Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
I figured the 1:1 was what would have to happen. Since that ties up a public address, we charge for it. He wasn't real keen on that. Yes, we have 100+ customers per NATted public IP address. On 12/28/2010 11:10 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: The only way to make it Open is to 1:1 NAT or make it the default for all packets on their NAT IP. I nat at the border and just assign another IP and do subnet:1 NAt and then make the console the default. Do you have more then 1 customer per NAT IP?? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Scott Reedsr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Thank you, Blake. That is the one. After the memory refresh, I still have one question. The router doing the NAT is a Mikrotik running 3.30. Is there a way to make it do Open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Another reason why you don't NAT at the border. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/28/2010 6:57 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Well now I don't think I can do that to the one customer since the NAT is at the border. Then all the other customers would call because their game doesn't work. And that customer has a least 2 units. On 12/28/2010 7:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Then you will need to port forward 3074 to the xbox. Obviously limited to 1 that way. On Dec 28, 2010 7:16 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we NAT at the border, a packet sent to the address/port combination will get to the customer XBox. They are using a switch on the inside. On 12/28/2010 7:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Did you PAT to the xbox? Ie if a packet is sent to the customers ip seen by the world, would it hit the xbox? On Dec 28, 2010 7:08 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we have all ports open, well at least the ones described in anything I can find about XBox NAT, and NAT at the border, why would customers not have open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:03 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Not the best description, but http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043 I know the post you are talking about, but I can't seem to find it either. On 12/28/10 4:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
My XBox has had Open NAT since 2.9.x. You just forward port 3074 (I think that's the port) to the XBox's IP. Newer versions (I forget the starting version) will do uPNP with multiple XBoxes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/28/2010 7:04 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Thank you, Blake. That is the one. After the memory refresh, I still have one question. The router doing the NAT is a Mikrotik running 3.30. Is there a way to make it do Open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
4.6 in Mikrotik On Dec 29, 2010 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: My XBox has had Open NAT since 2.9.x. You just forward port 3074 (I think that's the port) to the XBox's IP. Newer versions (I forget the starting version) will do uPNP with multiple XBoxes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/28/2010 7:04 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Thank you, Blake. That is the one. After the memory refresh, I still have one question. The router doing the NAT is a Mikrotik running 3.30. Is there a way to make it do Open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Doesn't UPnP require the NAT device be the next upstream device? On 12/29/2010 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: My XBox has had Open NAT since 2.9.x. You just forward port 3074 (I think that's the port) to the XBox's IP. Newer versions (I forget the starting version) will do uPNP with multiple XBoxes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/28/2010 7:04 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Thank you, Blake. That is the one. After the memory refresh, I still have one question. The router doing the NAT is a Mikrotik running 3.30. Is there a way to make it do Open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
I would assume so. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/29/2010 8:23 AM, Scott Reed wrote: Doesn't UPnP require the NAT device be the next upstream device? On 12/29/2010 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: My XBox has had Open NAT since 2.9.x. You just forward port 3074 (I think that's the port) to the XBox's IP. Newer versions (I forget the starting version) will do uPNP with multiple XBoxes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/28/2010 7:04 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Thank you, Blake. That is the one. After the memory refresh, I still have one question. The router doing the NAT is a Mikrotik running 3.30. Is there a way to make it do Open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Yes Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I would assume so. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/29/2010 8:23 AM, Scott Reed wrote: Doesn't UPnP require the NAT device be the next upstream device? On 12/29/2010 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: My XBox has had Open NAT since 2.9.x. You just forward port 3074 (I think that's the port) to the XBox's IP. Newer versions (I forget the starting version) will do uPNP with multiple XBoxes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/28/2010 7:04 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Thank you, Blake. That is the one. After the memory refresh, I still have one question. The router doing the NAT is a Mikrotik running 3.30. Is there a way to make it do Open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
I NAT at the border just fine. It is 1:1 and not 100:1 however. I provide the first public free, the next (for 2+ consoles) is extra. I wish IPv6 was moving faster. On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Another reason why you don't NAT at the border. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/28/2010 6:57 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Well now I don't think I can do that to the one customer since the NAT is at the border. Then all the other customers would call because their game doesn't work. And that customer has a least 2 units. On 12/28/2010 7:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Then you will need to port forward 3074 to the xbox. Obviously limited to 1 that way. On Dec 28, 2010 7:16 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we NAT at the border, a packet sent to the address/port combination will get to the customer XBox. They are using a switch on the inside. On 12/28/2010 7:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Did you PAT to the xbox? Ie if a packet is sent to the customers ip seen by the world, would it hit the xbox? On Dec 28, 2010 7:08 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we have all ports open, well at least the ones described in anything I can find about XBox NAT, and NAT at the border, why would customers not have open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:03 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Not the best description, but http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043 I know the post you are