Re: [WISPA] Towers
Wasn't blown down in tornado i promise :-D On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I'm not buying any tower on the ground in Alabama. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/27/2011 10:18 AM, John McDowell wrote: I've got an eastpointe self supporter on the ground I'll sell. 120', 4-5' wide at base. Strong towers, solid steel construction, all welded. John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 Office j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. On May 25, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Blair Davis wrote: A few weeks ago, we wee talking about tower pricing... Today, I find myself in need of pricing for a 80-100 ft freestander we can rebar and pour our own foundation and put it up, just need the tower kit it will carry some M900 sectors and a backhaul... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers
I've got an eastpointe self supporter on the ground I'll sell. 120', 4-5' wide at base. Strong towers, solid steel construction, all welded. John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 Office j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. On May 25, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Blair Davis wrote: A few weeks ago, we wee talking about tower pricing... Today, I find myself in need of pricing for a 80-100 ft freestander we can rebar and pour our own foundation and put it up, just need the tower kit it will carry some M900 sectors and a backhaul... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers
I'm not buying any tower on the ground in Alabama. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/27/2011 10:18 AM, John McDowell wrote: I've got an eastpointe self supporter on the ground I'll sell. 120', 4-5' wide at base. Strong towers, solid steel construction, all welded. John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 Office j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. On May 25, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Blair Davis wrote: A few weeks ago, we wee talking about tower pricing... Today, I find myself in need of pricing for a 80-100 ft freestander we can rebar and pour our own foundation and put it up, just need the tower kit it will carry some M900 sectors and a backhaul... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers
Ditto on that Rick. We had a Trylon T200 loosen a set of leg bolts over about a year and fold over after and ice storm followed by high winds. We torqued the bolts to mfg specs, but being on a high windy hill, the constant oscillation loosened the bolts on one leg at about the top of the second section. And, you are right, they are uncomfortable to work on for extended periods with no flat cross bracing to stand on. A neighboring wisp had the same tower fold over on them a couple months later. I would not use them again unless VERY lightly loaded and under ideal conditions. Regards, Cameron On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 9:12 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe their heavy duty models but the light and medium weight have weak cross bracing that hurts your feet? I've seen heavy winds twist bend them too easily. On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 8:33 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: *Price wise Titan freestander... Make sure you buy it from a distributor that gets it already kitted. Got several of these from Tessco a few years ago and they were a nightmare because Tessco kitted the tower * *themselves** ** **Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless* -Original message- *From: *Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net* To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org* Sent: *Wed, May 25, 2011 19:58:03 GMT+00:00* Subject: *[WISPA] Towers WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Towers
A few weeks ago, we wee talking about tower pricing... Today, I find myself in need of pricing for a 80-100 ft freestander we can rebar and pour our own foundation and put it up, just need the tower kit it will carry some M900 sectors and a backhaul... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers
Price wise Titan freestander... Make sure you buy it from a distributor that gets it already kitted. Got several of these from Tessco a few years ago and they were a nightmare because Tessco kitted the tower themselves Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 19:58:03 GMT+00:00 Subject: [WISPA] Towers WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers
Maybe their heavy duty models but the light and medium weight have weak cross bracing that hurts your feet? I've seen heavy winds twist bend them too easily. On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 8:33 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: *Price wise Titan freestander... Make sure you buy it from a distributor that gets it already kitted. Got several of these from Tessco a few years ago and they were a nightmare because Tessco kitted the tower ** themselves** ** **Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless* -Original message- *From: *Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net* To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org* Sent: *Wed, May 25, 2011 19:58:03 GMT+00:00* Subject: *[WISPA] Towers WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers....
Hey Bob, was that 4 bedroom an inlaw unit in the backyard? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Bob Moldashel [mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net] Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Towers Just wanted to post a quick plug here for Nello Towers.If any of you guys or gals is considering buying a tower or towers you should consider these guys. We have been installing tower stuff for years and and I can't remember the last time I didn't have to pull out a mag drill, torch, come-a-long, sledgehammer or some other tool or device to make a tower go together. we just installed a 100' freestanding Nello NSX tower for a customer and every single hole lined up perfectly, the instructions were straight forward, everything was labeled and color coded, and there was even a box that said SPARE HARDWARE Holy Crap! Imagine that!!! A freakin' tower dog's miracle moment. we put the tower together and hung it in one day without issue. And we were not short ANYTHING.We have a second one to do and I can honestly say I am looking forward to it.Now I have no relationship with this company and I don't make anything from them. But I know what a nightmare putting some of these toge ther can be like for someone with experience. Can't imagine a novice trying it. Anyone looking for some fun should buy five 100' Super Trylon towers from Tessco and try putting them together with the instructions off the web site. Took us 4 weeks especially when we realized we had all kinds of parts missing. And the shipping was a killer because Tessco makes its own kits and crates each individual section in nice heavy wood crates. 10 sections, 10 crates. We had enough wood left over to build a 4 bedroom house! :-)Just an FYI.BobWISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wirel...@wispa.orgsubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers....
No. Its a rental on the beach in Jersey. LOL Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Ron Wallace rwall...@newgenet.net Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:12:33 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers Hey Bob, was that 4 bedroom an inlaw unit in the backyard? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Bob Moldashel [mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net] Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Towers Just wanted to post a quick plug here for Nello Towers.If any of you guys or gals is considering buying a tower or towers you should consider these guys. We have been installing tower stuff for years and and I can't remember the last time I didn't have to pull out a mag drill, torch, come-a-long, sledgehammer or some other tool or device to make a tower go together. we just installed a 100' freestanding Nello NSX tower for a customer and every single hole lined up perfectly, the instructions were straight forward, everything was labeled and color coded, and there was even a box that said SPARE HARDWARE Holy Crap! Imagine that!!! A freakin' tower dog's miracle moment. we put the tower together and hung it in one day without issue. And we were not short ANYTHING.We have a second one to do and I can honestly say I am looking forward to it.Now I have no relationship with this company and I don't make anything from them. But I know what a nightmare putting some of these toge ther can be like for someone with experience. Can't imagine a novice trying it. Anyone looking for some fun should buy five 100' Super Trylon towers from Tessco and try putting them together with the instructions off the web site. Took us 4 weeks especially when we realized we had all kinds of parts missing. And the shipping was a killer because Tessco makes its own kits and crates each individual section in nice heavy wood crates. 10 sections, 10 crates. We had enough wood left over to build a 4 bedroom house! :-)Just an FYI.BobWISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wirel...@wispa.orgsubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers....
