RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

2007-02-18 Thread Don Annas
Good news (I think).  Trango has found an issue with the M5580 and is
working on a fix.  In the mean time, I have replaced the troubled site with
an older FOX 5800S and all seems to be well.

Here is Trango's update...


Don,

 Unfortunately the solution will take sometime. Looking over the
elog messages the following message has our attention. I am unable to give a
actually ETA because they are in the process of reviewing the problem to
deteremine the issue once the issue is found they have to see how to fix it.

0:17:35.794.560 66 !apPing 5812728

This message appears right before association is lost and indicates that
there was a period when the unit has not received an expected communication
from the AP.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 2:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

I've seen many issues that were fixed by raising the antenna that was
shooting to low over a rooftop...
-RickG

On 2/15/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Interesting...  So it is not a good practice in general to shoot across a
 flat roof without some height on the radio.  In looking at the integrated
 antennal specs, It seemed like I had the clearance but with the power of
the
 radio (being so close), maybe this increases the chance for multi-path?

 - Don

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of chris cooper
 Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:08 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

 We had a similar thing happen to us- our SNR was great, but every so
 often it would just crash.  It was on a flat roof, sled mount that held
 the radio @ 24 off the roof. After trying everything, we raised the
 mount up to @ 4ft and it solved the problem.

 chris
 On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The building the SU is on is not much lower.  It appears to have good
 line
  of site and the signal is a -60 on both sides.  Additionally, when the
 link
  is up, it's perfect.  One thing that I will note is the AP is only a
 few
  feet off the roof and about 12 ft from the edge due to the landlords
  requirements.  Even though, it is clear LOS even an inch off the roof


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Re: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

2007-02-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer

Yeah, me too.  That or LOWER it.  Anything to get out of that bounce.
marlon

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I've seen many issues that were fixed by raising the antenna that was
shooting to low over a rooftop...
-RickG

On 2/15/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Interesting...  So it is not a good practice in general to shoot across a
flat roof without some height on the radio.  In looking at the integrated
antennal specs, It seemed like I had the clearance but with the power of 
the

radio (being so close), maybe this increases the chance for multi-path?

- Don

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of chris cooper
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:08 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

We had a similar thing happen to us- our SNR was great, but every so
often it would just crash.  It was on a flat roof, sled mount that held
the radio @ 24 off the roof. After trying everything, we raised the
mount up to @ 4ft and it solved the problem.

chris
On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The building the SU is on is not much lower.  It appears to have good
line
 of site and the signal is a -60 on both sides.  Additionally, when the
link
 is up, it's perfect.  One thing that I will note is the AP is only a
few
 feet off the roof and about 12 ft from the edge due to the landlords
 requirements.  Even though, it is clear LOS even an inch off the roof


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Re: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

2007-02-18 Thread RickG

Don,
Are they saying this is with all 5580's or just your particular unit?
-RickG

On 2/18/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Good news (I think).  Trango has found an issue with the M5580 and is
working on a fix.  In the mean time, I have replaced the troubled site with
an older FOX 5800S and all seems to be well.

Here is Trango's update...


Don,

 Unfortunately the solution will take sometime. Looking over the
elog messages the following message has our attention. I am unable to give a
actually ETA because they are in the process of reviewing the problem to
deteremine the issue once the issue is found they have to see how to fix it.

0:17:35.794.560 66 !apPing 5812728

This message appears right before association is lost and indicates that
there was a period when the unit has not received an expected communication
from the AP.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 2:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

I've seen many issues that were fixed by raising the antenna that was
shooting to low over a rooftop...
-RickG

On 2/15/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Interesting...  So it is not a good practice in general to shoot across a
 flat roof without some height on the radio.  In looking at the integrated
 antennal specs, It seemed like I had the clearance but with the power of
the
 radio (being so close), maybe this increases the chance for multi-path?

 - Don

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of chris cooper
 Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:08 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

 We had a similar thing happen to us- our SNR was great, but every so
 often it would just crash.  It was on a flat roof, sled mount that held
 the radio @ 24 off the roof. After trying everything, we raised the
 mount up to @ 4ft and it solved the problem.

 chris
 On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The building the SU is on is not much lower.  It appears to have good
 line
  of site and the signal is a -60 on both sides.  Additionally, when the
 link
  is up, it's perfect.  One thing that I will note is the AP is only a
 few
  feet off the roof and about 12 ft from the edge due to the landlords
  requirements.  Even though, it is clear LOS even an inch off the roof


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RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

2007-02-18 Thread Don Annas
All of the 5850s! 

