Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA
Tom, The 10 points can be earned with a 3.65 GHz WiMAX product like the RedMAX 100UX and SU-O combination. You would be able to offer a service that was say 8 Mbps down / 2 Mbps up inside a 7 MHz channel easily. Obviously, the RedACCESS AN-80i PMP with 20 MHz channels would allow you to offer even higher rate services: say 24 Mbps down, 12 Mbps up and clearly offer 'true' broadband. Best regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 5:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA Yeah, good point, and disappointing. But the problem with having comparative requirments for price and speed is that providers do not just have ONE offering. For example, If someone offered 2 plans: 20mbps for $1000/mon and 1mbps for $19/mon, they could claim that they should get points for... 1) offering super low pricing, and 2) super high speeds. Are the rules written to really require that the super high speeds are sold at the super low prices? Or how many subs they can serve with either of the plans? And does it lock the party into it, after the grant term? And is up+down meaning the in agreegate capacity combination adding Up to Down , so a 10mbps HDX service qualifies for 10mbps? And does it specificy over-the-air raw versus real-throughput speed? A 802.11b radio can actually be called a 11mbps service, right? What the grant does is that it incourages deceptive and intentionally misleading marketing, even though it would still be true. I think it may force WISPs to offer two product lines. The BTOP special might be an oversubscribed 10mbps plan, with small print that the rate speciafies over-the-air, and then you have another plan, that more realistic represents real throughput speeds. Anyways WISPs will miss getting the full 20 points, but they aught to be able to get the 10 points for selling 10mbps. Will an applicant lose points for offering both 10mbps and 3 mbps plans? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA Tom, Your application score goes up considerably if you offer higher speeds then the minimum though. 20mb up+down + 10 points. 10mb up+down + 10 points. Regards Michael Baird We've been talking about on Member's list. The worst thing I saw about it was 3G cellular service appears to disqualify an area from being eligible for funding, based on definition of underserved. An area is eligible for underserved if it does not have a provider offering over 3mbps down stream. However, without conditions for upload, or mandating average, or considering wired only, 3G kills us because 3G is spec'd at 3.1 peak download. WISPA lobbied for 2mb upload and speeds based on average. We didn't get that. :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA With more strings than an orchestra! -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Charles Wyblechar...@thewybles.com wrote: http://is.gd/1ktef WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA
Do you really think it will deter the RBOC's? -RickG On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I dont think so, no. All in all, I think there requirements are fair. They also deter some companies from applying, that we'd rather not have apply. (Aka RBOC) Even in the NetNeutrality and Interconnection requirements, they leave it up to the applicant to set most of the rules, and how far they want to comply, and get higher score for more open network. Same thing for accounting, they need to have some method to measure that you are spending the money as you represent. Just as much control as any bank or investor would want, except you dont have to pay it back :-) My feeling is, if someone doesn't need the money, they shouldn't get involved, because strings are a pain. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA Thats on the technical side. What about the accounting side? Does the government want to control your company? -RickG On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: We've been talking about on Member's list. The worst thing I saw about it was 3G cellular service appears to disqualify an area from being eligible for funding, based on definition of underserved. An area is eligible for underserved if it does not have a provider offering over 3mbps down stream. However, without conditions for upload, or mandating average, or considering wired only, 3G kills us because 3G is spec'd at 3.1 peak download. WISPA lobbied for 2mb upload and speeds based on average. We didn't get that. :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA With more strings than an orchestra! -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Charles Wyblechar...@thewybles.com wrote: http://is.gd/1ktef WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA
I think they already said they weren't going to compete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 11:40 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA Do you really think it will deter the RBOC's? -RickG On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I dont think so, no. All in all, I think there requirements are fair. They also deter some companies from applying, that we'd rather not have apply. (Aka RBOC) Even in the NetNeutrality and Interconnection requirements, they leave it up to the applicant to set most of the rules, and how far they want to comply, and get higher score for more open network. Same thing for accounting, they need to have some method to measure that you are spending the money as you represent. Just as much control as any bank or investor would want, except you dont have to pay it back :-) My feeling is, if someone doesn't need the money, they shouldn't get involved, because strings are a pain. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA Thats on the technical side. What about the accounting side? Does the government want to control your company? -RickG On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: We've been talking about on Member's list. The worst thing I saw about it was 3G cellular service appears to disqualify an area from being eligible for funding, based on definition of underserved. An area is eligible for underserved if it does not have a provider offering over 3mbps down stream. However, without conditions for upload, or mandating average, or considering wired only, 3G kills us because 3G is spec'd at 3.1 peak download. WISPA lobbied for 2mb upload and speeds based on average. We didn't get that. :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA With more strings than an orchestra! -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Charles Wyblechar...@thewybles.com wrote: http://is.gd/1ktef WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA
I think it's going to be important for WISPA to educate the government and the public so they learn to differentiate between broadband FIXED wireless Internet access and MOBILE (i.e. cellular) wireless Internet access. If we don't differentiate these two different services then the grants (and the service) definitions can become and remain muddied. We already made this point once in public at the Las Vegas hearing but IMHO we really need to keep bringing this point up. No one else seems to be making it. jack Tom DeReggi wrote: We've been talking about on Member's list. The worst thing I saw about it was 3G cellular service appears to disqualify an area from being eligible for funding, based on definition of underserved. An area is eligible for underserved if it does not have a provider offering over 3mbps down stream. However, without conditions for upload, or mandating average, or considering wired only, 3G kills us because 3G is spec'd at 3.1 peak download. WISPA lobbied for 2mb upload and speeds based on average. We didn't get that. :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "RickG" rgunder...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA With more strings than an orchestra! -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Charles Wyblechar...@thewybles.com wrote: http://is.gd/1ktef WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Twitter - "wireless_jack" WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA
I certainly intent to bring it up at the workshop I will be attending. Victoria Proffer - CEO http://stlbroadband.com/ StLouisBroadband.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB - SBA 8 (a) Certification - in process. STLBBLogo From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA I think it's going to be important for WISPA to educate the government and the public so they learn to differentiate between broadband FIXED wireless Internet access and MOBILE (i.e. cellular) wireless Internet access. If we don't differentiate these two different services then the grants (and the service) definitions can become and remain muddied. We already made this point once in public at the Las Vegas hearing but IMHO we really need to keep bringing this point up. No one else seems to be making it. jack Tom DeReggi wrote: We've been talking about on Member's list. The worst thing I saw about it was 3G cellular service appears to disqualify an area from being eligible for funding, based on definition of underserved. An area is eligible for underserved if it does not have a provider offering over 3mbps down stream. However, without conditions for upload, or mandating average, or considering wired only, 3G kills us because 3G is spec'd at 3.1 peak download. WISPA lobbied for 2mb upload and speeds based on average. We didn't get that. :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA With more strings than an orchestra! -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Charles Wyble mailto:char...@thewybles.com char...@thewybles.com wrote: http://is.gd/1ktef WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Twitter - wireless_jack image001.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA
Ditto. Myself and my COO will be attending the LA workshop on July 24th. St. Louis Broadband wrote: I certainly intent to bring it up at the workshop I will be attending. Victoria Proffer - CEO http://stlbroadband.com/ StLouisBroadband.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB - SBA 8 (a) Certification - in process. STLBBLogo From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA I think it's going to be important for WISPA to educate the government and the public so they learn to differentiate between broadband FIXED wireless Internet access and MOBILE (i.e. cellular) wireless Internet access. If we don't differentiate these two different services then the grants (and the service) definitions can become and remain muddied. We already made this point once in public at the Las Vegas hearing but IMHO we really need to keep bringing this point up. No one else seems to be making it. jack Tom DeReggi wrote: We've been talking about on Member's list. The worst thing I saw about it was 3G cellular service appears to disqualify an area from being eligible for funding, based on definition of underserved. An area is eligible for underserved if it does not have a provider offering over 3mbps down stream. However, without conditions for upload, or mandating average, or considering wired only, 3G kills us because 3G is spec'd at 3.1 peak download. WISPA lobbied for 2mb upload and speeds based on average. We didn't get that. :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA With more strings than an orchestra! -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Charles Wyble mailto:char...@thewybles.com char...@thewybles.com wrote: http://is.gd/1ktef WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA
Jack, Good point. There are a lot of entities talking wireless, but most of the non-WISPs don't necessarilly benefit from distinguishing between mobility and fixed. If WISPs don't knock this point home, nobody will. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jack Unger To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA I think it's going to be important for WISPA to educate the government and the public so they learn to differentiate between broadband FIXED wireless Internet access and MOBILE (i.e. cellular) wireless Internet access. If we don't differentiate these two different services then the grants (and the service) definitions can become and remain muddied. We already made this point once in public at the Las Vegas hearing but IMHO we really need to keep bringing this point up. No one else seems to be making it. jack Tom DeReggi wrote: We've been talking about on Member's list. The worst thing I saw about it was 3G cellular service appears to disqualify an area from being eligible for funding, based on definition of underserved. An area is eligible for underserved if it does not have a provider offering over 3mbps down stream. However, without conditions for upload, or mandating average, or considering wired only, 3G kills us because 3G is spec'd at 3.1 peak download. WISPA lobbied for 2mb upload and speeds based on average. We didn't get that. :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA With more strings than an orchestra! -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Charles Wyblechar...@thewybles.com wrote: http://is.gd/1ktef WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Twitter - wireless_jack -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA
Yeah, good point, and disappointing. But the problem with having comparative requirments for price and speed is that providers do not just have ONE offering. For example, If someone offered 2 plans: 20mbps for $1000/mon and 1mbps for $19/mon, they could claim that they should get points for... 1) offering super low pricing, and 2) super high speeds. Are the rules written to really require that the super high speeds are sold at the super low prices? Or how many subs they can serve with either of the plans? And does it lock the party into it, after the grant term? And is up+down meaning the in agreegate capacity combination adding Up to Down , so a 10mbps HDX service qualifies for 10mbps? And does it specificy over-the-air raw versus real-throughput speed? A 802.11b radio can actually be called a 11mbps service, right? What the grant does is that it incourages deceptive and intentionally misleading marketing, even though it would still be true. I think it may force WISPs to offer two product lines. The BTOP special might be an oversubscribed 10mbps plan, with small print that the rate speciafies over-the-air, and then you have another plan, that more realistic represents real throughput speeds. Anyways WISPs will miss getting the full 20 points, but they aught to be able to get the 10 points for selling 10mbps. Will an applicant lose points for offering both 10mbps and 3 mbps plans? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA Tom, Your application score goes up considerably if you offer higher speeds then the minimum though. 20mb up+down + 10 points. 10mb up+down + 10 points. Regards Michael Baird We've been talking about on Member's list. The worst thing I saw about it was 3G cellular service appears to disqualify an area from being eligible for funding, based on definition of underserved. An area is eligible for underserved if it does not have a provider offering over 3mbps down stream. However, without conditions for upload, or mandating average, or considering wired only, 3G kills us because 3G is spec'd at 3.1 peak download. WISPA lobbied for 2mb upload and speeds based on average. We didn't get that. :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA With more strings than an orchestra! -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Charles Wyblechar...@thewybles.com wrote: http://is.gd/1ktef WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA
Yes, some RBOCs said they are passing on the funds. But a lot of people say a lot of things. Expecially to attempt to sway public opinion. You never know. The core of the RBOC's strategy is to kill regulation. Nothing will benefit them more than that. They do NOT want to have to share and interconnect. It could be argued, that with more competition that Stimulus funds will enable, could result in government reducing regulation on RBOCs. RBOCs have put on the record many times, they'll take competition over regulation any day. So very likely, they will pass on the funds. But its also important to realize RBOCs have different divisions. There wireline, fiber, and wireless divisions have different needs and strategies, and they are not always in sync with the others. There has been a lot of effort from associationg lobbying on behalf of wireless telcos, to blur the lines between mobile and fixed. Sprint has inferred that they need the money more than they need a closed network. Maybe other cell providers will feel the same? We'll see. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA I think they already said they weren't going to compete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 11:40 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA Do you really think it will deter the RBOC's? -RickG On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I dont think so, no. All in all, I think there requirements are fair. They also deter some companies from applying, that we'd rather not have apply. (Aka RBOC) Even in the NetNeutrality and Interconnection requirements, they leave it up to the applicant to set most of the rules, and how far they want to comply, and get higher score for more open network. Same thing for accounting, they need to have some method to measure that you are spending the money as you represent. Just as much control as any bank or investor would want, except you dont have to pay it back :-) My feeling is, if someone doesn't need the money, they shouldn't get involved, because strings are a pain. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA Thats on the technical side. What about the accounting side? Does the government want to control your company? -RickG On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: We've been talking about on Member's list. The worst thing I saw about it was 3G cellular service appears to disqualify an area from being eligible for funding, based on definition of underserved. An area is eligible for underserved if it does not have a provider offering over 3mbps down stream. However, without conditions for upload, or mandating average, or considering wired only, 3G kills us because 3G is spec'd at 3.1 peak download. WISPA lobbied for 2mb upload and speeds based on average. We didn't get that. :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA With more strings than an orchestra! -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Charles Wyblechar...@thewybles.com wrote: http://is.gd/1ktef WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe
Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA
We've been talking about on Member's list. The worst thing I saw about it was 3G cellular service appears to disqualify an area from being eligible for funding, based on definition of underserved. An area is eligible for underserved if it does not have a provider offering over 3mbps down stream. However, without conditions for upload, or mandating average, or considering wired only, 3G kills us because 3G is spec'd at 3.1 peak download. WISPA lobbied for 2mb upload and speeds based on average. We didn't get that. :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA With more strings than an orchestra! -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Charles Wyblechar...@thewybles.com wrote: http://is.gd/1ktef WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA
Thats on the technical side. What about the accounting side? Does the government want to control your company? -RickG On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: We've been talking about on Member's list. The worst thing I saw about it was 3G cellular service appears to disqualify an area from being eligible for funding, based on definition of underserved. An area is eligible for underserved if it does not have a provider offering over 3mbps down stream. However, without conditions for upload, or mandating average, or considering wired only, 3G kills us because 3G is spec'd at 3.1 peak download. WISPA lobbied for 2mb upload and speeds based on average. We didn't get that. :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA With more strings than an orchestra! -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Charles Wyblechar...@thewybles.com wrote: http://is.gd/1ktef WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA
I dont think so, no. All in all, I think there requirements are fair. They also deter some companies from applying, that we'd rather not have apply. (Aka RBOC) Even in the NetNeutrality and Interconnection requirements, they leave it up to the applicant to set most of the rules, and how far they want to comply, and get higher score for more open network. Same thing for accounting, they need to have some method to measure that you are spending the money as you represent. Just as much control as any bank or investor would want, except you dont have to pay it back :-) My feeling is, if someone doesn't need the money, they shouldn't get involved, because strings are a pain. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA Thats on the technical side. What about the accounting side? Does the government want to control your company? -RickG On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: We've been talking about on Member's list. The worst thing I saw about it was 3G cellular service appears to disqualify an area from being eligible for funding, based on definition of underserved. An area is eligible for underserved if it does not have a provider offering over 3mbps down stream. However, without conditions for upload, or mandating average, or considering wired only, 3G kills us because 3G is spec'd at 3.1 peak download. WISPA lobbied for 2mb upload and speeds based on average. We didn't get that. :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA With more strings than an orchestra! -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Charles Wyblechar...@thewybles.com wrote: http://is.gd/1ktef WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA
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Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA
With more strings than an orchestra! -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Charles Wyblechar...@thewybles.com wrote: http://is.gd/1ktef WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
