Re: [WISPA] NTIA reporting limit of 25Mbps for wireless networks
Thanks Brian, I knew you'd have a good answer :-)
Sean
On Monday, August 26, 2013, Brian Webster wrote:
He is incorrect.
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The error check tool we states have to run will throw an error and the
state has to make an exception record entry in to their submitted
documentation but it does not prohibit any state from submitting data for
fixed wireless carriers above 25 meg. I have done this for Illinois in the
past. This is a common argument I have with the NTIA as they do not seem to
keep up with the technology advancements in the fixed wireless world and
thus their error check tool always seems to lag based on speeds reported.
They have been limiting what MOBILE wireless carriers are allowed to report
but that has been based upon the massive difference in claims of speed vs.
the speed test data they have been gathering from their speed test app they
give away for smart phone users. I have reviewed the speed test data for
Illinois, and specifically the mobile data. The NTIA is correct in pushing
the mobile wireless carriers to report a lot less than their claims. Last
year they had a big meeting with the mobile wireless carriers where they
hashed this issue out. The 25 meg rule was part of the result of those
meetings. States cannot report mobile carriers at more than that but they
most certainly can for fixed wireless.
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Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
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I was just informed by Tom McKean of the State of Colorado broadband
mapping agency OIT tom.mck...@state.co.us javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'tom.mck...@state.co.us'); that the NTIA doesn't let them report any
wireless plans as being faster than 25Mbps.
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We have deployed quite a bit of Canopy 450 this year and we have plans
that are 30Mbps down and 10Mbps up.
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Are his statements correct? Why does the NTIA have an arbitrary limit for
wireless networks?
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inquiring minds want to know!
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-sean
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Re: [WISPA] NTIA Mapping
Title: signature Haven't seen any documents from NTIA or anyone else. Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on or follow us on On 2/24/2011 5:06 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: We received a document that says the minimum upload for Terrestrial Fixed Wireless is 768k. Anyone else seeing this? Regards, Chuck WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA / RUS - Request for Information for 2nd Round Released
WISPA as well will be filing comments, and have been patiently waiting this anticipated ROI. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu To: memb...@wispa.org ; WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] NTIA / RUS - Request for Information for 2nd Round Released We will be filing comments, so if you want to add your “2 cents” on the process, let me know and we’ll be more than happy to incorporate your thoughts Agencies Plan to Consolidate Final Two Funding Rounds, Seek Comment on Program Enhancements WASHINGTON – The USDA‟s Rural Utilities Service (RUS) and the Commerce Department‟s National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) today announced they are streamlining the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act‟s broadband grant and loan programs by awarding the remaining funding in just one more round, instead of two rounds, to increase efficiency and better accommodate applicants. The agencies also announced they are seeking public comment on how best to administer the second round of funding for the programs in order to improve the applicant experience and maximize the ability of the programs to meet Recovery Act objectives. “Stakeholders will have the opportunity to provide us with well-informed feedback on how the first round worked for applicants, the agencies will be able to make improvements to the process, and potential applicants will gain more time to form partnerships and create stronger project proposals. Ultimately, this approach can help us run the programs with increased efficiency and produce better results for the American public,” Strickling said. In a Request for Information (RFI) released today, the agencies are seeking feedback on procedural and policy aspects of BIP and BTOP. While inviting general input on the programs, the agencies identified specific areas for comment. In terms of procedural matters, for example, the RFI seeks input on ways to streamline the application process while still ensuring that the agencies obtain the information necessary to make awards in accordance with statutory requirements. The RFI also asks whether the agencies can better balance the public‟s interest in transparency and openness with stakeholders‟ legitimate interest in maintaining the confidentiality of proprietary data. Among policy matters raised, the RFI seeks comment on how to best target the remaining funds to achieve the goals of the Recovery Act. Commenters proposing a more targeted approach are asked to quantify the impact of their proposal based on metrics such as the number of end users or community anchor institutions connecting to service, the number of new jobs created, and the projected increase in broadband adoption rates. The RFI asks whether to focus second round funding on projects that create “comprehensive communities” by installing high capacity middle mile facilities between anchor institutions that bring essential health, medical, and educational services to citizens. The RFI also invites input on various other issues, including whether the definition of “remote area,” which is used to determine grant eligibility under BIP, is too restrictive, how the agencies can best ensure that investments are cost effective, and ways the programs might impact regional economic development and stability. RUS and NTIA will utilize the feedback received in response to the RFI to set the rules for the second funding round, which the agencies expect Charles Wu President c...@ippay.com cell: 773-870-0962 • office: 847-346-0990 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 • tel: 847.346.0990 fax: 847.346.0991 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/image001.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP
Interesting analogies on both parts. My grandmother was a farmer. As I was growing up, one summer visiting my grandmother, one of the sows birthed a pig that had no tail and she would not suckle it because of this fact, so I took care of it and of course named it no tail...the next summer I returned and my gmom renamed the pig to pork chops... There is no analogy there, except to reiterate that no one rides for free, except in our BIP/BTOP proposal the Public Safety network does! We live in an area that sits within the New Madrid fault zone. Our areas are not only underserved, but unserved and remote, as well as the fact that there is little 911 in our counties and in some counties there is no 911, at all. To combine this problem with the fact that there are 467 abandoned and working mines that entire communities are built upon. We have another potential Katrina that is being ignored. We approached our application with a holistic approach rather than a capitalistic one. We are a Small and Disadvantaged business. We were approached and offered the 20% matching funds, but were required to sell 51% of our business if we excepted these funds. We chose a different path. Which, may or may not fly. We chose to maintain ownership of our business and offered to put 30% of our profits back into the communities that we propose to serve, into technology enrichment programs. To us this would be a win-win situation for our communities and allow us to expand our network, while performing a community service. If our application is approved, I would have to disagree with you Rick. Where you state Free is never appreciated and it will not strengthen those that receive it... We believe that our ride for free Public Safety network is a case that will strengthen our communities. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP FD: I didnt say I was a farmer. I was just making an observation. While I enjoyed your analogy, there are other ways the story could go. My Dad always said there is always someone bigger. Perhaps, the hog in question gets slaughered for his value sooner in order to buy the bigger, better hog? Analogies aside, human history shows a different story altogether. One very important rule in life - nobody rides for free. Free is never appreciated and it will not strengthen those that receive it. I fact, find that those that survive through hardship using their own means become the stronger ones. I predict the majority of the funds will be wasted and squandered. Just my opinion. -RickG On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:06 PM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: Full Disclosure: I am also a farmer So the hog that fights the most gets to eat the most. He gets bigger than his competitors. Chances are, since he is the biggest he also gets the upper hand in any battles that take place in the lot. He may have a better chance of expressing his genetics than his counterparts and in doing so get selected to breed all the females. If he makes it that far he gets to postpone a date with the knife that his smaller, weaker competitors face. When his time comes (as it does for us all) because he is so big, he brings the highest price. But he gets to have more fun than his weaker buddies do along the way. C Quoting RickG rgunder...@gmail.com: It reminds me of the farm I was at the other day at dinner time. The pigs were all fighting for food at the trough. They really go at it! -RickG On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote: NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6 Billion dollars http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/ Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP
The public safety portion of this proposal should have been pushed better if you wanted more support. All we saw was one company that is part of the state proposal saying we need your support and no mention of the benefits to our rural public safety groups. That was in a blast message that went to every Fire Chief in the state. Fire Departments are a major force in politics. And every county in Missouri has 911. It maybe plain old 911, but they all have 911. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. There is no analogy there, except to reiterate that no one rides for free, except in our BIP/BTOP proposal the Public Safety network does! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP
