Re: [WISPA] coax cables
Dude That is not what I was commenting on. You made the following blanket statement regarding radio links and waveguide: >If you have any distance at all to go, and you want it to work, you have > no > choice. That is the statement YOU made with your 5 million years of experience. THAT statement could not be father from the truth. There are other choices and they are more cost effective. THAT was the statement that would seriously confuse the less educated population regarding the wireless/RF part of the WISP installation. And when I talk about "less educated" I don't mean someone is stupid. I mean they do not have or have a very limited knowledge base regarding RF and read this list for information. For anyone that doesn't know better they could think the only way they can make a link work is to use eliptical waveguide. And that is incorrect. There are tens of thousands of links running on Heliax/LMR cable and I am NOT talking IF freq here. I'm talking RF out to the antenna. And BTW.My theory of "WORK" is it does what it is advertised to do with 20 dB of fade regardless of freq band. Puff and Grunt all you want..You're wrong. :-P -B- On 8/20/08 10:48 AM, "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For a passive device, (like a transmission line) the noise figure is equal > to its attenuation. > Sorry for confusing all you less educated people. I guess this isn't the > forum for answers that actually hold up to scutiny. > > [puffs out chest and grunts] > > (I guess my 5000 "carrier grade links" and my 500 miles of licensed > microwave and my 30 years of doing this doesn't count as experience). > Sheesh... > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:19 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables > > >> I guess I need to go back to all my customers and remove their equipment >> >> IMHO the statement you made cannot be from experience. >> >> I have more than 500 carrier grade links in the air carrying IP and TDM >> traffic with cable runs up to 150' of 5/8 heliax without a hickup. >> >> It just depends on how its engineered. >> >> Making the statement below is incorrect and only confuses the less >> educated population on this list >> >> Bob >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:00:51 >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables >> >> >> If you have any distance at all to go, and you want it to work, you have >> no >> choice. >> Transmission line loss adds DIRECTLY to receiver noise figure. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables >> >> >>> Eliptical waeguide is also $13 a foot, connectors are over $200 each, you >>> need a bunch of special hardware to hang it and a dehydrator or nitrogen >>> system to keep it dry. >>> >>> I just don't picture the WRAP board group buying waveguide >>> >>> Bob >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:49:24 >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables >>> >>> >>> Elliptical waveguide will lose 3 dB in 250 feet. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Mike Brownson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:33 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables >>> >>> >>>> To give you the facts. You can use just about any coax you want. But >>>> you >>>> will have loss. The smaller the cable the higher the loss. >>>> >>>> Examples: >>>> RG8 lose 3 db in 17 ft >>>> LMR400 lose 3db in 26 ft >>>> LMR600 lose 3 db in 40 ft >>>> 1/2 heliax lose 3 db in 49 ft >>>> LMR900 lose 3 db in 60 ft >>>> 5/8 heliax lose 3 db in 64 ft >>>> >>>> >>>> Remember that for every 6dB in loss you lose half your transmit and >&
Re: [WISPA] coax cables
It's a backhaul so that doesn't matter, backhaul is running 54/54 so it can't get any better anyway, -60's. I'm using dishes. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables 130 feet on 5.8 through LMR 900 = serving about 20% of the area you could serve if the coax was not in place. I guess it depends on what folks call "working". - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables > If you have any distance at all to go, and you want it to work, you have > no > choice. > Transmission line loss adds DIRECTLY to receiver noise figure. > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables > > >> Eliptical waeguide is also $13 a foot, connectors are over $200 each, you >> need a bunch of special hardware to hang it and a dehydrator or nitrogen >> system to keep it dry. >> >> I just don't picture the WRAP board group buying waveguide >> >> Bob >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:49:24 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables >> >> >> Elliptical waveguide will lose 3 dB in 250 feet. