benefit", ever. >>>> It >>>> is >>>> a mandate on how a network must function, a limitation to equipment, >>>> software, topology, and redundancy, and an absurd notion in the first >>>> place. >>>> It is a direct requirement to dumb-down and overbuild bandwidth, with >>>> NO >>>> return of ANY kind, financial or otherwise. >>> From my perspective, almost everyone in the WISP industry got >>> broadsided by the whole CALEA thing... But by the time everyone was >>> aware of the requirements, it was too late to do anything meaningful as >>> far as the rules themselves. >>> >>> What WISPA did was diffuse a potentially very bad and very expensive >>> situation for WISP's. In short, the standards which WISPA developed >>> and got approved basically says that you have to be able to packet sniff >>> the data and provide it to the LEA. One actual statement in the >>> APPROVED standard says: >>> >>> "In unusual cases it may be impossible to perform one or more of these >>> functions. The WISP is expected to make a >>> best effort attempt to satisfy these requirements." >>> >>> It doesn't say you have to redesign your network. It doesn't say you >>> have to dumb down a network. It doesn't say you have to overbuild >>> bandwidth. Go ahead read the standard.. and realize that the ability >>> to comply with this very easy to comply with standard is your safe >>> harbor.... all thanks to the hard work provided by WISPA. You can >>> choose how much you want to do to prepare. True, you may have to go >>> put a packet sniffer at an AP site in response to a intercept request, >>> but I suspect that would have been the case before CALEA as well. >>> >>> -forrest >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> WISPA Wants You! 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