Nello is an Indiana Based Company.we Hoosiers do it right! Extra Parts = Hoosier Hospitality! :) Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers No. Its a rental on the beach in Jersey. LOL Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Ron Wallace rwall...@newgenet.net Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:12:33 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers Hey Bob, was that 4 bedroom an inlaw unit in the backyard? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Bob Moldashel [mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net] Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Towers Just wanted to post a quick plug here for Nello Towers.If any of you guys or gals is considering buying a tower or towers you should consider these guys. We have been installing tower stuff for years and and I can't remember the last time I didn't have to pull out a mag drill, torch, come-a-long, sledgehammer or some other tool or device to make a tower go together. we just installed a 100' freestanding Nello NSX tower for a customer and every single hole lined up perfectly, the instructions were straight forward, everything was labeled and color coded, and there was even a box that said SPARE HARDWARE Holy Crap! Imagine that!!! A freakin' tower dog's miracle moment. we put the tower together and hung it in one day without issue. And we were not short ANYTHING.We have a second one to do and I can honestly say I am looking forward to it.Now I have no relationship with this company and I don't make anything from them. But I know what a nightmare putting some of these toge ther can be like for someone with experience. Can't imagine a novice trying it. Anyone looking for some fun should buy five 100' Super Trylon towers from Tessco and try putting them together with the instructions off the web site. Took us 4 weeks especially when we realized we had all kinds of parts missing. And the shipping was a killer because Tessco makes its own kits and crates each individual section in nice heavy wood crates. 10 sections, 10 crates. We had enough wood left over to build a 4 bedroom house! :-)Just an FYI.Bob- ---WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/-- -- WISPA Wireless List: wirel...@wispa.orgsubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listi nfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.55/2057 - Release Date: 04/13/09 17:56:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers....
I would also agree this company is great to deal with. I have a 190' NSX tower and it has worked for my little ISP. However, with the positive that it does work just like Bob says, they are not solid-rod towers like Valmont, so the life is yet to be determined. They are hot-dipped electro-galvanized (better coating) vs the old-fashioned way of just galvanizing, but because they are hollow, they can rust from the inside out. I hope this investment lasts like most of the 30+ yr old MCI and ATT microwave towers have held up, but I have my doubts. So far so good. 2 1/2 years on it and it still has little to no rust on the outside. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Towers Just wanted to post a quick plug here for Nello Towers. If any of you guys or gals is considering buying a tower or towers you should consider these guys. We have been installing tower stuff for years and and I can't remember the last time I didn't have to pull out a mag drill, torch, come-a-long, sledgehammer or some other tool or device to make a tower go together. we just installed a 100' freestanding Nello NSX tower for a customer and every single hole lined up perfectly, the instructions were straight forward, everything was labeled and color coded, and there was even a box that said SPARE HARDWARE Holy Crap! Imagine that!!! A freakin' tower dog's miracle moment. we put the tower together and hung it in one day without issue. And we were not short ANYTHING. We have a second one to do and I can honestly say I am looking forward to it. Now I have no relationship with this company and I don't make anything from them. But I know what a nightmare putting some of these together can be like for someone with experience. Can't imagine a novice trying it. Anyone looking for some fun should buy five 100' Super Trylon towers from Tessco and try putting them together with the instructions off the web site. Took us 4 weeks especially when we realized we had all kinds of parts missing. And the shipping was a killer because Tessco makes its own kits and crates each individual section in nice heavy wood crates. 10 sections, 10 crates. We had enough wood left over to build a 4 bedroom house! :-) Just an FYI. Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers....
You will never see another tower built like the old ATT microwave towers - I've climbed one and can tell you its built to survive nuclear blast. Really... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers I would also agree this company is great to deal with. I have a 190' NSX tower and it has worked for my little ISP. However, with the positive that it does work just like Bob says, they are not solid-rod towers like Valmont, so the life is yet to be determined. They are hot-dipped electro-galvanized (better coating) vs the old-fashioned way of just galvanizing, but because they are hollow, they can rust from the inside out. I hope this investment lasts like most of the 30+ yr old MCI and ATT microwave towers have held up, but I have my doubts. So far so good. 2 1/2 years on it and it still has little to no rust on the outside. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Towers Just wanted to post a quick plug here for Nello Towers. If any of you guys or gals is considering buying a tower or towers you should consider these guys. We have been installing tower stuff for years and and I can't remember the last time I didn't have to pull out a mag drill, torch, come-a-long, sledgehammer or some other tool or device to make a tower go together. we just installed a 100' freestanding Nello NSX tower for a customer and every single hole lined up perfectly, the instructions were straight forward, everything was labeled and color coded, and there was even a box that said SPARE HARDWARE Holy Crap! Imagine that!!! A freakin' tower dog's miracle moment. we put the tower together and hung it in one day without issue. And we were not short ANYTHING. We have a second one to do and I can honestly say I am looking forward to it. Now I have no relationship with this company and I don't make anything from them. But I know what a nightmare putting some of these together can be like for someone with experience. Can't imagine a novice trying it. Anyone looking for some fun should buy five 100' Super Trylon towers from Tessco and try putting them together with the instructions off the web site. Took us 4 weeks especially when we realized we had all kinds of parts missing. And the shipping was a killer because Tessco makes its own kits and crates each individual section in nice heavy wood crates. 10 sections, 10 crates. We had enough wood left over to build a 4 bedroom house! :-) Just an FYI. Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Towers....
Just wanted to post a quick plug here for Nello Towers. If any of you guys or gals is considering buying a tower or towers you should consider these guys. We have been installing tower stuff for years and and I can't remember the last time I didn't have to pull out a mag drill, torch, come-a-long, sledgehammer or some other tool or device to make a tower go together. we just installed a 100' freestanding Nello NSX tower for a customer and every single hole lined up perfectly, the instructions were straight forward, everything was labeled and color coded, and there was even a box that said SPARE HARDWARE Holy Crap! Imagine that!!! A freakin' tower dog's miracle moment. we put the tower together and hung it in one day without issue. And we were not short ANYTHING. We have a second one to do and I can honestly say I am looking forward to it. Now I have no relationship with this company and I don't make anything from them. But I know what a nightmare putting some of these together can be like for someone with experience. Can't imagine a novice trying it. Anyone looking for some fun should buy five 100' Super Trylon towers from Tessco and try putting them together with the instructions off the web site. Took us 4 weeks especially when we realized we had all kinds of parts missing. And the shipping was a killer because Tessco makes its own kits and crates each individual section in nice heavy wood crates. 10 sections, 10 crates. We had enough wood left over to build a 4 bedroom house! :-) Just an FYI. Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers....