We have tried 2 different units at this site and have seen this issue
before.  I imagine they will release a firmware patch.  Hopefully sooner
than later.

- Don

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

Don,
Are they saying this is with all 5580's or just your particular unit?
-RickG

On 2/18/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Good news (I think).  Trango has found an issue with the M5580 and is
 working on a fix.  In the mean time, I have replaced the troubled site
with
 an older FOX 5800S and all seems to be well.

 Here is Trango's update...

 
 Don,

  Unfortunately the solution will take sometime. Looking over the
 elog messages the following message has our attention. I am unable to give
a
 actually ETA because they are in the process of reviewing the problem to
 deteremine the issue once the issue is found they have to see how to fix
it.

 0:17:35.794.560 66 !apPing 5812728

 This message appears right before association is lost and indicates that
 there was a period when the unit has not received an expected
communication
 from the AP.



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 2:08 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

 I've seen many issues that were fixed by raising the antenna that was
 shooting to low over a rooftop...
 -RickG

 On 2/15/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Interesting...  So it is not a good practice in general to shoot across
a
  flat roof without some height on the radio.  In looking at the
integrated
  antennal specs, It seemed like I had the clearance but with the power of
 the
  radio (being so close), maybe this increases the chance for multi-path?
 
  - Don
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of chris cooper
  Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:08 AM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range
 
  We had a similar thing happen to us- our SNR was great, but every so
  often it would just crash.  It was on a flat roof, sled mount that held
  the radio @ 24 off the roof. After trying everything, we raised the
  mount up to @ 4ft and it solved the problem.
 
  chris
  On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   The building the SU is on is not much lower.  It appears to have good
  line
   of site and the signal is a -60 on both sides.  Additionally, when the
  link
   is up, it's perfect.  One thing that I will note is the AP is only a
  few
   feet off the roof and about 12 ft from the edge due to the landlords
   requirements.  Even though, it is clear LOS even an inch off the roof
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

2007-02-17 Thread RickG

I've seen many issues that were fixed by raising the antenna that was
shooting to low over a rooftop...
-RickG

On 2/15/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Interesting...  So it is not a good practice in general to shoot across a
flat roof without some height on the radio.  In looking at the integrated
antennal specs, It seemed like I had the clearance but with the power of the
radio (being so close), maybe this increases the chance for multi-path?

- Don

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of chris cooper
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:08 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

We had a similar thing happen to us- our SNR was great, but every so
often it would just crash.  It was on a flat roof, sled mount that held
the radio @ 24 off the roof. After trying everything, we raised the
mount up to @ 4ft and it solved the problem.

chris
On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The building the SU is on is not much lower.  It appears to have good
line
 of site and the signal is a -60 on both sides.  Additionally, when the
link
 is up, it's perfect.  One thing that I will note is the AP is only a
few
 feet off the roof and about 12 ft from the edge due to the landlords
 requirements.  Even though, it is clear LOS even an inch off the roof


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RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

2007-02-15 Thread Don Annas
Thank you Rick.  I did fire the question to the Trango forum as well.  Not
many replies as of yet.

Jeff over at Slingshot wireless engaged Tino w/ Trango about the issue for
us.  Jeff thought it might be worth while to change the polarity from
horizontal to vertical to see if that helped so we made that change
yesterday evening.  The site survey now has us running on 5736 V  which
shoes a peak noise floor of -97 and -91 on the adjacent channels.  Looks to
be wide open just like the H plain.  

- Don

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Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

I had another one do the same thing. It ended up being EMF from a
nearby A/C unit. I noticed it dropped out when the A/C went on. Once I
moved the unit far enough away things worked properly. Otherwide, the
only other thing I can think of is a power issue. Of course there are
other guys on this list who I'm sure can come up with some ideas.
Whcih reminds me, did you try Trango's discussin list?

