Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is true, however, it misses the point I was making. When engineering a network, one part of that task to to select equipment. There is some gear that is more suited to specific types of tasks than is other gear that can accomplish the same thing. My point was that the networking and RF parts of the engineering cannot be separated because both parts will affect what gear is used. Which brings up the question, Which vendor do you think does a good job of that? (i.e. intelligently integrating the RF and networking components into a single product?) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Rogelio wrote: Some of the wireless vendors that I deal with have told me some horror stories about VARs / integrators who are extremely bad. I am aware of some of these, but there are not many. It mostly depends on what you want them to do for you. (1) How do you find good wireless VARs, particularly ones with the right mix of networking and RF skills? This is tough. There are several out there that have both, but not sure what your right mix is. If you are looking for engineering services for a specific project, I can certainly help with that. If you are looking for a general answer, then that is much tougher...there are many decent resellers out there. (2) Can you recommend any good ones to me, particularly ones who are willing to travel? Dpending on where the travel leads, I am both willing and knowledgable in both networking and RF planning. I don't sell a particular product, either, so I would be able to assist in ways many resellers would not. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Rogelio wrote: One of the areas I'm now looking at is municipality WiFi implementations, as well as 4.9 public safety networks for, say, police and fire department. Now I'm primarily looking at the mesh players (e.g. BelAir, Firetide, SkyPilot, MeshDynamic, Cisco) and am looking for info on what works (and doesn't work) on each one. I've seen SkyPilot and I can tell you it's not all it is cracked up to be. In fact, I have not seen a truly successful mesh product that gave all the benefits the sales guys claim. I haven't looked in a while, so perhaps that is not as bad as it used to be. Having said that, I have deployed a few networks that can provide most of the capabilities that a mesh network provides without the mess that mesh networks tend to create. I will happily discuss this with you offlist, as this will get dangerously close to advertising, and I don't want to do that onlist. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Jim Patient wrote: www.linktechs.net To be open and fair...this is a company Jim is affiliated with. Why don't you at least answer the question, or provide SOMETHING besides the ad -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: As for RF and networking skills, I don't think that the networking part is that big of a deal. Anyone can handle that part of your network from While this is partly true, there is significant benefit in engineering a network correctly from BOTH the RF side and IP side. In fact, I don't see how they can be separated, given that part of the engineering will involve equipment selection, which will be directly impacted by the needs of the network. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: As for RF and networking skills, I don't think that the networking part is that big of a deal. Anyone can handle that part of your network from While this is partly true, there is significant benefit in engineering a network correctly from BOTH the RF side and IP side. In fact, I don't see how they can be separated, given that part of the engineering will involve equipment selection, which will be directly impacted by the needs of the network. I've been doing networking stuff for a while, and I still have to pause and think for a second when it comes to IGMP, RSTP, etc. There areas in IP that one has to focus on and become way better on. I wouldn't say that it's easy, per se -- just a little different to what most people were used to. The more things change, the more they stay the same. If you're familiar with the fundamentals, then it's all variations of the same themes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
This is true. But the networking expertise is much easier done remotely than the RF stuff is. I know you already know that though :-) marlon - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators? On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: As for RF and networking skills, I don't think that the networking part is that big of a deal. Anyone can handle that part of your network from While this is partly true, there is significant benefit in engineering a network correctly from BOTH the RF side and IP side. In fact, I don't see how they can be separated, given that part of the engineering will involve equipment selection, which will be directly impacted by the needs of the network. -- *Butch Evans *Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering *MikroTik RouterOS* *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is true. But the networking expertise is much easier done remotely than the RF stuff is. I know you already know that though :-) marlon True dat! I fire up PuTTY, do my thing, and often don't even where it's geographically located. (Don't suppose I can do this much longer, now that I'm getting into RF more!) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
Grin, yeah. That's one of the reasons it's been so hard for the big boys to do unlicensed. It really requires feet, good feet, on the ground. marlon - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators? On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is true. But the networking expertise is much easier done remotely than the RF stuff is. I know you already know that though :-) marlon True dat! I fire up PuTTY, do my thing, and often don't even where it's geographically located. (Don't suppose I can do this much longer, now that I'm getting into RF more!) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grin, yeah. That's one of the reasons it's been so hard for the big boys to do unlicensed. It really requires feet, good feet, on the ground. marlon So, which vendors do you feel get it when it comes to addressing WISPA needs, particularly in the unlicensed wimax / wifi space? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
