Re: [WISPA] residential repeater site contract
Thank you for sharing, Rick! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:22 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Attached...RickG On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM, sa...@jeffcosoho.com sa...@jeffcosoho.comwrote: Anyone have a contract they could share for this? Thanx Jim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] residential repeater site contract
My repeater contact is simple. If un-served-behind-the-big-rock-customer (USBTBR) wants service, they need to talk to their neighbor about it. If they establish some sort dialog, then the house-with-service-customer (HWSC) calls me to tell me it is OK. I find that this makes it a community/neighbor issue and really cuts down on you have been on my roof for a year with 3 customers, I want $5K a month rent now sorts of calls). I give a $5 per month discount to the HWSC for the first USBTBRr they repeat to. After the second USBTBR is using the repeater, the house-with-service customer is no longer billed. We usually don't even tell them we stopped billing them. They call us after a month or 4 and ask us why there have been no debits. Then we tell them. :) Because there is: a financial incentive (free or reduced cost service and See's Chocolate delivered by my daughter during the holidays), a broadband incentive (I usually put these people on my 5.8Ghz backbone), and a good neighbor incentive (some USBTBR have mowed the house-with-service-customer's lawns, baked pies etc) We often get house-with-service-customers giving us access to their backup generators, rebooting our equipment for us etc. Some things I have learned: 1. NEVER tell the USBTBR that the house-with-service-customer is getting free or reduced cost service. 2. If you PoE is inside the HWSC home, install some sort of female-female coupler in a weather resistant box at ground level so you can come onto the property for reboots without entering the house or climbing on the roof. 3. Never tell the USBTBR that this reboot device exists, but let the HWSC know it is there and let them tell the others if they wish. This reduces all of the neighbors coming across the lawn to reboot what they think is a bad repeater. The HWSC will generally let one or 2 trusted neighbors know the reboot thing is there. 4. Keep the roof traffic down to a minimum. Asphalt shingles begin to wear out after a while causing concern with residential owners. 5. Keep the truck traffic down to daylight hours and tell the HWSC that you won't even knock on their door and disturb them if you are just coming for a reboot or quick service call. Of course, a few of my HWSC DO want me to tell them I am there, and I do. 6. Establish with your USBTBRs FIRST OFF that they are behind a repeater that is there due to the good graces of the HWSC. Therefore, if service drops in the middle of the nigh, you are not going to wake someone up to do a reboot, nor are you going to risk getting shot running to that person's house to reboot the repeater. ryan Josh Luthman wrote: Thank you for sharing, Rick! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:22 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Attached...RickG On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM, sa...@jeffcosoho.com sa...@jeffcosoho.comwrote: Anyone have a contract they could share for this? Thanx Jim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] residential repeater site contract
Thanx Rick Jim RickG wrote: Attached...RickG On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM, sa...@jeffcosoho.com sa...@jeffcosoho.comwrote: Anyone have a contract they could share for this? Thanx Jim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] residential repeater site contract
All good points. I put a box complete with power and ethernet switch on the outside of HWSC so I can control everything. I also try to stay away from roof top mounts. I'd rather be on a grain silo, short tower., or even a barn than track on someone's shingles. -RickG On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:34 PM, D. Ryan Spottrsp...@cspott.com wrote: My repeater contact is simple. If un-served-behind-the-big-rock-customer (USBTBR) wants service, they need to talk to their neighbor about it. If they establish some sort dialog, then the house-with-service-customer (HWSC) calls me to tell me it is OK. I find that this makes it a community/neighbor issue and really cuts down on you have been on my roof for a year with 3 customers, I want $5K a month rent now sorts of calls). I give a $5 per month discount to the HWSC for the first USBTBRr they repeat to. After the second USBTBR is using the repeater, the house-with-service customer is no longer billed. We usually don't even tell them we stopped billing them. They call us after a month or 4 and ask us why there have been no debits. Then we tell them. :) Because there is: a financial incentive (free or reduced cost service and See's Chocolate delivered by my daughter during the holidays), a broadband incentive (I usually put these people on my 5.8Ghz backbone), and a good neighbor incentive (some USBTBR have mowed the house-with-service-customer's lawns, baked pies etc) We often get house-with-service-customers giving us access to their backup generators, rebooting our equipment for us etc. Some things I have learned: 1. NEVER tell the USBTBR that the house-with-service-customer is getting free or reduced cost service. 2. If you PoE is inside the HWSC home, install some sort of female-female coupler in a weather resistant box at ground level so you can come onto the property for reboots without entering the house or climbing on the roof. 3. Never tell the USBTBR that this reboot device exists, but let the HWSC know it is there and let them tell the others if they wish. This reduces all of the neighbors coming across the lawn to reboot what they think is a bad repeater. The HWSC will generally let one or 2 trusted neighbors know the reboot thing is there. 4. Keep the roof traffic down to a minimum. Asphalt shingles begin to wear out after a while causing concern with residential owners. 5. Keep the truck traffic down to daylight hours and tell the HWSC that you won't even knock on their door and disturb them if you are just coming for a reboot or quick service call. Of course, a few of my HWSC DO want me to tell them I am there, and I do. 6. Establish with your USBTBRs FIRST OFF that they are behind a repeater that is there due to the good graces of the HWSC. Therefore, if service drops in the middle of the nigh, you are not going to wake someone up to do a reboot, nor are you going to risk getting shot running to that person's house to reboot the repeater. ryan Josh Luthman wrote: Thank you for sharing, Rick! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:22 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Attached...RickG On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM, sa...@jeffcosoho.com sa...@jeffcosoho.comwrote: Anyone have a contract they could share for this? Thanx Jim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] residential repeater site contract
You're welcome! Use at your own risk. This was originally from a lawyer approved tower agreement and edited to provide for a simple contract for residential repeaters. They need simple! All that fine print overwhelms them! -RickG On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:00 PM, sa...@jeffcosoho.comsa...@jeffcosoho.com wrote: Thanx Rick Jim RickG wrote: Attached...RickG On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM, sa...@jeffcosoho.com sa...@jeffcosoho.comwrote: Anyone have a contract they could share for this? Thanx Jim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] residential repeater site contract
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