On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The building the SU is on is not much lower.  It appears to have good line
 of site and the signal is a -60 on both sides.  Additionally, when the
link
 is up, it's perfect.  One thing that I will note is the AP is only a few
 feet off the roof and about 12 ft from the edge due to the landlords
 requirements.  Even though, it is clear LOS even an inch off the roof

 - Don

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 Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:45 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

 How high is the AP? Maybe your under the signal.
 Can you install another SU for testing purposes further away?

 On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Yes, running the beta on the SU and AP.
 
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  Behalf Of RickG
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:54 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range
 
  When you say your running the latest firmware does that mean the beta
  su fw? I had one doing the same thing and the beta fixed it.
 
  On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   We are running the Trango units (fairly successfully) at most of our
   locations.  We have a new client that we turned up about a week ago.
 This
   is a new AP and this is the only client on that AP.  The distance is
   literally across the street and we have a fantastic signal.  The
 loopback
   tests shows a perfect connection with no packet loss at all.
  
  
  
   The problem…  For an unknown reason, this unit is dropping out of
   registration for 12-25 minutes on an average of once per day.  There
is
   nothing common about the time of day that it drops.  We have ran
surveys
   before, during, and after this loss of association, and the noise
floor
  and
   surrounding channels show a peak of a -90 or better.
  
  
  
   We are running the latest firmware on the AP and the SU.
  
   We have replaced the SU with one running a slightly older firmware.
  
   We have played with some of the power settings.
  
  
  
   … and still no luck with this issue.
  
  
  
   Are their any tricks or best practices for a link this close?  Is
their
 a
   solution that I would not have this problem with.  This customer needs
a
   minimum of 5mb up and 5mb down and will be scaling to 10mb in about 2
   months.
  
  
  
   Thanks.
  
  
  
  
  
   _
  
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RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

2007-02-15 Thread chris cooper
We had a similar thing happen to us- our SNR was great, but every so
often it would just crash.  It was on a flat roof, sled mount that held
the radio @ 24 off the roof. After trying everything, we raised the
mount up to @ 4ft and it solved the problem.

chris
On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The building the SU is on is not much lower.  It appears to have good
line
 of site and the signal is a -60 on both sides.  Additionally, when the
link
 is up, it's perfect.  One thing that I will note is the AP is only a
few
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 requirements.  Even though, it is clear LOS even an inch off the roof


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RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

2007-02-15 Thread Don Annas
I haven't given much thought to that as these radios are on the roof and
pretty well insulated from the inner offices.  If the 5.8 phones are causing
issues with a link less than 100yrds apart, I need to just start pulling
fiber :-)  Like you, I have seen that issue with 2.4 systems before.

- D

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Have you considered the possibility of a 5.8 GHz cordless phone in the area?
I know we have seen this issue in the 2.4 GHz range when someone nearby
would get on the cordless handset.  

Todd Barber
Skylink Broadband Internet
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Don Annas
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:27 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Cc: 'Tim McCrickard'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

OK, changing from H to V polarity didn't seem to work.  We just had another
drop that lasted about 2 minutes.  I just sent one of our engineers to a
local distributor about an hour away to buy a Canopy AP and SU.  We are out
of spare tires with this customer.  I'm really disappointed with the luck we
have had with the Trango FOX units so far.

