Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

2007-05-08 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Johnny,

There is nothing specific about my statement. I was talking about cash 
flow not compliance but I never mentioned either in my statement. That 
is where the assumption came in.


This thread was brought about by the discussion as of late with some 
WISP's saying that they don't earn enough money to install another 
customer never mind the fact that the CALEA compliance solutions 
currently available are out of their price range. So this was not 
brought on by a discussion about whether or not they will comply with 
CALEA but that they don't have the cash flow.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

JohnnyO wrote:
Oh - why did I assume anything when you specifically said the 
following..


Marlon,


**To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their 
heads at this point.** This is just an opportunity for them to 
get out gracefully if they choose to do so.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Dawn - this was started around the CALEA compliance issue... What 
would be a good opportunity for them to get out when the discussion is 
about Matt offering companies a way to sell out due to CALEA 
compliance


JohnnyO

- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Johnny,

I NEVER said anyone was in over their heads in regards to CALEA. I 
was talking in general. So don't go putting words into my mouth. What 
makes you think these companies won't be offered fair market value? 
Another assumption?


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


JohnnyO wrote:
Dawn - the way I see it is that this is a way for a company with 
deep pockets to come in and buy up some companies at below market 
value. To use CALEA as a marketing tool for such is in my book 
completely out of line. Well I guess it isn't depending on who you 
are...


NOONE is over their heads with CALEA at the moment. Jeeesh - let's 
let this play out before anyone goes on a doom and gloom campaign.


JohnnyO
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Marlon,

To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads 
at this point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out 
gracefully if they choose to do so.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action?

I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but 
CALEA isn't even on the list let alone near the top.


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- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale?


In discussions with others it has come to my attention that 
several companies are looking to exit the business for various 
reasons not the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about 
exploring an exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a 
variety of options from taking a controlling interest to an 
outright cash buyout.


I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is 
coming fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a 
business that is not compliant after the deadline passes.


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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

2007-05-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Agreed.  That's different than a panic over CALEA brought on by all of the 
fear mongering and FUD though.


Heck, if someone wants it bad enough I'd be happy to sell out!  I'm pretty 
proud of what I've got going here though :-).  Make that check out to cash 
and make it a big one Matt!  grin


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- Original Message - 
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Marlon,

To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at this 
point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out gracefully if they 
choose to do so.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action?

I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA 
isn't even on the list let alone near the top.


Marlon
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- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale?


In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several 
companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the 
least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, 
contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options from taking 
a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout.


I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is coming 
fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a business that 
is not compliant after the deadline passes.


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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

2007-05-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

My plans are filed.  Kris is great!  grin

As for enforcement, we've been liable for a long time, just like the telcos. 
This is nothing new.


I've spent a lot of time talking to the FBI head of CALEA.  They know that 
we've been caught between a rock and a hard place here.  They didn't make 
any effort to find us and get us up to speed etc.  Yeah, I know the info was 
out there but how many knew anything about it?


WISPA is working on a standard and other tools to help folks out here. 
There are people that can help you do an intercept right now.  It might not 
be a perfect solution but there are things out there.  Many of them aren't 
financially onerous either.


Butch and Mike, feel free to step in with ideas here.  Perhaps it's time to 
go over the ways that people can look for help on this issue???


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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 5:50 PM
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Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


Oh brother.

Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action?

I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA 
isn't even on the list let alone near the top.


Marlon


Because only telcos were subject to CALEA - and all class 4/5 switches 
from the big vendors are tappable.
The same can not be said of routers and other broadband gear and all VoIP 
gear.


Also, BB CALEA has only been done at the Olympics by a special team.


But MA activity has been increasing in the last few months - for many 
reasons.  This would just be one more reason to sell - call it: not 
wanting to put up with the BS or the liability.


Get those plans filed you have less than a week.

- Peter

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[WISPA] are you for sale?

2007-05-07 Thread Matt Liotta
In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several 
companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the 
least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, 
contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options from taking 
a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout.


I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is coming 
fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a business that 
is not compliant after the deadline passes.


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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

2007-05-07 Thread JohnnyO
Well Matt - not one of those people which would be me - will not ignore 
the fact of what you're stating is a valid reason for selling out due to 
Calea. I simply will voice my opinion on the matter.


I am sure that more will agree vs. disagree with me that selling out your 
company due to a Calea hurdle is not a good reason to sell. And I really 
don't like seeing someone trying to come in and push a challenge that we're 
up against as a reason to sell.


If you feel what I am saying doesn't hold water... then ignore me :)

JohnnyO

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JohnnyO wrote:
Gloom and Doom - Interesting Tactic there Liotta.. Im sorry - but 
Calea is not a reason for anyone to sell their business. The Fat lady has 
not nor will not sing on this issue.


Not sure how you can say what is and is not a valid reason for someone 
else to sell their business. Some people feel it is important to comply 
with CALEA, while others don't. I'm not interested in that debate.


Simply put, I am aware that some people feel CALEA may put them out of 
business and would like to exit before then. If you are one of those 
people contact me. If you are not one of those people then simply ignore 
me.


-Matt

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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

2007-05-07 Thread Matt Liotta

JohnnyO wrote:
Well Matt - not one of those people which would be me - will not 
ignore the fact of what you're stating is a valid reason for selling 
out due to Calea. I simply will voice my opinion on the matter.


I never stated anything of the sort. What people decide to do with their 
business is their concern and not mine. If you are going to voice your 
opinion on a fact you should probably get the fact correct to start 
with. If someone wants to sell their business because of a bad hair day 
I don't mind talking to the person. I would mind if suddenly someone 
starting trying to argue that I am suggesting a bad hair day is a valid 
reason.
I am sure that more will agree vs. disagree with me that selling out 
your company due to a Calea hurdle is not a good reason to sell. And I 
really don't like seeing someone trying to come in and push a 
challenge that we're up against as a reason to sell.