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mike Brownson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables >> >> >>> To give you the facts. You can use just about any coax you want. But >>> you >>> will have loss. The smaller the cable the higher the loss. >>> >>> Examples: >>> RG8 lose 3 db in 17 ft >>> LMR400 lose 3db in 26 ft >>> LMR600 lose 3 db in 40 ft >>> 1/2 heliax lose 3 db in 49 ft >>> LMR900 lose 3 db in 60 ft >>> 5/8 heliax lose 3 db in 64 ft >>> >>> >>> Remember that for every 6dB in loss you lose half your transmit and >>> receive >>> range. So with 34 ft of RG 8 instead of 5 miles you get 2.5. So use >>> whatever cable you can get away with and still have the performance you >>> need. If you need every miliwatt to be useful then use coax only as a >>> short >>> jumper. >>> >>> Mike B >>> >>> >>> On 8/19/08 9:45 PM, "Matt Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> LMR 400? Are you crazy? Heliax 1/2 is the only way to go! >>>> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>>> It can but the loss is high and the braid is much less. Stick with >>>>> LMRs >>>>> 400 *,5 '22@ )+_3 "2,/(:4 32*" 4:+3( >>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> >>>>> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:33:57 >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: [WISPA] coax cables >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm running coax down my tower and came across and RG8/U. Can this be >>>>> used on 5GHz? >>>>> -RickG >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> --- >>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>> - >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>> >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>> >>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> --- >>>>> W
Re: [WISPA] coax cables
Chuck, Vegetation might have a huge impact on the coverage area. I've seen pictures of your area, it looks like heaven to me. My experience is that the first two trees will eat up a 5.8 signal, so expanding the coverage area by 80% just adds another tree or two. It might be very sensible for Kurt (?) to use the coax rather than put a little more signal into a bunch of foliage. On August 20, at 10:14 AM August 20, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: > 130 feet on 5.8 through LMR 900 = serving about 20% of the area you > could > serve if the coax was not in place. > I guess it depends on what folks call "working". WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] coax cables
130 feet on 5.8 through LMR 900 = serving about 20% of the area you could serve if the coax was not in place. I guess it depends on what folks call "working". - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables > If you have any distance at all to go, and you want it to work, you have > no > choice. > Transmission line loss adds DIRECTLY to receiver noise figure. > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables > > >> Eliptical waeguide is also $13 a foot, connectors are over $200 each, you >> need a bunch of special hardware to hang it and a dehydrator or nitrogen >> system to keep it dry. >> >> I just don't picture the WRAP board group buying waveguide >> >> Bob >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:49:24 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables >> >> >> Elliptical waveguide will lose 3 dB in 250 feet. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mike Brownson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables >> >> >>> To give you the facts. You can use just about any coax you want. But >>> you >>> will have loss. The smaller the cable the higher the loss. >>> >>> Examples: >>> RG8 lose 3 db in 17 ft >>> LMR400 lose 3db in 26 ft >>> LMR600 lose 3 db in 40 ft >>> 1/2 heliax lose 3 db in 49 ft >>> LMR900 lose 3 db in 60 ft >>> 5/8 heliax lose 3 db in 64 ft >>> >>> >>> Remember that for every 6dB in loss you lose half your transmit and >>> receive >>> range. So with 34 ft of RG 8 instead of 5 miles you get 2.5. So use >>> whatever cable you can get away with and still have the performance you >>> need. If you need every miliwatt to be useful then use coax only as a >>> short >>> jumper. >>> >>> Mike B >>> >>> >>> On 8/19/08 9:45 PM, "Matt Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> LMR 400? Are you crazy? Heliax 1/2 is the only way to go! >>>> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>>> It can but the loss is high and the braid is much less. Stick with >>>>> LMRs >>>>> 400 *,5 '22@ )+_3 "2,/(:4 32*" 4:+3( >>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> >>>>> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:33:57 >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: [WISPA] coax cables >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm running coax down my tower and came across and RG8/U. Can this be >>>>> used on 5GHz? >>>>> -RickG >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> --- >>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>> - >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>> >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>> >>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> --- >>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>> - >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>> >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>> http://lists.wispa.o
Re: [WISPA] coax cables
