Re: [WISPA] More Google news
Rick, Are these supposed to be my comments? I'm not sure who you were referring to. I can't find the article you have pasted here, if you thought that I made those comments it wasn't me ...never been down under :-) Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: RickG [mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:40 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: More Google news I find Google interesting but your comments on them are even more interesting :) Muniwireless ~~ 16 February 2010 Newsletter Google Fiber and the Future of Municipal Broadband ~~ Greetings! I was on holiday in Sydney and Melbourne last week when Google announced that it would be deploying experimental fiber networks. The announcement does not say where and when they will commence the deployments but it's great for municipalities and ISPs who want cheaper, faster broadband options in the middle mile. I was inspired to write a long commentary about what the Google fiber network could mean for free Wi-Fi in part because of my utter frustration in finding free Wi-Fi in Sydney and Melbourne. Most cafes in those cities do not open up their Wi-Fi connections and even when they do, they charge for access. I am told by tech entrepreneurs in Sydney that the local incumbent, Telstra, charges a lot for broadband and places low data caps, thereby discouraging people from sharing their connections or downloading/uploading large files. Although my article focused on Google fiber and Wi-Fi, you can extend it to municipal broadband projects, wired and wireless. Google's huge data capacity and its willingness to act as a broadband wholesaler changes the game for communities and ISPs that have had to rely on only one or two broadband providers who charge a lot of money. Read my commentary: Google Fiber and the Future of Free Wi-Fi WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More Google news
No Sir. I was just simply submitting the article to the list for comment on without reference to anything else discussed in the past. It appears your email addy was added by accident. At any rate, I apologize if anything else appeared to be implied. Of course, your comments are welcome as well. Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Rick, Are these supposed to be my comments? I'm not sure who you were referring to. I can't find the article you have pasted here, if you thought that I made those comments it wasn't me ...never been down under :-) Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: RickG [mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:40 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: More Google news I find Google interesting but your comments on them are even more interesting :) Muniwireless ~~ 16 February 2010 Newsletter Google Fiber and the Future of Municipal Broadband ~~ Greetings! I was on holiday in Sydney and Melbourne last week when Google announced that it would be deploying experimental fiber networks. The announcement does not say where and when they will commence the deployments but it's great for municipalities and ISPs who want cheaper, faster broadband options in the middle mile. I was inspired to write a long commentary about what the Google fiber network could mean for free Wi-Fi in part because of my utter frustration in finding free Wi-Fi in Sydney and Melbourne. Most cafes in those cities do not open up their Wi-Fi connections and even when they do, they charge for access. I am told by tech entrepreneurs in Sydney that the local incumbent, Telstra, charges a lot for broadband and places low data caps, thereby discouraging people from sharing their connections or downloading/uploading large files. Although my article focused on Google fiber and Wi-Fi, you can extend it to municipal broadband projects, wired and wireless. Google's huge data capacity and its willingness to act as a broadband wholesaler changes the game for communities and ISPs that have had to rely on only one or two broadband providers who charge a lot of money. Read my commentary: Google Fiber and the Future of Free Wi-Fi WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC news
Scottie, First, at only $250 to join, its impossible to get burned by joining WISPA. Thats what, 2 hours of billable labor? This year in government (and FCC) is the busiest year yet. There is no second chance, its happening now, this year, defining our future. If you are serious about protecting your future, you definately should join WISPA today, and pitch in your $250 towards the cause. There is NOTHING to loose by helping financially empowering us. But there is a lot to loose if our industries voice is not heard. But dont just rely on WISPA, WISPA is just ONE effort to make sure atleast ONE unified opinion will get heard. We need exactly what you said, we need each and every WISP to comment, and We need to educate the public. I'd argue the public could be our worst enemy, simply because the public does have influence, and the public very well might not understand our position. The truth is the average public understands how to walk into Best Buy and choose between Verizon, ATT, and Sprint. And they understand the difference between paying $20/month less or not. But there is another percent of population that does understand us. Its our client base. There is a big scare in lobbying, Its that accomplishing HALF of our goal, will hurt us more than help us. Meaning the goal is we need more spectrum. But if we ONLY win the first half of the battle of identify spectrum and make it avalable in some capacity to the industry, it simply opens up that spectrum for our competitors to buy. Giving our competitors more spectrum to compete against us. We ONLY win when we also win the second half of the battle which is to allocate more spectrum to Small Wireless ISP entreprenures.. Winning half the battle of we need help does little good, if we dont win the second half of the battle which is small local wireless ISPs need help. Right now the government understood consumers need help to get broadbnad. But they have not publically acknowledged the concept that small local WISPs need help, so consumers can be better served. Who can best serve ALL Americans? Just like some are against Big Government, I'd argue I'm against Big ISP. Big government typically fosters Big ISP. We need to change that mentality. I'd like to point out an example. Go find a small under served warehouse or office complex. Pretend to be management, and ask everyone of the tenants, we'd like to expand broadband here, who do you want us to ask to come serve the premise? How many will say Comcast? How many will say FIOS? How many will really say That small local WISP down the street? WISPs are looked at as the second best alternative. Actually not even the second best, probably the last choice next to Satelite. EVERY SINGLE DAY I work my butt off to change that perception. I should be the first choice, I deserve to be! And I bet there are a lot of WISPs that feel the same way, or they wouldn't be in this business. Until the rest of the world sees that, we will remain the underdog. So yes, I agree, we need our clients calling Congress and FCC telling them to start supporting and empowering their preferred provider, the Small local WISP, so we have the tools we need to finish the job. BUt lets not fool our selves, this is NOT an easy sell. Everyone of these people probably have 3-4 cell phones in their household, and are starting to experience the power of mobility. And they are still willing to fork out $300-400/ month to cover those phone bills. They want Cell Providers to have more spectrum, so they can have faster service, and more competition to drive the price down. If you think about it, NOT ALLOCATING any spectrum would probably be the LEAST RISK thing for WISPs. MObile carrier networks WILL get congested with only the spectrum they have now. And it really isn;t competition to WISPs because of that. But give Cell carriers 200 mhx more spectrum, and NOT give any to WISPS, and that could be devasting to our industry! What w need IN PRINT ON THE RECORD for the National broadband plan, from the FCC and Feds saying yes we get it, we need to better empower small local ISP, and give THEM the spectrum and financial help they need, Small Local provider are the cornerstone to smart successful broadband deployment, to best meet the needs of local communities. Until that happens, its a very tough situation in front of us. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC news Typical, how many can believe that these guys pushing this: The plan would involve the FCC buying spectrum back from TV folk and then auctioning it off to wireless folk make at least a $100,000 clear a year? Plus the lobbyist and what they make? We pay their salaries as American citizens! Most