I am not pushing anything. CALEA is a regulation put on businesses by 
the Government; not me. It's not my fault CALEA exists. Maybe you should 
spend your time helping all these companies worried about CALEA 
compliance as opposed to worrying about me. Clearly they can use your 
help since you don't seem to think CALEA is much a of hurdle.


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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

2007-05-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

Oh brother.

Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action?

I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA isn't 
even on the list let alone near the top.


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- Original Message - 
From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale?


In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several 
companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the 
least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, 
contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options from taking a 
controlling interest to an outright cash buyout.


I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is coming 
fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a business that is 
not compliant after the deadline passes.


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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

2007-05-07 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Marlon,

To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at 
this point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out gracefully 
if they choose to do so.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action?

I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA 
isn't even on the list let alone near the top.


Marlon
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- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale?


In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several 
companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not 
the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an 
exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options 
from taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout.


I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is 
coming fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a 
business that is not compliant after the deadline passes.


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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

2007-05-07 Thread JohnnyO
Dawn - the way I see it is that this is a way for a company with deep 
pockets to come in and buy up some companies at below market value. To use 
CALEA as a marketing tool for such is in my book completely out of line. 
Well I guess it isn't depending on who you are...


NOONE is over their heads with CALEA at the moment. Jeeesh - let's let this 
play out before anyone goes on a doom and gloom campaign.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:56 PM
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Marlon,

To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at this 
point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out gracefully if they 
choose to do so.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action?

I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA 
isn't even on the list let alone near the top.


Marlon
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- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale?


In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several 
companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the 
least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, 
contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options from taking 
a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout.


I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is coming 
fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a business that 
is not compliant after the deadline passes.


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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

2007-05-07 Thread Peter R.

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


Oh brother.

Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action?

I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA 
isn't even on the list let alone near the top.


Marlon


Because only telcos were subject to CALEA - and all class 4/5 switches from the big vendors are tappable.  


The same can not be said of routers and other broadband gear and all VoIP gear.

Also, BB CALEA has only been done at the Olympics by a special team.


But MA activity has been increasing in the last few months - for many reasons. 
 This would just be one more reason to sell - call it: not wanting to put up with 
the BS or the liability.

Get those plans filed you have less than a week.

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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

2007-05-07 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Johnny,

I NEVER said anyone was in over their heads in regards to CALEA. I was 
talking in general. So don't go putting words into my mouth. What makes 
you think these companies won't be offered fair market value? Another 
assumption?


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


JohnnyO wrote:
Dawn - the way I see it is that this is a way for a company with deep 
pockets to come in and buy up some companies at below market value. To 
use CALEA as a marketing tool for such is in my book completely out of 
line. Well I guess it isn't depending on who you are...


NOONE is over their heads with CALEA at the moment. Jeeesh - let's let 
this play out before anyone goes on a doom and gloom campaign.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?



Marlon,

To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at 
this point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out 
gracefully if they choose to do so.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action?

I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA 
isn't even on the list let alone near the top.


Marlon
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since 1999!

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- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale?


In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several 
companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not 
the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an 
exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options 
from taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout.


I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is 
coming fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a 
business that is not compliant after the deadline passes.


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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

2007-05-07 Thread JohnnyO

Dawn - I never said YOU SAID that .. Wanna talk about assumptions ?

JohnnyO
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Johnny,

I NEVER said anyone was in over their heads in regards to CALEA. I was 
talking in general. So don't go putting words into my mouth. What makes 
you think these companies won't be offered fair market value? Another 
assumption?


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


JohnnyO wrote:
Dawn - the way I see it is that this is a way for a company with deep 
pockets to come in and buy up some companies at below market value. To 
use CALEA as a marketing tool for such is in my book completely out of 
line. Well I guess it isn't depending on who you are...


NOONE is over their heads with CALEA at the moment. Jeeesh - let's let 
this play out before anyone goes on a doom and gloom campaign.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?



Marlon,

To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at 
this point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out 
gracefully if they choose to do so.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action?

I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA 
isn't even on the list let alone near the top.


Marlon
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since 1999!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale?


In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several 
companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not 
the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an 
exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options 
from taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout.


I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is 
coming fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a 
business that is not compliant after the deadline passes.


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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

2007-05-07 Thread JohnnyO
Oh - why did I assume anything when you specifically said the 
following..


Marlon,


**To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads 
at this point.** This is just an opportunity for them to get out 
gracefully if they choose to do so.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Dawn - this was started around the CALEA compliance issue... What would be a 
good opportunity for them to get out when the discussion is about Matt 
offering companies a way to sell out due to CALEA compliance


JohnnyO

- Original Message - 
From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?



Johnny,

I NEVER said anyone was in over their heads in regards to CALEA. I was 
talking in general. So don't go putting words into my mouth. What makes 
you think these companies won't be offered fair market value? Another 
assumption?


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


JohnnyO wrote:
Dawn - the way I see it is that this is a way for a company with deep 
pockets to come in and buy up some companies at below market value. To 
use CALEA as a marketing tool for such is in my book completely out of 
line. Well I guess it isn't depending on who you are...


NOONE is over their heads with CALEA at the moment. Jeeesh - let's let 
this play out before anyone goes on a doom and gloom campaign.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?



Marlon,

To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at 
this point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out gracefully 
if they choose to do so.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action?

I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA 
isn't even on the list let alone near the top.


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- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale?


In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several 
companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the 
least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, 
contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options from 
taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout.


I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is coming 
fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a business that 
is not compliant after the deadline passes.


-Matt
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