- Don

Syslog:
# syslog
  0 0:00:00:04.898 [1] [ATTN] batchd started
  1 0:00:00:05.235 [1] rcd: start
  2 0:00:00:08.595 [1] Init of mod_trango_reg
  3 0:00:00:09.303 [1] telnetd is disabled
  4 0:00:00:14.865 [1] snmpset chch 8
  5 0:00:00:14.876 [1] snmpset ant h
  6 0:00:00:14.876 [1] snmpset power 22
  7 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset scantable
  8 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset httpd switch = 1
  9 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset pppoeonly = 0
 10 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset bcast = 1
 11 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset tcp_ap = 1
 12 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset tcp_su = 1
 13 0:00:00:17.471 [1] [ATTN] System Settings loaded
 14 0:00:00:17.539 [1] rcd: system settings are available
 15 0:00:00:17.539 [1] batchd: system settings are available
 16 0:00:00:17.539 [1] Success to set rssi vector from flash: 132 -439 132
-439
 17 0:00:00:17.539 [1] 48 entries in power table
 18 0:00:00:17.550 [1] Operate in legacy mode
 19 0:00:00:17.550 [1] batchd: start shelld
 20 0:00:00:17.550 [1] telnetport = 23
 21 0:00:00:17.584 [1] ch = 8, ant = 1
 22 0:00:00:17.584 [1] batchd: rx_fifo_err_thr = 100
 23 0:00:00:17.584 [1] batchd: boa 2
 24 0:00:00:17.606 [1] batchd: start boa
 25 0:00:00:17.617 [1] httpport = 80
 26 0:00:00:17.640 [1] ch = 8, ant = 1
 27 0:00:00:17.640 [1] Skip update power at 0 MHz.
 28 0:00:00:17.640 [1] batchd: boa 1
 29 0:00:00:17.651 [1] set_br_param cmd=21 value=1
 30 0:00:00:22.719 [1] freq 5736  power 22  pa 44 78 78 83 93 9E
 31 0:00:00:50.539 [1] utype = 0
 32 0:00:00:50.539 [1] set_br_param cmd=22 value=1
 33 0:00:00:50.550 [1] set_br_param cmd=23 value=1
 34 0:00:00:50.550 [1] set_br_param cmd=20 value=0
 35 0:00:00:54.539 [1] Associated
 36 0:06:35:50.134 [1] Disconnected
 37 0:07:09:41.696 [1] Associated
 38 0:07:11:19.022 [1] Disconnected
 39 0:07:12:22.224 [1] Associated
 40 0:07:14:18.067 [1] snmpset scantable
 41 0:07:14:18.067 [1] snmpset chch 6
 42 0:07:14:18.067 [1] snmpset ant h
 43 0:07:14:18.067 [1] snmpset power 22
 44 0:07:14:18.067 [1] ch = 6, ant = 1
 45 0:07:14:19.089 [1] freq 5736  power 22  pa 44 78 78 83 93 9E
 46 0:07:14:20.235 [1] freq 5836  power 22  pa 64 7D 7D 8A 98 A3
 47 0:07:14:20.235 [1] Disconnected
 48 0:07:14:41.853 [1] Associated
 49 1:12:49:53.337 [1] Disconnected
 50 1:13:13:07.573 [1] Associated
 51 1:13:21:52.022 [1] freq 5836  power 19  pa 37 6C 6C 77 84 90
 52 1:14:33:07.134 [1] freq 5836  power 15  pa 1 58 58 62 6E 7A
 53 2:03:09:55.842 [1] Disconnected
 54 2:03:24:39.404 [1] Associated
 55 2:03:24:45.730 [1] freq 5836  power 19  pa 37 6C 6C 77 84 90
 56 2:03:25:33.775 [1] Disconnected
 57 2:03:29:02.101 [1] Associated
 58 2:03:30:06.382 [1] snmpset scantable
 59 2:03:30:06.393 [1] snmpset chch 1
 60 2:03:30:06.393 [1] snmpset ant v
 61 2:03:30:06.393 [1] snmpset power 22
 62 2:03:30:06.404 [1] ch = 1, ant = 0
 63 2:03:30:06.921 [1] freq 5836  power 22  pa 64 7D 7D 8A 98 A3
 64 2:03:30:08.539 [1] freq 5736  power 22  pa 44 78 78 83 93 9E
 65 2:03:30:08.539 [1] Disconnected
 66 2:03:30:42.426 [1] Associated
 67 2:03:30:48.764 [1] freq 5736  power 19  pa 22 66 66 72 7F 8B
 68 2:03:30:50.000 [1] freq 5736  power 16  pa 1 57 57 62 6E 7A
 69 2:03:33:11.157 [1] freq 5736  power 19  pa 22 66 66 72 7F 8B
 70 2:03:33:12.292 [1] freq 5736  power 22  pa 44 78 78 83 93 9E
 71 2:15:54:42.494 [1] freq 5736  power 18  pa 15 61 61 6D 79 85
 72 2:15:54:43.550 [1] freq 5736  power 14  pa -8 4D 4D 58 64 70
 73 2:19:59:45.101 [1] Disconnected
 74 2:20:02:15.303 [1] Associated
Success.

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Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:33 AM

RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

2007-02-14 Thread Don Annas
Yes, running the beta on the SU and AP.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

When you say your running the latest firmware does that mean the beta
su fw? I had one doing the same thing and the beta fixed it.