Re: [WISPA] More FCC news
Typical, how many can believe that these guys pushing this: The plan would involve the FCC buying spectrum back from TV folk and then auctioning it off to wireless folk make at least a $100,000 clear a year? Plus the lobbyist and what they make? We pay their salaries as American citizens! Most of the lobbyist are employed by the duopolies such as Verizon and Comcast! They want it auctioned off, because us small providers can not afford to compete against them! It is time for WISPA, and the American people to understand this. It is up to us as individual providers to educate the simple minded people in our areas to protest this! I could be wrong, but I think WISPA could not afford to do this nationwide. I am not yet a WISPA supporter, but have thought about it many times...I have been burned before by joining another WISP group and have no desire to do that again with the promises that never came. I am not saying that I will not join WISPA. I am, although, an American entrepreneur. I, as many have you chose to play in an arena that the telecom and cable companies have a slightly unfair advantage to us in that arena when it comes to FCC decisions. It does not matter how many FCC rulings that you look up, we as WISP are always the underdog. And as this post suggest, we are still the underdogs. We had a chance with white spaces and we get the money backed big dogs against us. The American people vote these guys or girls in that support us or are against us. It is time we educate our customer base. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: John Vogel jvo...@vogent.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:49:42 -0500 I found this interesting. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/28/fcc_mulls_tv_spectrum_auction_for_broadband/ The US Federal Communications Commission is considering a plan that would reclaim some precious airwaves from the country's television broadcasters and reinvent them as wireless broadband. According to the /Wall Street Journal/ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703574604574499730302393274.html, the FCC intends to release the plan on Friday as part of an effort to ensure that there's enough wireless bandwidth for the America [/sic/] of the future. The record is very clear that we're facing a looming spectrum gap, said Blair Levin, who oversees the plan, part of a wider push to expand US broadband. The plan would involve the FCC buying spectrum back from TV folk and then auctioning it off to wireless folk. The FCC has already opened up the television white spaces as unlicensed spectrum, hoping to create a kind of WiFi on steroids http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/13/big_four_tv_networks_attack_google_microsoft_wireless_proposal/. But the new plan creates vast swathes of licensed wireless broadband, providing more bandwidth for the likes of ATT and Verizon. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news?
Well, lets hear it! I was unable to attend, even tough I really wanted! Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Nothing terribly exciting at WiMAX World WiNOG, on the other hand... grin -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Any interesting news? -Original Message- From: Adam Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:33 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Radwin 2000 Hi, Has anyone heard of or used products by Radwin (www.radwin.com)? I understand they are releasing the Radwin 2000 series of 5.x GHz point-to-point links in the US in November. The price is very attractive. My main concern is performance reliability. We can test the performance within a short period of time, but not the reliability (would need to have the link up for a while to do that). We are considering these for a critical 2 mi. link. Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news?
WiMAX World was a bunch of mobile pipedream stuff with an emphasis on in the clouds technology roadmaps, haha. What most people got out of WiNOG was the ability to speak with other operators ACTUALLY deploying 3.65 gear. Can't really describe the good parts, except for getting Redline and Aperto's full attention for 2 days instead of being attacked by 300 vendors. I think everyone in our industry is aware of the benefit of 3.65 being open spectrum and the ability for high quality service due to WiMAX's QoS capabilities. Only time will tell with which manufacturer will win your hearts but the mobile stuff that WiMAX World spoke about is not it at this point. -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Well, lets hear it! I was unable to attend, even tough I really wanted! Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Nothing terribly exciting at WiMAX World WiNOG, on the other hand... grin -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Any interesting news? -Original Message- From: Adam Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:33 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Radwin 2000 Hi, Has anyone heard of or used products by Radwin (www.radwin.com)? I understand they are releasing the Radwin 2000 series of 5.x GHz point-to-point links in the US in November. The price is very attractive. My main concern is performance reliability. We can test the performance within a short period of time, but not the reliability (would need to have the link up for a while to do that). We are considering these for a critical 2 mi. link. Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news?
WiNOG did have the Wu Wu special 2 Parts Technical Jargon 1 Part Credit Card Processing ON DISCOUNT :) Some humor for a great Wednesday afternoon -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news? WiMAX World was a bunch of mobile pipedream stuff with an emphasis on in the clouds technology roadmaps, haha. What most people got out of WiNOG was the ability to speak with other operators ACTUALLY deploying 3.65 gear. Can't really describe the good parts, except for getting Redline and Aperto's full attention for 2 days instead of being attacked by 300 vendors. I think everyone in our industry is aware of the benefit of 3.65 being open spectrum and the ability for high quality service due to WiMAX's QoS capabilities. Only time will tell with which manufacturer will win your hearts but the mobile stuff that WiMAX World spoke about is not it at this point. -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Well, lets hear it! I was unable to attend, even tough I really wanted! Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Nothing terribly exciting at WiMAX World WiNOG, on the other hand... grin -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Any interesting news? -Original Message- From: Adam Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:33 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Radwin 2000 Hi, Has anyone heard of or used products by Radwin (www.radwin.com)? I understand they are releasing the Radwin 2000 series of 5.x GHz point-to-point links in the US in November. The price is very attractive. My main concern is performance reliability. We can test the performance within a short period of time, but not the reliability (would need to have the link up for a while to do that). We are considering these for a critical 2 mi. link. Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news?