I wasnt out to create an argument thread. My last 2 cents: Free has created an entitlement mentality in this country and now we cant pay for it. Where is the money coming from? Can we, our children, our grandchildren afford Trillion dollar budget deficits? As far as free - tell that to our country's founding fathers. I apoligize, as I realize this list is not for politics. This is my last comment on the subject. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:30 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Interesting analogies on both parts. My grandmother was a farmer. As I was growing up, one summer visiting my grandmother, one of the sows birthed a pig that had no tail and she would not suckle it because of this fact, so I took care of it and of course named it no tail...the next summer I returned and my gmom renamed the pig to pork chops... There is no analogy there, except to reiterate that no one rides for free, except in our BIP/BTOP proposal the Public Safety network does! We live in an area that sits within the New Madrid fault zone. Our areas are not only underserved, but unserved and remote, as well as the fact that there is little 911 in our counties and in some counties there is no 911, at all. To combine this problem with the fact that there are 467 abandoned and working mines that entire communities are built upon. We have another potential Katrina that is being ignored. We approached our application with a holistic approach rather than a capitalistic one. We are a Small and Disadvantaged business. We were approached and offered the 20% matching funds, but were required to sell 51% of our business if we excepted these funds. We chose a different path. Which, may or may not fly. We chose to maintain ownership of our business and offered to put 30% of our profits back into the communities that we propose to serve, into technology enrichment programs. To us this would be a win-win situation for our communities and allow us to expand our network, while performing a community service. If our application is approved, I would have to disagree with you Rick. Where you state Free is never appreciated and it will not strengthen those that receive it... We believe that our ride for free Public Safety network is a case that will strengthen our communities. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP FD: I didnt say I was a farmer. I was just making an observation. While I enjoyed your analogy, there are other ways the story could go. My Dad always said there is always someone bigger. Perhaps, the hog in question gets slaughered for his value sooner in order to buy the bigger, better hog? Analogies aside, human history shows a different story altogether. One very important rule in life - nobody rides for free. Free is never appreciated and it will not strengthen those that receive it. I fact, find that those that survive through hardship using their own means become the stronger ones. I predict the majority of the funds will be wasted and squandered. Just my opinion. -RickG On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:06 PM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: Full Disclosure: I am also a farmer So the hog that fights the most gets to eat the most. He gets bigger than his competitors. Chances are, since he is the biggest he also gets the upper hand in any battles that take place in the lot. He may have a better chance of expressing his genetics than his counterparts and in doing so get selected to breed all the females. If he makes it that far he gets to postpone a date with the knife that his smaller, weaker competitors face. When his time comes (as it does for us all) because he is so big, he brings the highest price. But he gets to have more fun than his weaker buddies do along the way. C Quoting RickG rgunder...@gmail.com: It reminds me of the farm I was at the other day at dinner time. The pigs were all fighting for food at the trough. They really go at it! -RickG On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote: NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6 Billion dollars http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/ Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP
I agree with your comments. That is why we felt it important to apply and try to persuade these monies to be used responsibly, rather than squandered. Victoria -Original Message- From: RickG [mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:29 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP I wasnt out to create an argument thread. My last 2 cents: Free has created an entitlement mentality in this country and now we cant pay for it. Where is the money coming from? Can we, our children, our grandchildren afford Trillion dollar budget deficits? As far as free - tell that to our country's founding fathers. I apoligize, as I realize this list is not for politics. This is my last comment on the subject. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:30 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Interesting analogies on both parts. My grandmother was a farmer. As I was growing up, one summer visiting my grandmother, one of the sows birthed a pig that had no tail and she would not suckle it because of this fact, so I took care of it and of course named it no tail...the next summer I returned and my gmom renamed the pig to pork chops... There is no analogy there, except to reiterate that no one rides for free, except in our BIP/BTOP proposal the Public Safety network does! We live in an area that sits within the New Madrid fault zone. Our areas are not only underserved, but unserved and remote, as well as the fact that there is little 911 in our counties and in some counties there is no 911, at all. To combine this problem with the fact that there are 467 abandoned and working mines that entire communities are built upon. We have another potential Katrina that is being ignored. We approached our application with a holistic approach rather than a capitalistic one. We are a Small and Disadvantaged business. We were approached and offered the 20% matching funds, but were required to sell 51% of our business if we excepted these funds. We chose a different path. Which, may or may not fly. We chose to maintain ownership of our business and offered to put 30% of our profits back into the communities that we propose to serve, into technology enrichment programs. To us this would be a win-win situation for our communities and allow us to expand our network, while performing a community service. If our application is approved, I would have to disagree with you Rick. Where you state Free is never appreciated and it will not strengthen those that receive it... We believe that our ride for free Public Safety network is a case that will strengthen our communities. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP FD: I didnt say I was a farmer. I was just making an observation. While I enjoyed your analogy, there are other ways the story could go. My Dad always said there is always someone bigger. Perhaps, the hog in question gets slaughered for his value sooner in order to buy the bigger, better hog? Analogies aside, human history shows a different story altogether. One very important rule in life - nobody rides for free. Free is never appreciated and it will not strengthen those that receive it. I fact, find that those that survive through hardship using their own means become the stronger ones. I predict the majority of the funds will be wasted and squandered. Just my opinion. -RickG On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:06 PM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: Full Disclosure: I am also a farmer So the hog that fights the most gets to eat the most. He gets bigger than his competitors. Chances are, since he is the biggest he also gets the upper hand in any battles that take place in the lot. He may have a better chance of expressing his genetics than his counterparts and in doing so get selected to breed all the females. If he makes it that far he gets to postpone a date with the knife that his smaller, weaker competitors face. When his time comes (as it does for us all) because he is so big, he brings the highest price. But he gets to have more fun than his weaker buddies do along the way. C Quoting RickG rgunder...@gmail.com: It reminds me of the farm I was at the other day at dinner time. The pigs were all fighting for food at the trough. They really go at it! -RickG On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote: NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6 Billion dollars http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/ Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP
But I have far more hogs than there are WISPs. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: ccoo...@intelliwave.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:06 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP Full Disclosure: I am also a farmer So the hog that fights the most gets to eat the most. He gets bigger than his competitors. Chances are, since he is the biggest he also gets the upper hand in any battles that take place in the lot. He may have a better chance of expressing his genetics than his counterparts and in doing so get selected to breed all the females. If he makes it that far he gets to postpone a date with the knife that his smaller, weaker competitors face. When his time comes (as it does for us all) because he is so big, he brings the highest price. But he gets to have more fun than his weaker buddies do along the way. C Quoting RickG rgunder...@gmail.com: It reminds me of the farm I was at the other day at dinner time. The pigs were all fighting for food at the trough. They really go at it! -RickG On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote: NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6 Billion dollars http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/ Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP
It reminds me of the farm I was at the other day at dinner time. The pigs were all fighting for food at the trough. They really go at it! -RickG On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote: NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6 Billion dollars http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/ Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP
It looks like stiff competition, especially at BTOP. 1230 rural applications. I would guess that a good portion of the 830 applications seeking joint evaluation are not willing to shoulder an RUS loan but are instead seeking more grants than they can get at BIP. Chris -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6 Billion dollars http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/ Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB File: ATT00056.txt OLE Object: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) attachment: winmail.dat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP
Full Disclosure: I am also a farmer So the hog that fights the most gets to eat the most. He gets bigger than his competitors. Chances are, since he is the biggest he also gets the upper hand in any battles that take place in the lot. He may have a better chance of expressing his genetics than his counterparts and in doing so get selected to breed all the females. If he makes it that far he gets to postpone a date with the knife that his smaller, weaker competitors face. When his time comes (as it does for us all) because he is so big, he brings the highest price. But he gets to have more fun than his weaker buddies do along the way. C Quoting RickG rgunder...@gmail.com: It reminds me of the farm I was at the other day at dinner time. The pigs were all fighting for food at the trough. They really go at it! -RickG On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote: NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6 Billion dollars http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/ Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP
FD: I didnt say I was a farmer. I was just making an observation. While I enjoyed your analogy, there are other ways the story could go. My Dad always said there is always someone bigger. Perhaps, the hog in question gets slaughered for his value sooner in order to buy the bigger, better hog? Analogies aside, human history shows a different story altogether. One very important rule in life - nobody rides for free. Free is never appreciated and it will not strengthen those that receive it. I fact, find that those that survive through hardship using their own means become the stronger ones. I predict the majority of the funds will be wasted and squandered. Just my opinion. -RickG On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:06 PM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: Full Disclosure: I am also a farmer So the hog that fights the most gets to eat the most. He gets bigger than his competitors. Chances are, since he is the biggest he also gets the upper hand in any battles that take place in the lot. He may have a better chance of expressing his genetics than his counterparts and in doing so get selected to breed all the females. If he makes it that far he gets to postpone a date with the knife that his smaller, weaker competitors face. When his time comes (as it does for us all) because he is so big, he brings the highest price. But he gets to have more fun than his weaker buddies do along the way. C Quoting RickG rgunder...@gmail.com: It reminds me of the farm I was at the other day at dinner time. The pigs were all fighting for food at the trough. They really go at it! -RickG On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote: NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6 Billion dollars http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/ Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP
A fair description... but let's just say your Hog is the biggest, but a medium size hog has a GOLD tail, provided by an outside entity such as the government(never mind how underhandedly this may have came about). Now which hog goes to the market first? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: ccoo...@intelliwave.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:06:08 -0400 Full Disclosure: I am also a farmer So the hog that fights the most gets to eat the most. He gets bigger than his competitors. Chances are, since he is the biggest he also gets the upper hand in any battles that take place in the lot. He may have a better chance of expressing his genetics than his counterparts and in doing so get selected to breed all the females. If he makes it that far he gets to postpone a date with the knife that his smaller, weaker competitors face. When his time comes (as it does for us all) because he is so big, he brings the highest price. But he gets to have more fun than his weaker buddies do along the way. C Quoting RickG rgunder...@gmail.com: It reminds me of the farm I was at the other day at dinner time. The pigs were all fighting for food at the trough. They really go at it! -RickG On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote: NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6 Billion dollars http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/ Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Seeks Volunteers to Review Broadband Applications
I've got a friend who reviews applications on a contract basis for the federal Dept of Education. Very common practice when so many applications come in at once. Their process is to have three reviewers look at each application. They average the three scores and then only a percentage move to the next round. The first review process is typically looking for T's to be crossed and I's to be dotted ensuring you met all the requirements of the grant, and then their scoring metric is used. She told me it's not uncommon for upwards of 50 percent to be dropped during this round. YMMV. Dave Hulsebus Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: Did you guys hear about this? http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/070909-ntia-seeks-volunteers-to-review.html?page=1 Some people think its scary, but I think if done with enough guidance Volunteer Reviewers could cull a lot of crap out of this program applications. -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Seeks Volunteers to Review Broadband Applications
Well...it's better than the idea of reassigning people from the fish and wildlife to read BTOP applications (we've been talking to NTIA, and I kid you not, this was one of the ideas thrown out) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] NTIA Seeks Volunteers to Review Broadband Applications Did you guys hear about this? http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/070909-ntia-seeks-volunteers-to-review.html?page=1 Some people think its scary, but I think if done with enough guidance Volunteer Reviewers could cull a lot of crap out of this program applications. -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Seeks Volunteers to Review Broadband Applications
Sounds like a good job for ACORN. They've done very well at finding volunteers for election fraud and such. ;) === Eric Merkel ejmerkel.li...@gmail.com On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTSilopezli...@sandboxitsolutions.com wrote: Did you guys hear about this? http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/070909-ntia-seeks-volunteers-to-review.html?page=1 Some people think its scary, but I think if done with enough guidance Volunteer Reviewers could cull a lot of crap out of this program applications. -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Provider http://journik.com http://journik.posterous.com http://twitter.com/journik WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Seeks Volunteers to Review Broadband Applications
Then they could call it PECAN. Phone Exchange Carriers Against Wireless. -RickG On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Eric Merkel (Mail Lists)ejmerkel.li...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like a good job for ACORN. They've done very well at finding volunteers for election fraud and such. ;) === Eric Merkel ejmerkel.li...@gmail.com On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTSilopezli...@sandboxitsolutions.com wrote: Did you guys hear about this? http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/070909-ntia-seeks-volunteers-to-review.html?page=1 Some people think its scary, but I think if done with enough guidance Volunteer Reviewers could cull a lot of crap out of this program applications. -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Provider http://journik.com http://journik.posterous.com http://twitter.com/journik WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Seeks Volunteers to Review Broadband Applications
Mixed feelings I suppose, but I certainly could see Comcast paying people to be volunteers! That's the main problem...and they've got a history pulling such stunts! http://www.getmiro.com/blog/2008/02/comcast-secretly-pays-people-to-fill-seats-at-fcc-hearing/ Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: Did you guys hear about this? http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/070909-ntia-seeks-volunteers-to-review.html?page=1 Some people think its scary, but I think if done with enough guidance Volunteer Reviewers could cull a lot of crap out of this program applications. -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Seeks Volunteers to Review Broadband Applications
Hm... how 'bout we all volunteer to work for Comcast really cheap :) Randy Bret Clark wrote: Mixed feelings I suppose, but I certainly could see Comcast paying people to be volunteers! That's the main problem...and they've got a history pulling such stunts! http://www.getmiro.com/blog/2008/02/comcast-secretly-pays-people-to-fill-seats-at-fcc-hearing/ Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: Did you guys hear about this? http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/070909-ntia-seeks-volunteers-to-review.html?page=1 Some people think its scary, but I think if done with enough guidance Volunteer Reviewers could cull a lot of crap out of this program applications. -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Seeks Volunteers to Review Broadband Applications
Randy Cosby wrote: Hm... how 'bout we all volunteer to work for Comcast really cheap :) Darn. I just volunteered for free. I guess I don't get volunteering... David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Seeks Volunteers to Review Broadband Applications
Long time no see guys... you on twitter? what's your addresses? lemme know. im @journik On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTSilopezli...@sandboxitsolutions.com wrote: Did you guys hear about this? http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/070909-ntia-seeks-volunteers-to-review.html?page=1 Some people think its scary, but I think if done with enough guidance Volunteer Reviewers could cull a lot of crap out of this program applications. -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Provider http://journik.com http://journik.posterous.com http://twitter.com/journik WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping
Here are some web sites to check out: Connected Nation Projects: http://www.connectky.com/ http://connectohio.org/ http://www.connectmn.org/mapping/ http://www.connectedtn.org/broadband_landscape/ http://connectwestvirginia.org/mapping_and_research/state_maps.php http://www.publicknowledge.org/ - This group has been very critical of Connected Nation and there have been exchanges between the parties on other wed sites. Connected Nation's responses are interesting reading. Couple that with the membership of Connected Nation's Board of Directors and you can draw your own conclusions. Enter Connected Nation in the search bar to bring up many articles. http://benton.org/node/15506#comment-28 - Here are comments by Connected Nation in rebuttal to PublicKnowledge.org. While it seems these two groups are in a pretty good fight against each other, I tend to read through the emotions and look directly at the facts. Connected Nation's response still will not explore mapping options so that they can release the data. They just defend their position that the data must be kept under NDA. http://www.connectednation.org/who_we_are/national_advisors/ This the list of the companies who make up Connected Nation's Board of Directors. My fear is that of the money set aside for broadband mapping, politics will get in the way and Connected Nation will get much if not all of the funds based on their political connections. Connected Nation has a lot of momentum inside the beltway. I have personally developed methods to where broadband mapping can be done on a Nationwide Basis using data that does not require any NDA. I need to spend some time to verify the process so that it would survive scientific scrutiny. All of the data is based on information already in the public domain. Connected Nation could have done this same work. I don't think they want to. With the think tank of people and skills they have at their disposal, I find it hard to believe I am the only one who could have figured out how to do this.. Thank You, Brian Webster WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping
I've looked at the maps of Ohio that Connect Ohio has put out and they are at the very least grossly optimistic. Just looking at them at first you would say that 99.5% of the state has access to broadband from more than one provider. In my county it's the same way. The map shows that most of the area is served by broadband but when you start asking around most people can't get DSL or even some fixed wireless is unavailable due to large amounts of trees. Actually the map is right if they are factoring in that everyone has a 80 foot tower at their house to receive wireless broadband with... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping Here are some web sites to check out: Connected Nation Projects: http://www.connectky.com/ http://connectohio.org/ http://www.connectmn.org/mapping/ http://www.connectedtn.org/broadband_landscape/ http://connectwestvirginia.org/mapping_and_research/state_maps.php http://www.publicknowledge.org/ - This group has been very critical of Connected Nation and there have been exchanges between the parties on other wed sites. Connected Nation's responses are interesting reading. Couple that with the membership of Connected Nation's Board of Directors and you can draw your own conclusions. Enter Connected Nation in the search bar to bring up many articles. http://benton.org/node/15506#comment-28 - Here are comments by Connected Nation in rebuttal to PublicKnowledge.org. While it seems these two groups are in a pretty good fight against each other, I tend to read through the emotions and look directly at the facts. Connected Nation's response still will not explore mapping options so that they can release the data. They just defend their position that the data must be kept under NDA. http://www.connectednation.org/who_we_are/national_advisors/ This the list of the companies who make up Connected Nation's Board of Directors. My fear is that of the money set aside for broadband mapping, politics will get in the way and Connected Nation will get much if not all of the funds based on their political connections. Connected Nation has a lot of momentum inside the beltway. I have personally developed methods to where broadband mapping can be done on a Nationwide Basis using data that does not require any NDA. I need to spend some time to verify the process so that it would survive scientific scrutiny. All of the data is based on information already in the public domain. Connected Nation could have done this same work. I don't think they want to. With the think tank of people and skills they have at their disposal, I find it hard to believe I am the only one who could have figured out how to do this.. Thank You, Brian Webster WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping
Brian Webster wrote: Amen Rick I've always maintained the thought that the 350 Million was another back door political payback to the Telco and cable companies via Connected Nation. With the fact that this funding gets put out there and then the data never really becomes available because of the NDA's signed, it just smells like a pork barrel project to me. Your explanation just backs up that idea. Um. what? Where do you see in the law where the data won't be available? What page and section? If you want to map broadband, go to a small organization like myself. We can do the work for tenths of a penny on the dollar these guys are quoting. You just build that cost in to the rest of your stimulus project and move on. Trying to take on Connected Nation is a losing battle. Just step around them and move forward..there are plenty of ways to map the competitive broadband in a market without proprietary data and you can successfully do it to convince the organizations that are handing out money. Go compete for the (sub)contract then, instead of whining on the mailing list. This sort of baseless posturing is pathetic and does your company a disservice. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping Chris, It is my understanding that this bill was specifically written for Connected Nation. In a conversation today in Indianapolis I was told that if you divide $350 million by 50 states you get $7,000,000 per state. This is approximately 80% of the $9,000,000 contract they recently signed with Ohio or Tennessee. The 80% number coincidentally matches up with the current thinking on the Broadband Stimulus Grants with 20% coming from the awardees and 80% coming from the Federal Government. If this assumption is correct, it didn't take Connected Nation long to come up with a number to present to the legislators that sponsored the bill. I'm not saying that this funding won't be allocated to other grantees but I have been told that it will be extremely difficult to buck this legislation given the current political clout that Connected Nation seems to have. That is not to say that the states themselves will get control of the funding and will make those decisions separately. Respectfully, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] NTIA mapping There is a $350 million mapping component set aside under BTOP. Will this funding be available in smaller chunks to successful grantees to map their expanded networks? Will it be available to all wisps to map their existing networks in an effort to add to the overall national BB map? Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2082 - Release Date: 04/27/09 06:19:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping
- Original Message - From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org To: ccoo...@intelliwave.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping Chris, It is my understanding that this bill was specifically written for Connected Nation. In a conversation today in Indianapolis I was told that if you divide $350 million by 50 states you get $7,000,000 per state. This is approximately 80% of the $9,000,000 contract they recently signed with Ohio or Tennessee. The 80% number coincidentally matches up with the current thinking on the Broadband Stimulus Grants with 20% coming from the awardees and 80% coming from the Federal Government. If this assumption is correct, it didn't take Connected Nation long to come up with a number to present to the legislators that sponsored the bill. I'm not saying that this funding won't be allocated to other grantees but I have been told that it will be extremely difficult to buck this legislation given the current political clout that Connected Nation seems to have. That is not to say that the states themselves will get control of the funding and will make those decisions separately. Respectfully, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] NTIA mapping There is a $350 million mapping component set aside under BTOP. Will this funding be available in smaller chunks to successful grantees to map their expanded networks? Will it be available to all wisps to map their existing networks in an effort to add to the overall national BB map? Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2082 - Release Date: 04/27/09 06:19:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping
Brian, Thats where I disagree. I'm surprised to hear it come from you. Quick Note: Just two years ago, CN was nobody. They have gotten clout because they got off their hind side and started working on a solution to the problem. But CN has had lots of critisim, they are not invincible. What you should be doing is writting your ticket to financial freedom, by preparing plans for WISPs. Grant awardees can't write checks to themselves, but they can write checks to their solution providers and contractors necessary to fullfil their obligations of and goals for their grants. Brian, many WISPs like your work and see the value, but aren't paying you now for services because they simply don't have the budget for it. The grant program is an opportunity to get in in the budget. If mapping isn't included in their grant apps, it won't likely be in their budget after their award either. It might be hard to get a seperate grant for mapping. But its real easy to add a line item to an existing application. If I were you, I'd be putting togeather the deluxe package for WISPs to include in their applications, and it doesn't have to be cheaper. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping Amen Rick I've always maintained the thought that the 350 Million was another back door political payback to the Telco and cable companies via Connected Nation. With the fact that this funding gets put out there and then the data never really becomes available because of the NDA's signed, it just smells like a pork barrel project to me. Your explanation just backs up that idea. If you want to map broadband, go to a small organization like myself. We can do the work for tenths of a penny on the dollar these guys are quoting. You just build that cost in to the rest of your stimulus project and move on. Trying to take on Connected Nation is a losing battle. Just step around them and move forward..there are plenty of ways to map the competitive broadband in a market without proprietary data and you can successfully do it to convince the organizations that are handing out money. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:23 PM To: ccoo...@intelliwave.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping Chris, It is my understanding that this bill was specifically written for Connected Nation. In a conversation today in Indianapolis I was told that if you divide $350 million by 50 states you get $7,000,000 per state. This is approximately 80% of the $9,000,000 contract they recently signed with Ohio or Tennessee. The 80% number coincidentally matches up with the current thinking on the Broadband Stimulus Grants with 20% coming from the awardees and 80% coming from the Federal Government. If this assumption is correct, it didn't take Connected Nation long to come up with a number to present to the legislators that sponsored the bill. I'm not saying that this funding won't be allocated to other grantees but I have been told that it will be extremely difficult to buck this legislation given the current political clout that Connected Nation seems to have. That is not to say that the states themselves will get control of the funding and will make those decisions separately. Respectfully, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] NTIA mapping There is a $350 million mapping component set aside under BTOP. Will this funding be available in smaller chunks to successful grantees to map their expanded networks? Will it be available to all wisps to map their existing networks in an effort to add to the overall national BB map? Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2082 - Release Date: 04/27/09 06:19:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping
I'd like to echo my own previous statements that I believe a lot of the mapping efforts will be run through the states. Here in AL, there's been a mapping program underway and we're expecting to see preliminary maps by the end of next month. The best thing that you as a WISP can do, apart from submitting a grant of your own, is to make regular contact (to the extent that it doesn't become annoying) with the officials on your state's broadband task force/authority/whatever. If you're on their good side and know that you have the capability to do some of the mapping work, you'll be the one they look to when they go after the money. InLine vickie edwards, MPA | Grant Specialist InLine Connections Solutions Through Technology 600 Lakeshore Pkwy Birmingham AL, 35209 205-278-8106 [p] 205-941-1934[f] vedwa...@inline.com www.InLine.com All Quotes from InLine are only valid for 30 days. This message and any attached files may contain confidential information and are intended solely for the message recipient. If you are not the message recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:02 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping Brian, Thats where I disagree. I'm surprised to hear it come from you. Quick Note: Just two years ago, CN was nobody. They have gotten clout because they got off their hind side and started working on a solution to the problem. But CN has had lots of critisim, they are not invincible. What you should be doing is writting your ticket to financial freedom, by preparing plans for WISPs. Grant awardees can't write checks to themselves, but they can write checks to their solution providers and contractors necessary to fullfil their obligations of and goals for their grants. Brian, many WISPs like your work and see the value, but aren't paying you now for services because they simply don't have the budget for it. The grant program is an opportunity to get in in the budget. If mapping isn't included in their grant apps, it won't likely be in their budget after their award either. It might be hard to get a seperate grant for mapping. But its real easy to add a line item to an existing application. If I were you, I'd be putting togeather the deluxe package for WISPs to include in their applications, and it doesn't have to be cheaper. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping Amen Rick I've always maintained the thought that the 350 Million was another back door political payback to the Telco and cable companies via Connected Nation. With the fact that this funding gets put out there and then the data never really becomes available because of the NDA's signed, it just smells like a pork barrel project to me. Your explanation just backs up that idea. If you want to map broadband, go to a small organization like myself. We can do the work for tenths of a penny on the dollar these guys are quoting. You just build that cost in to the rest of your stimulus project and move on. Trying to take on Connected Nation is a losing battle. Just step around them and move forward..there are plenty of ways to map the competitive broadband in a market without proprietary data and you can successfully do it to convince the organizations that are handing out money. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:23 PM To: ccoo...@intelliwave.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping Chris, It is my understanding that this bill was specifically written for Connected Nation. In a conversation today in Indianapolis I was told that if you divide $350 million by 50 states you get $7,000,000 per state. This is approximately 80% of the $9,000,000 contract they recently signed with Ohio or Tennessee. The 80% number coincidentally matches up with the current thinking on the Broadband Stimulus Grants with 20% coming from the awardees and 80% coming from the Federal Government
Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping
Preach it Tom! Wake up folks. Regardless of your political views, your approval/disapproval of the stimulus package it's out there and the money is becoming available. WE PAID INTO THIS WITH OUR TAXES! IT'S OUR MONEY! I don't know about all you, but I have been preparing business and product plans since November and am waiting like a hawk for the grant process to be defined. Tom DeReggi wrote: Brian, Thats where I disagree. I'm surprised to hear it come from you. Quick Note: Just two years ago, CN was nobody. They have gotten clout because they got off their hind side and started working on a solution to the problem. But CN has had lots of critisim, they are not invincible. What you should be doing is writting your ticket to financial freedom, by preparing plans for WISPs. Grant awardees can't write checks to themselves, but they can write checks to their solution providers and contractors necessary to fullfil their obligations of and goals for their grants. Brian, many WISPs like your work and see the value, but aren't paying you now for services because they simply don't have the budget for it. The grant program is an opportunity to get in in the budget. If mapping isn't included in their grant apps, it won't likely be in their budget after their award either. It might be hard to get a seperate grant for mapping. But its real easy to add a line item to an existing application. If I were you, I'd be putting togeather the deluxe package for WISPs to include in their applications, and it doesn't have to be cheaper. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping Amen Rick I've always maintained the thought that the 350 Million was another back door political payback to the Telco and cable companies via Connected Nation. With the fact that this funding gets put out there and then the data never really becomes available because of the NDA's signed, it just smells like a pork barrel project to me. Your explanation just backs up that idea. If you want to map broadband, go to a small organization like myself. We can do the work for tenths of a penny on the dollar these guys are quoting. You just build that cost in to the rest of your stimulus project and move on. Trying to take on Connected Nation is a losing battle. Just step around them and move forward..there are plenty of ways to map the competitive broadband in a market without proprietary data and you can successfully do it to convince the organizations that are handing out money. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:23 PM To: ccoo...@intelliwave.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping Chris, It is my understanding that this bill was specifically written for Connected Nation. In a conversation today in Indianapolis I was told that if you divide $350 million by 50 states you get $7,000,000 per state. This is approximately 80% of the $9,000,000 contract they recently signed with Ohio or Tennessee. The 80% number coincidentally matches up with the current thinking on the Broadband Stimulus Grants with 20% coming from the awardees and 80% coming from the Federal Government. If this assumption is correct, it didn't take Connected Nation long to come up with a number to present to the legislators that sponsored the bill. I'm not saying that this funding won't be allocated to other grantees but I have been told that it will be extremely difficult to buck this legislation given the current political clout that Connected Nation seems to have. That is not to say that the states themselves will get control of the funding and will make those decisions separately. Respectfully, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] NTIA mapping There is a $350 million mapping component set aside under BTOP. Will this funding be available in smaller chunks to successful grantees to map their expanded networks? Will it be available to all wisps to map their existing networks in an effort to add to the overall national BB map? Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping
Tom, I think you misunderstood my position. I have reviewed many of connected nations' completed projects and their mapping methodologies. In other aspects of taxpayer funded mapping efforts, the resulting data has been put in the public domain because the taxpayers own the right to the results. Having connected nation do a mapping effort funded by the taxpayers, and then not give anyone access to the data except for a pdf map, is not in the public best interest. We saw the board makeup of connected nation when they asked if WISPA wanted to join. As we all discovered, those board members are largely made up of people from the Telco and Cable companies. That is where they get their clout. That is also why they stick to their guns and map the broadband data under NDA and won't release the results. I am not against the broadband mapping initiative at all. I support the concept of mapping, just not the way connected nation has done it in the past. I also feel it is dangerous putting the projects in the hands of organizations who could be subject to the perception of not being completely objective. There are many states that have already done a good job of mapping broadband or are well on their way. California did a nice one (http://www.calink.ca.gov/taskforcereport/), Maine and others have also put a lot of work in to their programs. It's important to read and understand each projects mapping methodologies to establish how much of a statistical margin of error their results can contain. Nothing is going to be perfect, but it can also be said that it's easy to sway results depending on how you report data in statistical form. From a rural broadband perspective, a simple overstatement of a service area by say 5 or 10 percent can lock out a large number of households that might be the difference in making a rural WISP or other ISP business case possible. In the case of KY or OH, there are no provisions for others to view the comprehensive data sets for either broadband studies or other purposes. The only result provided was a pdf map and a web site where you can inquire based on a single address point. If connected nation has not figured out how to map broadband in a manor where they can release the data when finished, then the taxpayer is not getting their best value. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:02 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping Brian, Thats where I disagree. I'm surprised to hear it come from you. Quick Note: Just two years ago, CN was nobody. They have gotten clout because they got off their hind side and started working on a solution to the problem. But CN has had lots of critisim, they are not invincible. What you should be doing is writting your ticket to financial freedom, by preparing plans for WISPs. Grant awardees can't write checks to themselves, but they can write checks to their solution providers and contractors necessary to fullfil their obligations of and goals for their grants. Brian, many WISPs like your work and see the value, but aren't paying you now for services because they simply don't have the budget for it. The grant program is an opportunity to get in in the budget. If mapping isn't included in their grant apps, it won't likely be in their budget after their award either. It might be hard to get a seperate grant for mapping. But its real easy to add a line item to an existing application. If I were you, I'd be putting togeather the deluxe package for WISPs to include in their applications, and it doesn't have to be cheaper. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping Amen Rick I've always maintained the thought that the 350 Million was another back door political payback to the Telco and cable companies via Connected Nation. With the fact that this funding gets put out there and then the data never really becomes available because of the NDA's signed, it just smells like a pork barrel project to me. Your explanation just backs up that idea. If you want to map broadband, go to a small organization like myself. We can do the work for tenths of a penny on the dollar these guys are quoting. You just build that cost in to the rest of your stimulus project and move on. Trying to take on Connected Nation is a losing battle. Just step around them and move forward..there are plenty of ways to map the competitive broadband in a market without proprietary data and you can successfully do it to convince the organizations that are handing out money. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping
At what cost? Will the Feds own you and your business? Will you have to open up your financials and account to them? I'm just asking... -RickG On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com wrote: Preach it Tom! Wake up folks. Regardless of your political views, your approval/disapproval of the stimulus package it's out there and the money is becoming available. WE PAID INTO THIS WITH OUR TAXES! IT'S OUR MONEY! I don't know about all you, but I have been preparing business and product plans since November and am waiting like a hawk for the grant process to be defined. Tom DeReggi wrote: Brian, Thats where I disagree. I'm surprised to hear it come from you. Quick Note: Just two years ago, CN was nobody. They have gotten clout because they got off their hind side and started working on a solution to the problem. But CN has had lots of critisim, they are not invincible. What you should be doing is writting your ticket to financial freedom, by preparing plans for WISPs. Grant awardees can't write checks to themselves, but they can write checks to their solution providers and contractors necessary to fullfil their obligations of and goals for their grants. Brian, many WISPs like your work and see the value, but aren't paying you now for services because they simply don't have the budget for it. The grant program is an opportunity to get in in the budget. If mapping isn't included in their grant apps, it won't likely be in their budget after their award either. It might be hard to get a seperate grant for mapping. But its real easy to add a line item to an existing application. If I were you, I'd be putting togeather the deluxe package for WISPs to include in their applications, and it doesn't have to be cheaper. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping Amen Rick I've always maintained the thought that the 350 Million was another back door political payback to the Telco and cable companies via Connected Nation. With the fact that this funding gets put out there and then the data never really becomes available because of the NDA's signed, it just smells like a pork barrel project to me. Your explanation just backs up that idea. If you want to map broadband, go to a small organization like myself. We can do the work for tenths of a penny on the dollar these guys are quoting. You just build that cost in to the rest of your stimulus project and move on. Trying to take on Connected Nation is a losing battle. Just step around them and move forward..there are plenty of ways to map the competitive broadband in a market without proprietary data and you can successfully do it to convince the organizations that are handing out money. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:23 PM To: ccoo...@intelliwave.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping Chris, It is my understanding that this bill was specifically written for Connected Nation. In a conversation today in Indianapolis I was told that if you divide $350 million by 50 states you get $7,000,000 per state. This is approximately 80% of the $9,000,000 contract they recently signed with Ohio or Tennessee. The 80% number coincidentally matches up with the current thinking on the Broadband Stimulus Grants with 20% coming from the awardees and 80% coming from the Federal Government. If this assumption is correct, it didn't take Connected Nation long to come up with a number to present to the legislators that sponsored the bill. I'm not saying that this funding won't be allocated to other grantees but I have been told that it will be extremely difficult to buck this legislation given the current political clout that Connected Nation seems to have. That is not to say that the states themselves will get control of the funding and will make those decisions separately. Respectfully, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] NTIA mapping There is a $350 million mapping component set aside under BTOP. Will this funding be available in smaller chunks to successful grantees to map their expanded networks? Will it be available to all wisps to map their existing networks in an effort to add to the overall national BB map? Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
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Charles, I am not against this stimulus package nor the mapping effort. There has been considerable criticism of connected nation and where they have responded to same, I have watched carefully. Technically they have made the data available to the public and to the uninitiated decision makers, they think this is great. The format for which they have released the data is not what makes good use of a taxpayer funded mapping program. GIS and mapping should be considered a large Boolean logic system. In the same way you would do searches for key words using an internet search engine, mapping data layers can be used in a similar fashion. For example, if the broadband GIS data results were openly available, communities and/or individuals could build an application where you could ask things like, show me homes for sale in the $200,000 range with 3 bedrooms, in x school district in y municipality that have broadband. Today you as a citizen, who funded projects like the Census , have access to data sets which allow you to gather that type of information. The broadband mapping should be made available in the same formats. Maps in pdf format do not meet that criteria. Connected Nation has gone to great lengths to technically release their results, but also have hobbled the process and not made the real data available to even the government agencies. Think about that when all the grant applications start streaming in and the reviewers are trying to verify the communities that have or don't have broadband. There are many uses and benefits to keeping the data in the public domain. Public policy and academic groups would use this as an additional data element for their socio economic studies, other industries who might be privately looking to locate new facilities, could use it and make sure the infrastructure they need would be located on otherwise suitable property. There are many others uses that I am aware of and probably many more that I wouldn't have though about. Point being is that connected nation does not share this philosophy. For the money they have spent on mapping projects to date, they could have easily gathered and compiled the same results using other methods with publically available data. They chose not to, and obtained information under NDA. I question if they did this because they took the lazy route or if it was done intentionally. The slightest little differences in the wording of contracts or final rules would go unnoticed to the casual observer, but in the end will make a huge difference in the benefit and usability to the final product. I would love to lead a crusade to make sure this does not happen and to help educate all the policy makers involved. Unfortunately that takes a great deal of time and connections to get in front of the right people. As one individual I have neither. I have been talking to other groups that may have the resources to do so. I continue to offer my help and expertise in hopes that the best solutions will prevail to the maximum benefit of the taxpayer. The WISP industry would benefit a great deal by keeping access to the results open. It will go a long way in helping determine market viability for a particular business plan. It would also make the process and expense to apply for these grants less costly. I made the statement to move ahead despite the mapping effort only because I fear that the worst would happen and the data will only be available in formats such as in Kentucky and Ohio. Those maps are all but useless when you need to answer complex questions like the number of households not served by broadband but would be under your project proposal. All important information under the grant processes. The statement was meant to say that you can still do it without the national mapping effort and at a much lower cost. This is a very complex issue and difficult to debate the points though email or list format. Out of frustration I hastily sent of a response and did not clearly state my thoughts on the topic. As a mapping geek I could drone on forever about the topic. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Charles Wyble [mailto:char...@thewybles.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping Preach it Tom! Wake up folks. Regardless of your political views, your approval/disapproval of the stimulus package it's out there and the money is becoming available. WE PAID INTO THIS WITH OUR TAXES! IT'S OUR MONEY! I don't know about all you, but I have been preparing business and product plans since November and am waiting like a hawk for the grant process to be defined. Tom DeReggi wrote: Brian, Thats where I disagree. I'm surprised to hear it come from you. Quick Note: Just two years ago, CN was nobody. They have gotten clout because they got off their hind side and started working on a solution
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Brian Webster wrote: Charles, I am not against this stimulus package nor the mapping effort. Understood. There has been considerable criticism of connected nation and where they have responded to same, I have watched carefully. I will look into this further. This is the first mention I have seen of that entity. Technically they have made the data available to the public and to the uninitiated decision makers, they think this is great. Gotcha. Yes I agree a final product in PDF format isn't overly interesting. However I'm not sure if the data will only be available in that format. We should push for the raw data to be available. The format for which they have released the data is not what makes good use of a taxpayer funded mapping program. GIS and mapping should be considered a large Boolean logic system. In the same way you would do searches for key words using an internet search engine, mapping data layers can be used in a similar fashion. For example, if the broadband GIS data results were openly available, communities and/or individuals could build an application where you could ask things like, show me homes for sale in the $200,000 range with 3 bedrooms, in x school district in y municipality that have broadband. Today you as a citizen, who funded projects like the Census , have access to data sets which allow you to gather that type of information. For example TIGER shape files and FCC shape files. The broadband mapping should be made available in the same formats. Agreed. Maps in pdf format do not meet that criteria. Right. Connected Nation has gone to great lengths to technically release their results, but also have hobbled the process and not made the real data available to even the government agencies. Think about that when all the grant applications start streaming in and the reviewers are trying to verify the communities that have or don't have broadband. Sure. So lets push for the raw data to be available. There are many uses and benefits to keeping the data in the public domain. Public policy and academic groups would use this as an additional data element for their socio economic studies, other industries who might be privately looking to locate new facilities, could use it and make sure the infrastructure they need would be located on otherwise suitable property. There are many others uses that I am aware of and probably many more that I wouldn't have though about. Point being is that connected nation does not share this philosophy. Makes sense. For the money they have spent on mapping projects to date, they could have easily gathered and compiled the same results using other methods with publically available data. They chose not to, and obtained information under NDA. I question if they did this because they took the lazy route or if it was done intentionally. The slightest little differences in the wording of contracts or final rules would go unnoticed to the casual observer, but in the end will make a huge difference in the benefit and usability to the final product. Very true. I would love to lead a crusade to make sure this does not happen and to help educate all the policy makers involved. Unfortunately that takes a great deal of time and connections to get in front of the right people. As one individual I have neither. I have been talking to other groups that may have the resources to do so. I continue to offer my help and expertise in hopes that the best solutions will prevail to the maximum benefit of the taxpayer. The WISP industry would benefit a great deal by keeping access to the results open. It will go a long way in helping determine market viability for a particular business plan. It would also make the process and expense to apply for these grants less costly. I made the statement to move ahead despite the mapping effort only because I fear that the worst would happen and the data will only be available in formats such as in Kentucky and Ohio. Those maps are all but useless when you need to answer complex questions like the number of households not served by broadband but would be under your project proposal. All important information under the grant processes. The statement was meant to say that you can still do it without the national mapping effort and at a much lower cost. This is a very complex issue and difficult to debate the points though email or list format. Out of frustration I hastily sent of a response and did not clearly state my thoughts on the topic. As a mapping geek I could drone on forever about the topic. Thank you very very much for your detailed response. I appreciate the time and effort you put into it. I'm working on combining the LA County GIS data, FCC data, and Census data and wardriving data nto an online solution that folks can play with. Full GIS data from the county (couple gig SHP files) on DVD
Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping
Possibly, but I think it's more likely that the mapping money will go to the states or big academic groups that are doing comprehensive maps over wide geographic areas. Again, it's a wait-and-see sort of thing, since the BTOP guidelines aren't out yet. InLine vickie edwards, MPA | Grant Specialist InLine Connections Solutions Through Technology 600 Lakeshore Pkwy Birmingham AL, 35209 205-278-8106 [p] 205-941-1934[f] vedwa...@inline.com www.InLine.com All Quotes from InLine are only valid for 30 days. This message and any attached files may contain confidential information and are intended solely for the message recipient. If you are not the message recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] NTIA mapping There is a $350 million mapping component set aside under BTOP. Will this funding be available in smaller chunks to successful grantees to map their expanded networks? Will it be available to all wisps to map their existing networks in an effort to add to the overall national BB map? Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping
Chris, It is my understanding that this bill was specifically written for Connected Nation. In a conversation today in Indianapolis I was told that if you divide $350 million by 50 states you get $7,000,000 per state. This is approximately 80% of the $9,000,000 contract they recently signed with Ohio or Tennessee. The 80% number coincidentally matches up with the current thinking on the Broadband Stimulus Grants with 20% coming from the awardees and 80% coming from the Federal Government. If this assumption is correct, it didn't take Connected Nation long to come up with a number to present to the legislators that sponsored the bill. I'm not saying that this funding won't be allocated to other grantees but I have been told that it will be extremely difficult to buck this legislation given the current political clout that Connected Nation seems to have. That is not to say that the states themselves will get control of the funding and will make those decisions separately. Respectfully, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] NTIA mapping There is a $350 million mapping component set aside under BTOP. Will this funding be available in smaller chunks to successful grantees to map their expanded networks? Will it be available to all wisps to map their existing networks in an effort to add to the overall national BB map? Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2082 - Release Date: 04/27/09 06:19:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Amen Rick I've always maintained the thought that the 350 Million was another back door political payback to the Telco and cable companies via Connected Nation. With the fact that this funding gets put out there and then the data never really becomes available because of the NDA's signed, it just smells like a pork barrel project to me. Your explanation just backs up that idea. If you want to map broadband, go to a small organization like myself. We can do the work for tenths of a penny on the dollar these guys are quoting. You just build that cost in to the rest of your stimulus project and move on. Trying to take on Connected Nation is a losing battle. Just step around them and move forward..there are plenty of ways to map the competitive broadband in a market without proprietary data and you can successfully do it to convince the organizations that are handing out money. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:23 PM To: ccoo...@intelliwave.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA mapping Chris, It is my understanding that this bill was specifically written for Connected Nation. In a conversation today in Indianapolis I was told that if you divide $350 million by 50 states you get $7,000,000 per state. This is approximately 80% of the $9,000,000 contract they recently signed with Ohio or Tennessee. The 80% number coincidentally matches up with the current thinking on the Broadband Stimulus Grants with 20% coming from the awardees and 80% coming from the Federal Government. If this assumption is correct, it didn't take Connected Nation long to come up with a number to present to the legislators that sponsored the bill. I'm not saying that this funding won't be allocated to other grantees but I have been told that it will be extremely difficult to buck this legislation given the current political clout that Connected Nation seems to have. That is not to say that the states themselves will get control of the funding and will make those decisions separately. Respectfully, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] NTIA mapping There is a $350 million mapping component set aside under BTOP. Will this funding be available in smaller chunks to successful grantees to map their expanded networks? Will it be available to all wisps to map their existing networks in an effort to add to the overall national BB map? Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2082 - Release Date: 04/27/09 06:19:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Meeting
