Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

2011-05-09 Thread Stuart Pierce 
Wow it's Tony, a blast from the past !

-- Original Message --
From: "Tony Morella (demarc)" 
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Date:  Sun, 8 May 2011 13:01:13 -0400

>Blair
>
> 
>
>Have you taken a look at Ethernet over coax, very simple to  run and low
>cost. An example of a product:
>
>http://www.amazon.com/GefenTV-Ethernet-Over-Signal-Extender/dp/B0013LYMQ8/re
>f=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8
>ef=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1304873821&sr=8-1> &qid=1304873821&sr=8-1
>
> 
>
>Tony Morella
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>GardenState IT
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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

2011-05-08 Thread Chuck Profito 
quote both with open connection speeds and encryption, I bet he changes his
mind.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 4:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

 

because that is what the RFQ says.  I've asked, but gotten no usable answer.

On 5/7/2011 4:53 PM, Chuck Profito wrote: 

That close, wouldn't  encrypted M Rockets be cheaper than labor & wire, and
nearly just as fast? Bridged? Routed? Can any one point see the others? Why
no wireless, what's he afraid of?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 4:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

 

Depending on how it needs to be installed between buildings, there may not
be much cost difference between fiber and copper, especially if you need
multiple circuits.  Fiber is not really expensive and you can get a lot of
strands in a small cable.  Just be sure to run more strands than you "need."


On 5/6/2011 5:23 PM, Larry A Weidig wrote: 

My initial response is fiber, due to distances.  However, you might be able
to get away with something less costly depending on requirements.  What
speed? 10, 100, 1000, 10G.  There are lots of Ethernet extenders that can
give you speeds to 100 Mbps over coax, copper,. just Google it and you will
find plenty.  We have used these when fiber is not an option.  However, make
sure you take grounding between buildings into account as well with stuff
like coax/copper.  If you can afford it fiber is your best option.

 

* Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)

* Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/

* (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area

* (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

 

I have a special job to do.

I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide Ethernet
connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless to do this.

I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax, cat3 or cat5, or
even fiber if the price is right...

Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft.  Site 3 to site 4
is 2400 ft. 

Looking for options...

 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

2011-05-08 Thread Tony Morella (demarc) 
Blair

 

Have you taken a look at Ethernet over coax, very simple to  run and low
cost. An example of a product:

http://www.amazon.com/GefenTV-Ethernet-Over-Signal-Extender/dp/B0013LYMQ8/re
f=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8
<http://www.amazon.com/GefenTV-Ethernet-Over-Signal-Extender/dp/B0013LYMQ8/r
ef=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1304873821&sr=8-1> &qid=1304873821&sr=8-1

 

Tony Morella

GardenState IT

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 5:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

 

I have a special job to do.

I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide Ethernet
connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless to do this.

I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax, cat3 or cat5, or
even fiber if the price is right...

Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft.  Site 3 to site 4
is 2400 ft. 

Looking for options...




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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

2011-05-07 Thread Blair Davis 


  
  
Looked at that.  voice plant is 70+ years old!!!.  cloth wrapped
copper.  when it rains, it is all static on the lines...

That is why I must run my own cables.  I expect I will be putting a
VoIP phone system in in a year or so...  

On 5/7/2011 6:23 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

  
  
  
  If voice copper already runs
  between the sites, you can use EFM.  (Wikipedia EFM)
  9000ft upto 6mb over voice
  copper.
  And an alternate version (VDSL
  based) can do minimum 10mb, but not as far.
   
  But when ever cable needs to be
  run long distances, say over 650ft (two segments with swtich
  in between), it generally warrants fiber because fiber is also
  cheap, and then you have expansion.
   
  Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
   
   
  
- Original Message - 
From: Larry A Weidig 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011
  5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA]
  looking for ideas...



  My
  initial response is fiber, due to distances.  However, you
  might be able to get away with something less costly
  depending on requirements.  What speed? 10, 100, 1000,
  10G…  There are lots of Ethernet extenders that can give
  you speeds to 100 Mbps over coax, copper,… just Google it
  and you will find plenty.  We have used these when fiber
  is not an option.  However, make sure you take grounding
  between buildings into account as well with stuff like
  coax/copper.  If you can afford it fiber is your best
  option.
   
  
* Larry A.
Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
*
Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
* (920)
452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
* (888)
489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free
  
   
  

  From:
  wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair
  Davis
  Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:17 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

  
   
  I have a special job to do.

I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide
Ethernet connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless
to do this.

I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax,
cat3 or cat5, or even fiber if the price is right...

Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft. 
Site 3 to site 4 is 2400 ft. 

Looking for options...

 
 


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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

2011-05-07 Thread Blair Davis 


  
  
because that is what the RFQ says.  I've asked, but gotten no usable
answer.