THE STREET.COM Baltimore's WiMax Network an Early Winner 10/08/08 - 03:43 PM EDT Gary Krakow BALTIMORE -- Forget about 3G -- that's the past. It's now time to consider 4G wireless networks, especially the kind announced here in on Wednesday. Sprint(S Quote - Cramer on S - Stock Picks) and partners Intel(INTC Quote - Cramer on INTC - Stock Picks), Samsung, Motorola(MOT Quote - Cramer on MOT - Stock Picks), Nokia(NOK Quote - Cramer on NOK - Stock Picks), Nokia Siemens Networks, ZTE and ZyXEL, along with computer makers Acer, Asus, Dell(DELL Quote - Cramer on DELL - Stock Picks), Lenovo, Panasonic, Sony(SNE Quote - Cramer on SNE - Stock Picks) and Toshiba officially inaugurated the world's first 4G network called Xohm (pronounced Zome). It runs on a new technology called WiMax. The event was self-congratulatory, with a lot of patting each other on the back and saying how amazing it was to get a 4G network up and running before anyone else could. I'll give them that. But the companies also admitted that Baltimore, their first rollout city, was not 100% complete. It's more like 75% complete -- with what were termed bubbles where the WiMAX signal didn't perform at its best. Xohm Chief Technical Officer Barry West said that was OK, and that they would soon fill in all the holes. He added that Baltimore was chosen first because its layout and the harbors provided a challenge to his engineers. Wait until he tries New York! After all the ceremonial ribbon-cutting, everyone was allowed to road-test the service -- figuratively and literally. We hopped inside a minivan to get an idea at how well the new 4G service works. We were driven around Baltimore's Inner Harbor while downloading files, watching videos and surfing the Web. What we saw was very impressive -- we're talking downloads as fast as 5,557 kilobits per second and 1,702 kilobits kbps for uploads. It was even faster in the simulated home-use setup we were shown. Previous rumors had suggested there were indoor reception problems for WiMax. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news? WiNOG did have the Wu Wu special 2 Parts Technical Jargon 1 Part Credit Card Processing ON DISCOUNT :) Some humor for a great Wednesday afternoon -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news? WiMAX World was a bunch of mobile pipedream stuff with an emphasis on in the clouds technology roadmaps, haha. What most people got out of WiNOG was the ability to speak with other operators ACTUALLY deploying 3.65 gear. Can't really describe the good parts, except for getting Redline and Aperto's full attention for 2 days instead of being attacked by 300 vendors. I think everyone in our industry is aware of the benefit of 3.65 being open spectrum and the ability for high quality service due to WiMAX's QoS capabilities. Only time will tell with which manufacturer will win your hearts but the mobile stuff that WiMAX World spoke about is not it at this point. -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Well, lets hear it! I was unable to attend, even tough I really wanted! Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Nothing terribly exciting at WiMAX World WiNOG, on the other hand... grin -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Any interesting news? -Original Message- From: Adam Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:33 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Radwin 2000 Hi, Has anyone heard of or used products by Radwin (www.radwin.com)? I understand they are releasing the Radwin 2000 series of 5.x GHz point-to-point links in the US in November. The price is very attractive. My main concern is performance reliability. We can test the performance within a short period of time, but not the reliability
Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news?
Jeff, Hit me offlist. I would like to continue our talk about the CC processing. Thanks! John On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Jeff Ehman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WiNOG did have the Wu Wu special 2 Parts Technical Jargon 1 Part Credit Card Processing ON DISCOUNT :) Some humor for a great Wednesday afternoon -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news? WiMAX World was a bunch of mobile pipedream stuff with an emphasis on in the clouds technology roadmaps, haha. What most people got out of WiNOG was the ability to speak with other operators ACTUALLY deploying 3.65 gear. Can't really describe the good parts, except for getting Redline and Aperto's full attention for 2 days instead of being attacked by 300 vendors. I think everyone in our industry is aware of the benefit of 3.65 being open spectrum and the ability for high quality service due to WiMAX's QoS capabilities. Only time will tell with which manufacturer will win your hearts but the mobile stuff that WiMAX World spoke about is not it at this point. -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Well, lets hear it! I was unable to attend, even tough I really wanted! Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Nothing terribly exciting at WiMAX World WiNOG, on the other hand... grin -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Any interesting news? -Original Message- From: Adam Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:33 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Radwin 2000 Hi, Has anyone heard of or used products by Radwin (www.radwin.com)? I understand they are releasing the Radwin 2000 series of 5.x GHz point-to-point links in the US in November. The price is very attractive. My main concern is performance reliability. We can test the performance within a short period of time, but not the reliability (would need to have the link up for a while to do that). We are considering these for a critical 2 mi. link. Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news?
Nothing terribly exciting at WiMAX World WiNOG, on the other hand... grin -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Any interesting news? -Original Message- From: Adam Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:33 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Radwin 2000 Hi, Has anyone heard of or used products by Radwin (www.radwin.com)? I understand they are releasing the Radwin 2000 series of 5.x GHz point-to-point links in the US in November. The price is very attractive. My main concern is performance reliability. We can test the performance within a short period of time, but not the reliability (would need to have the link up for a while to do that). We are considering these for a critical 2 mi. link. Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
If the 10 % didn't know what their usage patterns were I probably wouldn't implement this cap. I have a many that download between 3 - 10 GB per day. A couple that upload half that. One sells the blueray discs he burns at the local plant site where he works. He's at 10GB plus daily. Sure the I didn't know will come up and I'll deal with those, but I either unload the customers or make money servicing them. 60% don't go above 5 GB in month and another 20% never hit 10GB. It's the ones that regularly use 25-250 GB that I need to do something about. We put our cap at 50GB for basic charges. That covers all but 5% of my customers today. We will be notifying customers when they hit half their alloted bits in any given month. I don't expect 90% will ever see a notification. I don't necessarily agree with the premise that they don't know what's going on. A few sure. But what percentage of customer have leaky lines and get a big bill from the water company? And, because I see their traffic regularly, I will know who's got an issue and notify them. When was the last time a provider of any kind told you were going beyond your normal usage? Water, electric, cell, anyone? Dave Jonathan Schmidt wrote: With byte cap tiers (the majority of deployment plans outside of the US, by the way) the most likely leak are the youngsters on the home computer network. The solution to leak shock is communication...well before the limit is reached if it is climbing rapidly and at, for example, 75% and 100%. The same thing should hold true with cell phone SMS shock ...my good friend's teenage daughter engages in 3,000 to 4,000 text messages a month. They quickly switched to a plan that could economically support that. The communications on the cell phone was the next monthly bill but ISPs can communicate immediately to their subscribers in the event that a leak shock appears to be imminent. That can head off Larry's correct assertion that the customer will claim that the fault is elsewhere. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality I got a water bill last month for $210 and wasn't angry. My bill the month before was only $30 dollars. I knew what 25,000 gallons of water to fill my pool was going to cost me. The problem with that analogy is two fold: (1) you can physically see 25,000 gallons of water that you intentionally put in your pool whereas you cannot see the 25Gigs of data that has been downloaded from your laptop when you download a P2P client and that client software automatically enables sharing. (2) you are presuming that someone INTENTIONALLY CAUSED THE INCREASED USAGE. My wife works for the local village and she frequently takes calls from local citizens who have complaints about their water bills. Most customers who call in to complain, have something broken that caused the excessive water charges. For instance, they might have a toilet that won't stop running. Similar circumstances occur in the internet world when a P2P program automatically shares data with the world OR when a virus evades your computer and spews volumes of data worthless data out to the net. Bottom line.. if you institute bit caps be ready for a barrage of excuses as to why it wasn't your customer's fault and why you need to reset the meter. - Larry -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 6:55 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
I stopped tracking individual use... But my average has remained the same since after my first year... 7 gigs per customer. Summer use is a little more, winter is less.I do keep track of the number of gigs. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: David Hulsebus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality If the 10 % didn't know what their usage patterns were I probably wouldn't implement this cap. I have a many that download between 3 - 10 GB per day. A couple that upload half that. One sells the blueray discs he burns at the local plant site where he works. He's at 10GB plus daily. Sure the I didn't know will come up and I'll deal with those, but I either unload the customers or make money servicing them. 60% don't go above 5 GB in month and another 20% never hit 10GB. It's the ones that regularly use 25-250 GB that I need to do something about. We put our cap at 50GB for basic charges. That covers all but 5% of my customers today. We will be notifying customers when they hit half their alloted bits in any given month. I don't expect 90% will ever see a notification. I don't necessarily agree with the premise that they don't know what's going on. A few sure. But what percentage of customer have leaky lines and get a big bill from the water company? And, because I see their traffic regularly, I will know who's got an issue and notify them. When was the last time a provider of any kind told you were going beyond your normal usage? Water, electric, cell, anyone? Dave Jonathan Schmidt wrote: With byte cap tiers (the majority of deployment plans outside of the US, by the way) the most likely leak are the youngsters on the home computer network. The solution to leak shock is communication...well before the limit is reached if it is climbing rapidly and at, for example, 75% and 100%. The same thing should hold true with cell phone SMS shock ...my good friend's teenage daughter engages in 3,000 to 4,000 text messages a month. They quickly switched to a plan that could economically support that. The communications on the cell phone was the next monthly bill but ISPs can communicate immediately to their subscribers in the event that a leak shock appears to be imminent. That can head off Larry's correct assertion that the customer will claim that the fault is elsewhere. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality I got a water bill last month for $210 and wasn't angry. My bill the month before was only $30 dollars. I knew what 25,000 gallons of water to fill my pool was going to cost me. The problem with that analogy is two fold: (1) you can physically see 25,000 gallons of water that you intentionally put in your pool whereas you cannot see the 25Gigs of data that has been downloaded from your laptop when you download a P2P client and that client software automatically enables sharing. (2) you are presuming that someone INTENTIONALLY CAUSED THE INCREASED USAGE. My wife works for the local village and she frequently takes calls from local citizens who have complaints about their water bills. Most customers who call in to complain, have something broken that caused the excessive water charges. For instance, they might have a toilet that won't stop running. Similar circumstances occur in the internet world when a P2P program automatically shares data with the world OR when a virus evades your computer and spews volumes of data worthless data out to the net. Bottom line.. if you institute bit caps be ready for a barrage of excuses as to why it wasn't your customer's fault and why you need to reset the meter. - Larry -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 6:55 AM
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
Well, what you have to do is include a number of gigs that cover typical and slightly above typical usage. Structure it so only power users or P2P users would top that usage. For some new projects I'm working on, I'm considering a 50 gig package for $50/month. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality More on this...Many of us have not already implemented this because of our competition from cable and dsl. Same for me! I think the the FCC has finally provided ALL broadband providers a reason to implemente this(as we can't control traffic) although it will be a major blow to the U.S. broadband penetration. I know I have been waiting for it since 2002. Let the NEW games begin! Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:04 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality Yet anither reason us (WISP) and all Cable and DSL(telcos) will go to a usage based systemno more all you can eat. I am not sure, but I bet they (FCC) have no control on us in that circumstance. Just my 1 pence. Scottie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:37 AM To: 'WISPA General List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality It looks like the FCC now has the votes necessary to sanction Comcast for its P2P throttling. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-oppos es-comcast-p2p-throttling.html It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
Yet anither reason us (WISP) and all Cable and DSL(telcos) will go to a usage based systemno more all you can eat. I am not sure, but I bet they (FCC) have no control on us in that circumstance. I would have to disagree. It would appear that in this case, the FCC would be treating an internet provider similar to a cable-tv provider. I think that the FCC could rely on it's holding in Turner Broadcasting System v. FCC to support it's need to interfere with internet provider's freedom to contract. In Turner, the court held that it has an independent interest in preserving a multiplicity of broadcasters. It would seem that it is following that same tenor when it is forcing internet providers to allow equal footing for all services. I personally don't agree with this notion, I think that a greater harm will flow because the number of potential internet providers could be reduced from such drastic measures or in the alternative the cost of internet services could skyrocket due to bit-caps. Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
