[WISPA] Training Contractors

2006-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
I am going to attempt to hire some new CPE installers, as contractors, paid 
by the job (peice work).  (I see market rate around $100-$150 per 
job -residential).
Finding guys that ALREADY know how to do it correctly, is not likely.  This 
brings me to Training.


How are you training the installers?  Are you making them do a mandatory 
time period shadowing/apprenticing with one of your existing installers? If 
so, does their pay change for that period?
Are you bringing them in-house for a significant duration Trainging Class? 
For example, a 1 week class room training?  What minimum requirements do you 
expect them to have to be worthy to be trained?  I hear that many are 
successfull hiring X-Satelite TV installers, but they are not likely to have 
extensive TCPIP experience.


Its not easy finding a guy thats willing to climb a ladder daily and also 
had his free time being spent as a computer geek.  They are two different 
breed people (The worken man and the intellectual). Do you train the geek to 
climb a ladder, or train the ladder climber to be a geek?  I find that 
applicants that have physical labor backgrounds work faster, and enjoy their 
job as being a wireless installer, as adds many new challenges and is easier 
work.  But the training can be tough starting at ground zero, how to 
configure the LAPTOP with an IP address.  When I employed, and paid by the 
hour or salary, it was pretty easy to figure out who to hire.  But 
contracting, a whole new set of issues arise.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband 


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RE: [WISPA] Training Contractors

2006-12-29 Thread chris cooper
Find some satellite TV contractors that want to know more. Ive found
them to be pretty skilled and slick at doing quality installs.
chris

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Subject: [WISPA] Training Contractors

I am going to attempt to hire some new CPE installers, as contractors,
paid 
by the job (peice work).  (I see market rate around $100-$150 per 
job -residential).
Finding guys that ALREADY know how to do it correctly, is not likely.
This 
brings me to Training.

How are you training the installers?  Are you making them do a mandatory

time period shadowing/apprenticing with one of your existing installers?
If 
so, does their pay change for that period?
Are you bringing them in-house for a significant duration Trainging
Class? 
For example, a 1 week class room training?  What minimum requirements do
you 
expect them to have to be worthy to be trained?  I hear that many are 
successfull hiring X-Satelite TV installers, but they are not likely to
have 
extensive TCPIP experience.

Its not easy finding a guy thats willing to climb a ladder daily and
also 
had his free time being spent as a computer geek.  They are two
different 
breed people (The worken man and the intellectual). Do you train the
geek to 
climb a ladder, or train the ladder climber to be a geek?  I find that 
applicants that have physical labor backgrounds work faster, and enjoy
their 
job as being a wireless installer, as adds many new challenges and is
easier 
work.  But the training can be tough starting at ground zero, how to 
configure the LAPTOP with an IP address.  When I employed, and paid by
the 
hour or salary, it was pretty easy to figure out who to hire.  But 
contracting, a whole new set of issues arise.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband 

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Re: [WISPA] training

2006-12-20 Thread KyWiFi LLC
Hey Dee,

There will be wireless training manuals available for
download and customization on http://www.ispbuddy.com
They will be available in the Tools section of the system.

Go to the URL above and signup for the notification list.
There are already several hundred ISP's and Satellite TV
businesses registered and awaiting system details. Plus,
once you're registered, you can send in feature requests
which will be considered for development and addition to
the system.


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I really would like to see a simple wireless installation training manual. 
The local 
folks wnat $7K to produce one :-(

-Dee


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Subject:
[WISPA] training


 Hi,

 Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual
 already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have
 something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something
 they want to share?

 Travis
 Microserv
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Re: [WISPA] training

2006-12-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I have a ppt that I wrote for Matt, Jaime and I to present.  We did it at 
one of the EC expos.  Folks seemed to like it.


It's a couple of years out of date but wouldn't take much to update.  I 
think having three people that didn't always see eye to eye made this a 
great course to take.


marlon

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Hi,

Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual already 
put together? We are finally to the point we need to have something for 
the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something they want to 
share?


Travis
Microserv
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Re: [WISPA] training

2006-12-20 Thread Jack Unger

Hi Travis,

I've been providing on-site training to the WISP and to the larger 
broadband wireless industry and have trained over 2000 people since 
2001. Unfortunately I can't do it for free and stay in business any more 
than a WISP can provide service for free and stay in business. Please 
feel free to contact me off-list to discuss how I can help you with your 
specific needs.


Best regards,
  jack

Travis Johnson wrote:

Hi,

Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual 
already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have 
something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something 
they want to share?


Travis
Microserv


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RE: [WISPA] training

2006-12-20 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Marlon,

I'd too be interested in seeing what you have. How about posting to the
'paid members' list?

Cliff LeBoeuf
www.cssla.com
www.triparish.net


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] training

I have a ppt that I wrote for Matt, Jaime and I to present.  We did it
at 
one of the EC expos.  Folks seemed to like it.

It's a couple of years out of date but wouldn't take much to update.  I 
think having three people that didn't always see eye to eye made this a 
great course to take.

marlon

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wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:26 PM
Subject: [WISPA] training


 Hi,

 Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual
already 
 put together? We are finally to the point we need to have something
for 
 the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something they want to 
 share?

 Travis
 Microserv
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[WISPA] training

2006-12-19 Thread Travis Johnson

Hi,

Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual 
already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have 
something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something 
they want to share?


Travis
Microserv
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Re: [WISPA] training

2006-12-19 Thread Butch Evans

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Travis Johnson wrote:

Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual 
already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have 
something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has 
something they want to share?


As you may know, I am working on several technical training classes, 
including one that covers WISP Basics.  While the focus of this 
class is not exactly what you asked for, it is a good starting 
point.  However, If you'd like, I can put together a manual for you. 
While I'm at it, how many others would be interested in such a 
manual?  If I did this, it would most likely be a video that covers 
such topics as:

* Mounting techniques - rooftop and dss arm type mounts
* Antenna basics - aiming and testing link quality
* Weather proofing - we all know about this
* Cable runs - including basics on how to drill various
materials and where to drill (and not to drill).
Also, drip loops
* Grounding
* Termination of LMR and Ethernet cables
* Testing the final install

This is just off the top of my head, but the real question would be 
(for me), how many would be willing to pay for such a video...and 
what is it worth?



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Re: [WISPA] training

2006-12-19 Thread W.D.McKinney
I really would like to see a simple wireless installation training manual. 
The local folks wnat $7K to produce one :-(

-Dee


Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net


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Subject:
[WISPA] training


 Hi,
 
 Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual 
 already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have 
 something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something 
 they want to share?
 
 Travis
 Microserv
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