[WISPA] Training Contractors
I am going to attempt to hire some new CPE installers, as contractors, paid by the job (peice work). (I see market rate around $100-$150 per job -residential). Finding guys that ALREADY know how to do it correctly, is not likely. This brings me to Training. How are you training the installers? Are you making them do a mandatory time period shadowing/apprenticing with one of your existing installers? If so, does their pay change for that period? Are you bringing them in-house for a significant duration Trainging Class? For example, a 1 week class room training? What minimum requirements do you expect them to have to be worthy to be trained? I hear that many are successfull hiring X-Satelite TV installers, but they are not likely to have extensive TCPIP experience. Its not easy finding a guy thats willing to climb a ladder daily and also had his free time being spent as a computer geek. They are two different breed people (The worken man and the intellectual). Do you train the geek to climb a ladder, or train the ladder climber to be a geek? I find that applicants that have physical labor backgrounds work faster, and enjoy their job as being a wireless installer, as adds many new challenges and is easier work. But the training can be tough starting at ground zero, how to configure the LAPTOP with an IP address. When I employed, and paid by the hour or salary, it was pretty easy to figure out who to hire. But contracting, a whole new set of issues arise. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Training Contractors
Find some satellite TV contractors that want to know more. Ive found them to be pretty skilled and slick at doing quality installs. chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Training Contractors I am going to attempt to hire some new CPE installers, as contractors, paid by the job (peice work). (I see market rate around $100-$150 per job -residential). Finding guys that ALREADY know how to do it correctly, is not likely. This brings me to Training. How are you training the installers? Are you making them do a mandatory time period shadowing/apprenticing with one of your existing installers? If so, does their pay change for that period? Are you bringing them in-house for a significant duration Trainging Class? For example, a 1 week class room training? What minimum requirements do you expect them to have to be worthy to be trained? I hear that many are successfull hiring X-Satelite TV installers, but they are not likely to have extensive TCPIP experience. Its not easy finding a guy thats willing to climb a ladder daily and also had his free time being spent as a computer geek. They are two different breed people (The worken man and the intellectual). Do you train the geek to climb a ladder, or train the ladder climber to be a geek? I find that applicants that have physical labor backgrounds work faster, and enjoy their job as being a wireless installer, as adds many new challenges and is easier work. But the training can be tough starting at ground zero, how to configure the LAPTOP with an IP address. When I employed, and paid by the hour or salary, it was pretty easy to figure out who to hire. But contracting, a whole new set of issues arise. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.29/607 - Release Date: 12/28/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] training
Hey Dee, There will be wireless training manuals available for download and customization on http://www.ispbuddy.com They will be available in the Tools section of the system. Go to the URL above and signup for the notification list. There are already several hundred ISP's and Satellite TV businesses registered and awaiting system details. Plus, once you're registered, you can send in feature requests which will be considered for development and addition to the system. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] training I really would like to see a simple wireless installation training manual. The local folks wnat $7K to produce one :-( -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com, WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:26:18 -0900 Subject: [WISPA] training Hi, Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something they want to share? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] training
I have a ppt that I wrote for Matt, Jaime and I to present. We did it at one of the EC expos. Folks seemed to like it. It's a couple of years out of date but wouldn't take much to update. I think having three people that didn't always see eye to eye made this a great course to take. marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] training Hi, Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something they want to share? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] training
Hi Travis, I've been providing on-site training to the WISP and to the larger broadband wireless industry and have trained over 2000 people since 2001. Unfortunately I can't do it for free and stay in business any more than a WISP can provide service for free and stay in business. Please feel free to contact me off-list to discuss how I can help you with your specific needs. Best regards, jack Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something they want to share? Travis Microserv -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] training
Marlon, I'd too be interested in seeing what you have. How about posting to the 'paid members' list? Cliff LeBoeuf www.cssla.com www.triparish.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 7:37 AM To: WISPA General List; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] training I have a ppt that I wrote for Matt, Jaime and I to present. We did it at one of the EC expos. Folks seemed to like it. It's a couple of years out of date but wouldn't take much to update. I think having three people that didn't always see eye to eye made this a great course to take. marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] training Hi, Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something they want to share? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] training
Hi, Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something they want to share? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] training
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Travis Johnson wrote: Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something they want to share? As you may know, I am working on several technical training classes, including one that covers WISP Basics. While the focus of this class is not exactly what you asked for, it is a good starting point. However, If you'd like, I can put together a manual for you. While I'm at it, how many others would be interested in such a manual? If I did this, it would most likely be a video that covers such topics as: * Mounting techniques - rooftop and dss arm type mounts * Antenna basics - aiming and testing link quality * Weather proofing - we all know about this * Cable runs - including basics on how to drill various materials and where to drill (and not to drill). Also, drip loops * Grounding * Termination of LMR and Ethernet cables * Testing the final install This is just off the top of my head, but the real question would be (for me), how many would be willing to pay for such a video...and what is it worth? -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] training
I really would like to see a simple wireless installation training manual. The local folks wnat $7K to produce one :-( -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com, WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:26:18 -0900 Subject: [WISPA] training Hi, Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something they want to share? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/