I have never bought a Nello Tower, simply because we don't buy much new steel, we buy existing sites for the most part. I have however dealt a number of times with Dan Ianello. Dan is very available, very customer service oriented, and has been always nothing but helpful to me. I have NEVER heard anyone with a negative account of dealing with Nello. Just to echo what Bob sez (from down here where we have fire now!) Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:05 PM Subject: [WISPA] Towers Just wanted to post a quick plug here for Nello Towers. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers....
Blake Bowers wrote: I have never bought a Nello Tower, simply because we don't buy much new steel, we buy existing sites for the most part. I have however dealt a number of times with Dan Ianello. Dan is very available, very customer service oriented, and has been always nothing but helpful to me. I have NEVER heard anyone with a negative account of dealing with Nello. Just to echo what Bob sez (from down here where we have fire now!) Oh VERY FUNNY I get that we have fire now comment... You obviously read other lists :-) -B- Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:05 PM Subject: [WISPA] Towers Just wanted to post a quick plug here for Nello Towers. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TOWERS
American tower if you are in ohio http://www.amertower.com AN Wireless if you are in Pennsylvania http://www.anwireless.com Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] TOWERS Who are you guys buying free standing towers from these days. Looking for new or near new 25G or 45g 60 foot or something similar. We are looking for a distributor in the western US Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TOWERS
http://www.nelloinc.com/ These folks have picked up the ball with many of the attributes of 25G, 45G, and all the way up to BIG towers that Rohn had, but not the negative things have dogged Rohn for years, such as poor shipping, lousy galvanizing, etc. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] TOWERS Who are you guys buying free standing towers from these days. Looking for new or near new 25G or 45g 60 foot or something similar. We are looking for a distributor in the western US Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TOWERS
I get most of our Rohn equipment from Tessco. However, our tower guy is a distributer for Pirod which are great towers as well. (solid rod) I hope your not doing a free standing 60 footer in 25G, that would scare the hell out of me. 45g (maybe) -Cameron Who are you guys buying free standing towers from these days. Looking for new or near new 25G or 45g 60 foot or something similar. We are looking for a distributor in the western US Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TOWERS
For infrastructure items such as towers, it's hard to beat Tessco. I have used them for over 30 years of wireless builds. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] TOWERS Who are you guys buying free standing towers from these days. Looking for new or near new 25G or 45g 60 foot or something similar. We are looking for a distributor in the western US Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Towers on grain legs
It was brought to my attention yesterday that some WISPs put tower sections on grain legs. How many of you have done this? Could you describe the particulars of those installations? Pictures? Did you have an engineer approve your designs? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs
I use them a lot. You can email me offline at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ross Cornett HofNet Communications, Inc. 217 342 6201 - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs It was brought to my attention yesterday that some WISPs put tower sections on grain legs. How many of you have done this? Could you describe the particulars of those installations? Pictures? Did you have an engineer approve your designs? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs
I mount equipment on grain legs but I work from the existing platform and structure. Actually adding tower sections to a grain leg, this I'd like to see. Mike Hammett wrote: It was brought to my attention yesterday that some WISPs put tower sections on grain legs. How many of you have done this? Could you describe the particulars of those installations? Pictures? Did you have an engineer approve your designs? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 5:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs It was brought to my attention yesterday that some WISPs put tower sections on grain legs. mks: Yes. How many of you have done this? mks: Almost everyone? grin mks: I started out on one, had to move due to a long cell phone ptp link. About ready to go back on one though. Could you describe the particulars of those installations? mks: Explosion risk!! Gotta use GOOD boxes and be VERY careful about sparks when plugging things in etc. I require that either a licensed electrician or the elevator owner's people do all work. Pictures? Did you have an engineer approve your designs? mks: Nope. Other than the explosion risk, there's nothing really special about them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs
Hi, Grain dust is highly explosive. If you are outside the structure, mounting an external box you really don't have much to be concerned with. The risk is in an enclosed area (like the top of the head house). Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: I guess I don't really understand the explosion risk. The only thing I've ever heard of is the corn dryer catching fire, mostly due to dryer failure of some kind. Is that you're speaking of directly related to tower sections on the grain leg or grain leg use in general? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 5:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs It was brought to my attention yesterday that some WISPs put tower sections on grain legs. mks: Yes. How many of you have done this? mks: Almost everyone? grin mks: I started out on one, had to move due to a long cell phone ptp link. About ready to go back on one though. Could you describe the particulars of those installations? mks: Explosion risk!! Gotta use GOOD boxes and be VERY careful about sparks when plugging things in etc. I require that either a licensed electrician or the elevator owner's people do all work. Pictures? Did you have an engineer approve your designs? mks: Nope. Other than the explosion risk, there's nothing really special about them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
RE: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs
Grain dust -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs I guess I don't really understand the explosion risk. The only thing I've ever heard of is the corn dryer catching fire, mostly due to dryer failure of some kind. Is that you're speaking of directly related to tower sections on the grain leg or grain leg use in general? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 5:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs It was brought to my attention yesterday that some WISPs put tower sections on grain legs. mks: Yes. How many of you have done this? mks: Almost everyone? grin mks: I started out on one, had to move due to a long cell phone ptp link. About ready to go back on one though. Could you describe the particulars of those installations? mks: Explosion risk!! Gotta use GOOD boxes and be VERY careful about sparks when plugging things in etc. I require that either a licensed electrician or the elevator owner's people do all work. Pictures? Did you have an engineer approve your designs? mks: Nope. Other than the explosion risk, there's nothing really special about them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs
In response to on and off list messages... I have no question about mounting to existing grain leg structure... that's pretty cut and dried. The question is about adding tower sections, bracketed or guyed, to the existing grain leg structure to raise the height you can install equipment. (I've heard of up to 70' of additional height.) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs It was brought to my attention yesterday that some WISPs put tower sections on grain legs. How many of you have done this? Could you describe the particulars of those installations? Pictures? Did you have an engineer approve your designs? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs
This sounds crazy to me. There is so much vibration on a grain structure from the motors, augers, moving grain, etc. that I would bet the tower would literally come apart after a few years. You would never catch me on a tower on top of a grain elevator. ;) Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: In response to on and off list messages... I have no question about mounting to existing grain leg structure... that's pretty cut and dried. The question is about adding tower sections, bracketed or guyed, to the existing grain leg structure to raise the height you can install equipment. (I've heard of up to 70' of additional height.) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs It was brought to my attention yesterday that some WISPs put tower sections on grain legs. How many of you have done this? Could you describe the particulars of those installations? Pictures? Did you have an engineer approve your designs? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs
I have put literally hundreds of two way radio antennas on top of structures like you picture, but never have I put tower sections on top of the structures to hold antennas. I don't know where I would find an engineer willing to sign off on it. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs Since what I'm picturing in my mind doesn't seem to jive with what I'm hearing, this is the type of structure I'm referring to. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs It was brought to my attention yesterday that some WISPs put tower sections on grain legs. How many of you have done this? Could you describe the particulars of those installations? Pictures? Did you have an engineer approve your designs? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs
*nods* Trylon said they'll tell me all the load information, but another engineer (perhaps from the leg company) would have to sign off on how it would attach to the leg and if the leg could hold the loads. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs I have put literally hundreds of two way radio antennas on top of structures like you picture, but never have I put tower sections on top of the structures to hold antennas. I don't know where I would find an engineer willing to sign off on it. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs Since what I'm picturing in my mind doesn't seem to jive with what I'm hearing, this is the type of structure I'm referring to. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs It was brought to my attention yesterday that some WISPs put tower sections on grain legs. How many of you have done this? Could you describe the particulars of those installations? Pictures? Did you have an engineer approve your designs? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs
Pretty much. How is that secured to the rest of the structure and did an engineer approve it or did you just slap it up? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 5:53 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs Is this what you are looking for? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs *nods* Trylon said they'll tell me all the load information, but another engineer (perhaps from the leg company) would have to sign off on how it would attach to the leg and if the leg could hold the loads. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs I have put literally hundreds of two way radio antennas on top of structures like you picture, but never have I put tower sections on top of the structures to hold antennas. I don't know where I would find an engineer willing to sign off on it. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs Since what I'm picturing in my mind doesn't seem to jive with what I'm hearing, this is the type of structure I'm referring to. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs It was brought to my attention yesterday that some WISPs put tower sections on grain legs. How many of you have done this? Could you describe the particulars of those installations? Pictures? Did you have an engineer approve your designs? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- - --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs
It's looks pretty freaking scary either way. Even putting up a small 30ft tower, aren't you supposed to bury the first section like 4ft in concrete? That first picture looks like they just used a base plate and secured it to the grainery. No thanks. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: Pretty much. How is that secured to the rest of the structure and did an engineer approve it or did you just slap it up? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 5:53 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs Is this what you are looking for? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs *nods* Trylon said they'll tell me all the load information, but another engineer (perhaps from the leg company) would have to sign off on how it would attach to the leg and if the leg could hold the loads. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs I have put literally hundreds of two way radio antennas on top of structures like you picture, but never have I put tower sections on top of the structures to hold antennas. I don't know where I would find an engineer willing to sign off on it. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs Since what I'm picturing in my mind doesn't seem to jive with what I'm hearing, this is the type of structure I'm referring to. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs It was brought to my attention yesterday that some WISPs put tower sections on grain legs. How many of you have done this? Could you describe the particulars of those installations? Pictures? Did you have an engineer approve your designs? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- - --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs
Guys, I can't stresss enough that when you post pictures, put them on your web pages, etc, it would greatly behoove yourself to make sure that those pictures do NOT show blatant OSHA regulation violations. (I know, some will say but I am not in an OSHA state - trust me- your state still has rules - often times just exact mirrors of OSHA regulations) Too much of a chance it will come back and bite you. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs
It's just not something to take at all lightly... http://images.google.com/images?tab=viq=grain%20elevator%20explosion marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs I guess I don't really understand the explosion risk. The only thing I've ever heard of is the corn dryer catching fire, mostly due to dryer failure of some kind. Is that you're speaking of directly related to tower sections on the grain leg or grain leg use in general? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 5:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs It was brought to my attention yesterday that some WISPs put tower sections on grain legs. mks: Yes. How many of you have done this? mks: Almost everyone? grin mks: I started out on one, had to move due to a long cell phone ptp link. About ready to go back on one though. Could you describe the particulars of those installations? mks: Explosion risk!! Gotta use GOOD boxes and be VERY careful about sparks when plugging things in etc. I require that either a licensed electrician or the elevator owner's people do all work. Pictures? Did you have an engineer approve your designs? mks: Nope. Other than the explosion risk, there's nothing really special about them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
[WISPA] Towers Available
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtowern2 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers Available *Ron Wallace*
Ron - let me know if you're interested in the Halloway tower as it's on the chopping block within 30 days Timmbberrr JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:40 AM Subject: [WISPA] Towers Available http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtowern2 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers and the Law
