Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-07 Thread Matt Liotta
Charles Wu wrote: Out of curiosity...do you mean 2-5 cents per minute? Or 0.2 to 0.5 cents per minute? .2 cents; 2 cents a minute wouldn't be a very good deal. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-07 Thread Brian Whigham
care to share who you're using for termination or how much volume you're purchasing? Matt Liotta wrote: Charles Wu wrote: Out of curiosity...do you mean 2-5 cents per minute? Or 0.2 to 0.5 cents per minute? .2 cents; 2 cents a minute wouldn't be a very good deal. -Matt -- WISPA

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-07 Thread Matt Liotta
I can't share that information. -Matt Brian Whigham wrote: care to share who you're using for termination or how much volume you're purchasing? Matt Liotta wrote: Charles Wu wrote: Out of curiosity...do you mean 2-5 cents per minute? Or 0.2 to 0.5 cents per minute? .2 cents; 2

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance - 911

2006-03-06 Thread Peter R.
Nuvio and CommPartners rely on Intrada for 911, just like Vonage. As the Vonage IPO so clearly pointed out, 911 coverage is spotty at best. Residential 911 is harder due to the nomadic possibilities. CallVantage has taken measures to cover their butts and Lingo is working on it. But Intrado is

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Peter R.
You haven't seen it yet, because Lingo is not profitable yet. Primus owns Lingo and Primus is basically an International VOIP company. Like so many VOIP Providers, they are still trying to figure out how to make a profit. Delta3 (which is the backend for VZ's VoiceWing) made $9.1M in revenue

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread John Scrivner
Primus tells me they are more than a VOIP company and that they do make money. They impressed me in my dealings with them. Can you share more about your information about Primus? I have a big interest in knowing anything I can about them right now. Thanks, Scriv Peter R. wrote: You haven't

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Dustin Jurman
Delta3 - is the EBITA? DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Primus tells me they are more than

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Liotta
Primus/Lingo is calling every WISP in the country trying to sign them up for a very CommPartners like deal. All of these VoIP providers are using the same shitty model that will be worthless in 2 years time. There is no money to be made in VoIP short-term unless you operate your own equipment.

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Liotta
I'm a little behind on it, but I'm definately interested in all opinions and options. Thanks! - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Primus

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
and myself. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Message - From: Dustin Jurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Delta3 - is the EBITA? DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Jason Hensley
having a hard time understanding why it cannot be profitable, at least on some level. - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Quite

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Peter R.
Primus is a big International LD company. That is how it began in 1994. Check out the Primus Wireless plan. Cellular and VOIP are based in International exchanges. Primus has short term debt of $26M; long term is $635M. About to be de-listed from Nasdaq. Net loss for the fourth quarter 2005

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread danlist
, March 06, 2006 2:05 PM To: John Scrivner Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Primus is a big International LD company. That is how it began in 1994. Check out the Primus Wireless plan. Cellular and VOIP are based in International exchanges. Primus has

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Brian Webster
: Jason Hensley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance For someone like me who is currently looking at getting into the VoIP business, why is it that you feel VoIP will be a long-term loser? I have just

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread KyWiFi LLC
, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Primus tells me they are more than a VOIP company and that they do make money. They impressed me in my dealings with them. Can you share more about your information about Primus? I have a big interest in knowing anything I can about

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Liotta
Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Quite simply, VoIP will be free in the long run. Use it to sell bandwidth or what have you, but don't plan on profiting from it directly outside

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Liotta
- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Primus/Lingo is calling every WISP in the country trying to sign them up for a very CommPartners like

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Peter R.
Issues such as LNP, E-911, 411, CALEA, yellow page listings, and taxes will take a bite out of any profit. Even termination, origination and DIDs cost money. Let's say you get a 2 way CLEC PRI for $615 + DIDs at $10 per 20. And let's say the CLEC will do your LNP and 911. $615 divided by 23

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Jason Hensley
of things that I possibly can. - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance In our case, the most expense part of our VoIP deployment

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Peter R.
Because Vonage et al, sell Resi VOIP cheaper than TDM Voice. Why? Easier to market. Easier to take orders (notice I did not say sell?) But termination will be going up (already seeing rising costs for Dedicated LD). E-911 is not cheap (nor is it nationally available). You can try to work with

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Mac Dearman
, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance In our case, the most expense part of our VoIP deployment was getting our network ready to support it correctly. Whether the backend is outsourced doesn't affect the requirement to support end-to-end QoS. Therefore, I believe that you

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Jason Hensley
, 2006 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Because Vonage et al, sell Resi VOIP cheaper than TDM Voice. Why? Easier to market. Easier to take orders (notice I did not say sell?) But termination will be going up (already seeing rising costs for Dedicated LD). E-911 is not cheap

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Liotta
E-911 is THE issue to solve for everyone. No matter who you get E-911 from, the local ILEC is actually providing the service using outdated and expensive equipment. Until that changes things won't get better. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Because Vonage et al, sell Resi VOIP cheaper than TDM Voice.

