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"network operators provide free and non-discriminatory transport on their networks"
 
This is the key phrase. This basically says that every corparate LAN, must allow any consumer to steal access from that corporation's LAN, and open up their LAN to the security threats by giving access to the Consumers.  It means that Business owners can't control what content an employee views, while they are supposed to be working.
 
The key is the definition of "Network Operator" and "broadband networks".  By the definition of "Broadband" most every corporate or even home network is technically broadband, doing symetrical data throughput above 200K speed.   
 
Whats most important is the the major conduit and pipes that interconnect the "Internet" are not allowed to block traffic. The rules below should apply.  Could you imagine what would happen if Verizon decided to block VOIP after they purchased MCI? 
 
However, we have got to draw the line and not get carried away, by over burdening the world by encompasing every person that owns and operates a private network to follow the same rules of the "Internet".  At what point is a network considered the Internet versus private network. We need to be very careful how that is defined.  The secret lies in the definiton of the key terms involved, not the rules them selves.  Its easy to determine what rules are fair for consumers, the hard part is defining who should be ruled by those laws. 
 
>4. Consumers are entitled to competition among network providers, application and service providers, and content providers.
 
Some other issues related to this.  What are we saying by saying consumers are entitled to competition? Are we saying that if Comcast and Verizon get to the buidling first, their is infact competition, and to bad for the wireless provider when the landlord does not allow them on the roof.  What we really need to be saying is consumers should have their choice of network provider or network technology.  If a consumer wants wireless, they should have the right to chose wireless.   Quote from this month Business Wireless page 1 " I wanted wireless but cable got their first".  And people always have the choice for a T1 if they have cooper phones.  Thats still competition.  Or we should be saying that all technologies should have the same non-discrimination access to consumers, so the consumers have the option for choice.  How can a wireless carrier that pays a mandatory 25% revenue share out to a landlord able to compete against Verizon that is allowed easement-fee-free access?
 
>3. Consumers are entitled to connect their choice of legal devices that do not harm the network; and
 
Also a problem. What about devices that potential could conflict. Should it be required to wait for a conflict to restrict it? How could that ever be managed on a wide scale with the thousand of vendors.  "do not harm the network", how do you know if it will harm? The only safe way is to pre-test the device, and if the device tests not to harm then it is OK.  We have a legal obligation to guarantee performance of our network for our subscribers, I can't wait for a disaster to define what will and won't harm a network.  The only way to control this is to define upfront which devices you've approved for use on your network. I'd argue that text needs to be added that states, Consumer has choice of device to install on network, after first submitting device to network operator for their testing and approval of compatibilty ofthe device on their network.  What this says is if you let one person on the net with a LinksysG router, you then need to allow another, which is OK, but if you let nobody on the network with a wireless-g router, than its OK. 
 
I'd also say just because its OK to allow a consumer to install a device of their choice on the network does not necessarilly mean they should be allowed to use the device any way that they want on your network. If they use that Linksys-G wireless router to serve their neighbor or free hotspot, that should be something that permission is needed from the provider.  I sell broadabnd for a purpose not necessarilly just a specific amount of broadband. I sell an experience on the INternet not broadband.  Every person that takes advanatage of that experience should have to pay, if that is my policy.  If I buy arecord album, should I be allowed to copy and duplicate that record album across the country? If I have Windows XP, should I be able to give it to my neighbor when I'm done with the CD? No I bought a license to use the software for a specific purpose, I did not sell them a plastiv CD, nor anyone else the use of it.  Basically these Network Neutrality suggestions basically contradict every licensing and copyright rule in the book.  Maybe we should not be selling broadband, but instead selling a license to use broadband off of our service.  Can we all just start sellling licenses to get around network neutrality legislation?  If one person can buy a license in other trades, why can we not sell it as a license?
 
>2. Consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement;
 
This is OK, because it does not state the QOS guarantee that the provider woyuld need to provide for that application.  Therefore slowing down some traffic as the provider felt appropriate would be allowed.
 
>1. Consumers are entitled to access the lawful Internet content of their choice;
 
