Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
Most everyone with dsl already has a wireless access point thanks to Qwest, ATT and a few others. Nice 400mw units to boot! I am 'more afraid' of the 1099 stuff then I am of the FCC wanting licenses for all RF devices, but some days I can imagine all new stuff having a GPS chip and needing to phone into a database to ask permission to operate. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:34 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: The day they try that I'm buying a bunch and giving them out to everyone I know as long as they promise to light it up! On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: No doubt, we have politicians that live in a fantasy world while we live in reality. I'm still waiting for mandatory licensing of wireless routers. -- Original Message -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:55:34 -0400 What a racket. All I can say is Big Brother. Add another Bill to the list to fight and burn. I do find it ironic though, how classic Sci-Fi literature finds a way to evolve into current day reality politics. Sometimes I think these law makers either did not read enough as kids, or then again maybe they read to much. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? I'm thinking the Gov'mnt will not know for sure if there is a backdoor or not without trying it, and with just a few more clicks they are monitoring some guy at random and so we WILL be checked at random for our Protection. There goes the whole warrant thing right there. I am sure it works for them, Not Us. On 10/19/2010 12:13 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
http://www.networkworld.com/columnists/2010/100610antonopoulos.html covers it with reasonable skill. Basically if this happens, illegal activity will be safely secure with illegal encryption (The cat is out of the bag with regard to quality encryption), and legal activity will be of unknown security because of the backdoors. Add software developers to the list of people who should be irate. That's where the back doors will be. I predict, if it is allowed to happen, all software industry will leave the USA (except perhaps those making stuff soley for the government) for greener pastures where they can make software that people can trust. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 02:43:31PM -0430, Greg Ihnen wrote: I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:25 PM, MDK wrote: LOL... Seriously, I've not seen any mention of this anywhere on any of the wireless sites, nor any other news site... So, my question... Does anyone know anything about this? I'm thinking that just about every telecom/internet/isp/voip/etc engaged entity should be on high alert to head this off at the pass, so to speak. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: RickG Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? They'll call it the obama-air bill. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1 Quote: An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice and Commerce Departments, the F.B.I.and other agencies recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being presented with a court order. There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a package to Congress next year. Another quote: Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative ?safe harbor,? ensuring the firm could not be fined. I am obviously not being... anything other that correct to say People, this is serious... You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face massive liability for fines and fees? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
Ya, but I'm talking about EVERYONE. I'd plug them in just for the sake of it, even if they're not connected to anything. OK, enough of that cause it probably wont happen anyway. With that said, I agree, the 1099 thing is ridiculous. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.netwrote: Most everyone with dsl already has a wireless access point thanks to Qwest, ATT and a few others. Nice 400mw units to boot! I am 'more afraid' of the 1099 stuff then I am of the FCC wanting licenses for all RF devices, but some days I can imagine all new stuff having a GPS chip and needing to phone into a database to ask permission to operate. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:34 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: The day they try that I'm buying a bunch and giving them out to everyone I know as long as they promise to light it up! On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: No doubt, we have politicians that live in a fantasy world while we live in reality. I'm still waiting for mandatory licensing of wireless routers. -- Original Message -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:55:34 -0400 What a racket. All I can say is Big Brother. Add another Bill to the list to fight and burn. I do find it ironic though, how classic Sci-Fi literature finds a way to evolve into current day reality politics. Sometimes I think these law makers either did not read enough as kids, or then again maybe they read to much. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? I'm thinking the Gov'mnt will not know for sure if there is a backdoor or not without trying it, and with just a few more clicks they are monitoring some guy at random and so we WILL be checked at random for our Protection. There goes the whole warrant thing right there. I am sure it works for them, Not Us. On 10/19/2010 12:13 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
I'm thinking the Gov'mnt will not know for sure if there is a backdoor or not without trying it, and with just a few more clicks they are monitoring some guy at random and so we WILL be checked at random for our Protection. There goes the whole warrant thing right there. I am sure it works for them, Not Us. On 10/19/2010 12:13 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
On the bright side, it will breed a whole wave of encryption. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? I'm thinking the Gov'mnt will not know for sure if there is a backdoor or not without trying it, and with just a few more clicks they are monitoring some guy at random and so we WILL be checked at random for our Protection. There goes the whole warrant thing right there. I am sure it works for them, Not Us. On 10/19/2010 12:13 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