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Peter R.
You might have just had a bad experience. I beta tested the Primus Business VOIP product in 2004 and my only complaint was that after talking for 75 minutes on one call, it would die. And the Cisco ATA needed to be rebooted a lot. Peter KyWiFi LLC wrote: Hi Scriv, We tried Lingo but could

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Liotta
, March 06, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance In our case, the most expense part of our VoIP deployment was getting our network ready to support it correctly. Whether the backend is outsourced doesn't affect the requirement to support end-to-end QoS. Therefore, I

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Peter R.
You're a CLEC, right? Matt Liotta wrote: The notion of avoiding toll costs by working with other WISPs sounds great in theory. From our standpoint, it would cost us more to connect to a single WISP than to pay our entire long distance bill. We pay between $0.002 to $0.005 per minute on

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Paul Hendry
. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: 06 March 2006 20:00 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance The notion of avoiding toll costs by working with other WISPs sounds great in theory. From our standpoint

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Liotta
Nope -Matt Peter R. wrote: You're a CLEC, right? Matt Liotta wrote: The notion of avoiding toll costs by working with other WISPs sounds great in theory. From our standpoint, it would cost us more to connect to a single WISP than to pay our entire long distance bill. We pay between

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Primus/Lingo is calling every WISP

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Because Vonage et al, sell Resi VOIP cheaper than TDM Voice. Why? Easier to market. Easier to take orders (notice I did not say sell?) But termination will be going up (already seeing rising costs for Dedicated LD). E-911 is not cheap (nor is it nationally

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Because Vonage et al, sell Resi VOIP cheaper than TDM Voice. Why? Easier to market. Easier to take orders (notice I did not say sell?) But termination

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Victoria
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance RANT I've got working VOIP on my network, beta-tested and ready to roll out but without

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Liotta
General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance RANT I've got working VOIP on my network, beta-tested and ready to roll out but without e911. I like VOIP, because I have people subscribing to our service just so they can get Vonage and ditch their land line - but this whole e911

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance - Beyond VoIP: Think Like a Cable Company and Accelerate ROI

2006-03-06 Thread Charles Wu
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:05 PM To: John Scrivner Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Primus is a big International LD company. That is how it began in 1994

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Charles Wu
snip I think everyone of us need to be in our own VoIP business!! I have even given thought to a Coop kind of deal, but I need to have some more beer and thoughts on that :-) /snip Mac, You need some BEER -N- WIRELESS GEAR -Charles --- WiNOG Austin,

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Charles Wu
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance The notion of avoiding toll costs by working with other WISPs sounds great

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Of KyWiFi LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Hi Scriv, We tried Lingo but could not get it to work reliably and their voice quality was horrible when it did work. Their support is overseas so expect to be treated like

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-05 Thread Rick Smith
PROTECTED] *To:* Mac Dearman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Cc:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:45 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Mac - as I stated - None of these #s are local. Which means

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-05 Thread Mac Dearman
) Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4228 318.303.4229 - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance the problem is, Johnny's

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-05 Thread Rick Smith
: Sunday, March 05, 2006 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance the problem is, Johnny's in an area where his local C.O. isn't tapped by the major LNP-able VOIP or Voice guys. No one, and I've looked and spoken to many, has 337-774 portable... JohnnyO wrote: Ok - #1

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-05 Thread Mac Dearman
PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Mac, you're right, but the local-dialing problem is the one Johnny's trying to solve, with NO CALL FORWARDING involved, which would incur him extra charges

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-04 Thread Mac Dearman
-tel.uswww.RadioResponse.org (Katrina Relief)Rayville, La.318.728.8600 318.303.4228318.303.4229 - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: Mac Dearman Cc: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Mac - you

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-04 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance The Hell you say I can't! Pick your towns and get the check book out - $50.00 per number and start talking!!! This includes unlimited long distance as well as local calls - - -with all

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-04 Thread JohnnyO
- Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: Mac Dearman Cc: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-04 Thread Joe Laura
,La.www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: Mac Dearman Cc: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Mac - as I stated - None of these #s are local. Which means their office 7 miles

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-04 Thread JohnnyO
.com - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: Mac Dearman Cc: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

[WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-03 Thread JohnnyO
I am looking for a appliance/device that will work as a VoIP Gateway/PBX for 4-8 POTS lines. I am not looking for an Asterisk solution but seeking out a plug and play appliance for under $2k or less. I cannot get a PRI in my area - I cannot get a ISDN BRI in my area either - The only option I

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-03 Thread Mac Dearman
-tel.uswww.RadioResponse.org (Katrina Relief)Rayville, La.318.728.8600 318.303.4228318.303.4229 - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: WISPA General List Cc: Judd's List Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:01 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance I am looking

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-03 Thread JohnnyO
- From: JohnnyO To: WISPA General List Cc: Judd's List Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:01 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance I am