Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Matt Liotta
It does make you wonder why the ISP in question wasn't multi-homed. -Matt Tim Wolfe wrote: Thank The good Lord above that I never signed the TelCove contract for bandwidth last year!. I mean, you really have no idea what the local provider was doing wrong, but to turn off a school district

RE: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread n7mfy
SAID is an arabic surname, we probably have another dimention to this that has not been explored yet. Could it be discrimination? or DHS? Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:39:26 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone see this? Thank The good Lord above

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone see this? It does make you wonder why the ISP in question wasn't multi-homed. -Matt Tim

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:07 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] anyone see this? SAID is an arabic surname, we probably have another

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread John Scrivner
Maybe it is very costly to do? Charter Pipeline service in my market is not multi-homed either. Neither am I at this point. I used to be multi-homed in the days when 2 T1s did the job. It is not easy to swing redundant fiber runs in a town that is 75 miles from the nearest telco-hotel. When I

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Matt Liotta
Sure it is more costly than being single-homed, but being multi-homed is pretty important. If your single provider goes down what do you tell your customers? -Matt John Scrivner wrote: Maybe it is very costly to do? Charter Pipeline service in my market is not multi-homed either. Neither am

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread George Rogato
See now that is the issue around here. If we want true redundancy we need to ride two different fibers out of town. One is the fiber we are already on, and the other is the expensive guys Qwest. We hate to give Qwest a dime. Matt Liotta wrote: Sure it is more costly than being

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Tom DeReggi
- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone see this? It does make you wonder why the ISP in question wasn't multi-homed. -Matt Tim Wolfe

RE: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Can you do a microwave shot from another town/provider? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone see this? See now that is the issue around

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread John Scrivner
I tell them the fiber is down. I guess I could go broke trying to be more fault tolerant. Please understand I appreciate your feedback but understand that my service area does not have a single fault tolerant broadband solution. If people want fault tolerance here then the option is to buy two

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Matt Liotta
Tom DeReggi wrote: It does make you wonder why the ISP in question wasn't multi-homed. Although, I recognize being multi-homed would have protected the WISP in this situation... That is not really the issue. The issue is that Businesses often build strategic partnerships, and togeather

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Matt Liotta
I can't imagine you would go broke. I seem to recall that you aren't but a couple of radio shots away from cheap bandwidth in St. Louis. Certainly, a couple of long range high throughput radios wouldn't make you go broke. -Matt John Scrivner wrote: I tell them the fiber is down. I guess I

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread George Rogato
You know, this really is the answer. Two different isp's I've had the customers over the years, that want 10- 9's because their business depends upon the internet, but then they don't want to pay an extra 30 - 40.00 per month to get it. John Scrivner wrote: I tell them the fiber is down.

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Matt Liotta
George Rogato wrote: You know, this really is the answer. Two different isp's I've had the customers over the years, that want 10- 9's because their business depends upon the internet, but then they don't want to pay an extra 30 - 40.00 per month to get it. So you would recommend to your

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread George Rogato
Matt Liotta wrote: George Rogato wrote: You know, this really is the answer. Two different isp's I've had the customers over the years, that want 10- 9's because their business depends upon the internet, but then they don't want to pay an extra 30 - 40.00 per month to get it. So you would

RE: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Jeff Broadwick
, March 16, 2007 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone see this? See now that is the issue around here. If we want true redundancy we need to ride two different fibers out of town. One is the fiber we are already on, and the other is the expensive guys Qwest. We hate to give

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread George Rogato
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone see this? See now that is the issue around here. If we want true redundancy we need to ride two different fibers out of town. One is the fiber we are already

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread John Scrivner
Matt, Charter Pipeline in this market is not multi-homed. It costs me about $40K per year to be multi-homed. I do not see it as a necessity. That is MY opinion. It costs Joe User about $40 per month more to be multi-homed in my market. It is what I suggest to anyone who says they depend on

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread John Thomas
Having a 4xT as a backup is better than no connection. John John Scrivner wrote: Maybe it is very costly to do? Charter Pipeline service in my market is not multi-homed either. Neither am I at this point. I used to be multi-homed in the days when 2 T1s did the job. It is not easy to

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Travis Johnson
Just a couple quick points... You mentioned you are 75 miles from the nearest telco-hotel. We are 200 miles from the nearest telco POP. There are ways to be redundant in these rural markets without it costing you a fortune. Next, being multi-homed is different than a redundant links to

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread John Scrivner
As I stated earlier I appreciate everyone's ideas but last I checked I run my own business. Everyone can do their business however they wish. I do not consider the fiber connection I have to be the weak point in my network. There are several points of failure in an ISP including your system I

[WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-15 Thread Matt Liotta
http://gigaom.com/2007/03/14/why-did-level-3-turn-off-a-rural-isp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-15 Thread Tim Wolfe
Thank The good Lord above that I never signed the TelCove contract for bandwidth last year!. I mean, you really have no idea what the local provider was doing wrong, but to turn off a school district and fire CO on that system, COME ON!. You can bet the lawsuits from the school district alone