I fully agree with this except, it needs to be further defined to include who is classified as someone offering Internet access.  Are you saying that from a Most Money Machine, I should be allowed to check my Email? Its is a network to.  What makes my WISP any different than the MOney Machine Most network? I do not think "Broadband" and "network" should be bundled into the same thing as Internet Access.  Internet access is just one value added service that a network provider may elect to add to its services for its subscribers. Internet access is not required for a network. The network may be done for other purposes. I'm actually aware of many networks that specifically restrict their users from being connected to the Internet from the same PC that uses their service, if they connect to their network, for security reasons.  I believe that if a provider brands themselves as selling "Internet Access" then maybe they need to conform to a set of guideline that rule what they can and can not block, because they are a "internet Access" provider.  What this means though is, I can sell a customer access to my network to pass VOIP between their offices or to the PSTN network through my termination provider, as long as I'm not selling them Internet access also.  And then if by default I route all VOIP traffic across my private VOIP section of my network I should be able to get away with jsutifying a technical reason why I can't pass the subscribers VOIP data to the Internet, because otherwise I could not share the same network with my VOIP only services that don't use the Internet.  I can't have the port routing two palces at once at the same time, unless I added a huge management headache of also tracking source and destination routing with the port. By I could argue that technology does not exist yet and would possible cause unbearable latency that would prevent the service from working.  What this section says is that I can not be jsut a phone company anymore that only does VOICE.  I now am requireed to be an Internet provider also.  Power companies have networks. Are they now going to be forced to offer INternet access as well because they are a network operator? 
 
This should be changed to Consumers should be entitled to access the lawful INternet content of their choice, when purchasing "internet Access" from their network provider, provided that there is not a technical limitation preventing that or doing so does not unnecessarily restrict the other "non-Internet" services offered by the provider.  This being done with the point that the same network may be sued for different purposes and service offering, and should be required to not require providers to unnecessarilly build two parallel network in the same area, when it can be shared, and with the undetstanding that TCP/IP protocols have been adopted for network operators regardless of wether they are offering "Internet Services".
 
>Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

>Network Neutrality is the concept that network operators provide free and non-discriminatory transport on their networks between the endpoints >of the Internet. This has been a basic concept and function of the Internet since it was invented, and is adopted by the FCC in these four >principles to ensure that broadband networks are widely deployed, open, affordable and accessible to all consumers:

>1. Consumers are entitled to access the lawful Internet content of their choice;
>2. Consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement;
>3. Consumers are entitled to connect their choice of legal devices that do not harm the network; and
>4. Consumers are entitled to competition among network providers, application and service providers, and content providers.
 
Now, lets open the floor for discussion...
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Wu
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:43 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumb pipeprovider"vs.end-to-end connectivity/content provider (htmlformatted for easier reading)

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You seem to be taking this beyond what anyone has stated.  There may
be those that say the things that you claim above, however what you
said was that "...preference of one's own traffic...is not that much
different than..." and you went on to show a link to a story that
was NOT EVEN CLOSE to the same thing.  That is what I was pointing
out.
 
</snip>


For some reason, I am getting a feeling that thread may be going beyond "topic debate" to "personal attacks" -- so I will restate my original point (which I may not have been completely clear on b/c this is a topic that I have been thinking of / examining for quite some time now, and things that seem obviously clear to me may not be so for a casual observer)

Read the following article and tell me what you think

Now, Look back at the original topic of debate and ask yourself the following question...is there REALLY a distinction between the "prioritization" and/or "discrimination (or blocking taken to the Nth degree) of certain types of Internet packets?  If you think about it, prioritizing "certain my preferred packets" across my physical network is really no different than discriminating (depreferencing or blocking) my competitors -- in fact, the Network Neutrality (free love, etc) camp would argue that "allowing" certain providers to pay for prioritized / privilege access is extortion.
 
The topic of debate that I  am addressing is the argument between "it's my @[EMAIL PROTECTED] network so I can do whatever I want" vs. "the Internet is a free and open medium or Network Neutrality). 

The it's my @[EMAIL PROTECTED] network argument

SBC started it, now BellSouth is getting into the act. Two articles (1, 2) highlight comments made by William L. Smith, CTO of BellSouth, about how he’d really like to be able to charge internet companies for priority access to his network and customers.

A senior telecommunications executive said yesterday that Internet service providers should be allowed to strike deals to give certain Web sites or services priority in reaching computer users, a controversial system that would significantly change how the Internet operates.

William L. Smith, chief technology officer for Atlanta-based BellSouth Corp., told reporters and analysts that an Internet service provider such as his firm should be able, for example, to charge Yahoo Inc. for the opportunity to have its search site load faster than that of Google Inc.

Or, Smith said, his company should be allowed to charge a rival voice-over-Internet firm so that its service can operate with the same quality as BellSouth’s offering.

Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

Network Neutrality is the concept that network operators provide free and non-discriminatory transport on their networks between the endpoints of the Internet. This has been a basic concept and function of the Internet since it was invented, and is adopted by the FCC in these four principles to ensure that broadband networks are widely deployed, open, affordable and accessible to all consumers:

1. Consumers are entitled to access the lawful Internet content of their choice;
2. Consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement;
3. Consumers are entitled to connect their choice of legal devices that do not harm the network; and
4. Consumers are entitled to competition among network providers, application and service providers, and content providers.
 
Now, lets open the floor for discussion...
 
-Charles

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