Re: [WISPA] monitoring product (was Re: Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released)

[Josh Luthman]

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On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:

> The RouterOS v4 with the R52n has a spectrum analyzer mode (similar to
> Orthogon and others).  With one of those on your tower either with an
> omni or a directional antenna and rotor, or both, you could do some
> pretty interesting things.  If MT has the ability to read the analyzer
> output with their API, you could pretty easily graph the noise on every
> channel over time.  Hmmm.  Now that I've said that "out loud," I think
> I'm going to build one.
>
>
> -Kristian
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 10:07 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote:
> > This makes me think about a cool product someone needs to produce. Some
> sort of device that could be deployed at a wireless colocation site that
> would simply listen on a variety of bands and collect weather information.
> The device would make all this data available via some reasonable API;
> possibly SNMP. Then a monitoring system to collect this data and graph it
> historically. This would allow the operator to have a much better view of
> the environment for which their network is operating in.
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> > On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:00 AM, John Scrivner wrote:
> >
> > > I am not a huge UBNT fan but I might be persuaded to buy one of these
> for
> > > each tower to setup as a remote Spectrum Analyzer for each tower
> location.
> > > How much do these radios run and who sells them on here?
> > > Scriv
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Re: [WISPA] monitoring product (was Re: Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released)

[Kristian Hoffmann]

The RouterOS v4 with the R52n has a spectrum analyzer mode (similar to
Orthogon and others).  With one of those on your tower either with an
omni or a directional antenna and rotor, or both, you could do some
pretty interesting things.  If MT has the ability to read the analyzer
output with their API, you could pretty easily graph the noise on every
channel over time.  Hmmm.  Now that I've said that "out loud," I think
I'm going to build one.


-Kristian



On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 10:07 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote:
> This makes me think about a cool product someone needs to produce. Some sort 
> of device that could be deployed at a wireless colocation site that would 
> simply listen on a variety of bands and collect weather information. The 
> device would make all this data available via some reasonable API; possibly 
> SNMP. Then a monitoring system to collect this data and graph it 
> historically. This would allow the operator to have a much better view of the 
> environment for which their network is operating in.
> 
> -Matt
> 
> On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:00 AM, John Scrivner wrote:
> 
> > I am not a huge UBNT fan but I might be persuaded to buy one of these for
> > each tower to setup as a remote Spectrum Analyzer for each tower location.
> > How much do these radios run and who sells them on here?
> > Scriv
> 
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Re: [WISPA] monitoring product (was Re: Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released)

[Patrick Shoemaker]

I'm pretty sure that Matt was talking about *RF spectrum* weather 
information here.

I've thought about this a few times too- would be an extremely useful 
product. Even more useful if it had enough intelligence to learn the TDD 
patterns of the owner's equipment, and listen during the guard intervals 
so that it showed spectrum conditions with the owner's equipment 
removed. Being able to see real-time spectrum conditions on an operating 
link is one of the most useful features on the Orthogon PTP radios, IMO.

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jp wrote:
> I dont' graph temp/humidity at my towers. I do graph it for my detatched 
> garage and datacenter though. (The most important locations)
> 
> I have a little atom PC running centos, 1-wire temp/humidity sensor from 
> www.hobby-boards.com, owfs, mrtg, apache. It also has rsync and a 2tb 
> drive for offsite backup of my photos. It is connected with fiber to my 
> home for the offsite backup access.
> 
> http://www.f64.nu/garage/temp_2.html
> http://www.f64.nu/garage/temp_3.html
> 
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 12:50:45PM -0700, Ryan Spott wrote:
>> Must be nice to be so close to a NOAA weather station.. and to have
>> consistant weather from one mile-post to the next. I can tell you that out
>> here, 200' elevation <> 4500' elevation 4 miles away. :)
>>
>> And I do graph all of that. :)
>>
>> ryan
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker  wrote:
>>
>>> We do this now.  From NOAA weather stations.  All our backhaul links are
>>> polled every 60 seconds for just about everything they spit out (i.e. bits
>>> in/out, signals, errors, temperature, etc.) as well as NOAA weather info
>>> (temp, humidity, pressure, etc.) for the nearest station.  It's all
>>> available on a graph to us through extranet.  Works very well.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Matt Liotta  wrote:
>>>
 This makes me think about a cool product someone needs to produce. Some
 sort of device that could be deployed at a wireless colocation site that
 would simply listen on a variety of bands and collect weather
>>> information.
 The device would make all this data available via some reasonable API;
 possibly SNMP. Then a monitoring system to collect this data and graph it
 historically. This would allow the operator to have a much better view of
 the environment for which their network is operating in.

