Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g
I agree with Carl. I sold a CPE to the County Sherrif for their comm van. Gave them the SSIDs and WEP keys for my APs. Gave them the GPS coordinates for the APs. Gave them IP Addresses as needed for statically addressed POPs. Now in an emergency, if they can find one of our APs, they are good to go. Carl A jeptha wrote: This where wisps come in, they should be part of the emergency response plan, not a half-assed after thought. I have been trying to make my community understand that a well built rural wireless solution should be part of every County's emergency plan.. in our ham operator's case, a quick call or knowledge of encryption used should get them on the network and to the necessary info and comms req. You have a good day now,en mag jou more's ook so wees. Carl A Jeptha http://www.jeptha.com 905-349-2027 skype cajeptha Matt Liotta wrote: Jack Unger wrote: OK, I'll forgive the analogy but, in a real emergency, you have to do what needs to be done. Actually, in an emergency a public safety organization should make use of their emergency communication plan, which really shouldn't rely on unlicensed spectrum, a consumer access point, and a best effort internet connection. -Matt -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g
What's illegal about it ? How about scanning and connecting and using an open access point. Jack - let me ask you a very simple question. If you left your front door open, and I just happened to be walking by and noticed your wife, would it be ok if I came in and umm connected so to speak with her and used her for a bit ? Just because an access point is open and non-secure, does not mean you have permission. Just like if you left your door open to your house, does not mean I have permission to come in and use your wife. Sorry for the analogy, but it's the only one I can come up with that makes sense to me... You need to remember, Im just one of those dumb Cajun boys. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g Holy brainfade, JohnnyO. Your comments about highly illegal just went STRAIGHT over my head. What's illegal about Brian's emergency communications operation? Hams have been providing emergency communications services since (literally) the sinking of the Titanic. jack JohnnyO wrote: Brian - Ham Operator or not - do you realize that what you're planning on doing is HIGHLY illegal and has several people over the past 2 yrs in Federal Prison as we speak ? Why don't ya'll get a VSAT system that works well for VOIP ? The cost is only about $60/mo more and you have no restrictions on bandwidth or stupid filtering like Wild Blue does JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:56 PM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for 802.11b/g I'm looking for a good client radio to use in an emergency communications vehicle. My criteria are, POE, highest gain panel antenna possible, scan/survey tool built in, web interface, 802.11b at minimum. I'm part of a ham radio emergency response group and we have our own comms van. I want to have a client radio that we can use on a push up mast to scan around for an open access point and grab bandwidth in an emergency on a scene. We respond with our county Hazmat team for support and the internet is handy. We already have a Wild Blue setup and that will work when necessary but I would like to be able to use something with lower latency so we can implement VOIP at times. I have not studied the 802.11b outdoor client radios in a long time and thought I would ask opinions here. Price is a consideration but the feature set is more important. Id' like to stay away from YDI/Proxim just because of their attitude on the phone whenever I have dealt with them. If any of you can point me to a link were I can purchase one that would be great. Have a nice day. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.29/608 - Release Date: 12/29/2006 8:22 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g
JohnnyO wrote: What's illegal about it ? How about scanning and connecting and using an open access point. I think that you will find that using an open access point to allow a first-responder (police, fire, etc.) to communicate with the rest of the world would not be considered a crime. Jack - let me ask you a very simple question. If you left your front door open, and I just happened to be walking by and noticed your wife, would it be ok if I came in and umm connected so to speak with her and used her for a bit ? Well, you better be wearing your strongest jock cup or else be prepared to suffer serious consquences when her toe or knee contacts your private parts. Here's my minimum recommendation: http://www.amazon.com/SG-Profile-Abdominal-Protective-Jock/dp/B0009ZBFPK Just because an access point is open and non-secure, does not mean you have permission. Just like if you left your door open to your house, does not mean I have permission to come in and use your wife. Sorry for the analogy, but it's the only one I can come up with that makes sense to me... You need to remember, Im just one of those dumb Cajun boys. OK, I'll forgive the analogy but, in a real emergency, you have to do what needs to be done. jack JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g Holy brainfade, JohnnyO. Your comments about highly illegal just went STRAIGHT over my head. What's illegal about Brian's emergency communications operation? Hams have been providing emergency communications services since (literally) the sinking of the Titanic. jack JohnnyO wrote: Brian - Ham Operator or not - do you realize that what you're planning on doing is HIGHLY illegal and has several people over the past 2 yrs in Federal Prison as we speak ? Why don't ya'll get a VSAT system that works well for VOIP ? The cost is only about $60/mo more and you have no restrictions on bandwidth or stupid filtering like Wild Blue does JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:56 PM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for 802.11b/g I'm looking for a good client radio to use in an emergency communications vehicle. My criteria are, POE, highest gain panel antenna possible, scan/survey tool built in, web interface, 802.11b at minimum. I'm part of a ham radio emergency response group and we have our own comms van. I want to have a client radio that we can use on a push up mast to scan around for an open access point and grab bandwidth in an emergency on a scene. We respond with our county Hazmat team for support and the internet is handy. We already have a Wild Blue setup and that will work when necessary but I would like to be able to use something with lower latency so we can implement VOIP at times. I have not studied the 802.11b outdoor client radios in a long time and thought I would ask opinions here. Price is a consideration but the feature set is more important. Id' like to stay away from YDI/Proxim just because of their attitude on the phone whenever I have dealt with them. If any of you can point me to a link were I can purchase one that would be great. Have a nice day. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g
Jack Unger wrote: OK, I'll forgive the analogy but, in a real emergency, you have to do what needs to be done. Actually, in an emergency a public safety organization should make use of their emergency communication plan, which really shouldn't rely on unlicensed spectrum, a consumer access point, and a best effort internet connection. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g