I definitely do not agree with what thay are doing to Comcast, except that Comcast right out lied about it. The FCC should not be allowed to tell me how I run my network. If they are going to do that, then they may as well make internet regulated and make internet tariff's. I think the FCC would LOVE to regulate the internet(which they already do in some respects), but Congress keeps shooting it down. If people do not like that I limit p2p, they do have another choice in another ISP, it is not like I am forcing something on them that they HAVE to take. The underlying problem I see with it is that p2p uses a ton of connections, which most wireless equipment does not handle well. Cable and DSL seem to not have as much of a problem with it except for the bandwidth usage it creates. If I am not allowed to control my network, then I see no other alternative but to go to a usage based model and I think cable and dsl will also. ATT has already sent emails to some of their customers saying they are going to that model and Time Warner is experimenting with that model in Texas. I am in a rural area and bandwidth is not cheap here. I pay over $400/meg. I have about %20 of my customers using the most bandwidth with bittorrents and gnutella. I do not block these, but I severly limit their transfer speeds and connections. If the FCC goes through with this, what next. They will telling me that I can't limit it here. The RIAA and MPAA would have a field day is this area. The people do not understand what they are doing is illegal...they think that if it is there then there is nothing wrong with getting it. From a business standpoint, I do not see why everyone is so against a usage based system? Scottie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality Yet anither reason us (WISP) and all Cable and DSL(telcos) will go to a usage based systemno more all you can eat. I am not sure, but I bet they (FCC) have no control on us in that circumstance. I would have to disagree. It would appear that in this case, the FCC would be treating an internet provider similar to a cable-tv provider. I think that the FCC could rely on it's holding in Turner Broadcasting System v. FCC to support it's need to interfere with internet provider's freedom to contract. In Turner, the court held that it has an independent interest in preserving a multiplicity of broadcasters. It would seem that it is following that same tenor when it is forcing internet providers to allow equal footing for all services. I personally don't agree with this notion, I think that a greater harm will flow because the number of potential internet providers could be reduced from such drastic measures or in the alternative the cost of internet services could skyrocket due to bit-caps. Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
We have one very large customer that uses 60 gig per month. They pay the same price for that that they would for a t-1 in this area. $350 per month. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality Well, what you have to do is include a number of gigs that cover typical and slightly above typical usage. Structure it so only power users or P2P users would top that usage. For some new projects I'm working on, I'm considering a 50 gig package for $50/month. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality More on this...Many of us have not already implemented this because of our competition from cable and dsl. Same for me! I think the the FCC has finally provided ALL broadband providers a reason to implemente this(as we can't control traffic) although it will be a major blow to the U.S. broadband penetration. I know I have been waiting for it since 2002. Let the NEW games begin! Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:04 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality Yet anither reason us (WISP) and all Cable and DSL(telcos) will go to a usage based systemno more all you can eat. I am not sure, but I bet they (FCC) have no control on us in that circumstance. Just my 1 pence. Scottie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:37 AM To: 'WISPA General List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality It looks like the FCC now has the votes necessary to sanction Comcast for its P2P throttling. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-oppos es-comcast-p2p-throttling.html It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
usage based means tiers of prices... No matter what you tell people or how you warn them, if your bill this month is $100 and last month it was $25, they WILL BE ANGRY. Further, automating systems to bill per gig is kind of a pain. The answer, then, I guess is... convenience. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality From a business standpoint, I do not see why everyone is so against a usage based system? Scottie WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
usage based means tiers of prices... No matter what you tell people or how you warn them, if your bill this month is $100 and last month it was $25, they WILL BE ANGRY. Further, automating systems to bill per gig is kind of a pain. The answer, then, I guess is... convenience. We were looking at throttling the over quotta users at peak times based on a 7-day window of usage. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
I got a water bill last month for $210 and wasn't angry. My bill the month before was only $30 dollars. I knew what 25,000 gallons of water to fill my pool was going to cost me. I have 60 customers that I loose money on every month. I can afford the implementation for what I will gain in revenue or gain back in profitability; so I'm moving in that direction. 70 % of my customers said they would prefer it. I expect that when it's implemented more like 90 % will like it and the other 10 % can pay for what they really want - 24 X 7 usage of large amounts of bandwidth or not. I either need to make money on the account or not have it. I'm not a charity and not subsidized to provide it at a loss. Dave Hulsebus Matt wrote: usage based means tiers of prices... No matter what you tell people or how you warn them, if your bill this month is $100 and last month it was $25, they WILL BE ANGRY. Further, automating systems to bill per gig is kind of a pain. The answer, then, I guess is... convenience. We were looking at throttling the over quotta users at peak times based on a 7-day window of usage. Matt No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
I got a water bill last month for $210 and wasn't angry. My bill the month before was only $30 dollars. I knew what 25,000 gallons of water to fill my pool was going to cost me. The problem with that analogy is two fold: (1) you can physically see 25,000 gallons of water that you intentionally put in your pool whereas you cannot see the 25Gigs of data that has been downloaded from your laptop when you download a P2P client and that client software automatically enables sharing. (2) you are presuming that someone INTENTIONALLY CAUSED THE INCREASED USAGE. My wife works for the local village and she frequently takes calls from local citizens who have complaints about their water bills. Most customers who call in to complain, have something broken that caused the excessive water charges. For instance, they might have a toilet that won't stop running. Similar circumstances occur in the internet world when a P2P program automatically shares data with the world OR when a virus evades your computer and spews volumes of data worthless data out to the net. Bottom line.. if you institute bit caps be ready for a barrage of excuses as to why it wasn't your customer's fault and why you need to reset the meter. - Larry WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
With byte cap tiers (the majority of deployment plans outside of the US, by the way) the most likely leak are the youngsters on the home computer network. The solution to leak shock is communication...well before the limit is reached if it is climbing rapidly and at, for example, 75% and 100%. The same thing should hold true with cell phone SMS shock ...my good friend's teenage daughter engages in 3,000 to 4,000 text messages a month. They quickly switched to a plan that could economically support that. The communications on the cell phone was the next monthly bill but ISPs can communicate immediately to their subscribers in the event that a leak shock appears to be imminent. That can head off Larry's correct assertion that the customer will claim that the fault is elsewhere. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality I got a water bill last month for $210 and wasn't angry. My bill the month before was only $30 dollars. I knew what 25,000 gallons of water to fill my pool was going to cost me. The problem with that analogy is two fold: (1) you can physically see 25,000 gallons of water that you intentionally put in your pool whereas you cannot see the 25Gigs of data that has been downloaded from your laptop when you download a P2P client and that client software automatically enables sharing. (2) you are presuming that someone INTENTIONALLY CAUSED THE INCREASED USAGE. My wife works for the local village and she frequently takes calls from local citizens who have complaints about their water bills. Most customers who call in to complain, have something broken that caused the excessive water charges. For instance, they might have a toilet that won't stop running. Similar circumstances occur in the internet world when a P2P program automatically shares data with the world OR when a virus evades your computer and spews volumes of data worthless data out to the net. Bottom line.. if you institute bit caps be ready for a barrage of excuses as to why it wasn't your customer's fault and why you need to reset the meter. - Larry -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