What a racket. All I can say is Big Brother. Add another Bill to the list to fight and burn. I do find it ironic though, how classic Sci-Fi literature finds a way to evolve into current day reality politics. Sometimes I think these law makers either did not read enough as kids, or then again maybe they read to much. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? I'm thinking the Gov'mnt will not know for sure if there is a backdoor or not without trying it, and with just a few more clicks they are monitoring some guy at random and so we WILL be checked at random for our Protection. There goes the whole warrant thing right there. I am sure it works for them, Not Us. On 10/19/2010 12:13 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
No doubt, we have politicians that live in a fantasy world while we live in reality. I'm still waiting for mandatory licensing of wireless routers. -- Original Message -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:55:34 -0400 What a racket. All I can say is Big Brother. Add another Bill to the list to fight and burn. I do find it ironic though, how classic Sci-Fi literature finds a way to evolve into current day reality politics. Sometimes I think these law makers either did not read enough as kids, or then again maybe they read to much. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? I'm thinking the Gov'mnt will not know for sure if there is a backdoor or not without trying it, and with just a few more clicks they are monitoring some guy at random and so we WILL be checked at random for our Protection. There goes the whole warrant thing right there. I am sure it works for them, Not Us. On 10/19/2010 12:13 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
Bite your tongue. In some countries I am told that it is illegal to send RF across a public ROW with out a license. If you think the government could not manage it, look at the coming 1099 debacle. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: No doubt, we have politicians that live in a fantasy world while we live in reality. I'm still waiting for mandatory licensing of wireless routers. -- Original Message -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:55:34 -0400 What a racket. All I can say is Big Brother. Add another Bill to the list to fight and burn. I do find it ironic though, how classic Sci-Fi literature finds a way to evolve into current day reality politics. Sometimes I think these law makers either did not read enough as kids, or then again maybe they read to much. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? I'm thinking the Gov'mnt will not know for sure if there is a backdoor or not without trying it, and with just a few more clicks they are monitoring some guy at random and so we WILL be checked at random for our Protection. There goes the whole warrant thing right there. I am sure it works for them, Not Us. On 10/19/2010 12:13 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
The day they try that I'm buying a bunch and giving them out to everyone I know as long as they promise to light it up! On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: No doubt, we have politicians that live in a fantasy world while we live in reality. I'm still waiting for mandatory licensing of wireless routers. -- Original Message -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:55:34 -0400 What a racket. All I can say is Big Brother. Add another Bill to the list to fight and burn. I do find it ironic though, how classic Sci-Fi literature finds a way to evolve into current day reality politics. Sometimes I think these law makers either did not read enough as kids, or then again maybe they read to much. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? I'm thinking the Gov'mnt will not know for sure if there is a backdoor or not without trying it, and with just a few more clicks they are monitoring some guy at random and so we WILL be checked at random for our Protection. There goes the whole warrant thing right there. I am sure it works for them, Not Us. On 10/19/2010 12:13 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1 Quote: An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice and Commerce Departments, the F.B.I.and other agencies recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being presented with a court order. There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a package to Congress next year. Another quote: Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative safe harbor, ensuring the firm could not be fined. I am obviously not being... anything other that correct to say People, this is serious... You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face massive liability for fines and fees? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
They'll call it the obama-air bill. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1 Quote: An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice and Commerce Departments, the F.B.I.http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal_bureau_of_investigation/index.html?inline=nyt-organd other agencies recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being presented with a court order. There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a package to Congress next year. Another quote: Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative “safe harbor,” ensuring the firm could not be fined. I am obviously not being... anything other that correct to say People, this is serious... You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face massive liability for fines and fees? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
Yes. Benn talk of it for a few weeks at least. They want keys to all encryption and a way to tap in at a moment's notice. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1 Quote: An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice and Commerce Departments, the http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal _bureau_of_investigation/index.html?inline=nyt-org F.B.I.and other agencies recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being presented with a court order. There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a package to Congress next year. Another quote: Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative safe harbor, ensuring the firm could not be fined. I am obviously not being... anything other that correct to say People, this is serious... You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face massive liability for fines and fees? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
