Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

2009-03-22 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments) ARGH! I was late (even by pacific time, I wonder if they wait until Hawaii time before they make the cutoff?) I spent nearly two hours trying to figure out vague errors I

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Jeff Broadwick
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Richey Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Why should you HAVE to pay for something that you really will never use? I read about guys in rural areas that are still paying $700+ for a T1. Even at $500/mo that's

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Richey myli...@battleop.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:45 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Why should you HAVE to pay for something

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Jeff Broadwick
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN You should engineer your network to take advantage of BGP instead of being afraid of it. BGP will bring you closer to more parts

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Mike Hammett
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Hi Mike, I can't agree more! Circuit diversity is really difficult in some remote areas though. Many times, bringing redundant circuits in via licensed links is the ONLY way to get true diversity. Regards, Jeff ImageStream -Original Message

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Jason Hensley
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Mike Hammett
: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial DS3. 10mb: $4300 20mb: $4788 30mb: $5300 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, March

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Richey
' Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Hi Mike, I can't agree more! Circuit diversity is really difficult in some remote areas though. Many times, bringing redundant circuits in via licensed links is the ONLY way to get true diversity. Regards, Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- From: Chadd Thompson chad...@msn.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Been there done that. We were getting double billed for about 8 months because they didn't remove our billing on some old

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Richey myli...@battleop.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN That's still a pretty hard thing for a small provider to swallow when they are starting out. Richey -Original

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Rick Kunze
They're close to 1/2 that now. Rk On 3/17/2009 8:22 PM, Chadd Thompson wrote: Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial DS3. 10mb: $4300 20mb: $4788 30mb: $5300 WISPA Wants

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Rick Kunze
On 3/17/2009 8:49 PM, RickG wrote: Of course, they'll bill you 10 times that and never fix their billing issues! -RickG This is also true! Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Rick Kunze
On 3/18/2009 7:13 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I only call the telco once on billing problems now. If that doesn't fix it I call the PUC. I concur. That REALLY gets their attention. I did it with my LEC some years back when Frontier was still Citizens. Now I call them Frontizens. Once I

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Chadd Thompson
] speaking of ARIN They're close to 1/2 that now. Rk On 3/17/2009 8:22 PM, Chadd Thompson wrote: Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial DS3. 10mb: $4300 20mb: $4788 30mb: $5300

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:55 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN They're close to 1/2 that now. Rk On 3/17/2009 8:22 PM, Chadd Thompson wrote: Here

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Brad Belton
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:22 AM To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Depends on the loop. My CO is a tandem and there are at least 6 different

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Chuck Profito
Peter Matt, some one's knocking -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:22 AM To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Depends

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Mike Hammett
, 2009 12:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Peter Matt, some one's knocking -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:22 AM

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Jason Hensley
AM To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Depends on the loop. My CO is a tandem and there are at least 6 different carriers there (Qwest, ATT, MCI, Sprint, Lightcore, and Norlight first come to mind), but I'm still $5k - $7k for a DS3 with a 0 mile loop

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread reader
wow. i can get that for way under 2k... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread reader
General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Hi Mike, I can't agree more! Circuit diversity is really difficult in some remote areas though. Many times, bringing redundant circuits in via licensed links is the ONLY way to get true diversity. Regards, Jeff ImageStream

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Rick Kunze
ATT's deal is based on the loops being under 25 miles. There's another price for 25 to 50 miles. I think it's also a 2xT minimum or something like that. I'm almost at capacity on my 4xT circuit. I have been trying to pull a tricky deal with them but so far it's not working. My territory is

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread RickG
but at this point in time no one seems to be able to help us out down here. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread John Thomas
: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Are you saying that it is not practical for you to get a T-1 so that you can legitimately run BGP and multi home? You can set BGP so that 99% of the traffic goes over the bigger pipe if necessary. I

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread John Thomas
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Of course, they'll bill you 10 times that and never fix their billing issues! -RickG On Tue, Mar 17

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

2009-03-17 Thread Randy Cosby
acceptabledata. I'll keep my comments to myself on this. Dylan From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN What is the due date

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Scott Piehn
One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP. Scott - Original Message - From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN If you are multihomed you need

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Cliff Olle
: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP. Scott - Original Message - From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP. Scott - Original Message - From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

2009-03-17 Thread Don Renner
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments) If you're asking about form 477 the due date is in 22 minutes. http://www.fcc.gov/form477/ JUST got ours in 20 min ago. Shew!!! Only took 2 guys 7

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

2009-03-17 Thread Dylan Bouterse
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments) ARGH! I was late (even by pacific time, I wonder if they wait until Hawaii time before they make

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

2009-03-17 Thread Randy Cosby
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments) If you're asking about form 477 the due date is in 22 minutes. http://www.fcc.gov/form477/ JUST

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

2009-03-17 Thread Mike Hammett
They won't even come knocking on your door if you don't file at all, so I think you'll be okay. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Richey
List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days or they could revoke my IP's. Would they allot a /20 in the case you are only using 4 class Cs? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

2009-03-17 Thread Ed Spoon - Computer Sales Services, Inc.
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN What is the due date for that form? Cliff Olle wrote: With the information

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

2009-03-17 Thread Randy Cosby
Bouterse Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments) If you're asking about form 477 the due date is in 22 minutes. http://www.fcc.gov/form477/ JUST got ours in 20 min ago. Shew!!! Only took 2 guys 7 hours straight

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Mike Hammett
Piehn Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP. Scott - Original Message - From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Richey myli...@battleop.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN /rant on Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a market

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread John Thomas
off Richey -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Olle Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Chadd Thompson
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I won't say the new name), but a DS3 delivered here is well over $5k. The provider must always provide you with IPs, assuming you meet justification. - Mike Hammett Intelligent

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Travis Johnson
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Olle Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days or they could revoke my IP's. Would

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread John Thomas
: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I won't say the new name), but a DS3 delivered here is well over $5k. The provider must always provide you with IPs, assuming you

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread John Thomas
Of Cliff Olle Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days or they could revoke my IP's. Would they allot a /20 in the case you are only using 4 class Cs

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Richey
traffic rolls over to the T1. Richey -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Are you saying that it is not practical

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread RickG
Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I won't say

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Chadd Thompson
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I won't say

[WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We probably need to get our own ip addys now. We're using 4 class c's and will need more pretty soon in one location. Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process? marlon WISPA Wants You!

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread Scott Carullo
Subject: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN We probably need to get our own ip addys now. We're using 4 class c's and will need more pretty soon in one location. Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process? marlon

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread Scott Piehn
, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN You dont need that - just go to their website and you can call too - its easy. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Monday, March 16

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
office manager is about ready to quit over this! g marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN agreed When we had

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread reader
? insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN oh man, we're STILL working on the 477. Isn't that an absolute disaster

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread Cliff Olle
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN oh man, we're STILL working on the 477. Isn't that an absolute disaster? We don't ever TRACK most of what they want. sigh I'm going

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread Scott Reed
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN oh man, we're STILL working on the 477. Isn't that an absolute disaster? We don't ever TRACK most of what they want. sigh

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN oh man, we're STILL working on the 477. Isn't that an absolute disaster

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread John Thomas
If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if you are not, then you will need to justify a /20 ( 16 class C's) John Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We probably need to get our own ip addys now. We're using 4 class c's and will need more pretty soon in one location.

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

2009-03-16 Thread Dylan Bouterse
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN What is the due date for that form? Cliff Olle wrote: With the information that Brian Webster generated for us, we did the filing in 5