Could have a program or site that shows current usage and encourage they monitor it... or email them an alert when it appears they'll pass their allowance. Maybe an ntop page that breaks down types of usage. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality I got a water bill last month for $210 and wasn't angry. My bill the month before was only $30 dollars. I knew what 25,000 gallons of water to fill my pool was going to cost me. The problem with that analogy is two fold: (1) you can physically see 25,000 gallons of water that you intentionally put in your pool whereas you cannot see the 25Gigs of data that has been downloaded from your laptop when you download a P2P client and that client software automatically enables sharing. (2) you are presuming that someone INTENTIONALLY CAUSED THE INCREASED USAGE. My wife works for the local village and she frequently takes calls from local citizens who have complaints about their water bills. Most customers who call in to complain, have something broken that caused the excessive water charges. For instance, they might have a toilet that won't stop running. Similar circumstances occur in the internet world when a P2P program automatically shares data with the world OR when a virus evades your computer and spews volumes of data worthless data out to the net. Bottom line.. if you institute bit caps be ready for a barrage of excuses as to why it wasn't your customer's fault and why you need to reset the meter. - Larry WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
The differences is... The consumer can see the pool full of water, as it fills. The consumer can't see the bit-torrent traffic as it fills their usage budget. Or for that matter, they can't see their bandwidth usage pool filling with any type of traffic. There is no perception of traffic size, when the content probvider has the freedom to deliver it in any capacity. a Bitmap can be 5mb or 5kb, the vioewer would never know the difference when they clicked the URL to get to the page. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David Hulsebus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality I got a water bill last month for $210 and wasn't angry. My bill the month before was only $30 dollars. I knew what 25,000 gallons of water to fill my pool was going to cost me. I have 60 customers that I loose money on every month. I can afford the implementation for what I will gain in revenue or gain back in profitability; so I'm moving in that direction. 70 % of my customers said they would prefer it. I expect that when it's implemented more like 90 % will like it and the other 10 % can pay for what they really want - 24 X 7 usage of large amounts of bandwidth or not. I either need to make money on the account or not have it. I'm not a charity and not subsidized to provide it at a loss. Dave Hulsebus Matt wrote: usage based means tiers of prices... No matter what you tell people or how you warn them, if your bill this month is $100 and last month it was $25, they WILL BE ANGRY. Further, automating systems to bill per gig is kind of a pain. The answer, then, I guess is... convenience. We were looking at throttling the over quotta users at peak times based on a 7-day window of usage. Matt No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
Bow to the east each morning and recite... Oh great Father in Washington, thou knowest all, divinest all, we are unworthy to have thy great protection and wisdom... Or, we could start telling the FCC they're full of it... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:36 AM Subject: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality It looks like the FCC now has the votes necessary to sanction Comcast for its P2P throttling. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-oppos es-comcast-p2p-throttling.html It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. I agree. Will this also mean that we will no longer be allowed to block ports like 80 and 25? What about ports 135-139 which actually are blocked to prevent viruses and enhance security many times? What about web proxies? Very disturbing. Next they will ban bandwidth quottas. Just wait. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
I have said this over and over in various forums: Throttling/shaping on a per-application basis is not a good idea. Bandwidth caps and pay-per-bit are the correct way to handle bandwidth hogs. The FCC doesn't care how you limit, as long as you apply it equally to all bandwidth types. I believe the FCC's position is simple: If you are a internet provider, you have to carry all types of traffic indiscriminately. The FCC is *not* going to prevent blockage of ports and other limiting for legitimate network management reasons. Preventing the use of bandwidth hog applications to fix your broken price model and resulting inadequate network is not going to be considered a valid reason for blocking or limiting one service over another. Responding to a virus attack, or preventing spam or similar are valid reasons for performing at least temporary blocking. But if your blocking gets in the way of a legitimate application, you need to be prepared to resolve any issues that come up. All the FCC cares about is that the ISP's don't get to prevent a legitimate application from operating across their network. A good example would be the widespread port 25 blocking which occurs. It doesn't prevent legitimate mail from flowing (it is easy to configure around), but it does prevent spammers from using a network to spew mail out to the world. -forrest Larry Yunker wrote: It looks like the FCC now has the votes necessary to sanction Comcast for its P2P throttling. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-oppos es-comcast-p2p-throttling.html It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
I don't think there is an issue if you fully disclose to your customer exactly what you are doing. If you tell the customer that you do your very best to kill or impair bittorrent then they have the choice of continuing with your or going somewhere else. Comcast originally got pinched for not telling folks. I hope that full disclosure allows us to content to do as we wish. - Original Message - From: Forrest W. Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality I have said this over and over in various forums: Throttling/shaping on a per-application basis is not a good idea. Bandwidth caps and pay-per-bit are the correct way to handle bandwidth hogs. The FCC doesn't care how you limit, as long as you apply it equally to all bandwidth types. I believe the FCC's position is simple: If you are a internet provider, you have to carry all types of traffic indiscriminately. The FCC is *not* going to prevent blockage of ports and other limiting for legitimate network management reasons. Preventing the use of bandwidth hog applications to fix your broken price model and resulting inadequate network is not going to be considered a valid reason for blocking or limiting one service over another. Responding to a virus attack, or preventing spam or similar are valid reasons for performing at least temporary blocking. But if your blocking gets in the way of a legitimate application, you need to be prepared to resolve any issues that come up. All the FCC cares about is that the ISP's don't get to prevent a legitimate application from operating across their network. A good example would be the widespread port 25 blocking which occurs. It doesn't prevent legitimate mail from flowing (it is easy to configure around), but it does prevent spammers from using a network to spew mail out to the world. -forrest Larry Yunker wrote: It looks like the FCC now has the votes necessary to sanction Comcast for its P2P throttling. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-oppos es-comcast-p2p-throttling.html It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
