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You're seeing LOCAL government cutting back, but not the federal. It's going to grow by at least 500,000 to 700,000 new employees in the next couple of years. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools That's kind of the point. Travis's post illuminated that many of us are seeing jobs being lost across the board including in the government sector. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Don't get me started. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools You're seeing LOCAL government cutting back, but not the federal. It's going to grow by at least 500,000 to 700,000 new employees in the next couple of years. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools That's kind of the point. Travis's post illuminated that many of us are seeing jobs being lost across the board including in the government sector. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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The biggest problem with all this, is that dictionaries use old definitions... and the definition of a dynamic political ideology is bound to change. I'm far closer to the definition quoted, and yet, today, nobody would dream of calling me a liberal. This makes conversations a lot harder. And tempers a lot hotter. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies that considers individual liberty and equality to be the most important political goals.[1] Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Within liberalism, there are various streams of thought which compete over the use of the term liberal and may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for constitutional liberalism, which encompasses support for: freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, an individual's right to private property,[2] and a transparent system of government.[3][4][5] All liberals, as well as some adherents of other political ideologies, support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.[6] Marlon K. Schafer wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism That one is about as far off as it can get. I think liberalism is interested in equal outcome, not equal opportunity. It's interested in eliminating the poor, bad grades, winners and losers etc. Liberalism wants to make sure you don't loose that house you shouldn't have etc. flame suit on marlon - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last paragraph... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100 million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead! Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district
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I'm no economist, but isn't the same amount of money entering the marketplace either way? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:28 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100 million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead! Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today
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So is this something where as part of our network build to a new area, the school pays a certain appropriate installation for getting high speed Internet to their facility. The grant pays for it. We just happen to take that extended network segment and build PtMP off of it for our own use? If we get a broadband grant, perhaps that's the matching 20%? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:13 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] schools Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism That one is about as far off as it can get. I think liberalism is interested in equal outcome, not equal opportunity. It's interested in eliminating the poor, bad grades, winners and losers etc. Liberalism wants to make sure you don't loose that house you shouldn't have etc. flame suit on marlon - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last paragraph... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100 million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead! Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
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Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies that considers individual liberty and equality to be the most important political goals.[1] Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Within liberalism, there are various streams of thought which compete over the use of the term liberal and may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for constitutional liberalism, which encompasses support for: freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, an individual's right to private property,[2] and a transparent system of government.[3][4][5] All liberals, as well as some adherents of other political ideologies, support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.[6] Marlon K. Schafer wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism That one is about as far off as it can get. I think liberalism is interested in equal outcome, not equal opportunity. It's interested in eliminating the poor, bad grades, winners and losers etc. Liberalism wants to make sure you don't loose that house you shouldn't have etc. flame suit on marlon - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last paragraph... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100 million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead! Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG
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yeah, I read what it said. It's a VERY white washed and politically correct version though. It's certainly NOT what our current liberalism is here. If liberalism were really about equal opportunity we'd not get punished for being successful. Nor would people be rewarded for failure/bad decisions. marlon - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies that considers individual liberty and equality to be the most important political goals.[1] Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Within liberalism, there are various streams of thought which compete over the use of the term liberal and may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for constitutional liberalism, which encompasses support for: freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, an individual's right to private property,[2] and a transparent system of government.[3][4][5] All liberals, as well as some adherents of other political ideologies, support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.[6] Marlon K. Schafer wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism That one is about as far off as it can get. I think liberalism is interested in equal outcome, not equal opportunity. It's interested in eliminating the poor, bad grades, winners and losers etc. Liberalism wants to make sure you don't loose that house you shouldn't have etc. flame suit on marlon - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last paragraph... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100 million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead! Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid
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If you really want to get your head spinning, the labels are mean the opposite overseas. Classical economic liberalism is today's United States conservative, and vice versa. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies that considers individual liberty and equality to be the most important political goals.[1] Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Within liberalism, there are various streams of thought which compete over the use of the term liberal and may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for constitutional liberalism, which encompasses support for: freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, an individual's right to private property,[2] and a transparent system of government.[3][4][5] All liberals, as well as some adherents of other political ideologies, support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.[6] Marlon K. Schafer wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism That one is about as far off as it can get. I think liberalism is interested in equal outcome, not equal opportunity. It's interested in eliminating the poor, bad grades, winners and losers etc. Liberalism wants to make sure you don't loose that house you shouldn't have etc. flame suit on marlon - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last paragraph... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100 million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead! Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may
