Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port from 1024 through 65535 to my IP

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Linksys defaults upnp to on. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Default for everything I'm aware of is off. Unless

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-05 Thread Blake Covarrubias
? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 3:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP We've been using v6 internally for about

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-05 Thread RickG
When I worked for ATT Wireless we purchased everything from DS3's to DS1's from Time Warner Telecom. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 8/4/2010 08:06 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:   Time Warner Telecom and Time Warner Cable are entirely different

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-04 Thread Scottie Arnett
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Fired. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-04 Thread John Thomas
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Robert, what upstream is charging $15 per month? If that is true, I have a portable /19 I am going to start

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-04 Thread Blake Covarrubias
. Or not. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP And if I were your client, and you told me $10

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-04 Thread Mike Hammett
] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Robert, what upstream is charging $15 per month? If that is true, I have a portable /19 I am going to start renting.. John Robert Westrobert.w...@just

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-04 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 8/4/2010 08:06 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Time Warner Telecom and Time Warner Cable are entirely different companies. No present relationship whatsoever. Even worse than that. tw Telecom (small tw), Time Warner Cable, and Time Warner Inc. (CNN-Turner, Time magazine, etc.) are *three*

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-04 Thread Adam Kennedy
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I see 15/month for static public all the time here. I guess it depends on your market. But I also have comcast doing 50/5 here to. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2010, at 6:27 PM, John Thomas

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-04 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I see 15/month for static public all the time here. I guess it depends on your market. But I also have comcast doing 50/5 here to. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2010, at 6:27 PM, John Thomasjtho...@quarnet.com wrote: And if I were your client, and you told

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-04 Thread Robert West
Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 3:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP We've been using v6 internally for about a year. We've recently begun providing v6 to select customers; usually the ones with /26 or more of v4 address space

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-04 Thread Robert West
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Time Warner Telecom and Time Warner Cable are entirely different companies. No present relationship whatsoever. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/4/2010 1:23 AM, John Thomas wrote: Yes

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-03 Thread Robert West
How long have been using the v6? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I wasn't aware so

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-03 Thread RickG
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would find a new ISP. The most I have ever

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-03 Thread Justin Wilson
...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 12:00:42 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-03 Thread Josh Luthman
General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP  I plan to IPv6 in the next year or so. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/2/2010 10:04 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: Reason number 5392 to not NAT your customers. Along

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-03 Thread Cameron Kilton
Back when I had time for playing games, I did this very same thing. Put my own game server in and, man, it was fun...latency rocked! -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-03 Thread Robert West
ATT and Time Warner. You may have heard of them. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Robert

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-03 Thread Jeremie Chism
to be one you'd rather let go. Or not. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP And if I were your client

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-03 Thread Jeremie Chism
of them. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Robert, what upstream is charging $15 per month

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-03 Thread RickG
-0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP  I plan to IPv6 in the next year or so. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/2/2010 10:04 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: Reason number 5392 to not NAT your

[WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers. From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Mike Hammett
You need one of the 4.x releases of MT for XBox uPNP to work. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/2/2010 9:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Josh Luthman
I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even this requires a public IP on the

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Nick Olsen
...@wavelinc.com Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Justin Wilson
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 10:07:57 -0400 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Jeremy Parr
Reason number 5392 to not NAT your customers. Along those lines, who is rolling out a dual stack ipv6 network? On 8/2/10, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Glenn Kelley
This could be a huge advantage to you. Walk with me a second... or two. If a client wishes a Dedicated IP address that works for services such as Gaming, VPN, etc. Then let them pay a little extra for it. I see this as a natural money maker myself. -- glenn On Aug 2, 2010, at 11:04 AM,

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Adam Kennedy
:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told that it's a big security hole. Thoughts on that? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Josh Luthman
, 2010 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
- Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Josh Luthman
@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Glenn Kelley
-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told that it's a big security hole. Thoughts on that? marlon

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Glenn Kelley
...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Justin Wilson
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the customer is Im gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins* and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Fred Goldstein
they can enable UPnP themselves. -Kurt Fankhauser - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.comj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Mike Hammett
AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Mike Hammett
I plan to IPv6 in the next year or so. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/2/2010 10:04 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: Reason number 5392 to not NAT your customers. Along those lines, who is rolling out a dual stack ipv6 network? On 8/2/10, Kurt

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Greg Ihnen
: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Justin Wilson
-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 12:00:42 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I plan to IPv6 in the next year or so. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/2/2010 10:04

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread RickG
been told that it's a big security hole. Thoughts on that? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I don't seem

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Blair Davis
ct: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp.

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Josh Luthman
that it's a big security hole. Thoughts on that? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I don't seem to have any issues

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Greg Ihnen
: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they gave me) so I

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread John Thomas
@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Josh Luthman
: Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the customer is Im gonna... - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA Gener... Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Don't

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Robert West
List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Robert West
Ditto! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Around here everyone charges 15 for a static. On Aug 2, 2010 7:29 PM, John

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Glenn Kelley
with to make this work ideal according to the customer is Im gonna... - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA Gener... Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Don't the majority of us NAT

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread RickG
- Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Robert West
Or dreaming. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Time Warner is about $15 In this neck of the woods

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Chuck Profito
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP BellSouth (ATT) charges $10. On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:27 PM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: And if I were

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Mike
List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Robert West
Fired. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 2 August 2010 20:26, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Time Warner is about $15 In this neck of the woods there are not that many providers - you going elsewhere would necessitate you either going into business for yourself or moving to Sneaker Net ;-) For a *static* or just for

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Mike
Yup! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Fired

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Robert West
With me, a static and public is one in the same. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP On 2 August 2010 20:26, Glenn

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Jeremie Chism
List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told that it's a big security hole. Thoughts on that? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Jeremie Chism
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. John Kurt

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Blake Covarrubias
. Or not. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Robert West
of the cost of providing service to that customer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I wasn't

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread John Thomas
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. John Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Everything i keep coming up

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread John Thomas
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I wasn't aware so many WISPs charge for static and/or public IPs. We have a /19 and /21 IPv4 allocation, and a /32 v6 allocation. All