Laws aside. Over the years it seems that, by far, the best way to swing a council is to load a room during a public hearing. Get 25 to 50 or more prospective customers to show up at a public meeting and moods can change fast. One other thing that has worked for a few is to build right outside of town (assuming that town is the problem not the county). Hope that helps, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers and the Law For the record, OTARD applies to residential rights to have an antenna which enables reception of TV broadcast/satelite signals. I think that OTARD could be used to establish a similar right for a residential use of broadband access antennas as well. However, OTARD doesn't do anything to give the PROVIDER (rather than the end-user) rights to install necessary antennas. So, it sounds like you got lucky with your towers. - Larry - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Towers and the Law We went and built 4 towers (rohn 25g, 50 footers each) on an island where we needed to setup a wireless Backbone around the island. The town came blasting guns, we threw OTARD at them and they bought it. My partner's a good sales guy, though :) We ended up paying $250 per tower in fines, and the $75 permit fee, and we went on our way. YMMV :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Owen Harrell Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Towers and the Law I hope someone can help me on this. I believe that back in 1997 or 1998 a law was passed that prevented local governments from preventing tower construction that would provide Internet service to remote areas. If anyone knows of such a law or could at least point me in the right direction, it would be greatly appreciated. I am in the process of getting permits for new towers and I would just like to be prepared in the unlikely case that the county was to turn me down for my permits. Thanks in Advance Owen Harrell Technology Supervisor Essex Computers 2 East 3rd Street Sterling, IL 61081 (815)380-4267 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers and the Law
Ever wonder what kind of rat's next the mesh guys are gonna run into with this??? roflol Eat that Earthlink Should be fun to watch. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:55 PM Subject: Fw: [WISPA] Towers and the Law I stand corrected. The actual text of the document indicates that the rules apply: on property within the exclusive use or control of the antenna user where the user has a direct or indirect ownership or leasehold interest in the property So, if the antenna is situated on leased or owned land (residential or commercial), OTARD can apply. However, OTARD still only deals with end-user antennas and not WISP broadcast service antennas. - Larry - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers and the Law I wasn't arguing that point; I was arguing that OTARD doesn't only apply to residential property. -Matt Blake Bowers wrote: As long as you quote, Larry is correct. Look at the web page you mention... The subject line... Over the Air RECEPTION devices rule. Then it does make a little exception down lower in the page, On October 25, 2000, the Commission further amended the rule so that it applies to customer-end antennas that receive and transmit fixed wireless signals. This amendment became effective on May 25, 2001. CUSTOMER-end antennas. Q: Does the rule apply to hub or relay antennas? A: The rule applies to customer-end antennas which are antennas placed at a customer location for the purpose of providing service to customers at that location. The rule does not cover antennas used to transmit signals to and/or receive signals from multiple customer locations. Then it pretty much squashes a WISP's antennas for providing service to multiple users. - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers and the Law From http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html... Q: Does the rule apply to commercial property or only residential property? A: Nothing in the rule excludes antennas installed on commercial property. The rule applies to property used for commercial purposes in the same way it applies to residential property. -Matt Larry Yunker wrote: For the record, OTARD applies to residential rights to have an antenna which enables reception of TV broadcast/satelite signals. I think that OTARD could be used to establish a similar right for a residential use of broadband access antennas as well. However, OTARD doesn't do anything to give the PROVIDER (rather than the end-user) rights to install necessary antennas. So, it sounds like you got lucky with your towers. - Larry -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I've seen stuff like this before George. It's almost always been a case of the one causing the trouble having a friend or family member working to start up something and they are just trying to slow you down. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers and the Law Rick Smith wrote: We went and built 4 towers (rohn 25g, 50 footers each) on an island where we needed to setup a wireless Backbone around the island. The town came blasting guns, we threw OTARD at them and they bought it. My partner's a good sales guy, though :) We ended up paying $250 per tower in fines, and the $75 permit fee, and we went on our way. YMMV :) Your lucky. I got a lease signed by the city for the water towers. Before I got to go on the tower the city told me I needed to have a building permit.I debated the need for a building permit, but ended up buying one anyways, I could be wrong and figured it's just a permit a and some money. And who cares if the city wants to get a few more bucks out of me, it's my city and they gave me a smoking deal on the towers, which I am grateful for. So, then I am about ready to build out the tower, with my lease and permit in hand and I get a call from another city dept head telling me that there was some codes that required me to get a conditional use permit, that nobody realized before they signed a lease and gave me a permit. We debated my need for that as well. Then I was told that the city had adopted a tower ordinance for 'telecommunications' sites. They said that if the antennas were to be placed at more than 9' above the structure that I would have to go in front of the planning commission and get a conditional use permit. So I told them that the antennas were being mounted on the railings of the water tank which is like 20' below the top of the tanks. She comes back with in our ordinance it also says 9' above the ground or above the top of the structure. And your antennas are 9' above the ground. So we debated this abit. I also tossed out there that what I do is not telecommunications but information technology and the FCC says so and the ordinance did not apply to me, just telecommunications. I talked to several other city hall people who you would say are at the top of the chain of command who agreed with me. But I kept having this one person who ultimately was the one to approve and she kept reading the ordinance and disputing what those above her said. There is a protocol involved. I also have on our server a copy of all the city council meetings, planning commission meetings, etc. I found a copy of the meeting where the city council and mayor unanimously approved me building out on the water tanks and directed the city manager to write up a lease. To no avail. I just couldn't get this one person to get with the program. Finally I get everyone involved, it gets discussed at a city council meeting and again they say yes George belongs on the tower and he doe NOT need a conditional use permit. Relief, or so I thought. I actually applied for and paid 900.00 for the conditional use permit application Then finally I get city hall telling me to go pick up my check that it wasn't needed seeing I didn't have to get a conditional use permit. Tiffany goes to pick up the check an she is told, you need to have a design review and that costs 800.00... I came back with that there must have been a design review done because I was given a building permit and I had my guy who is an architectural grad draft up an auto cad of the entire installation right down to the clamps used to scale. She comes back with, we gave you a permit for the bottom of the tower not the top. I couple of phone calls later I got final approval and a call from her saying that she was going to allow me to proceed, but she didn't agree with the i saying it was against the code and she was only giving it to me because her boss is making her . All it takes is one person, regardless if you have 99 other people rooting for you, to stick a spoke in your wheels. Cingular also is in the process of signing a lease on one of these towers and they were grilled by the planning commission who had stacks of letters from neighbors who said they didn't want a cell phone site so close to their homes. They might get cancer from fr radiation. In our county they do have an ordinance saying that all cell phone sites have to be at least 1000' away from a residence. Lucky for me, I wasn't really in a hurry because I've been
Re: [WISPA] Towers and the Law
The plan for any reasonable mesh design calls for mounting mesh nodes on street light poles with utility company pole attachment agreements and right of way access from municipalities. OTARD has nothing to do with that. Scriv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Ever wonder what kind of rat's next the mesh guys are gonna run into with this??? roflol Eat that Earthlink Should be fun to watch. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Towers and the Law