nevermind, apparently someone doesn't know how to convert time zones. Called the telleconferance and found it starts at 6 PM MST not 5 PM MST Scott - Original Message - From: Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: [WISPA] NTIA Meeting Is anyone able to watch the video, shows off air for me http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/video.html Thought it was supposed to start 12 minutes ago Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Meeting
The PDF shows 4 PM Mountain time which is 3 PM Pacific time. So now it's been changed to 6 PM Mountain (5 PM Pacific)? Scott Piehn wrote: nevermind, apparently someone doesn't know how to convert time zones. Called the telleconferance and found it starts at 6 PM MST not 5 PM MST Scott - Original Message - From: "Scott Piehn" li...@jcwifi.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: [WISPA] NTIA Meeting Is anyone able to watch the video, shows off air for me http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/video.html Thought it was supposed to start 12 minutes ago Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Meeting
I'm getting music now and streaming test text so they are now "On the Air". Jack Unger wrote: The PDF shows 4 PM Mountain time which is 3 PM Pacific time. So now it's been changed to 6 PM Mountain (5 PM Pacific)? Scott Piehn wrote: nevermind, apparently someone doesn't know how to convert time zones. Called the telleconferance and found it starts at 6 PM MST not 5 PM MST Scott - Original Message - From: "Scott Piehn" li...@jcwifi.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: [WISPA] NTIA Meeting Is anyone able to watch the video, shows off air for me http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/video.html Thought it was supposed to start 12 minutes ago Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ntia meeting wed night
this is amazingly worthless. This is just a big ad for what Reservations are doing and how tough things are for them Scott - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] ntia meeting wed night Good grief, aren't ANY of them going to actually answer the questions What a mess. None of them were asked what cool thing they've done with broadband. sigh marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ntia meeting wed night
Yeah. I sure feel for the government guys. This is like talking to first graders. marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ntia meeting wed night this is amazingly worthless. This is just a big ad for what Reservations are doing and how tough things are for them Scott - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] ntia meeting wed night Good grief, aren't ANY of them going to actually answer the questions What a mess. None of them were asked what cool thing they've done with broadband. sigh marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package
Thank you for posting this Kevin. WISPA has already been in contact with NTIA and is in the process of setting up a meeting during this period. Thanks, Rick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Suitor Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:32 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package Folks, Thought you would all like heads up on the attached. The attached notice is scheduled to be published by NTIA in the Federal Register tomorrow, alerting those interested in the ARRA grant program that they can commence scheduling meetings with NTIA staff to be held starting on March 2, 2009. Best Regards, Kevin redline biz card header Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Marketing Business Development 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA Cell: +1 416.508.1252 Phone: +1 905.948.2299 Skype: ksuitor Fax: +1 647.723.0451 e-mail: ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Web: http://www.redlinecommunications.com/ www.redlinecommunications.com Advancing Broadband Wireless - Putting WiMAX in Motion image001.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package
Who is in charge of drafting position statements for presentation to NTIA? Legislative subcommittee? Chris -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package Thank you for posting this Kevin. WISPA has already been in contact with NTIA and is in the process of setting up a meeting during this period. Thanks, Rick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Suitor Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:32 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package Folks, Thought you would all like heads up on the attached. The attached notice is scheduled to be published by NTIA in the Federal Register tomorrow, alerting those interested in the ARRA grant program that they can commence scheduling meetings with NTIA staff to be held starting on March 2, 2009. Best Regards, Kevin redline biz card header Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Marketing Business Development 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA Cell: +1 416.508.1252 Phone: +1 905.948.2299 Skype: ksuitor Fax: +1 647.723.0451 e-mail: ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Web: http://www.redlinecommunications.com/ www.redlinecommunications.com Advancing Broadband Wireless - Putting WiMAX in Motion WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package
In reading the info, is it to determine guidelines for who get the grants or make a presentation to get the grant Scott - Original Message - From: Kevin Suitor To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package Folks, Thought you would all like heads up on the attached. The attached notice is scheduled to be published by NTIA in the Federal Register tomorrow, alerting those interested in the ARRA grant program that they can commence scheduling meetings with NTIA staff to be held starting on March 2, 2009. Best Regards, Kevin Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Marketing Business Development 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA Cell: +1 416.508.1252 Phone: +1 905.948.2299 Skype: ksuitor Fax: +1 647.723.0451 e-mail: ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Web: www.redlinecommunications.com Advancing Broadband Wireless - Putting WiMAX in Motion -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/image001.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package
Scott, These meetins are to discuss implementation of the programs. They are asking for input from interested parties on how they should write the rules. See the highlighted portion of the release below: NTIA is scheduling meetings to afford interested parties the opportunity to discuss implementation of the Broadband Grant Programs as described in the Broadband Data Services Improvement Act and the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. The Broadband Data Services Improvement Act was enacted in October 2008 and directs the Secretary of Commerce to award grants to eligible entities on a competitive basis to assess, identify and track broadband service deployment in each State. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 was enacted in February 2009 and directs NTIA to establish the Broadband Technology Opportunities Program to make grants available on a competitive basis to accelerate and expand broadband deployment. Information about the Broadband Grant Programs will be made available at http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package In reading the info, is it to determine guidelines for who get the grants or make a presentation to get the grant Scott - Original Message - From: Kevin Suitor To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package Folks, Thought you would all like heads up on the attached. The attached notice is scheduled to be published by NTIA in the Federal Register tomorrow, alerting those interested in the ARRA grant program that they can commence scheduling meetings with NTIA staff to be held starting on March 2, 2009. Best Regards, Kevin Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Marketing Business Development 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA Cell: +1 416.508.1252 Phone: +1 905.948.2299 Skype: ksuitor Fax: +1 647.723.0451 e-mail: ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Web: www.redlinecommunications.com Advancing Broadband Wireless - Putting WiMAX in Motion -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA?
IIRC, the NTIA is the Federal Government's FCC. The FCC is for non-federal government. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: [WISPA] NTIA? Doesn't this sound like a mini FCC? http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/aboutntia/aboutntia.htm About the NTIA The National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) is the President's principal adviser on telecommunications and information policy issues, and in this role frequently works with other Executive Branch agencies to develop and present the Administration's position on these issues. Since its creation in 1978, NTIA has been at the cutting edge of critical issues. In addition to representing the Executive Branch in both domestic and international telecommunications and information policy activities, NTIA also manages the Federal use of spectrum; performs cutting-edge telecommunications research and engineering, including resolving technical telecommunications issues for the Federal government and private sector; and administers infrastructure and public telecommunications facilities grants. The telecommunications and information revolution is bringing dramatic growth and change to the nation's economic, social, and political life. As a result, our fundamental mission is to promote market-based policies which lower prices to consumers and encourage innovation, while harnessing the resources of the Federal government to support spectrum-based technologies which enhance efficiency and productivity. *NTIA Line Offices * The *Office of Spectrum Management http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/osmhome.html* (OSM) formulates and establishes plans and policies that ensure the effective, efficient, and equitable use of the spectrum both nationally and internationally. Through the development of long range spectrum plans, the OSM is prepared to address future Federal government spectrum requirements, including public safety operations and the coordination and registration of Federal government satellite networks. The OSM also satisfies the frequency assignment needs of the Federal agencies and provides spectrum certification for new Federal agency radio communication systems. The *Office of Policy Analysis and Development http://www.ntia.doc.gov/opadhome/opadhome.html* (OPAD) is the domestic policy division of the NTIA. OPAD supports NTIA's role as principal adviser to the Executive Branch and the Secretary of Commerce on telecommunications and information policies by conducting research and analysis and preparing policy recommendations. The domestic policy office generates policies that promote innovation, competition, and economic growth for the benefit of American businesses and consumers. The *Office of International Affairs* http://www.ntia.doc.gov/oiahome/oiahome.html (OIA) develops and implements policies to enhance U.S. companies' ability to compete globally in the information technology and communications (ICT) sectors. In consultation with other U.S. agencies and the U.S. private sector, OIA participates in international and regional fora to promote policies that open ICT markets and encourage competition. The *Institute for Telecommunication Sciences* http://www.its.bldrdoc.gov/ (ITS) is the research and engineering laboratory of the NTIA. ITS provides technical support to NTIA in advancing telecommunications and information infrastructure development, enhancing domestic competition, improving U.S. telecommunications trade opportunities, and promoting more efficient and effective use of the radio spectrum. ITS also serves as a principal Federal resource for investigating the telecommunications challenges of other Federal agencies, state and local governments, private corporations and associations, and international organizations. The *Office of Telecommunications and Information Applications* http://www.ntia.doc.gov/otiahome/otiahome.html (OTIA) administers two programs: the /*Technology Opportunities Program*/ http://www.ntia.doc.gov/top (TOP) and the /*Public Telecommunications Facilities Program http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ptfp*/ (PTFP). From 1994 to 2004, TOP provided matching grants to non-profit organizations and state and local governments across the United States to demonstrate innovative applications of advanced telecommunications and information technology. PTFP awards grants to public broadcasting and other noncommercial entities for the purchase of telecommunications equipment. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
RE: [WISPA] NTIA?