On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We are running the Trango units (fairly successfully) at most of our
 locations.  We have a new client that we turned up about a week ago.  This
 is a new AP and this is the only client on that AP.  The distance is
 literally across the street and we have a fantastic signal.  The loopback
 tests shows a perfect connection with no packet loss at all.



 The problem…  For an unknown reason, this unit is dropping out of
 registration for 12-25 minutes on an average of once per day.  There is
 nothing common about the time of day that it drops.  We have ran surveys
 before, during, and after this loss of association, and the noise floor
and
 surrounding channels show a peak of a -90 or better.



 We are running the latest firmware on the AP and the SU.

 We have replaced the SU with one running a slightly older firmware.

 We have played with some of the power settings.



 … and still no luck with this issue.



 Are their any tricks or best practices for a link this close?  Is their a
 solution that I would not have this problem with.  This customer needs a
 minimum of 5mb up and 5mb down and will be scaling to 10mb in about 2
 months.



 Thanks.





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Re: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

2007-02-14 Thread RickG

How high is the AP? Maybe your under the signal.
Can you install another SU for testing purposes further away?

On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yes, running the beta on the SU and AP.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

When you say your running the latest firmware does that mean the beta
su fw? I had one doing the same thing and the beta fixed it.

On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We are running the Trango units (fairly successfully) at most of our
 locations.  We have a new client that we turned up about a week ago.  This
 is a new AP and this is the only client on that AP.  The distance is
 literally across the street and we have a fantastic signal.  The loopback
 tests shows a perfect connection with no packet loss at all.



 The problem…  For an unknown reason, this unit is dropping out of
 registration for 12-25 minutes on an average of once per day.  There is
 nothing common about the time of day that it drops.  We have ran surveys
 before, during, and after this loss of association, and the noise floor
and
 surrounding channels show a peak of a -90 or better.



 We are running the latest firmware on the AP and the SU.

 We have replaced the SU with one running a slightly older firmware.

 We have played with some of the power settings.



 … and still no luck with this issue.



 Are their any tricks or best practices for a link this close?  Is their a
 solution that I would not have this problem with.  This customer needs a
 minimum of 5mb up and 5mb down and will be scaling to 10mb in about 2
 months.



 Thanks.





 _

 Don Annas

 336.510.3800 x111

 336.510.3801 fax

 HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]

 HYPERLINK http://www.triadtelecom.com/www.TriadTelecom.com

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RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

2007-02-14 Thread Don Annas
The building the SU is on is not much lower.  It appears to have good line
of site and the signal is a -60 on both sides.  Additionally, when the link
is up, it's perfect.  One thing that I will note is the AP is only a few
feet off the roof and about 12 ft from the edge due to the landlords
requirements.  Even though, it is clear LOS even an inch off the roof

- Don

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

How high is the AP? Maybe your under the signal.
Can you install another SU for testing purposes further away?

On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, running the beta on the SU and AP.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:54 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

 When you say your running the latest firmware does that mean the beta
 su fw? I had one doing the same thing and the beta fixed it.

 On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  We are running the Trango units (fairly successfully) at most of our
  locations.  We have a new client that we turned up about a week ago.
This
  is a new AP and this is the only client on that AP.  The distance is
  literally across the street and we have a fantastic signal.  The
loopback
  tests shows a perfect connection with no packet loss at all.
 
 
 
  The problem…  For an unknown reason, this unit is dropping out of
  registration for 12-25 minutes on an average of once per day.  There is
  nothing common about the time of day that it drops.  We have ran surveys
  before, during, and after this loss of association, and the noise floor
 and
  surrounding channels show a peak of a -90 or better.
 
 
 
  We are running the latest firmware on the AP and the SU.
 
  We have replaced the SU with one running a slightly older firmware.
 
  We have played with some of the power settings.
 
 
 
  … and still no luck with this issue.
 
 
 
  Are their any tricks or best practices for a link this close?  Is their
a
  solution that I would not have this problem with.  This customer needs a
  minimum of 5mb up and 5mb down and will be scaling to 10mb in about 2
  months.
 
 
 
  Thanks.
 
 
 
 
 
  _
 
  Don Annas
 
  336.510.3800 x111
 
  336.510.3801 fax
 
  HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  HYPERLINK http://www.triadtelecom.com/www.TriadTelecom.com
 
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