Valemount StarOS. Rogelio wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grin, yeah. That's one of the reasons it's been so hard for the big boys to do unlicensed. It really requires feet, good feet, on the ground. marlon So, which vendors do you feel get it when it comes to addressing WISPA needs, particularly in the unlicensed wimax / wifi space? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, Rogelio wrote: I've been doing networking stuff for a while, and I still have to pause and think for a second when it comes to IGMP, RSTP, etc. Yup. There are many times I have to look at the documentation. I've been doing ISP networks since 1993. The more things change, the more they stay the same. If you're familiar with the fundamentals, then it's all variations of the same themes. This is true, however, it misses the point I was making. When engineering a network, one part of that task to to select equipment. There is some gear that is more suited to specific types of tasks than is other gear that can accomplish the same thing. My point was that the networking and RF parts of the engineering cannot be separated because both parts will affect what gear is used. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
Some of the wireless vendors that I deal with have told me some horror stories about VARs / integrators who are extremely bad. My questions are (1) How do you find good wireless VARs, particularly ones with the right mix of networking and RF skills? AND (2) Can you recommend any good ones to me, particularly ones who are willing to travel? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
If you need someone to help you should tell us what the application is and where you need help. There are plenty of good people here who can help you once the requirements are more well defined.. John Scrivner On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the wireless vendors that I deal with have told me some horror stories about VARs / integrators who are extremely bad. My questions are (1) How do you find good wireless VARs, particularly ones with the right mix of networking and RF skills? AND (2) Can you recommend any good ones to me, particularly ones who are willing to travel? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 5:09 AM, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you need someone to help you should tell us what the application is and where you need help. There are plenty of good people here who can help you once the requirements are more well defined.. John Scrivner True... One of the areas I'm now looking at is municipality WiFi implementations, as well as 4.9 public safety networks for, say, police and fire department. Now I'm primarily looking at the mesh players (e.g. BelAir, Firetide, SkyPilot, MeshDynamic, Cisco) and am looking for info on what works (and doesn't work) on each one. I'm particularly interested in the single radio vs multi radio benefits / disadvantages. I come from an IP background, so this new RF stuff is difficult to me, and the only way I can really make sense of it all is to sometimes translate it to hub/switch design, which sometimes gets you along initially, but usually that analogy breaks down eventually... I didn't make this a specific question, as I'm more interested in getting a general idea of the landscape and players in that landscape. I'm still getting used to the RF alphabet soup. Any pointers you guys could give me to help with that would be greatly appreciated! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
www.linktechs.net Rogelio wrote: On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 5:09 AM, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you need someone to help you should tell us what the application is and where you need help. There are plenty of good people here who can help you once the requirements are more well defined.. John Scrivner True... One of the areas I'm now looking at is municipality WiFi implementations, as well as 4.9 public safety networks for, say, police and fire department. Now I'm primarily looking at the mesh players (e.g. BelAir, Firetide, SkyPilot, MeshDynamic, Cisco) and am looking for info on what works (and doesn't work) on each one. I'm particularly interested in the single radio vs multi radio benefits / disadvantages. I come from an IP background, so this new RF stuff is difficult to me, and the only way I can really make sense of it all is to sometimes translate it to hub/switch design, which sometimes gets you along initially, but usually that analogy breaks down eventually... I didn't make this a specific question, as I'm more interested in getting a general idea of the landscape and players in that landscape. I'm still getting used to the RF alphabet soup. Any pointers you guys could give me to help with that would be greatly appreciated! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
That's a great question Rogelio. Tough but very good. I'd say that the best way to do it is to ask questions like you are. Find out who is happy with whoever they hired. I still think that one of the best people to hire is another wisp. One that's been at this game for a while and has a company that's on the grow and not loosing money hand over fist. I'm sure there might be one out there but I've yet to hear good stories from the professional consulting side of things. If someone's been happy with one please do tell. I used to do a lot of consulting. Nowadays I'm so busy building the company that I haven't had time to drum up consulting work. I'm happy to help though. And I've traveled as far as South Africa. grin As for RF and networking skills, I don't think that the networking part is that big of a deal. Anyone can handle that part of your network from anywhere in the world. You want a top notch guy that can help you decide where best to put towers, what technologies to use and what YOUR customer base is likely to actually pay for. Ask more questions here and we can do a much better job of pointing you in the right direction. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 4:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators? Some of the wireless vendors that I deal with have told me some horror stories about VARs / integrators who are extremely bad. My questions are (1) How do you find good wireless VARs, particularly ones with the right mix of networking and RF skills? AND (2) Can you recommend any good ones to me, particularly ones who are willing to travel? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