LOL... Seriously, I've not seen any mention of this anywhere on any of the wireless sites, nor any other news site... So, my question... Does anyone know anything about this? I'm thinking that just about every telecom/internet/isp/voip/etc engaged entity should be on high alert to head this off at the pass, so to speak. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: RickG Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? They'll call it the obama-air bill. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1 Quote: An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice and Commerce Departments, the F.B.I.and other agencies recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being presented with a court order. There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a package to Congress next year. Another quote: Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative “safe harbor,” ensuring the firm could not be fined. I am obviously not being... anything other that correct to say People, this is serious... You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face massive liability for fines and fees? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:25 PM, MDK wrote: LOL... Seriously, I've not seen any mention of this anywhere on any of the wireless sites, nor any other news site... So, my question... Does anyone know anything about this? I'm thinking that just about every telecom/internet/isp/voip/etc engaged entity should be on high alert to head this off at the pass, so to speak. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: RickG Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? They'll call it the obama-air bill. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1 Quote: An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice and Commerce Departments, the F.B.I.and other agencies recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being presented with a court order. There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a package to Congress next year. Another quote: Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative “safe harbor,” ensuring the firm could not be fined. I am obviously not being... anything other that correct to say People, this is serious... You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face massive liability for fines and fees? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
Never fear. Wiki Leaks will post all the decrypt keys and I'll have them all put onto a tee-shirt and sell it on eBay It's all good. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:25 PM, MDK wrote: LOL... Seriously, I've not seen any mention of this anywhere on any of the wireless sites, nor any other news site... So, my question... Does anyone know anything about this? I'm thinking that just about every telecom/internet/isp/voip/etc engaged entity should be on high alert to head this off at the pass, so to speak. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? They'll call it the obama-air bill. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1 Quote: An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice and Commerce Departments, the http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal _bureau_of_investigation/index.html?inline=nyt-org F.B.I.and other agencies recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being presented with a court order. There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a package to Congress next year. Another quote: Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative safe harbor, ensuring the firm could not be fined. I am obviously not being... anything other that correct to say People, this is serious... You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face massive liability for fines and fees? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
News max popped up with it but not too much of an explanation. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? LOL... Seriously, I've not seen any mention of this anywhere on any of the wireless sites, nor any other news site... So, my question... Does anyone know anything about this? I'm thinking that just about every telecom/internet/isp/voip/etc engaged entity should be on high alert to head this off at the pass, so to speak. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? They'll call it the obama-air bill. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1 Quote: An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice and Commerce Departments, the http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal _bureau_of_investigation/index.html?inline=nyt-org F.B.I.and other agencies recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being presented with a court order. There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a package to Congress next year. Another quote: Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative safe harbor, ensuring the firm could not be fined. I am obviously not being... anything other that correct to say People, this is serious... You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face massive liability for fines and fees? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
More of the change everyone wanted Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:25 PM, MDK wrote: LOL... Seriously, I've not seen any mention of this anywhere on any of the wireless sites, nor any other news site... So, my question... Does anyone know anything about this? I'm thinking that just about every telecom/internet/isp/voip/etc engaged entity should be on high alert to head this off at the pass, so to speak. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? They'll call it the obama-air bill. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1 Quote: An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice and Commerce Departments, the http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal _bureau_of_investigation/index.html?inline=nyt-org F.B.I.and other agencies recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being presented with a court order. There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a package to Congress next year. Another quote: Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative safe harbor, ensuring the firm could not be fined. I am obviously not being... anything other that correct to say People, this is serious... You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face massive liability for fines and fees? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