If you have any distance at all to go, and you want it to work, you have no choice. Transmission line loss adds DIRECTLY to receiver noise figure. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables > Eliptical waeguide is also $13 a foot, connectors are over $200 each, you > need a bunch of special hardware to hang it and a dehydrator or nitrogen > system to keep it dry. > > I just don't picture the WRAP board group buying waveguide > > Bob > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:49:24 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables > > > Elliptical waveguide will lose 3 dB in 250 feet. > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Brownson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:33 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables > > >> To give you the facts. You can use just about any coax you want. But >> you >> will have loss. The smaller the cable the higher the loss. >> >> Examples: >> RG8 lose 3 db in 17 ft >> LMR400 lose 3db in 26 ft >> LMR600 lose 3 db in 40 ft >> 1/2 heliax lose 3 db in 49 ft >> LMR900 lose 3 db in 60 ft >> 5/8 heliax lose 3 db in 64 ft >> >> >> Remember that for every 6dB in loss you lose half your transmit and >> receive >> range. So with 34 ft of RG 8 instead of 5 miles you get 2.5. So use >> whatever cable you can get away with and still have the performance you >> need. If you need every miliwatt to be useful then use coax only as a >> short >> jumper. >> >> Mike B >> >> >> On 8/19/08 9:45 PM, "Matt Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> LMR 400? Are you crazy? Heliax 1/2 is the only way to go! >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>> It can but the loss is high and the braid is much less. Stick with LMRs >>>> 400 *,5 '22@ )+_3 "2,/(:4 32*" 4:+3( >>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:33:57 >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: [WISPA] coax cables >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm running coax down my tower and came across and RG8/U. Can this be >>>> used on 5GHz? >>>> -RickG >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> --- >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> - >>>> --- >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> --- >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> - >>>> --- >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> -- >> Mike Brownson >> Hutton Communications >> 5015 Paris St >> Denver, CO 80239 >> 303-373-3170 >> >> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential
Re: [WISPA] coax cables
Ah, but I will make someone a killer deal on hangers, connectors, a dehydrator system, etc for eliptical! Pennies on the dollar! But I agree, I don't see it being used much by a WISP. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables > Eliptical waeguide is also $13 a foot, connectors are over $200 each, you > need a bunch of special hardware to hang it and a dehydrator or nitrogen > system to keep it dry. > > I just don't picture the WRAP board group buying waveguide > > Bob > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:49:24 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables > > > Elliptical waveguide will lose 3 dB in 250 feet. > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Brownson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:33 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables > > >> To give you the facts. You can use just about any coax you want. But >> you >> will have loss. The smaller the cable the higher the loss. >> >> Examples: >> RG8 lose 3 db in 17 ft >> LMR400 lose 3db in 26 ft >> LMR600 lose 3 db in 40 ft >> 1/2 heliax lose 3 db in 49 ft >> LMR900 lose 3 db in 60 ft >> 5/8 heliax lose 3 db in 64 ft >> >> >> Remember that for every 6dB in loss you lose half your transmit and >> receive >> range. So with 34 ft of RG 8 instead of 5 miles you get 2.5. So use >> whatever cable you can get away with and still have the performance you >> need. If you need every miliwatt to be useful then use coax only as a >> short >> jumper. >> >> Mike B >> >> >> On 8/19/08 9:45 PM, "Matt Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> LMR 400? Are you crazy? Heliax 1/2 is the only way to go! >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>> It can but the loss is high and the braid is much less. Stick with LMRs >>>> 400 *,5 '22@ )+_3 "2,/(:4 32*" 4:+3( >>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:33:57 >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: [WISPA] coax cables >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm running coax down my tower and came across and RG8/U. Can this be >>>> used on 5GHz? >>>> -RickG >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> --- >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> - >>>> --- >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> --- >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> - >>>> --- >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> -- >> Mike Brownson >>
Re: [WISPA] coax cables
I'm using LMR-900 on a 130 foot run running 5.8Ghz just fine Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables I would never use coax for 5.8 period. Not unless you are only going a few feet. LMR900 can be used for up to 50 feet. It is better than 1/2 heliax. But really, you gotta use waveguide if you are going any distance at all. - Original Message - From: "Matt Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables > LMR 400? Are you crazy? Heliax 1/2 is the only way to go! > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> It can but the loss is high and the braid is much less. Stick with LMRs >> 400 *,5 '22@ )+_3 "2,/(:4 32*" 4:+3( >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:33:57 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] coax cables >> >> >> I'm running coax down my tower and came across and RG8/U. Can this be >> used on 5GHz? >> -RickG >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] coax cables