 -Matt

 On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:00 AM, John Scrivner wrote:

> I am not a huge UBNT fan but I might be persuaded to buy one of these
>>> for
> each tower to setup as a remote Spectrum Analyzer for each tower
 location.
> How much do these radios run and who sells them on here?
> Scriv




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Re: [WISPA] monitoring product (was Re: Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released)

[jp]

I dont' graph temp/humidity at my towers. I do graph it for my detatched 
garage and datacenter though. (The most important locations)

I have a little atom PC running centos, 1-wire temp/humidity sensor from 
www.hobby-boards.com, owfs, mrtg, apache. It also has rsync and a 2tb 
drive for offsite backup of my photos. It is connected with fiber to my 
home for the offsite backup access.

http://www.f64.nu/garage/temp_2.html
http://www.f64.nu/garage/temp_3.html

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 12:50:45PM -0700, Ryan Spott wrote:
> Must be nice to be so close to a NOAA weather station.. and to have
> consistant weather from one mile-post to the next. I can tell you that out
> here, 200' elevation <> 4500' elevation 4 miles away. :)
> 
> And I do graph all of that. :)
> 
> ryan
> 
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker  wrote:
> 
> > We do this now.  From NOAA weather stations.  All our backhaul links are
> > polled every 60 seconds for just about everything they spit out (i.e. bits
> > in/out, signals, errors, temperature, etc.) as well as NOAA weather info
> > (temp, humidity, pressure, etc.) for the nearest station.  It's all
> > available on a graph to us through extranet.  Works very well.
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Matt Liotta  wrote:
> >
> > > This makes me think about a cool product someone needs to produce. Some
> > > sort of device that could be deployed at a wireless colocation site that
> > > would simply listen on a variety of bands and collect weather
> > information.
> > > The device would make all this data available via some reasonable API;
> > > possibly SNMP. Then a monitoring system to collect this data and graph it
> > > historically. This would allow the operator to have a much better view of
> > > the environment for which their network is operating in.
> > >
> > > -Matt
> > >
> > > On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:00 AM, John Scrivner wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am not a huge UBNT fan but I might be persuaded to buy one of these
> > for
> > > > each tower to setup as a remote Spectrum Analyzer for each tower
> > > location.
> > > > How much do these radios run and who sells them on here?
> > > > Scriv
> > >
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Re: [WISPA] monitoring product (was Re: Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released)

[Ryan Spott]

Must be nice to be so close to a NOAA weather station.. and to have
consistant weather from one mile-post to the next. I can tell you that out
here, 200' elevation <> 4500' elevation 4 miles away. :)

And I do graph all of that. :)

ryan

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker  wrote:

> We do this now.  From NOAA weather stations.  All our backhaul links are
> polled every 60 seconds for just about everything they spit out (i.e. bits
> in/out, signals, errors, temperature, etc.) as well as NOAA weather info
> (temp, humidity, pressure, etc.) for the nearest station.  It's all
> available on a graph to us through extranet.  Works very well.
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Matt Liotta  wrote:
>
> > This makes me think about a cool product someone needs to produce. Some
> > sort of device that could be deployed at a wireless colocation site that
> > would simply listen on a variety of bands and collect weather
> information.
> > The device would make all this data available via some reasonable API;
> > possibly SNMP. Then a monitoring system to collect this data and graph it
> > historically. This would allow the operator to have a much better view of
> > the environment for which their network is operating in.
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> > On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:00 AM, John Scrivner wrote:
> >
> > > I am not a huge UBNT fan but I might be persuaded to buy one of these
> for
> > > each tower to setup as a remote Spectrum Analyzer for each tower
> > location.
> > > How much do these radios run and who sells them on here?
> > > Scriv
> >
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Re: [WISPA] monitoring product (was Re: Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released)

[Jayson Baker]

We do this now.  From NOAA weather stations.  All our backhaul links are
polled every 60 seconds for just about everything they spit out (i.e. bits
in/out, signals, errors, temperature, etc.) as well as NOAA weather info
(temp, humidity, pressure, etc.) for the nearest station.  It's all
available on a graph to us through extranet.  Works very well.

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Matt Liotta  wrote:

> This makes me think about a cool product someone needs to produce. Some
> sort of device that could be deployed at a wireless colocation site that
> would simply listen on a variety of bands and collect weather information.
> The device would make all this data available via some reasonable API;
> possibly SNMP. Then a monitoring system to collect this data and graph it
> historically. This would allow the operator to have a much better view of
> the environment for which their network is operating in.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:00 AM, John Scrivner wrote:
>
> > I am not a huge UBNT fan but I might be persuaded to buy one of these for
> > each tower to setup as a remote Spectrum Analyzer for each tower
> location.
> > How much do these radios run and who sells them on here?
> > Scriv
>
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Re: [WISPA] monitoring product (was Re: Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released)

[Ryan Spott]

http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?brand=wxmap&query=washington,+dc



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On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:

> You could use APRS weather stations nearby your tower or even put up your
> own.
>
> http://aprs.fi/
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Ryan Ghering  wrote:
> > We have a setup for this. I use a "carpc"
> > http://www.mini-box.com The VoomPC-2-Car-PC is the one we use currently.
> > Put debian linux on it, with a davis weather station and usb link. Then I
> > have a perl script that collects data from the weather station, and have
> > SNMP running to gather other data from each site. Has Cacti running on
> them
> > for data collection and well as syslog. Each "carpc" has an 80 gig HD and
> > gig of ram.I have a few that have 802.11 cards or USB sticks on them for
> > some basic stuff like freq monitoring etc.. All done with linux.. Best of
> > all its 12 volt and these work well in harsher environments.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Ryan
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Matt Liotta  wrote:
> >
> >> This makes me think about a cool product someone needs to produce. Some
> >> sort of device that could be deployed at a wireless colocation site that
> >> would simply listen on a variety of bands and collect weather
> information.
> >> The device would make all this data available via some reasonable API;
> >> possibly SNMP. Then a monitoring system to collect this data and graph
> it
> >> historically. This would allow the operator to have a much better view
> of
> >> the environment for which their network is operating in.
> >>
> >> -Matt
> >>
> >> On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:00 AM, John Scrivner wrote:
> >>
> >> > I am not a huge UBNT fan but I might be persuaded to buy one of these
> for
> >> > each tower to setup as a remote Spectrum Analyzer for each tower
> >> location.
> >> > How much do these radios run and who sells them on here?
> >> > Scriv
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] monitoring product (was Re: Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released)

[Philip Dorr]

You could use APRS weather stations nearby your tower or even put up your own.