This whole thing makes me wounder... What about when it is spelled out to the user before they sign up? I inform all users that we reserve the right to limit traffic, especially peer to peer traffic. I also tell them that we do not support or recommend VoIP services. They are welcome to try them, but our system was not designed for them and we will not promise if or how well they will work on our residential or light commercial circuits. This is not hidden in a page of fine print. It is spelled out, in person, before the install is done. Every user on my network was informed of this. What will it mean to me? we Forrest W. Christian wrote: I have said this over and over in various forums: Throttling/shaping on a per-application basis is not a good idea. Bandwidth caps and pay-per-bit are the correct way to handle bandwidth hogs. The FCC doesn't care how you limit, as long as you apply it equally to all bandwidth types. I believe the FCC's position is simple: If you are a internet provider, you have to carry all types of traffic indiscriminately. The FCC is *not* going to prevent blockage of ports and other limiting for legitimate network management reasons. Preventing the use of "bandwidth hog" applications to fix your broken price model and resulting inadequate network is not going to be considered a valid reason for blocking or limiting one service over another. Responding to a virus attack, or preventing spam or similar are valid reasons for performing at least temporary blocking. But if your blocking gets in the way of a legitimate application, you need to be prepared to resolve any issues that come up. All the FCC cares about is that the ISP's don't get to prevent a legitimate application from operating across their network. A good example would be the widespread port 25 blocking which occurs. It doesn't prevent legitimate mail from flowing (it is easy to configure around), but it does prevent spammers from using a network to spew mail out to the world. -forrest Larry Yunker wrote: It looks like the FCC now has the votes necessary to sanction Comcast for its P2P throttling. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-oppos es-comcast-p2p-throttling.html It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
Yet anither reason us (WISP) and all Cable and DSL(telcos) will go to a usage based systemno more all you can eat. I am not sure, but I bet they (FCC) have no control on us in that circumstance. Just my 1 pence. Scottie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:37 AM To: 'WISPA General List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality It looks like the FCC now has the votes necessary to sanction Comcast for its P2P throttling. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-oppos es-comcast-p2p-throttling.html It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
Blair, I do the same thing. Whenever we do an install we tell them before we do it that we throttle ptp traffic. Wonder how this will play out as we are a all-you-can eat buffet except that we fully disclose ptp trafficking and I am wanting to change to a usage based model. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 6:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality This whole thing makes me wounder... What about when it is spelled out to the user before they sign up? I inform all users that we reserve the right to limit traffic, especially peer to peer traffic. I also tell them that we do not support or recommend VoIP services. They are welcome to try them, but our system was not designed for them and we will not promise if or how well they will work on our residential or light commercial circuits. This is not hidden in a page of fine print. It is spelled out, in person, before the install is done. Every user on my network was informed of this. What will it mean to me? we Forrest W. Christian wrote: I have said this over and over in various forums: Throttling/shaping on a per-application basis is not a good idea. Bandwidth caps and pay-per-bit are the correct way to handle bandwidth hogs. The FCC doesn't care how you limit, as long as you apply it equally to all bandwidth types. I believe the FCC's position is simple: If you are a internet provider, you have to carry all types of traffic indiscriminately. The FCC is *not* going to prevent blockage of ports and other limiting for legitimate network management reasons. Preventing the use of bandwidth hog applications to fix your broken price model and resulting inadequate network is not going to be considered a valid reason for blocking or limiting one service over another. Responding to a virus attack, or preventing spam or similar are valid reasons for performing at least temporary blocking. But if your blocking gets in the way of a legitimate application, you need to be prepared to resolve any issues that come up. All the FCC cares about is that the ISP's don't get to prevent a legitimate application from operating across their network. A good example would be the widespread port 25 blocking which occurs. It doesn't prevent legitimate mail from flowing (it is easy to configure around), but it does prevent spammers from using a network to spew mail out to the world. -forrest Larry Yunker wrote: It looks like the FCC now has the votes necessary to sanction Comcast for its P2P throttling. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-oppos es-comcast-p2p-throttling.html It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
More on this...Many of us have not already implemented this because of our competition from cable and dsl. Same for me! I think the the FCC has finally provided ALL broadband providers a reason to implemente this(as we can't control traffic) although it will be a major blow to the U.S. broadband penetration. I know I have been waiting for it since 2002. Let the NEW games begin! Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:04 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality Yet anither reason us (WISP) and all Cable and DSL(telcos) will go to a usage based systemno more all you can eat. I am not sure, but I bet they (FCC) have no control on us in that circumstance. Just my 1 pence. Scottie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:37 AM To: 'WISPA General List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality It looks like the FCC now has the votes necessary to sanction Comcast for its P2P throttling. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-oppos es-comcast-p2p-throttling.html It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BreezeACCESS VL news - 750% VoIP improvement
Can you give more details on the versions that require a license key? What will they cost? What features will they have specifically? What is FIPS 197? Could this FIPS 197 service allow for service to medical facilities also? I would like to be able to approach the hospitals, doctor's offices, clinics, etc. and let them know I can build them compliant secured wireless offerings for their data over my wireless network. Could this do that? What about financial data? Banks? Thanks, Scriv Patrick Leary wrote: Si I may have mentioned this briefly in passing, but version 4.0 for BreezeACCESS VL and BreezeACCESS 4900 will be commercially launched in the U.S. and Canada on July 3rd. Version 4.0 is the most major firmware re-write ever done on VL and it was specifically created to produce massive VoIP benefits for those operators wanting to a VoIP play along side of the data. It also can be used to for major video gains as well. With this re-write we enabled VoIP QoS that results in over MOS 4 (toll quality) voice performance while massively increasing the number of calls to 288 calls per sector (G.711 CODEC). The previous BreezeACCESS VL version had a MOS of 3.74 and 40 calls per sector. This specific feature, called MAP (multimedia application prioritization, also called WLP - wireless link prioritization), will be available in a license key and only those wanting to do VoIP will need it. Another key that will be offered with 4.0 is for FIPS 197. Only those needing that will need to get the key (i.e. those doing federal business). The license key is already included in BreezeACCESS 4900 versions. All other benefits of 4.0 are part of the free upgrade. Free features part of the upgrade features include: - packets per second to over 40,000 pps (compare to another popular 5GHz product that has a pps limit of 1,800 pps) - a configurable lost beacon threshold for improved performance in high interference environments - automatic channel size selection (CPE side) for auto find of either 10MHz or 20MHz with 5MHz steps - simpler and faster best AU mode - automatic AU TX power shutdown if Ethernet link disconnects triggering CPE to sync with next best AU - low priority traffic starvation prevention when demand is high for priority traffic - support of 802.3 QinQ VLAN for secured transport of users' VLAN inside operator's VLANs - call admission control (dynamic resource allocation protocol - DRAP) with Alvarion gateways used with the VL (and BreezeMAX) CPEs The full benefits of the version 4.0 upgrade can be fully realized with all rev C and rev D hardware versions. Let us know if you have questions. Patrick Leary AVP Marketing Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Great news! We now have two unlicensed bills in the senate.]