No not crazy and very educated on the matter. LMR over regular RG8 coax And LMR600 over 1/2" heliax. Use your words a little more careful Bob --Original Message-- From: Matt Jenkins To: Lakeland To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables Sent: Aug 19, 2008 11:45 PM LMR 400? Are you crazy? Heliax 1/2 is the only way to go! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It can but the loss is high and the braid is much less. Stick with LMRs > 400 *,5 '22@ )+_3 "2,/(:4 32*" 4:+3( > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:33:57 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] coax cables > > > I'm running coax down my tower and came across and RG8/U. Can this be > used on 5GHz? > -RickG > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] coax cables
Eliptical waeguide is also $13 a foot, connectors are over $200 each, you need a bunch of special hardware to hang it and a dehydrator or nitrogen system to keep it dry. I just don't picture the WRAP board group buying waveguide Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:49:24 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables Elliptical waveguide will lose 3 dB in 250 feet. - Original Message - From: "Mike Brownson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables > To give you the facts. You can use just about any coax you want. But you > will have loss. The smaller the cable the higher the loss. > > Examples: > RG8 lose 3 db in 17 ft > LMR400 lose 3db in 26 ft > LMR600 lose 3 db in 40 ft > 1/2 heliax lose 3 db in 49 ft > LMR900 lose 3 db in 60 ft > 5/8 heliax lose 3 db in 64 ft > > > Remember that for every 6dB in loss you lose half your transmit and > receive > range. So with 34 ft of RG 8 instead of 5 miles you get 2.5. So use > whatever cable you can get away with and still have the performance you > need. If you need every miliwatt to be useful then use coax only as a > short > jumper. > > Mike B > > > On 8/19/08 9:45 PM, "Matt Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> LMR 400? Are you crazy? Heliax 1/2 is the only way to go! >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> It can but the loss is high and the braid is much less. Stick with LMRs >>> 400 *,5 '22@ )+_3 "2,/(:4 32*" 4:+3( >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:33:57 >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] coax cables >>> >>> >>> I'm running coax down my tower and came across and RG8/U. Can this be >>> used on 5GHz? >>> -RickG >>> >>> >>> - >>> --- >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> - >>> --- >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> --- >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> - >>> --- >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> -- >> -- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> -- >> -- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > -- > Mike Brownson > Hutton Communications > 5015 Paris St > Denver, CO 80239 > 303-373-3170 > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. > This message contains confidential information and is intended only for > the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] coax cables
Elliptical waveguide will lose 3 dB in 250 feet. - Original Message - From: "Mike Brownson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables > To give you the facts. You can use just about any coax you want. But you > will have loss. The smaller the cable the higher the loss. > > Examples: > RG8 lose 3 db in 17 ft > LMR400 lose 3db in 26 ft > LMR600 lose 3 db in 40 ft > 1/2 heliax lose 3 db in 49 ft > LMR900 lose 3 db in 60 ft > 5/8 heliax lose 3 db in 64 ft > > > Remember that for every 6dB in loss you lose half your transmit and > receive > range. So with 34 ft of RG 8 instead of 5 miles you get 2.5. So use > whatever cable you can get away with and still have the performance you > need. If you need every miliwatt to be useful then use coax only as a > short > jumper. > > Mike B > > > On 8/19/08 9:45 PM, "Matt Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> LMR 400? Are you crazy? Heliax 1/2 is the only way to go! >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> It can but the loss is high and the braid is much less. Stick with LMRs >>> 400 *,5 '22@ )+_3 "2,/(:4 32*" 4:+3( >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:33:57 >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] coax cables >>> >>> >>> I'm running coax down my tower and came across and RG8/U. Can this be >>> used on 5GHz? >>> -RickG >>> >>> >>> - >>> --- >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> - >>> --- >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> --- >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> - >>> --- >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> -- >> -- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> -- >> -- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > -- > Mike Brownson > Hutton Communications > 5015 Paris St > Denver, CO 80239 > 303-373-3170 > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. > This message contains confidential information and is intended only for > the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] coax cables