On 5/7/2011 4:53 PM, Chuck Profito wrote:

  
  
  
  
That close, wouldn't  encrypted M Rockets be
cheaper than labor & wire, and nearly just as fast?
Bridged? Routed? Can any one point see the others? Why no
wireless, what's he afraid of?
 

  
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott
Reed
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 4:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
    Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...
  

 
Depending on how it needs to be installed
  between buildings, there may not be much cost difference
  between fiber and copper, especially if you need multiple
  circuits.  Fiber is not really expensive and you can get a lot
  of strands in a small cable.  Just be sure to run more strands
  than you "need." 
  
  On 5/6/2011 5:23 PM, Larry A Weidig wrote: 
My initial
response is fiber, due to distances.  However, you might be
able to get away with something less costly depending on
requirements.  What speed? 10, 100, 1000, 10G…  There are
lots of Ethernet extenders that can give you speeds to 100
Mbps over coax, copper,… just Google it and you will find
plenty.  We have used these when fiber is not an option. 
However, make sure you take grounding between buildings into
account as well with stuff like coax/copper.  If you can
afford it fiber is your best option.
 

  * Larry
  A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
  *
  Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
  * (920)
  452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
  * (888)
  489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free

 

  
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
            Subject: [WISPA] looking for ideas...
  

 
I have a special job to do.
  
  I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide
  Ethernet connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless to
  do this.
  
  I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax,
  cat3 or cat5, or even fiber if the price is right...
  
  Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft.  Site
  3 to site 4 is 2400 ft. 
  
  Looking for options...
 
 
 
 

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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

2011-05-07 Thread Tom DeReggi 
If voice copper already runs between the sites, you can use EFM.  (Wikipedia 
EFM)
9000ft upto 6mb over voice copper.
And an alternate version (VDSL based) can do minimum 10mb, but not as far.

But when ever cable needs to be run long distances, say over 650ft (two 
segments with swtich in between), it generally warrants fiber because fiber is 
also cheap, and then you have expansion.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


  - Original Message - 
  From: Larry A Weidig 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 5:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...


  My initial response is fiber, due to distances.  However, you might be able 
to get away with something less costly depending on requirements.  What speed? 
10, 100, 1000, 10G.  There are lots of Ethernet extenders that can give you 
speeds to 100 Mbps over coax, copper,. just Google it and you will find plenty. 
 We have used these when fiber is not an option.  However, make sure you take 
grounding between buildings into account as well with stuff like coax/copper.  
If you can afford it fiber is your best option.

   

  * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)

  * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/

  * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area

  * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Blair Davis
  Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:17 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

   

  I have a special job to do.

  I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide Ethernet 
connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless to do this.

  I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax, cat3 or cat5, or 
even fiber if the price is right...

  Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft.  Site 3 to site 4 is 
2400 ft. 

  Looking for options...



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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

2011-05-07 Thread Chuck Profito 
That close, wouldn't  encrypted M Rockets be cheaper than labor & wire, and
nearly just as fast? Bridged? Routed? Can any one point see the others? Why
no wireless, what's he afraid of?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 4:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

 

Depending on how it needs to be installed between buildings, there may not
be much cost difference between fiber and copper, especially if you need
multiple circuits.  Fiber is not really expensive and you can get a lot of
strands in a small cable.  Just be sure to run more strands than you "need."


On 5/6/2011 5:23 PM, Larry A Weidig wrote: 

My initial response is fiber, due to distances.  However, you might be able
to get away with something less costly depending on requirements.  What
speed? 10, 100, 1000, 10G.  There are lots of Ethernet extenders that can
give you speeds to 100 Mbps over coax, copper,. just Google it and you will
find plenty.  We have used these when fiber is not an option.  However, make
sure you take grounding between buildings into account as well with stuff
like coax/copper.  If you can afford it fiber is your best option.

 

* Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)

* Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/

* (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area

* (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

 

I have a special job to do.

I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide Ethernet
connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless to do this.

I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax, cat3 or cat5, or
even fiber if the price is right...

Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft.  Site 3 to site 4
is 2400 ft. 

Looking for options...

 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

2011-05-07 Thread lakeland 
With copper you need to consider the differences of ground potential between  
sites.  Fiber eliminates that issue


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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

2011-05-07 Thread Mike Hammett 

Fiber isn't that expensive compared to other wired technologies.

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On 5/6/2011 4:17 PM, Blair Davis wrote:

I have a special job to do.

I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide Ethernet 
connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless to do this.


I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax, cat3 or 
cat5, or even fiber if the price is right...


Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft.  Site 3 to 
site 4 is 2400 ft.


Looking for options...





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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

2011-05-07 Thread Scott Reed 
Depending on how it needs to be installed between buildings, there may 
not be much cost difference between fiber and copper, especially if you 
need multiple circuits.  Fiber is not really expensive and you can get a 
lot of strands in a small cable.  Just be sure to run more strands than 
you "need."