This is great news. In looking at some info about the bills, I am wondering if want to ask for some of the whitespace to be made quasi-licensed, not unlicensed. I would love to have some channels that I know will not be used by anyone within 50 miles of where I use them. Not sure what it needs to be, but I would like some assurance that there will not be SOHO routers, etc. on every available channel. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:12:04 -0600 Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Great news! We now have two unlicensed bills in the senate.] Thank you, all of you, who worked with WISPA to get those comments on the 04-186 issue. We all owe a special thanks to our new friend Frannie Wellings at Free Press also. She has been absolutely key in helping make this issue appear on the legislative radar. The dream may actually come true here guys. Please read this in its entirety. I will likely be calling on you again soon as this issue gains steam. Kindest regards, John Scrivner Original Message Subject: Great news! We now have two unlicensed bills in the senate. Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:48:36 -0500 From: Frannie Wellings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi John, We've had some positive developments in the Senate and I thought you and all of the wonderful folks from the WISP community who called and e-mailed their senators would want to know. On Friday, February 17th, two bills were introduced in the Senate that would help to open the white spaces. Both bills direct the Federal Communications Commission to move quickly to free-up the empty broadcast channels for unlicensed use so that they can be used for wireless broadband. Senators George Allen (R-VA), John Kerry (D-MA), John Sununu (R-NH) and Barbara Boxer (D-CA) introduced a bi-partisan bill entitled the Wireless Innovation Act of 2006 (WINN Act). Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Ted Stevens (R-AK) introduced the American Broadband for Communities Act (ABC Act). The two bills are very similar and ideally the Senators will join together behind one bill. We're so lucky to have five senators taking action here and expect more to sign on. This is really an important step and the input from the WISP community has been remarkably valuable. Please thank everyone who took the time to get involved. They should be encouraged that their calls matter and they really should know that their comments in the 04-186 docket are really key. I'm so glad that so many WISPs submitted comments. I might be coming back to you soon asking for the WISPs to call their senators in support of unlicensed spectrum as we see what happens with the two bills. Hopefully they will join into one bill then we have to get that bill passed in the Commerce Committee and then the full Senate. Thanks again for all of your help. Best, Frannie P.S. - Here are some statements from the Senators... Senator Kerry has been an important leader on this issue, working hard to introduce legislation to open the white spaces. He said of the legislation, Instead of just talking about it, we need to make affordable broadband a reality everywhere Making this technology available in all corners of our country is good for our families, demonstrates the spirit of American innovation and promotes our success in the global economy. Senator Allen said of the WINN Act, This legislation will enable entrepreneurs to provide affordable, competitive high-speed wireless broadband services in areas that otherwise have no connectivity to broadband Internet. Senator Stevens, the chairman of the key committee, stated: Allowing unlicensed operations in the broadcast band could play a significant role in bringing wireless broadband and home networking to more of our citizens by lowering costs, particularly in Alaska where connectivity is so important due to our remoteness. --- End of Original Message --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: smartBridges News- American Road Shows
Title: smartBridges American Road Shows Thanks, Marlon. Somebody should tellsmartBridges to put Ottawa, Silicon Valley NORTH, and the hub of anything wireless, on their travel list. Heck, I will even help them coordinate it! Linda Linda PondPresidentCustomer Connects"Bridging Technology Relationships"www.customerconnects.com613-253-0240 (w)613-291-2884 (c) - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:31 AM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: smartBridges News- American Road Shows Here's a chance for some training if anyone wants to go. laters, Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: simplyFi - a smartBridges Newsletter To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:24 AM Subject: smartBridges News- American Road Shows Press Release: smartBridges American Road Shows October 5 - November 9, 2005 Be the first to learn about smartBridges' latest line of products - the Intelligent Nexus and Nexus PRO backhauls, access points and client devices. smartBridges will be conducting an extensive series of trainings and seminars with its North American partners throughout October to November. The road shows will span the entire continent and cover 10 cities in the US and Canada. Get training in deploying high performance Wi-Fi networks for multiple applications such as VoIP, video and security surveillance. Meet our technical experts who will be at hand to answer all your questions and mingle with other wireless networking professionals, system integrators and distributors. Highlights of the shows include: Understanding the broadband wireless market Introduction to the Intelligent Nexus Platform Real-world Customer Success Stories Hands-on product demonstrations including live configuration by participants Dont miss the exclusive promotions offered only to attendees and the chance to personally experience the cutting edge features of the Nexus Platform! American Road shows Itinerary Date Location Partner October 5 Denver, CO Electro-Comm October 6 Des Moines, IA Electro-Comm October 12 Montreal, Canada Binary-Solutions October 13 Toronto, Canada Binary-Solutions October 26 New York City, NY Electro-Comm October 27 Baltimore, MD Electro-Comm November 2 Kansas City, KS Electro-Comm November 3 Dallas, TX Electro-Comm November 8 Chicago, IL WAV November 9 San Diego, CA Electro-Comm Attendance is free and lunch will be provided. Registration is required and there will be a charge of USD 50 for nonattendance. To register, please click here. For more information on
Re: [WISPA] In the News.
Yes, I find that interesting as well. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 4:33 PM Subject: [WISPA] In the News. All, I thought this was pretty interesting when I read it. http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_viewnewsId=20050829005365newsLang=en Thanks, Dawn -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 8/26/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] In the News.
Its tough to be a karlnet operator these days, the borg has stopped production on existing hardware and forcing operators to use different hardware (which is a lot more expensive and frankly not worth it) ie: kn-250 board - mini-pci replacement for the kn-205 pcmcia, old price $160 - new boards are $300 and the software for the mini-pci is $700 Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] In the News. Rick doesn't like Torinokarlproxibeamasaurus right now. I am guessing he is not alone. :-) Scriv Dan Metcalf wrote: Rick, No comment? Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] In the News. NO COMMENT! :P It is not worth my time. Rick Harnish OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 3:34 PM To: WISPA General List; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Subject: [WISPA] In the News. All, I thought this was pretty interesting when I read it. http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_vie wnewsId=20050829005365newsLang=en Thanks, Dawn -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 08/26/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 08/26/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 08/26/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