I hope someone can help me on this. I believe that back in 1997 or 1998 a law was passed that prevented local governments from preventing tower construction that would provide Internet service to remote areas. If anyone knows of such a law or could at least point me in the right direction, it would be greatly appreciated. I am in the process of getting permits for new towers and I would just like to be prepared in the unlikely case that the county was to turn me down for my permits. Thanks in Advance Owen Harrell Technology Supervisor Essex Computers 2 East 3rd Street Sterling, IL 61081 (815)380-4267 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Towers and the Law
We went and built 4 towers (rohn 25g, 50 footers each) on an island where we needed to setup a wireless Backbone around the island. The town came blasting guns, we threw OTARD at them and they bought it. My partner's a good sales guy, though :) We ended up paying $250 per tower in fines, and the $75 permit fee, and we went on our way. YMMV :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Owen Harrell Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Towers and the Law I hope someone can help me on this. I believe that back in 1997 or 1998 a law was passed that prevented local governments from preventing tower construction that would provide Internet service to remote areas. If anyone knows of such a law or could at least point me in the right direction, it would be greatly appreciated. I am in the process of getting permits for new towers and I would just like to be prepared in the unlikely case that the county was to turn me down for my permits. Thanks in Advance Owen Harrell Technology Supervisor Essex Computers 2 East 3rd Street Sterling, IL 61081 (815)380-4267 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers and the Law
For the record, OTARD applies to residential rights to have an antenna which enables reception of TV broadcast/satelite signals. I think that OTARD could be used to establish a similar right for a residential use of broadband access antennas as well. However, OTARD doesn't do anything to give the PROVIDER (rather than the end-user) rights to install necessary antennas. So, it sounds like you got lucky with your towers. - Larry - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Towers and the Law We went and built 4 towers (rohn 25g, 50 footers each) on an island where we needed to setup a wireless Backbone around the island. The town came blasting guns, we threw OTARD at them and they bought it. My partner's a good sales guy, though :) We ended up paying $250 per tower in fines, and the $75 permit fee, and we went on our way. YMMV :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Owen Harrell Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Towers and the Law I hope someone can help me on this. I believe that back in 1997 or 1998 a law was passed that prevented local governments from preventing tower construction that would provide Internet service to remote areas. If anyone knows of such a law or could at least point me in the right direction, it would be greatly appreciated. I am in the process of getting permits for new towers and I would just like to be prepared in the unlikely case that the county was to turn me down for my permits. Thanks in Advance Owen Harrell Technology Supervisor Essex Computers 2 East 3rd Street Sterling, IL 61081 (815)380-4267 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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From http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html... Q: Does the rule apply to commercial property or only residential property? A: Nothing in the rule excludes antennas installed on commercial property. The rule applies to property used for commercial purposes in the same way it applies to residential property. -Matt Larry Yunker wrote: For the record, OTARD applies to residential rights to have an antenna which enables reception of TV broadcast/satelite signals. I think that OTARD could be used to establish a similar right for a residential use of broadband access antennas as well. However, OTARD doesn't do anything to give the PROVIDER (rather than the end-user) rights to install necessary antennas. So, it sounds like you got lucky with your towers. - Larry - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Towers and the Law We went and built 4 towers (rohn 25g, 50 footers each) on an island where we needed to setup a wireless Backbone around the island. The town came blasting guns, we threw OTARD at them and they bought it. My partner's a good sales guy, though :) We ended up paying $250 per tower in fines, and the $75 permit fee, and we went on our way. YMMV :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Owen Harrell Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Towers and the Law I hope someone can help me on this. I believe that back in 1997 or 1998 a law was passed that prevented local governments from preventing tower construction that would provide Internet service to remote areas. If anyone knows of such a law or could at least point me in the right direction, it would be greatly appreciated. I am in the process of getting permits for new towers and I would just like to be prepared in the unlikely case that the county was to turn me down for my permits. Thanks in Advance Owen Harrell Technology Supervisor Essex Computers 2 East 3rd Street Sterling, IL 61081 (815)380-4267 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers and the Law
As long as you quote, Larry is correct. Look at the web page you mention... The subject line... Over the Air RECEPTION devices rule. Then it does make a little exception down lower in the page, On October 25, 2000, the Commission further amended the rule so that it applies to customer-end antennas that receive and transmit fixed wireless signals. This amendment became effective on May 25, 2001. CUSTOMER-end antennas. Q: Does the rule apply to hub or relay antennas? A: The rule applies to customer-end antennas which are antennas placed at a customer location for the purpose of providing service to customers at that location. The rule does not cover antennas used to transmit signals to and/or receive signals from multiple customer locations. Then it pretty much squashes a WISP's antennas for providing service to multiple users. - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers and the Law From http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html... Q: Does the rule apply to commercial property or only residential property? A: Nothing in the rule excludes antennas installed on commercial property. The rule applies to property used for commercial purposes in the same way it applies to residential property. -Matt Larry Yunker wrote: For the record, OTARD applies to residential rights to have an antenna which enables reception of TV broadcast/satelite signals. I think that OTARD could be used to establish a similar right for a residential use of broadband access antennas as well. However, OTARD doesn't do anything to give the PROVIDER (rather than the end-user) rights to install necessary antennas. So, it sounds like you got lucky with your towers. - Larry -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I wasn't arguing that point; I was arguing that OTARD doesn't only apply to residential property. -Matt Blake Bowers wrote: As long as you quote, Larry is correct. Look at the web page you mention... The subject line... Over the Air RECEPTION devices rule. Then it does make a little exception down lower in the page, On October 25, 2000, the Commission further amended the rule so that it applies to customer-end antennas that receive and transmit fixed wireless signals. This amendment became effective on May 25, 2001. CUSTOMER-end antennas. Q: Does the rule apply to hub or relay antennas? A: The rule applies to customer-end antennas which are antennas placed at a customer location for the purpose of providing service to customers at that location. The rule does not cover antennas used to transmit signals to and/or receive signals from multiple customer locations. Then it pretty much squashes a WISP's antennas for providing service to multiple users. - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers and the Law From http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html... Q: Does the rule apply to commercial property or only residential property? A: Nothing in the rule excludes antennas installed on commercial property. The rule applies to property used for commercial purposes in the same way it applies to residential property. -Matt Larry Yunker wrote: For the record, OTARD applies to residential rights to have an antenna which enables reception of TV broadcast/satelite signals. I think that OTARD could be used to establish a similar right for a residential use of broadband access antennas as well. However, OTARD doesn't do anything to give the PROVIDER (rather than the end-user) rights to install necessary antennas. So, it sounds like you got lucky with your towers. - Larry -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Fw: [WISPA] Towers and the Law