The NTIA controls those frequencies used by the feds, including the military. It wields considerable power in protecting those frequencies and has the dominant position versus the FCC. As well, the NTIA does considerable work on the international front, where it works to protect the U.S. militaries use of certain frequencies. For example, when it comes to working within the ITU, it is the NTIA that takes the lead, not the FCC. A specific example of how this has effected the WISP/unlicensed community is 5.4 GHz, where the DoD objections led the NTIA to force the FCC and industry to re-address the DFS issue until the DoD was happy. As you know, this stalled use of the allocation for about 3 years now and has only recently been finally resolved. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] NTIA? Doesn't this sound like a mini FCC? http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/aboutntia/aboutntia.htm About the NTIA The National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) is the President's principal adviser on telecommunications and information policy issues, and in this role frequently works with other Executive Branch agencies to develop and present the Administration's position on these issues. Since its creation in 1978, NTIA has been at the cutting edge of critical issues. In addition to representing the Executive Branch in both domestic and international telecommunications and information policy activities, NTIA also manages the Federal use of spectrum; performs cutting-edge telecommunications research and engineering, including resolving technical telecommunications issues for the Federal government and private sector; and administers infrastructure and public telecommunications facilities grants. The telecommunications and information revolution is bringing dramatic growth and change to the nation's economic, social, and political life. As a result, our fundamental mission is to promote market-based policies which lower prices to consumers and encourage innovation, while harnessing the resources of the Federal government to support spectrum-based technologies which enhance efficiency and productivity. *NTIA Line Offices * The *Office of Spectrum Management http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/osmhome.html* (OSM) formulates and establishes plans and policies that ensure the effective, efficient, and equitable use of the spectrum both nationally and internationally. Through the development of long range spectrum plans, the OSM is prepared to address future Federal government spectrum requirements, including public safety operations and the coordination and registration of Federal government satellite networks. The OSM also satisfies the frequency assignment needs of the Federal agencies and provides spectrum certification for new Federal agency radio communication systems. The *Office of Policy Analysis and Development http://www.ntia.doc.gov/opadhome/opadhome.html* (OPAD) is the domestic policy division of the NTIA. OPAD supports NTIA's role as principal adviser to the Executive Branch and the Secretary of Commerce on telecommunications and information policies by conducting research and analysis and preparing policy recommendations. The domestic policy office generates policies that promote innovation, competition, and economic growth for the benefit of American businesses and consumers. The *Office of International Affairs* http://www.ntia.doc.gov/oiahome/oiahome.html (OIA) develops and implements policies to enhance U.S. companies' ability to compete globally in the information technology and communications (ICT) sectors. In consultation with other U.S. agencies and the U.S. private sector, OIA participates in international and regional fora to promote policies that open ICT markets and encourage competition. The *Institute for Telecommunication Sciences* http://www.its.bldrdoc.gov/ (ITS) is the research and engineering laboratory of the NTIA. ITS provides technical support to NTIA in advancing telecommunications and information infrastructure development, enhancing domestic competition, improving U.S. telecommunications trade opportunities, and promoting more efficient and effective use of the radio spectrum. ITS also serves as a principal Federal resource for investigating the telecommunications challenges of other Federal agencies, state and local governments, private corporations and associations, and international organizations. The *Office of Telecommunications and Information Applications* http://www.ntia.doc.gov/otiahome/otiahome.html (OTIA) administers two programs: the /*Technology Opportunities Program*/ http://www.ntia.doc.gov/top (TOP) and the /*Public Telecommunications
Re: [WISPA] NTIA - Gallagher leaving
A read of Harold Feld's comment and opinion on Gallager leaving, may shed some light on his support of the WISP community. http://www.wetmachine.com/item/400 snip With Gallagher's departure, the last high-level true believer in wireless and advocate for spectrum change has left the administration. As I have written elsewhere, Martin does not view spectrum, either licensed or unlicensed, as a particular priority. Neither do either of the Democrats. While supportive of the promise of unlicensed, they have not pushed for new unlicensed spectrum in a high-profile way. /snip Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us - Original Message - Interesting. Is that good or bad? Was he on our side of the fence or theirs? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] COMMERCE OFFICIAL LEAVING BUSH TEAM [SOURCE: New York Times] via Benton Michael D. Gallagher, the top Bush administration official for telecommunications issues, said on Monday that he had decided to step down early next year. Gallagher, the head of the National Telecommunications and Information Administration at the Commerce Department, has played a major role in negotiations between the wireless industry and the Pentagon over steps to free valuable radio spectrum for use by the industry. He has also led the administration's efforts to beat back proposals by some countries for tighter regulation over the Internet. Earlier this year, Mr. Gallagher was a contender to head the Federal Communications Commission, ultimately losing to Kevin J. Martin. Mr. Gallagher said he would take time off, probably beginning in January, to consider his next career move. He said he expected to remain in Washington. Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martin Names New Wireless Legal Advisor Posted on: 12/02/2005 FCC Chairman Kevin Martin said today Fred Campbell will serve as his legal advisor for wireless issues. Campbell most recently was an attorney advisor in the wireline competition bureau. Before joining the commission, Campbell worked as an attorney for the law firm of Harris, Wiltshire and Grannis, where he addressed legal issues associated with the provisioning of domestic and international telecommunications services. Campbell previously practiced commercial litigation with the law firm of Wolfe Snowden and served as an adjunct faculty member at the University of Nebraska College of Law. Prior to that, he clerked for Judge William M. Connolly of the Nebraska Supreme Court. Campbell has served in the U.S. Army. He also earned his B.A. from the University of the State of New York and his J.D. from the University of Nebraska College of Law. http://www.phoneplusmag.com/hotnews/5ch211017.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA - Gallagher leaving
Interesting. Is that good or bad? Was he on our side of the fence or theirs? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: [WISPA] NTIA - Gallagher leaving COMMERCE OFFICIAL LEAVING BUSH TEAM [SOURCE: New York Times] via Benton Michael D. Gallagher, the top Bush administration official for telecommunications issues, said on Monday that he had decided to step down early next year. Gallagher, the head of the National Telecommunications and Information Administration at the Commerce Department, has played a major role in negotiations between the wireless industry and the Pentagon over steps to free valuable radio spectrum for use by the industry. He has also led the administration's efforts to beat back proposals by some countries for tighter regulation over the Internet. Earlier this year, Mr. Gallagher was a contender to head the Federal Communications Commission, ultimately losing to Kevin J. Martin. Mr. Gallagher said he would take time off, probably beginning in January, to consider his next career move. He said he expected to remain in Washington. Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:17 PM Subject: [WISPA] FCC Martin Names New Wireless Legal Advisor Posted on: 12/02/2005 FCC Chairman Kevin Martin said today Fred Campbell will serve as his legal advisor for wireless issues. Campbell most recently was an attorney advisor in the wireline competition bureau. Before joining the commission, Campbell worked as an attorney for the law firm of Harris, Wiltshire and Grannis, where he addressed legal issues associated with the provisioning of domestic and international telecommunications services. Campbell previously practiced commercial litigation with the law firm of Wolfe Snowden and served as an adjunct faculty member at the University of Nebraska College of Law. Prior to that, he clerked for Judge William M. Connolly of the Nebraska Supreme Court. Campbell has served in the U.S. Army. He also earned his B.A. from the University of the State of New York and his J.D. from the University of Nebraska College of Law. http://www.phoneplusmag.com/hotnews/5ch211017.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