On 5/6/2011 5:23 PM, Larry A Weidig wrote:


My initial response is fiber, due to distances.  However, you might be 
able to get away with something less costly depending on 
requirements.  What speed? 10, 100, 1000, 10G...  There are lots of 
Ethernet extenders that can give you speeds to 100 Mbps over coax, 
copper,... just Google it and you will find plenty.  We have used 
these when fiber is not an option.  However, make sure you take 
grounding between buildings into account as well with stuff like 
coax/copper.  If you can afford it fiber is your best option.


* Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net <mailto:lwei...@excel.net>)

* Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/

* (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area

* (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Blair Davis

*Sent:* Friday, May 06, 2011 4:17 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* [WISPA] looking for ideas...

I have a special job to do.

I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide Ethernet 
connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless to do this.


I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax, cat3 or 
cat5, or even fiber if the price is right...


Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft.  Site 3 to 
site 4 is 2400 ft.


Looking for options...





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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

2011-05-06 Thread lakeland 
Agreed.  Fiber is dirt cheap on Ebay. NOS.  Media converters for less than  
$100 each


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From: Butch Evans 
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 22:24:44 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 17:17 -0400, Blair Davis wrote:

I have a special job to do.

I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide Ethernet
connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless to do this.

I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax, cat3 or
cat5, or even fiber if the price is right...

Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft.  Site 3 to
site 4 is 2400 ft. 


I would HIGHLY recommend fiber for this.  I am assuming these are
different buildings.  If they are, and they are on their own electric
meters, then grounding alone would make me want use fiber instead of
copper.  There are some solutions out there that will use the copper
lines, but I'd still go with fiber.Cost difference is likely to be
minimal and by the time you save $$ on the ethernet extenders (SDSL type
devices), you may come out at nearly the same cost with more bandwidth
to boot.

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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

2011-05-06 Thread Bryan Fields 
On 5/6/2011 17:17, Blair Davis wrote:
> I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide Ethernet
> connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless to do this.
>
> I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax, cat3 or cat5, or
> even fiber if the price is right...
>
> Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft.  Site 3 to site 4
> is 2400 ft.
Fiber is the only way to go.  Copper will be nothing but headaches.

You can get ADSS fiber and run it on poles, but you might be better off having
some one do it for you, if you can't splice fiber in house.

Switches and GigE SFP's are dirt cheap now, and for the distance, it's not
going to be cheaper, but the bandwidth is there when you need it.

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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

2011-05-06 Thread Mark Nash 
For lower speeds, I have used pairs of SDSL modems before.  They install 
as bridges.


On 5/6/2011 2:17 PM, Blair Davis wrote:

I have a special job to do.

I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide Ethernet 
connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless to do this.


I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax, cat3 or 
cat5, or even fiber if the price is right...


Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft.  Site 3 to 
site 4 is 2400 ft.


Looking for options...





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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

2011-05-06 Thread Butch Evans 
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 17:17 -0400, Blair Davis wrote:
> I have a special job to do.
> 
> I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide Ethernet
> connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless to do this.
> 
> I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax, cat3 or
> cat5, or even fiber if the price is right...
> 
> Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft.  Site 3 to
> site 4 is 2400 ft. 

I would HIGHLY recommend fiber for this.  I am assuming these are
different buildings.  If they are, and they are on their own electric
meters, then grounding alone would make me want use fiber instead of
copper.  There are some solutions out there that will use the copper
lines, but I'd still go with fiber.Cost difference is likely to be
minimal and by the time you save $$ on the ethernet extenders (SDSL type
devices), you may come out at nearly the same cost with more bandwidth
to boot.

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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

2011-05-06 Thread Larry A Weidig 
My initial response is fiber, due to distances.  However, you might be
able to get away with something less costly depending on requirements.
What speed? 10, 100, 1000, 10G...  There are lots of Ethernet extenders
that can give you speeds to 100 Mbps over coax, copper,... just Google
it and you will find plenty.  We have used these when fiber is not an
option.  However, make sure you take grounding between buildings into
account as well with stuff like coax/copper.  If you can afford it fiber
is your best option.

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
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Subject: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

 

I have a special job to do.

I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide Ethernet
connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless to do this.

I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax, cat3 or
cat5, or even fiber if the price is right...

Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft.  Site 3 to site
4 is 2400 ft. 

Looking for options...




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[WISPA] looking for ideas...

2011-05-06 Thread Blair Davis 


  
  
I have a special job to do.

I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide Ethernet
connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless to do this.

I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax, cat3 or
cat5, or even fiber if the price is right...

Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft.  Site 3 to
site 4 is 2400 ft. 

Looking for options...
  




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