I stand corrected. The actual text of the document indicates that the rules apply: on property within the exclusive use or control of the antenna user where the user has a direct or indirect ownership or leasehold interest in the property So, if the antenna is situated on leased or owned land (residential or commercial), OTARD can apply. However, OTARD still only deals with end-user antennas and not WISP broadcast service antennas. - Larry - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers and the Law I wasn't arguing that point; I was arguing that OTARD doesn't only apply to residential property. -Matt Blake Bowers wrote: As long as you quote, Larry is correct. Look at the web page you mention... The subject line... Over the Air RECEPTION devices rule. Then it does make a little exception down lower in the page, On October 25, 2000, the Commission further amended the rule so that it applies to customer-end antennas that receive and transmit fixed wireless signals. This amendment became effective on May 25, 2001. CUSTOMER-end antennas. Q: Does the rule apply to hub or relay antennas? A: The rule applies to customer-end antennas which are antennas placed at a customer location for the purpose of providing service to customers at that location. The rule does not cover antennas used to transmit signals to and/or receive signals from multiple customer locations. Then it pretty much squashes a WISP's antennas for providing service to multiple users. - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers and the Law From http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html... Q: Does the rule apply to commercial property or only residential property? A: Nothing in the rule excludes antennas installed on commercial property. The rule applies to property used for commercial purposes in the same way it applies to residential property. -Matt Larry Yunker wrote: For the record, OTARD applies to residential rights to have an antenna which enables reception of TV broadcast/satelite signals. I think that OTARD could be used to establish a similar right for a residential use of broadband access antennas as well. However, OTARD doesn't do anything to give the PROVIDER (rather than the end-user) rights to install necessary antennas. So, it sounds like you got lucky with your towers. - Larry -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers and the Law
Rick Smith wrote: We went and built 4 towers (rohn 25g, 50 footers each) on an island where we needed to setup a wireless Backbone around the island. The town came blasting guns, we threw OTARD at them and they bought it. My partner's a good sales guy, though :) We ended up paying $250 per tower in fines, and the $75 permit fee, and we went on our way. YMMV :) Your lucky. I got a lease signed by the city for the water towers. Before I got to go on the tower the city told me I needed to have a building permit.I debated the need for a building permit, but ended up buying one anyways, I could be wrong and figured it's just a permit a and some money. And who cares if the city wants to get a few more bucks out of me, it's my city and they gave me a smoking deal on the towers, which I am grateful for. So, then I am about ready to build out the tower, with my lease and permit in hand and I get a call from another city dept head telling me that there was some codes that required me to get a conditional use permit, that nobody realized before they signed a lease and gave me a permit. We debated my need for that as well. Then I was told that the city had adopted a tower ordinance for 'telecommunications' sites. They said that if the antennas were to be placed at more than 9' above the structure that I would have to go in front of the planning commission and get a conditional use permit. So I told them that the antennas were being mounted on the railings of the water tank which is like 20' below the top of the tanks. She comes back with in our ordinance it also says 9' above the ground or above the top of the structure. And your antennas are 9' above the ground. So we debated this abit. I also tossed out there that what I do is not telecommunications but information technology and the FCC says so and the ordinance did not apply to me, just telecommunications. I talked to several other city hall people who you would say are at the top of the chain of command who agreed with me. But I kept having this one person who ultimately was the one to approve and she kept reading the ordinance and disputing what those above her said. There is a protocol involved. I also have on our server a copy of all the city council meetings, planning commission meetings, etc. I found a copy of the meeting where the city council and mayor unanimously approved me building out on the water tanks and directed the city manager to write up a lease. To no avail. I just couldn't get this one person to get with the program. Finally I get everyone involved, it gets discussed at a city council meeting and again they say yes George belongs on the tower and he doe NOT need a conditional use permit. Relief, or so I thought. I actually applied for and paid 900.00 for the conditional use permit application Then finally I get city hall telling me to go pick up my check that it wasn't needed seeing I didn't have to get a conditional use permit. Tiffany goes to pick up the check an she is told, you need to have a design review and that costs 800.00... I came back with that there must have been a design review done because I was given a building permit and I had my guy who is an architectural grad draft up an auto cad of the entire installation right down to the clamps used to scale. She comes back with, we gave you a permit for the bottom of the tower not the top. I couple of phone calls later I got final approval and a call from her saying that she was going to allow me to proceed, but she didn't agree with the i saying it was against the code and she was only giving it to me because her boss is making her . All it takes is one person, regardless if you have 99 other people rooting for you, to stick a spoke in your wheels. Cingular also is in the process of signing a lease on one of these towers and they were grilled by the planning commission who had stacks of letters from neighbors who said they didn't want a cell phone site so close to their homes. They might get cancer from fr radiation. In our county they do have an ordinance saying that all cell phone sites have to be at least 1000' away from a residence. Lucky for me, I wasn't really in a hurry because I've been waiting for the final version of Lonnie's war boards to come out. I just today got the approved set of prints back and will start this week on my tower project. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Unfortuneately I believe the legal battle went in the favor of the county. There is one major case that addressed this. For the life of me, the details are escaping my mind. From what I remember the law was meant to encourage prompt response from the county, apposed to a requirement that the county had to authorize the tower building. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Owen Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: [WISPA] Towers and the Law I hope someone can help me on this. I believe that back in 1997 or 1998 a law was passed that prevented local governments from preventing tower construction that would provide Internet service to remote areas. If anyone knows of such a law or could at least point me in the right direction, it would be greatly appreciated. I am in the process of getting permits for new towers and I would just like to be prepared in the unlikely case that the county was to turn me down for my permits. Thanks in Advance Owen Harrell Technology Supervisor Essex Computers 2 East 3rd Street Sterling, IL 61081 (815)380-4267 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers and the Law