http://aprs.fi/

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Ryan Ghering  wrote:
> We have a setup for this. I use a "carpc"
> http://www.mini-box.com The VoomPC-2-Car-PC is the one we use currently.
> Put debian linux on it, with a davis weather station and usb link. Then I
> have a perl script that collects data from the weather station, and have
> SNMP running to gather other data from each site. Has Cacti running on them
> for data collection and well as syslog. Each "carpc" has an 80 gig HD and
> gig of ram.I have a few that have 802.11 cards or USB sticks on them for
> some basic stuff like freq monitoring etc.. All done with linux.. Best of
> all its 12 volt and these work well in harsher environments.
>
> Thanks
> Ryan
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Matt Liotta  wrote:
>
>> This makes me think about a cool product someone needs to produce. Some
>> sort of device that could be deployed at a wireless colocation site that
>> would simply listen on a variety of bands and collect weather information.
>> The device would make all this data available via some reasonable API;
>> possibly SNMP. Then a monitoring system to collect this data and graph it
>> historically. This would allow the operator to have a much better view of
>> the environment for which their network is operating in.
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:00 AM, John Scrivner wrote:
>>
>> > I am not a huge UBNT fan but I might be persuaded to buy one of these for
>> > each tower to setup as a remote Spectrum Analyzer for each tower
>> location.
>> > How much do these radios run and who sells them on here?
>> > Scriv
>>
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Re: [WISPA] monitoring product (was Re: Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released)

[Ryan Ghering]

We have a setup for this. I use a "carpc"
http://www.mini-box.com The VoomPC-2-Car-PC is the one we use currently.
Put debian linux on it, with a davis weather station and usb link. Then I
have a perl script that collects data from the weather station, and have
SNMP running to gather other data from each site. Has Cacti running on them
for data collection and well as syslog. Each "carpc" has an 80 gig HD and
gig of ram.I have a few that have 802.11 cards or USB sticks on them for
some basic stuff like freq monitoring etc.. All done with linux.. Best of
all its 12 volt and these work well in harsher environments.

Thanks
Ryan

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Matt Liotta  wrote:

> This makes me think about a cool product someone needs to produce. Some
> sort of device that could be deployed at a wireless colocation site that
> would simply listen on a variety of bands and collect weather information.
> The device would make all this data available via some reasonable API;
> possibly SNMP. Then a monitoring system to collect this data and graph it
> historically. This would allow the operator to have a much better view of
> the environment for which their network is operating in.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:00 AM, John Scrivner wrote:
>
> > I am not a huge UBNT fan but I might be persuaded to buy one of these for
> > each tower to setup as a remote Spectrum Analyzer for each tower
> location.
> > How much do these radios run and who sells them on here?
> > Scriv
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Re: [WISPA] monitoring product (was Re: Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released)

[Ryan Spott]

Wow.. That would be useful.

ryan

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 7:07 AM, Matt Liotta  wrote:

> This makes me think about a cool product someone needs to produce. Some
> sort of device that could be deployed at a wireless colocation site that
> would simply listen on a variety of bands and collect weather information.
> The device would make all this data available via some reasonable API;
> possibly SNMP. Then a monitoring system to collect this data and graph it
> historically. This would allow the operator to have a much better view of
> the environment for which their network is operating in.
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> -Matt
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> On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:00 AM, John Scrivner wrote:
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> > I am not a huge UBNT fan but I might be persuaded to buy one of these for
> > each tower to setup as a remote Spectrum Analyzer for each tower
> location.
> > How much do these radios run and who sells them on here?
> > Scriv
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[WISPA] monitoring product (was Re: Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released)

[Matt Liotta]

This makes me think about a cool product someone needs to produce. Some sort of 
device that could be deployed at a wireless colocation site that would simply 
listen on a variety of bands and collect weather information. The device would 
make all this data available via some reasonable API; possibly SNMP. Then a 
monitoring system to collect this data and graph it historically. This would 
allow the operator to have a much better view of the environment for which 
their network is operating in.

-Matt

On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:00 AM, John Scrivner wrote:

> I am not a huge UBNT fan but I might be persuaded to buy one of these for
> each tower to setup as a remote Spectrum Analyzer for each tower location.
> How much do these radios run and who sells them on here?
> Scriv




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