talking about, but I can't seem to find it either. On 12/28/10 4:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Not the best description, but http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043 I know the post you are talking about, but I can't seem to find it either. On 12/28/10 4:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Since we have all ports open, well at least the ones described in anything I can find about XBox NAT, and NAT at the border, why would customers not have open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:03 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Not the best description, but http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043 I know the post you are talking about, but I can't seem to find it either. On 12/28/10 4:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Did you PAT to the xbox? Ie if a packet is sent to the customers ip seen by the world, would it hit the xbox? On Dec 28, 2010 7:08 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we have all ports open, well at least the ones described in anything I can find about XBox NAT, and NAT at the border, why would customers not have open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:03 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Not the best description, but http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043 I know the post you are talking about, but I can't seem to find it either. On 12/28/10 4:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Since we NAT at the border, a packet sent to the address/port combination will get to the customer XBox. They are using a switch on the inside. On 12/28/2010 7:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Did you PAT to the xbox? Ie if a packet is sent to the customers ip seen by the world, would it hit the xbox? On Dec 28, 2010 7:08 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we have all ports open, well at least the ones described in anything I can find about XBox NAT, and NAT at the border, why would customers not have open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:03 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Not the best description, but http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043 I know the post you are talking about, but I can't seem to find it either. On 12/28/10 4:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Then you will need to port forward 3074 to the xbox. Obviously limited to 1 that way. On Dec 28, 2010 7:16 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we NAT at the border, a packet sent to the address/port combination will get to the customer XBox. They are using a switch on the inside. On 12/28/2010 7:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Did you PAT to the xbox? Ie if a packet is sent to the customers ip seen by the world, would it hit the xbox? On Dec 28, 2010 7:08 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we have all ports open, well at least the ones described in anything I can find about XBox NAT, and NAT at the border, why would customers not have open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:03 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Not the best description, but http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043 I know the post you are talking about, but I can't seem to find it either. On 12/28/10 4:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Well now I don't think I can do that to the one customer since the NAT is at the border. Then all the other customers would call because their game doesn't work. And that customer has a least 2 units. On 12/28/2010 7:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Then you will need to port forward 3074 to the xbox. Obviously limited to 1 that way. On Dec 28, 2010 7:16 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we NAT at the border, a packet sent to the address/port combination will get to the customer XBox. They are using a switch on the inside. On 12/28/2010 7:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Did you PAT to the xbox? Ie if a packet is sent to the customers ip seen by the world, would it hit the xbox? On Dec 28, 2010 7:08 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we have all ports open, well at least the ones described in anything I can find about XBox NAT, and NAT at the border, why would customers not have open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:03 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Not the best description, but http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043 I know the post you are talking about, but I can't seem to find it either. On 12/28/10 4:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
That's my point. I am pretty sure you can dstnat and the other xbox will stay closed/restricted NAT. On Dec 28, 2010 7:57 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Well now I don't think I can do that to the one customer since the NAT is at the border. Then all the other customers would call because their game doesn't work. And that customer has a least 2 units. On 12/28/2010 7:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Then you will need to port forward 3074 to the xbox. Obviously limited to 1 that way. On Dec 28, 2010 7:16 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we NAT at the border, a packet sent to the address/port combination will get to the customer XBox. They are using a switch on the inside. On 12/28/2010 7:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Did you PAT to the xbox? Ie if a packet is sent to the customers ip seen by the world, would it hit the xbox? On Dec 28, 2010 7:08 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we have all ports open, well at least the ones described in anything I can find about XBox NAT, and NAT at the border, why would customers not have open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:03 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Not the best description, but http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043 I know the post you are talking about, but I can't seem to find it either. On 12/28/10 4:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Thank you, Blake. That is the one. After the memory refresh, I still have one question. The router doing the NAT is a Mikrotik running 3.30. Is there a way to make it do Open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
That would be this one.. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live It was originally from Liam. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Does UPnP help? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: That would be this one.. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live It was originally from Liam. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
The only way to make it Open is to 1:1 NAT or make it the default for all packets on their NAT IP. I nat at the border and just assign another IP and do subnet:1 NAt and then make the console the default. Do you have more then 1 customer per NAT IP?? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Thank you, Blake. That is the one. After the memory refresh, I still have one question. The router doing the NAT is a Mikrotik running 3.30. Is there a way to make it do Open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/