George, Congratulations on your ability and your willingness to hang in there! jack George Rogato wrote: Rick Smith wrote: We went and built 4 towers (rohn 25g, 50 footers each) on an island where we needed to setup a wireless Backbone around the island. The town came blasting guns, we threw OTARD at them and they bought it. My partner's a good sales guy, though :) We ended up paying $250 per tower in fines, and the $75 permit fee, and we went on our way. YMMV :) Your lucky. I got a lease signed by the city for the water towers. Before I got to go on the tower the city told me I needed to have a building permit.I debated the need for a building permit, but ended up buying one anyways, I could be wrong and figured it's just a permit a and some money. And who cares if the city wants to get a few more bucks out of me, it's my city and they gave me a smoking deal on the towers, which I am grateful for. So, then I am about ready to build out the tower, with my lease and permit in hand and I get a call from another city dept head telling me that there was some codes that required me to get a conditional use permit, that nobody realized before they signed a lease and gave me a permit. We debated my need for that as well. Then I was told that the city had adopted a tower ordinance for 'telecommunications' sites. They said that if the antennas were to be placed at more than 9' above the structure that I would have to go in front of the planning commission and get a conditional use permit. So I told them that the antennas were being mounted on the railings of the water tank which is like 20' below the top of the tanks. She comes back with in our ordinance it also says 9' above the ground or above the top of the structure. And your antennas are 9' above the ground. So we debated this abit. I also tossed out there that what I do is not telecommunications but information technology and the FCC says so and the ordinance did not apply to me, just telecommunications. I talked to several other city hall people who you would say are at the top of the chain of command who agreed with me. But I kept having this one person who ultimately was the one to approve and she kept reading the ordinance and disputing what those above her said. There is a protocol involved. I also have on our server a copy of all the city council meetings, planning commission meetings, etc. I found a copy of the meeting where the city council and mayor unanimously approved me building out on the water tanks and directed the city manager to write up a lease. To no avail. I just couldn't get this one person to get with the program. Finally I get everyone involved, it gets discussed at a city council meeting and again they say yes George belongs on the tower and he doe NOT need a conditional use permit. Relief, or so I thought. I actually applied for and paid 900.00 for the conditional use permit application Then finally I get city hall telling me to go pick up my check that it wasn't needed seeing I didn't have to get a conditional use permit. Tiffany goes to pick up the check an she is told, you need to have a design review and that costs 800.00... I came back with that there must have been a design review done because I was given a building permit and I had my guy who is an architectural grad draft up an auto cad of the entire installation right down to the clamps used to scale. She comes back with, we gave you a permit for the bottom of the tower not the top. I couple of phone calls later I got final approval and a call from her saying that she was going to allow me to proceed, but she didn't agree with the i saying it was against the code and she was only giving it to me because her boss is making her . All it takes is one person, regardless if you have 99 other people rooting for you, to stick a spoke in your wheels. Cingular also is in the process of signing a lease on one of these towers and they were grilled by the planning commission who had stacks of letters from neighbors who said they didn't want a cell phone site so close to their homes. They might get cancer from fr radiation. In our county they do have an ordinance saying that all cell phone sites have to be at least 1000' away from a residence. Lucky for me, I wasn't really in a hurry because I've been waiting for the final version of Lonnie's war boards to come out. I just today got the approved set of prints back and will start this week on my tower project. George -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Our next WISP Workshop is June 21-22 in Atlanta, GA. Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Towers and the Law
Thanks Jack, Besides hanging in there, I tried very hard not to piss anyone off or offend them. Politics can get messy. George Jack Unger wrote: George, Congratulations on your ability and your willingness to hang in there! jack George Rogato wrote: Rick Smith wrote: We went and built 4 towers (rohn 25g, 50 footers each) on an island where we needed to setup a wireless Backbone around the island. The town came blasting guns, we threw OTARD at them and they bought it. My partner's a good sales guy, though :) We ended up paying $250 per tower in fines, and the $75 permit fee, and we went on our way. YMMV :) Your lucky. I got a lease signed by the city for the water towers. Before I got to go on the tower the city told me I needed to have a building permit.I debated the need for a building permit, but ended up buying one anyways, I could be wrong and figured it's just a permit a and some money. And who cares if the city wants to get a few more bucks out of me, it's my city and they gave me a smoking deal on the towers, which I am grateful for. So, then I am about ready to build out the tower, with my lease and permit in hand and I get a call from another city dept head telling me that there was some codes that required me to get a conditional use permit, that nobody realized before they signed a lease and gave me a permit. We debated my need for that as well. Then I was told that the city had adopted a tower ordinance for 'telecommunications' sites. They said that if the antennas were to be placed at more than 9' above the structure that I would have to go in front of the planning commission and get a conditional use permit. So I told them that the antennas were being mounted on the railings of the water tank which is like 20' below the top of the tanks. She comes back with in our ordinance it also says 9' above the ground or above the top of the structure. And your antennas are 9' above the ground. So we debated this abit. I also tossed out there that what I do is not telecommunications but information technology and the FCC says so and the ordinance did not apply to me, just telecommunications. I talked to several other city hall people who you would say are at the top of the chain of command who agreed with me. But I kept having this one person who ultimately was the one to approve and she kept reading the ordinance and disputing what those above her said. There is a protocol involved. I also have on our server a copy of all the city council meetings, planning commission meetings, etc. I found a copy of the meeting where the city council and mayor unanimously approved me building out on the water tanks and directed the city manager to write up a lease. To no avail. I just couldn't get this one person to get with the program. Finally I get everyone involved, it gets discussed at a city council meeting and again they say yes George belongs on the tower and he doe NOT need a conditional use permit. Relief, or so I thought. I actually applied for and paid 900.00 for the conditional use permit application Then finally I get city hall telling me to go pick up my check that it wasn't needed seeing I didn't have to get a conditional use permit. Tiffany goes to pick up the check an she is told, you need to have a design review and that costs 800.00... I came back with that there must have been a design review done because I was given a building permit and I had my guy who is an architectural grad draft up an auto cad of the entire installation right down to the clamps used to scale. She comes back with, we gave you a permit for the bottom of the tower not the top. I couple of phone calls later I got final approval and a call from her saying that she was going to allow me to proceed, but she didn't agree with the i saying it was against the code and she was only giving it to me because her boss is making her . All it takes is one person, regardless if you have 99 other people rooting for you, to stick a spoke in your wheels. Cingular also is in the process of signing a lease on one of these towers and they were grilled by the planning commission who had stacks of letters from neighbors who said they didn't want a cell phone site so close to their homes. They might get cancer from fr radiation. In our county they do have an ordinance saying that all cell phone sites have to be at least 1000' away from a residence. Lucky for me, I wasn't really in a hurry because I've been waiting for the final version of Lonnie's war boards to come out. I just today got the approved set of prints back and will start this week on my tower project. George -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
