Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-21 Thread Bradley D. Thornton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 I've Been offline for a few days. pls see below for addtional comments... On 8/19/2010 8:13 AM, Martha Huizenga wrote: hi all, We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was somewhere else we gave him a

[WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Martha Huizenga
hi all, We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as follows: Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, outgoing voice, no dial tone. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net wrote: hi all, We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was somewhere

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Matt
We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as follows: Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router.

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Martha Huizenga
Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me alright. I had trouble with understanding them. Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off the main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together. Martha Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Josh Luthman
They are natting three times at the customer site?! Get them closer to your network, I'm sure at least one of those routers is causing hell. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Martha Huizenga

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Scott Lambert
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:13:01AM -0400, Martha Huizenga wrote: hi all, We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Just a quick FYI.. ALL VOIP Adapters Phones, Do not like Double Natting A lot of ATA's are routers as well, which means that they go thru NAT, and will not work behind another NAT router. Most of these devices will get across a NAT router by registering to a SIP Proxy Server, which keeps

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Glenn Kelley
I think it is time to perhaps subnet them and give them a /29 a /30 might work as well - but thinking /29 would simply be much more friendly Than simply allow them to use the equipment up to as a router (depending on your equipment this may not be possible) nat on nat on Nat is really

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Josh Luthman
ALL VOIP Adapters Phones, Do not like Double Natting Absolutely not true. I personally have many SPA2100 (same thing as spa2102 or pap2t-na in this discussion) that go: Public ip - IS Rebel, nat 1 - customer radio, nat 2 - customer soho router, nat 3 - ATA It is more dependent on your

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Glenn Kelley
I would agree - it for sure is not all adapters. Another alternative is to run a simple stunnel service for your clients On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: ALL VOIP Adapters Phones, Do not like Double Natting Absolutely not true. I personally have many SPA2100 (same

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
Usually if nat is the problem it causes one way audio not poor audio quality. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I would agree - it for sure is not all adapters. Another alternative is to run a simple stunnel service for your clients

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Josh Luthman
NAT itself, yes, but with the cheap $60 routers I'm sure they manipulate all kinds of things. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: Usually if nat is the problem it

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the customer router to take advantage of the built in qos. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: NAT itself, yes, but with the cheap $60 routers I'm sure they

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Cameron Kilton
Whenever the customer has VoIP and the ATA has a router, we try to put the ATA first. Saves a lot of heartache. -Cameron On 8/19/2010 3:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the customer router to take advantage of the built in

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Martha Huizenga
Ok, so the pingtest's he did today are: ping 36 jitter 50 packet loss 1% then ping 12 jitter 2 - packet loss 2% These were done 1 minute or so apart. There were some other suggestions about putting the ATA in front of the router. Unfortunately since he has two Vonage systems this is only

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
Jitter and packet loss are your problem. Ping time is fine. You might want to determine where the packet loss is. Is it the local wireless or your wireless. The jitter concerns me more than the packet loss. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 08/19/2010 03:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the customer router to take advantage of the built in qos. that won't help. you can't do QOS over the internet only within a private network leon

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 08/19/2010 03:57 PM, Martha Huizenga wrote: Ok, so the pingtest's he did today are: ping 36 jitter 50 packet loss 1% then ping 12 jitter 2 - packet loss 2% These were done 1 minute or so apart. There were some other suggestions about putting the ATA in front of the router. Unfortunately

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Martha Huizenga
Thanks everyone for responding. We decided that we will split the connections into two Internet connections, so we can put the ATAs at the front of each network. Then there will be a repeater in the home, but it won't affect the ATA because that will be first in the network. Thanks!

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
I suggested that so if the local network was suggested. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@backwoodswireless.net wrote: On 08/19/2010 03:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the customer

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
Congested. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@backwoodswireless.net wrote: On 08/19/2010 03:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the customer router to take advantage of the built in

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Mike Hammett
It will regulate the traffic running through itself. It'll slow down a BitTorrent or video stream so your VoIP works. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/19/2010 3:47 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 08/19/2010 03:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:

[WISPA] Vonage wins temporary reprieve against signing up new customers

2007-04-13 Thread Rich Comroe
Latest New Vonage news from yesterday: Vonage CEO resigns, cost-cutting moves planned contains the interesting quotation: ... on Friday it won a temporary reprieve from a court order prohibiting it from signing up new customers ... at least until April 24 when the next hearing occurs.