Not the wife story again.. JohnnyO wrote: What's illegal about it ? How about scanning and connecting and using an open access point. Jack - let me ask you a very simple question. If you left your front door open, and I just happened to be walking by and noticed your wife, would it be ok if I came in and umm connected so to speak with her and used her for a bit ? Just because an access point is open and non-secure, does not mean you have permission. Just like if you left your door open to your house, does not mean I have permission to come in and use your wife. Sorry for the analogy, but it's the only one I can come up with that makes sense to me... You need to remember, Im just one of those dumb Cajun boys. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g Holy brainfade, JohnnyO. Your comments about highly illegal just went STRAIGHT over my head. What's illegal about Brian's emergency communications operation? Hams have been providing emergency communications services since (literally) the sinking of the Titanic. jack JohnnyO wrote: Brian - Ham Operator or not - do you realize that what you're planning on doing is HIGHLY illegal and has several people over the past 2 yrs in Federal Prison as we speak ? Why don't ya'll get a VSAT system that works well for VOIP ? The cost is only about $60/mo more and you have no restrictions on bandwidth or stupid filtering like Wild Blue does JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:56 PM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for 802.11b/g I'm looking for a good client radio to use in an emergency communications vehicle. My criteria are, POE, highest gain panel antenna possible, scan/survey tool built in, web interface, 802.11b at minimum. I'm part of a ham radio emergency response group and we have our own comms van. I want to have a client radio that we can use on a push up mast to scan around for an open access point and grab bandwidth in an emergency on a scene. We respond with our county Hazmat team for support and the internet is handy. We already have a Wild Blue setup and that will work when necessary but I would like to be able to use something with lower latency so we can implement VOIP at times. I have not studied the 802.11b outdoor client radios in a long time and thought I would ask opinions here. Price is a consideration but the feature set is more important. Id' like to stay away from YDI/Proxim just because of their attitude on the phone whenever I have dealt with them. If any of you can point me to a link were I can purchase one that would be great. Have a nice day. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g
Matt Liotta wrote: Jack Unger wrote: OK, I'll forgive the analogy but, in a real emergency, you have to do what needs to be done. Actually, in an emergency a public safety organization should make use of their emergency communication plan, which really shouldn't rely on unlicensed spectrum, a consumer access point, and a best effort internet connection. -Matt Probably 90% of public safety organizations' Emergency Communications Plans have made use of ham radio operators for years and continue to make use of hams today. A police officer isn't a communications expert which is why many police departments and County Offices of Emergency Services fund and support communications teams and vans manned by trained hams, who are communications experts. The use of unlicensed spectrum is becoming more and more the norm. To consider the use of a consumer access point not as the primary means of communication but as one of the many backup communications options is simply being realistic and practical. jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g
WISPs should certainly be involved; some already are... Also, some WISPs have ham employees who are already involved and trained in emergency communications... Carl A jeptha wrote: This where wisps come in, they should be part of the emergency response plan, not a half-assed after thought. I have been trying to make my community understand that a well built rural wireless solution should be part of every County's emergency plan.. in our ham operator's case, a quick call or knowledge of encryption used should get them on the network and to the necessary info and comms req. You have a good day now,en mag jou more's ook so wees. Carl A Jeptha http://www.jeptha.com 905-349-2027 skype cajeptha Matt Liotta wrote: Jack Unger wrote: OK, I'll forgive the analogy but, in a real emergency, you have to do what needs to be done. Actually, in an emergency a public safety organization should make use of their emergency communication plan, which really shouldn't rely on unlicensed spectrum, a consumer access point, and a best effort internet connection. -Matt -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g
Jack Unger wrote: Probably 90% of public safety organizations' Emergency Communications Plans have made use of ham radio operators for years and continue to make use of hams today. While a ham could certainly make use of unlicensed spectrum, consumer access points, and best effort internet connections, I would think the vast majority use 2-way radios similar to what they used years before Wi-Fi even existed in the face of an emergency. The hams that I have met tend to incorporate new technology in sensible ways as opposed to some folks that believe Wi-Fi is the answer to all. A police officer isn't a communications expert which is why many police departments and County Offices of Emergency Services fund and support communications teams and vans manned by trained hams, who are communications experts. Such experts would certainly be able to come up with a better emergency plan. The use of unlicensed spectrum is becoming more and more the norm. To consider the use of a consumer access point not as the primary means of communication but as one of the many backup communications options is simply being realistic and practical. I don't see it as being realistic and practical. I can think of very few circumstances where a little bit of planning wouldn't provide for reliable communications during an emergency. In a circumstance where there is a proper communication plan that fails because the disaster is so great I'm sure the consumer's open access point on a best effort internet connection isn't going to work anyway. It sure did seem like all the organizations with mobile satellite equipment were communicating just fine in recent disasters. A portable VSAT on a usage plan is quite cheap and very effective. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g
Jack Unger wrote: I think that you will find that using an open access point to allow a first-responder (police, fire, etc.) to communicate with the rest of the world would not be considered a crime. Technically, yes, it probably is. No prosecutor in this country would touch it with a ten-foot law dictionary, of course, but it's still (I think) a crime. Unless it isn't... Many (most?) jurisdictions do have special exceptions for law enforcement and emergency personnel, allowing (for instance) firefighters in civilian vehicles to speed and run red lights, and allowing police to commandeer those same civilian vehicles. I don't know whether those are specific exemptions, or if there's a more general we're saving lives we can do what we need to do law, and it surely varies from place to place. OK, I'll forgive the analogy but, in a real emergency, you have to do what needs to be done. Moreally and ethically, it may be right, but that doesn't make it legal. I'd argue that, especially when lives are at stake, right trumps legal, but that doesn't make the issues with legal disappear. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