To give you the facts. You can use just about any coax you want. But you will have loss. The smaller the cable the higher the loss. Examples: RG8 lose 3 db in 17 ft LMR400 lose 3db in 26 ft LMR600 lose 3 db in 40 ft 1/2 heliax lose 3 db in 49 ft LMR900 lose 3 db in 60 ft 5/8 heliax lose 3 db in 64 ft Remember that for every 6dB in loss you lose half your transmit and receive range. So with 34 ft of RG 8 instead of 5 miles you get 2.5. So use whatever cable you can get away with and still have the performance you need. If you need every miliwatt to be useful then use coax only as a short jumper. Mike B On 8/19/08 9:45 PM, "Matt Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > LMR 400? Are you crazy? Heliax 1/2 is the only way to go! > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> It can but the loss is high and the braid is much less. Stick with LMRs >> 400 *,5 '22@ )+_3 "2,/(:4 32*" 4:+3( >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:33:57 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] coax cables >> >> >> I'm running coax down my tower and came across and RG8/U. Can this be >> used on 5GHz? >> -RickG >> >> >> - >> --- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> - >> --- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> - >> --- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> - >> --- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Mike Brownson Hutton Communications 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 303-373-3170 This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] coax cables
I would never use coax for 5.8 period. Not unless you are only going a few feet. LMR900 can be used for up to 50 feet. It is better than 1/2 heliax. But really, you gotta use waveguide if you are going any distance at all. - Original Message - From: "Matt Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables > LMR 400? Are you crazy? Heliax 1/2 is the only way to go! > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> It can but the loss is high and the braid is much less. Stick with LMRs >> 400 *,5 '22@ )+_3 "2,/(:4 32*" 4:+3( >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:33:57 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] coax cables >> >> >> I'm running coax down my tower and came across and RG8/U. Can this be >> used on 5GHz? >> -RickG >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] coax cables
LMR 400? Are you crazy? Heliax 1/2 is the only way to go! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It can but the loss is high and the braid is much less. Stick with LMRs > 400 *,5 '22@ )+_3 "2,/(:4 32*" 4:+3( > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:33:57 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] coax cables > > > I'm running coax down my tower and came across and RG8/U. Can this be > used on 5GHz? > -RickG > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U
Kurt, I just saw the pics. BEAUTIFUL! Exactly what I am talking about. As always, great tips from all. Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hold on, I am heading out the door right now the the camera I'm gonna get > some pics of another tower I setup that is all COAX and I think you'll be > drooling when you see it. > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Blair Davis > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:38 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U > > I have and still do, in some cases, long, (100ft+), cable runs. LMR-400 > is the minimum cable size for that on 2.4GHz. You will need an amp. > > At 5GHz, I would expect LMR-600 or better. However, at 5GHz, I think I > would go with tower top radios. I doubt that you will get good results > at 5GHz with that kind of cable run. > > RG8 cable is useless for anything we do as wisps. > > RickG wrote: >> I hate radios at the top of the tower so I'd like to run coax cables >> to an enclosure at the bottom and add amps to make up for the loss. >> I'm looking for a 9 mile link. The drop is 150 feet. At any rate, I >> found an old RG8/U cable. Will that work on 5GHz? I also have LMR400? >> If not, what would you recommend? >> -RickG >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U
Hold on, I am heading out the door right now the the camera I'm gonna get some pics of another tower I setup that is all COAX and I think you'll be drooling when you see it. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U I have and still do, in some cases, long, (100ft+), cable runs. LMR-400 is the minimum cable size for that on 2.4GHz. You will need an amp. At 5GHz, I would expect LMR-600 or better. However, at 5GHz, I think I would go with tower top radios. I doubt that you will get good results at 5GHz with that kind of cable run. RG8 cable is useless for anything we do as wisps. RickG wrote: > I hate radios at the top of the tower so I'd like to run coax cables > to an enclosure at the bottom and add amps to make up for the loss. > I'm looking for a 9 mile link. The drop is 150 feet. At any rate, I > found an old RG8/U cable. Will that work on 5GHz? I also have LMR400? > If not, what would you recommend? > -RickG > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U
