Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-29 Thread Peter R.
Rick Smith wrote: I still don't see why anyone should be able to use my network without paying me for the right to do so. PERIOD. I don't run a network for the benefit of the free world, I run it for the benefit of my checkbook. Which needs SERIOUS help. :) OK, and while we're at it,

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality On 6/28/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it was, then it would be illegal to block hackers and criminals from using your network as well. As FON clearly has no concern for Acceptabl

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-29 Thread Dylan Oliver
On 6/29/06, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difference between FON and nimrod customers, is that FON isexploiting this for THEIR gain. is flowing, at my expense, intoFON's pockets, due to a nimrod customer that installed their gear at the violation of my AUP.Again, plz read fon.com

[WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all?

2006-06-28 Thread Rick Smith
Anyone seen FON ? This is insane. Anyone test one yet ? I want to know what network their hotspot runs back to, so I can block it Can someone that might have one throw a sniffer against it ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Charles Wu
-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick SmithSent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:41 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? Anyone seen FON ? This is insane. Anyone test one yet ? I want

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Rick Smith
.cwlab.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick SmithSent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:41 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? Anyone seen FON ? This is insane. Anyon

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Charles Wu wrote: out of curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral people) -- would blocking something like FON constitute a violation of net neutrality? I don't think you'll find many pro net neutral people on this list. I would have to say that most of

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
at: http://www.twcnc.com/road_runner/info/terms.cfm . . . j o n a t h a n From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Rick Smith wrote: OK, and while we're at it, why is net neutral good ? I admit The terminology here is somewhat confusing. The term net neutral seems to be used to describe two unrelated ideologies (both of which are bad, IMNSHO). One is the opposite view to what ATT

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Dustin Jurman
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality I understood Charles post regarding net neutrality, that you summarized also very clearly. My point is that Net Neutrality conflicts with other laws

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Dylan Oliver
On 6/28/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it was, then it would be illegal to block hackers and criminals from using your network as well. As FON clearly has no concern for Acceptable Use Policiies, therefore illegal activity, and AUPs are clearly allowable and enforcable

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread David E. Smith
Dylan Oliver wrote: http://en.fon.com/biz/isps_friends.php. (i) have a FON Social Router or a router that is compatible with the FON Software and (ii) have a contract with an ISP that permits the FONero to share bandwidth. And how many of your customers actually read all the fine print in