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I think they are labels, it's the old divide and conquer. We call ourselves left and right and then fight about it, all the while our politicians, both left and right, have a good old time trying to figure out how to get more tax revenue out of us while having a good old time with our money. Jeff Broadwick wrote: If you really want to get your head spinning, the labels are mean the opposite overseas. Classical economic liberalism is today's United States conservative, and vice versa. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies that considers individual liberty and equality to be the most important political goals.[1] Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Within liberalism, there are various streams of thought which compete over the use of the term liberal and may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for constitutional liberalism, which encompasses support for: freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, an individual's right to private property,[2] and a transparent system of government.[3][4][5] All liberals, as well as some adherents of other political ideologies, support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.[6] Marlon K. Schafer wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism That one is about as far off as it can get. I think liberalism is interested in equal outcome, not equal opportunity. It's interested in eliminating the poor, bad grades, winners and losers etc. Liberalism wants to make sure you don't loose that house you shouldn't have etc. flame suit on marlon - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last paragraph... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100 million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead! Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10
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Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I'm no mod, but lets use caution when posting to this thread. I smell politics. Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Not sure Brad. I was doing some math the other day. $1 Trillion divided by the US population of 303,824,640= $3291.37 USD per person. Question is, what is a household? Average household size. 2.59 http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/SAFFFacts ( Has 2007 population statistics) Answer: $8,524.6483 per average American household. See all they got to do is raise our taxes and it will be paid off in no time. (Was meant to be sarcastic) Hope this was helpful. George Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Find all the details in this article. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstorysid=aGq2B3XeGKok U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailout Programs (Update1) By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The stimulus package the U.S. Congress is completing would raise the governments commitment to solving the financial crisis to $9.7 trillion, enough to pay off more than 90 percent of the nations home mortgages. Brian Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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That's kind of the point. Travis's post illuminated that many of us are seeing jobs being lost across the board including in the government sector. That prompted my question; wouldn't we all be better off if the stimulus was just a plain and simple check cut to each household. The numbers have gotten so large that it's hard to keep up with everything that is being spent. The $70k - $80k per household was mentioned on more than news source, but even then I had a hard time believing it. Bottom line is I'm not sure anyone would choose our current path if they knew they could have had a $10k check in their pocket much less $70 - $80k! Puts things a little more in perspective. Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Find all the details in this article. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstorysid=aGq2B3XeGKok sid=aGq2B3XeGKok U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailout Programs (Update1) By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The stimulus package the U.S. Congress is completing would raise the government's commitment to solving the financial crisis to $9.7 trillion, enough to pay off more than 90 percent of the nation's home mortgages. Brian Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
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Yeah, but that's taking supposed stimulus over the last several *years*, and most of that isn't even stimulus money in the first place (FDIC money isn't stimulus money in nearly any definition but the author's) and much of the rest of the article is speculative at best. It isn't even remotely true that the _stimulus_ is within spitting distance of the claimed $9.7 trillion. Now if the *stimulus* money were *really* $7+ trillion life would be very interesting indeed. Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:10 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Find all the details in this article. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? pid=washingtonstorysid=aGq2B3XeGKok U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailout Programs (Update1) By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The stimulus package the U.S. Congress is completing would raise the government’s commitment to solving the financial crisis to $9.7 trillion, enough to pay off more than 90 percent of the nation’s home mortgages. Brian Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
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Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead! Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
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I knew you would pick up on that ! :) George Brad Belton wrote: Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead! Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
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The problem is, if everyone was given $10K, it'd be truly worthless. There aren't any more goods produced by issuing checks like that...just more cash-which means inflation of a most extreme sort. There's that risk as it is, but at least there's some attempt to focus on how it's used (I'm not saying I agree with any of this by the way. I know something's got to be done, but I doubt it is clear to anyone just what that something really should be). Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:28 PM, Brad Belton wrote: That's kind of the point. Travis's post illuminated that many of us are seeing jobs being lost across the board including in the government sector. That prompted my question; wouldn't we all be better off if the stimulus was just a plain and simple check cut to each household. The numbers have gotten so large that it's hard to keep up with everything that is being spent. The $70k - $80k per household was mentioned on more than news source, but even then I had a hard time believing it. Bottom line is I'm not sure anyone would choose our current path if they knew they could have had a $10k check in their pocket much less $70 - $80k! Puts things a little more in perspective. Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Find all the details in this article. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstorysid=aGq2B3XeGKok sid=aGq2B3XeGKok U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailout Programs (Update1) By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The stimulus package the U.S. Congress is completing would raise the government's commitment to solving the financial crisis to $9.7 trillion, enough to pay off more than 90 percent of the nation's home mortgages. Brian Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where
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On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:23 PM, George Rogato wrote: I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. Yeah, I've heard similar comments from folks on both ends of the spectrum. There's lots of skepticism. Me, I don't bother having an opinion because, as much as I keep up on this stuff...well, I don't know dinky-do. I have *no* idea why I'm responding to this thread. Normally I like to pretend I'm smart enough to stay out of such discussions ;-). Must be all that economic stress is addling my brain! Chuck I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all
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Don't worry Chuck, your not alone. I've resigned myself to it's interesting conversation and no matter what I or most think, it doesn't matter anyways. Chuck Bartosch wrote: On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:23 PM, George Rogato wrote: I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. Yeah, I've heard similar comments from folks on both ends of the spectrum. There's lots of skepticism. Me, I don't bother having an opinion because, as much as I keep up on this stuff...well, I don't know dinky-do. I have *no* idea why I'm responding to this thread. Normally I like to pretend I'm smart enough to stay out of such discussions ;-). Must be all that economic stress is addling my brain! Chuck I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
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In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100 million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead! Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants
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Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last paragraph... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100 million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead! Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