I have and still do, in some cases, long, (100ft+), cable runs. LMR-400 is the minimum cable size for that on 2.4GHz. You will need an amp. At 5GHz, I would expect LMR-600 or better. However, at 5GHz, I think I would go with tower top radios. I doubt that you will get good results at 5GHz with that kind of cable run. RG8 cable is useless for anything we do as wisps. RickG wrote: > I hate radios at the top of the tower so I'd like to run coax cables > to an enclosure at the bottom and add amps to make up for the loss. > I'm looking for a 9 mile link. The drop is 150 feet. At any rate, I > found an old RG8/U cable. Will that work on 5GHz? I also have LMR400? > If not, what would you recommend? > -RickG > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/Uuse TUE, AUG 12, 2008ยป
Use LDF4.5 Heliax for this run. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:55:16 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U I hate radios at the top of the tower so I'd like to run coax cables to an enclosure at the bottom and add amps to make up for the loss. I'm looking for a 9 mile link. The drop is 150 feet. At any rate, I found an old RG8/U cable. Will that work on 5GHz? I also have LMR400? If not, what would you recommend? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U
Yes. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:06:08 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U I thought so. Thats why I asked. So, LMR400 or 600? -RickG On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Blake Bowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > RG8 is totally wrong. > > > Don't take your organs to heaven, > heaven knows we need them down here! > Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:55 AM > Subject: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U > > >>I hate radios at the top of the tower so I'd like to run coax cables >> to an enclosure at the bottom and add amps to make up for the loss. >> I'm looking for a 9 mile link. The drop is 150 feet. At any rate, I >> found an old RG8/U cable. Will that work on 5GHz? I also have LMR400? >> If not, what would you recommend? >> -RickG >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U
LMR 400 will work. If you really want to lower your loss, use eliptical waveguide, but be prepared for a very high cost. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U >I thought so. Thats why I asked. So, LMR400 or 600? > -RickG > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Blake Bowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> RG8 is totally wrong. >> >> >> Don't take your organs to heaven, >> heaven knows we need them down here! >> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:55 AM >> Subject: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U >> >> >>>I hate radios at the top of the tower so I'd like to run coax cables >>> to an enclosure at the bottom and add amps to make up for the loss. >>> I'm looking for a 9 mile link. The drop is 150 feet. At any rate, I >>> found an old RG8/U cable. Will that work on 5GHz? I also have LMR400? >>> If not, what would you recommend? >>> -RickG >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U
I thought so. Thats why I asked. So, LMR400 or 600? -RickG On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Blake Bowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > RG8 is totally wrong. > > > Don't take your organs to heaven, > heaven knows we need them down here! > Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:55 AM > Subject: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U > > >>I hate radios at the top of the tower so I'd like to run coax cables >> to an enclosure at the bottom and add amps to make up for the loss. >> I'm looking for a 9 mile link. The drop is 150 feet. At any rate, I >> found an old RG8/U cable. Will that work on 5GHz? I also have LMR400? >> If not, what would you recommend? >> -RickG >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U
RG8 is totally wrong. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U >I hate radios at the top of the tower so I'd like to run coax cables > to an enclosure at the bottom and add amps to make up for the loss. > I'm looking for a 9 mile link. The drop is 150 feet. At any rate, I > found an old RG8/U cable. Will that work on 5GHz? I also have LMR400? > If not, what would you recommend? > -RickG > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] coax cables
It can but the loss is high and the braid is much less. Stick with LMRs 400 *,5 '22@ )+_3 "2,/(:4 32*" 4:+3( Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:33:57 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] coax cables I'm running coax down my tower and came across and RG8/U. Can this be used on 5GHz? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U
I hate radios at the top of the tower so I'd like to run coax cables to an enclosure at the bottom and add amps to make up for the loss. I'm looking for a 9 mile link. The drop is 150 feet. At any rate, I found an old RG8/U cable. Will that work on 5GHz? I also have LMR400? If not, what would you recommend? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] coax cables
No Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:33:57 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] coax cables I'm running coax down my tower and came across and RG8/U. Can this be used on 5GHz? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] coax cables
I'm running coax down my tower and came across and RG8/U. Can this be used on 5GHz? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
