Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-11-02 Thread Matt
   AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a good deal of bandwidth to their network. http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-11-02 Thread Marco Coelho
Between your border router and a properly configured squid server, you can replace entire domains using wccp. It's a pain to manage, but doable. Marco On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-11-02 Thread support
has anyone been able to get squid to ease the pain of netflix /hulu /youtube ??? if yes can you give some pointers? Thanks On 11/2/2010 11:05 AM, Marco Coelho wrote: Between your border router and a properly configured squid server, you can replace entire domains using wccp. It's a pain to

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-11-02 Thread David E. Smith
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:09, support supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone been able to get squid to ease the pain of netflix /hulu /youtube ??? I've played with it in the past, but never could get much out of it. I think there are two reasons for this. First, in my network, the pain is

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-09-02 Thread Matt
Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. What would be nice is if you could just drop your own Squid box in on your network with a wide file size

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-09-01 Thread Tom DeReggi
providers. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Why not bandwidth shape

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-09-01 Thread David E. Smith
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:20, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Who's gonna pay for that? Should I have to give up my profits this year, so that it can be re-invested into my network once again, so Hulu and NetFlix can continue to get rich? If you want to keep residential

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-09-01 Thread Blake Covarrubias
On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Also, hosting their servers is not necessarilyl free. For example, the most logicial place to put it might be at one's NOC. That NOC might reside at a Colo. At $50 per U of space, that is a residual cost that you will pay. Obviously depends

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-09-01 Thread Matt
Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Do Akamai cache boxes actually cache Netflix video? I presume they cache things like PS3 updates and

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-09-01 Thread Tom DeReggi
. Smith To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:20, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Who's gonna pay for that? Should I have to give up my profits this year, so that it can

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-09-01 Thread Jeremie Chism
: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:20, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Who's gonna pay for that? Should I have to give up my profits this year, so that it can be re-invested into my network once again, so Hulu

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Chuck Hogg
We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming from our ASN. Is there someone else we can contact? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps I have helped

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Mike Hammett
How much are you passing to them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming from our ASN. Is there someone else we can contact? Regards, Chuck

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 30 August 2010 12:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP’s to block so my customers can’t use Netflix and Hulu. So you are no longer going to be an Internet provider, and instead just be a Hotmail and CNN.com provider?

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Chuck Hogg
I really don't know...we haven't tracked it. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: How much are you passing to them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Blake Covarrubias
Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling an average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: I

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Nick Olsen
: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling an average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Mike Hammett
Is this just to have their servers on your network or to BGP peer with them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/31/2010 9:56 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling an average of

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Blake Covarrubias
To place their caching servers on our network. http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 31, 2010, at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Is this just to have their servers on your network or to BGP peer with them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Tom DeReggi
11:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Is this just to have their servers on your network or to BGP peer with them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/31/2010 9:56 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Emailed Akamai last night. Got

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the internet for X number of

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
WAIT... Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering with other customers. Our

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Josh Luthman
Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? I don't think there are any laws on it at this point. It's like ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept policy for those that pay. If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? Lots of overhead, lots of DNS

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread David E. Smith
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:51, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: WAIT... Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? Your network, your rules. Legally, you can probably block whatever you want. Doing so without informing your users (customers, for ISPs) is

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 8/31/2010 01:51 PM, Robert Kim wrote: WAIT... Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? Thankfully, there is no net neutrality rule preventing this. ISPs always block IP addresses. Spammers' address blocks, and ISPs who tolerate

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On 30 August 2010 12:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. So you are no longer going to be an Internet provider, and instead just be a Hotmail and CNN.com provider

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On 30 August 2010 12:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP’s to block so my customers can’t use Netflix and Hulu. So you are no longer going to be an Internet provider, and instead just be a Hotmail and CNN.com provider

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Is it even legal to block IP addresses

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? I don't

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Jerry Richardson
Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Is it even legal to block IP addresses

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Jeremie Chism
...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? I don't think there are any laws on it at this point. It's like ESPN's service - the default policy is to block

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Jason Bailey
My customers that run 1Mb down use it and have no trouble?Excessive bursting,then throttling will cause rebuffering after initial burst i have found. --- On Tue, 8/31/10, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Jeremie Chism
found. --- On Tue, 8/31/10, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 7:09 PM Under 3mb causes alot of complaints due to repeated buffeting

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Jeromie Reeves
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Nick Olsen
General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling an average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program. -- Blake

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Nick Olsen
, August 31, 2010 11:29 PM To: j284...@yahoo.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could offer netflix for 'free' with a specific

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Jeromie Reeves
...@yahoo.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could offer netflix for 'free' with a specific package. If they charge

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Nick Olsen
From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:51 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Yup I bet it could. Ive seen 2 of them at the same time max out a 15mbit pipe

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-31 Thread Jeromie Reeves
-- *From*: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net *Sent*: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:51 PM *To*: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Yup I bet it could. Ive seen 2 of them at the same time max out

[WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP’s to block so my customers can’t use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for content delivery services. These are

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 12:07 -0400, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Whats the IP’s to block so my customers can’t use Netflix and Hulu. Blocking netflix by IP will block a LOT more than just netflix because their content is not coming from just their servers. Hulu uses a Macromedia Flash port (TCP

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that are abusing the service. If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what that means - the customer pays for bits to be

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Michael Baird
, 2010 12:27 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com mailto:k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Regards Michael Baird Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
You need it if you have your own IP space, for BGP. If you don't own your OWN public IPs, then you don't have one. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Justin Wilson
...@wavelinc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:15:45 -0400 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Interesting, whats an AS# ? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 From

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Mike Hammett
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Regards Michael Baird Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Mike Hammett
*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael Baird *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Just contact Akamai, and give them your

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Mike Hammett
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Interesting, whats an AS# ? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Nick Olsen
of the most bandwidth intensive things around Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Mike Hammett
@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a good deal of bandwidth to their network. http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Nick Olsen
:52 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Does that 75 megabits also apply when you are looking to connect via a public peering point? Some CDN type networks waive or minimize those requirements if you connect via a public exchange. - Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Blake Covarrubias
think I heard it here, Might have been on NANOG. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:52 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Does that 75 megabits

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Jon Auer
On Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe they also told me 75mbps was the magic number. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:43, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: No clue, Just

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Glenn Kelley
they will give it to you with much less than 75mbps best just to ask them :-) On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Jon Auer wrote: On Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe they also told me

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Glenn Kelley
I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps So - just ask Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you would not believe. On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Michael Baird
Well, more like 10. The inquiry cost nothing, they will look it up and tell you if they see enough traffic from your AS to justify it or not. Regards Michael Baird On Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com mailto:bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: I contacted Akamai a while

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Chuck Hogg
I've got 300+Mbps and we don't have thousands of customers...but we do have 1500+. Regards, Chuck On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: On Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and