Re: [WISPA] Vonage wins temporary reprieve against signing up new customers

2007-04-13 Thread Peter R.
Turns out that VZ may not be the patent holder. Tom Keating has some interesting insight. And there is this patent: http://sabreean.com/?p=1421#more-1421 Rich Comroe wrote: Latest New Vonage news from yesterday: Vonage CEO resigns, cost-cutting moves planned contains the interesting

Re: [WISPA] Vonage wins temporary reprieve against signing up new customers

2007-04-13 Thread George Rogato
Peter R. wrote: Turns out that VZ may not be the patent holder. Tom Keating has some interesting insight. And there is this patent: http://sabreean.com/?p=1421#more-1421 Yikes, Vonage gets whacked around from Verizon and what happens if it turns out Verizon is not the patent holder? --

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2007-03-26 Thread Rich Comroe
PM Subject: [WISPA] Vonage What patents did Vonage infringe upon. What does Verizon have a patter on concerning voip and how does that effect the future? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

[WISPA] Vonage

2007-03-23 Thread George Rogato
What patents did Vonage infringe upon. What does Verizon have a patter on concerning voip and how does that effect the future? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2007-03-23 Thread Rich Comroe
numbers at issue. Rich - Original Message - From: George Rogato To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: [WISPA] Vonage What patents did Vonage infringe upon. What does Verizon have a patter on concerning voip and how does that effect

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2007-03-23 Thread Peter R.
Message - From: George Rogato To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: [WISPA] Vonage What patents did Vonage infringe upon. What does Verizon have a patter on concerning voip and how does that effect the future? -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2007-03-23 Thread Rich Comroe
a separate email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as your post reads? Rich - Original Message - From: Peter R. To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vonage I tracked down the patents and the verdict. I had to dig through PACER and pay about

[WISPA] Vonage to pay Verizon $58 million

2007-03-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=1470 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Vonage to pay Verizon $58 million

2007-03-08 Thread RickG
Your Opinion of Today's Vonage Patent Judgment? * Verizon=Patent Trolls. Vonage shouldn't have to pay them anything * Vonage should pay less, and have that apply as licensing fee * $58 million is about fair * Vonage should pay more * Verdicts such as these point to crying need for

RE: [WISPA] vonage wireless

2007-01-09 Thread Marty Dougherty
That's pretty funny. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 1:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] vonage wireless *Internet phone company Vonage said Monday that it plans to use

RE: [WISPA] vonage wireless

2007-01-09 Thread Ralph
on telco or cableco. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 6:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] vonage wireless That's pretty funny. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

[WISPA] vonage wireless

2007-01-08 Thread Dylan Oliver
*Internet phone company Vonage said Monday that it plans to use EarthLink's citywide Wi-Fi infrastructure to provide wireless broadband service along with its voice over Internet Protocol service to customers.* http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6148275.html -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC --

[WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Mark McElvy
Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:58 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine

Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brian Whigham
Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine? I wouldn't count on it. The service needs to have T.38 compatibility. I believe that BroadVoice offers that. but, you could get a separate fax service which forwards fax to your email. I think that would be a

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Rick Smith
nod, mostly miss. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax No personal experience, but have seen a discussion in the past

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brad Belton
a list of preferred fax brands/models as well. YMMV... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax No personal experience

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread David Weddell
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax It is hit and miss for multiple page faxes, but for the most part 1-3 pages will almost always go

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brad Belton
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax It is hit and miss for multiple page faxes, but for the most part 1-3 pages will almost

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brad Belton
, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Guess you're not part of the class action lawsuit against Vonage regarding fax lines

Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Matt Liotta
Brad Belton wrote: Construction sites many times have no option other than wireless data and Vonage fax lines. They make do with what they have and make the best of it. At least in our markets constructions sites get wireless data and voice with working fax directly from us. -Matt --

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread rwf
Matt- What speed/format FAX is supported now? -Original Message- At least in our markets constructions sites get wireless data and voice with working fax directly from us. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brad Belton
the opportunity to do so soon. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Brad Belton wrote: Construction sites many times

Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Joe Laura
exact machine. Go figure. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:58 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Good to hear your Asterisk

Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Matt Liotta
Brad Belton wrote: We now have a Level3 voice product that is far more flexible than Vonage or our Nuvio offerings. Voice and data haven't been an issue and are far superior to any LEC offering. Haven't tried fax over Level3 yet, but I'm sure we'll have the opportunity to do so soon. Which

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brad Belton
Hmmm...guess I'd better keep it a secret then... grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Brad Belton wrote

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless
/IP networking, security, and Mikrotik routers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax lol...sounds like you've had a rough time

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:16 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Hmmm...guess I'd better keep it a secret then... grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2006-05-31 Thread Peter R.
Never. The model doesn't work at their pricing model. They will never be profitable. The $279 acquisition costs don't include hardware, advertising, referral fees, coop fees to retail partners. Their churn is double digits. They don't indicate how many purchase hardware and never activate.

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2006-05-31 Thread Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vonage Never. The model doesn't work at their pricing model

[WISPA] Vonage Drops International Charges for Calls to Several European Countries

2006-05-02 Thread Dawn DiPietro
All, I thought this was very interesting news. As quoted from the article; Vonage America announced today that it no longer will charge international calling rates for calls placed to land lines in France, Ireland, Italy, Spain, and the U.K. The change applies

Re: [WISPA] Vonage Drops International Charges for Calls to Several European Countries

2006-05-02 Thread Tom DeReggi
Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: [WISPA] Vonage Drops International Charges for Calls to Several European Countries All, I thought this was very