Re: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing?
What are they doing at the FCC??Can you point me to a few links or otherwise enlighten me?On Feb 10, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I know I work with EC. And I know people like Canopy. I know I'm only supposed to say nice things. But Motorola is STILL working hard at the FCC level to hamstring this industry. I'll not support them unless there are no other choices. I won't even use a moto cell phone at this point, I'm so discussed with what they've been doing at the FCC. Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices1 suggestion, Last Mile Gear Canopy Advantage Omni Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.aeronetpr.com787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:17 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Need coverage in 3 different directions. And trango ap's only come with 60* sectors. Plus, they'll likely put in some video surveillance and that will need lots of capacity so we're heading off any likely bw issues. Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:05 AMSubject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices Why 3 APs ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.aeronetpr.com787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:03 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Hiya Johnny, This is a casino. The security and reliability requirements rule out any 802.11 type gear. Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices I would strongly suggest looking at Mikrotik for the following reasons.#1 - Pricing - very inexpensive to maintain and swap out equipment in the event of a failure#2 - You can provide them up to 36meg connectivity for the same pricing anyone can offer then 10megs#3 - Ease of replacementsYou can also provide them Wi-Fi connectivity with a MT Based system for laptops in between the properties if they desire. The reason I suggest MT is the amount of flexibility and options you can tack are are far superior to any proprietory solution out there you can get your hands on. JohnnyOOn Fri, 2006-02-10 at 09:57 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I've been asked to provide a network for a complex of buildings. They like the ease of deployment and flexibility of a Trango based network. I'll lock them into a 3 year contract that will match the time frame I'll need for a bank loan for the hardware. I'll need to put in 3 ap's and 4 cpe units. As well as battery backup units all installation work etc. Additional cpe is possible but not guaranteed in the future. My question is, what do I charge for this? I can handle the monthly part but I've never put a service contract on a wlan before. Used to do it in my copier days all the time so I understand the concept. Just need some help with the numbers. The site is about 1.5 hours from me, and that far from anyone else that knows anything about anything too. I believe that the contract price should be tied to cpe deployed. Too low and any repair work, device failures etc. will kill me. Too high and I'll loose the deal. What's standard in the industry? As I'll be using Trango I'll hopefully be giving them 8 to 9 megs of throughput (all sites are within 1/8th of a mile) from
RE: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing?
The Cellular Sector is pushing for licensing the 3.65 band You got to understand that MOTO is huge organization not like other Manufacturers. And The Cellular Division is pushing for licensing the 3.65 band so they can sell more BTS to the Cell operators.AFAIK, the Canopy group has nothing to do with this since they are on another Division Sometimes your right hand doesnt know what the left is doing Not the case with smaller guys like Trango, which only serve a handful of markets Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing? What are they doing at the FCC?? Can you point me to a few links or otherwise enlighten me? On Feb 10, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I know I work with EC. And I know people like Canopy. I know I'm only supposed to say nice things. But Motorola is STILL working hard at the FCC level to hamstring this industry. I'll not support them unless there are no other choices. I won't even use a moto cell phone at this point, I'm so discussed with what they've been doing at the FCC. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices 1 suggestion, Last Mile Gear Canopy Advantage Omni Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Need coverage in 3 different directions. And trango ap's only come with 60* sectors. Plus, they'll likely put in some video surveillance and that will need lots of capacity so we're heading off any likely bw issues. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices Why 3 APs ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Hiya Johnny, This is a casino. The security and reliability requirements rule out any 802.11 type gear. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices I would strongly suggest looking at Mikrotik for the following reasons. #1 - Pricing - very inexpensive to maintain and swap out equipment in the event of a failure #2 - You can provide them up to 36meg connectivity for the same pricing anyone can offer then 10megs #3 - Ease of replacements You can also provide them Wi-Fi connectivity with a MT Based system for laptops in between the properties if they desire. The reason I suggest MT is the amount of flexibility and options you can tack are are far superior to any proprietory solution out there you can get your hands on. JohnnyO On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 09:57 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I've been asked to provide a network for a complex of buildings. They like the ease of deployment and flexibility of a Trango based network. I'll lock them into a 3 year contract that will match the time frame I'll need for a bank loan for the hardware. I'll need to put in 3 ap's and 4 cpe units. As well as battery backup units all installation work etc. Additional cpe is possible but not guaranteed in the future. My question is, what do I charge for this? I can handle the monthly part but I've never put a service contract on a wlan before. Used to do it in my copier days all the time so I
Re: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing?
Ok, Thanks.I use to work for a large corp., they seem to like to shoot their own feet off.On Feb 10, 2006, at 1:24 PM, G.Villarini wrote: The Cellular Sector is pushing for licensing the 3.65 band… You got to understand that MOTO is huge organization not like other Manufacturers. And The Cellular Division is pushing for licensing the 3.65 band so they can sell more BTS to the Cell operators….AFAIK, the Canopy group has nothing to do with this since they are on another Division… Sometimes your right hand doesn’t know what the left is doing …Not the case with smaller guys like Trango, which only serve a handful of markets Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.aeronetpr.com787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing? What are they doing at the FCC?? Can you point me to a few links or otherwise enlighten me? On Feb 10, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:I know I work with EC. And I know people like Canopy. I know I'm only supposed to say nice things. But Motorola is STILL working hard at the FCC level to hamstring this industry. I'll not support them unless there are no other choices. I won't even use a moto cell phone at this point, I'm so discussed with what they've been doing at the FCC. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices 1 suggestion, Last Mile Gear Canopy Advantage Omni Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Need coverage in 3 different directions. And trango ap's only come with 60* sectors. Plus, they'll likely put in some video surveillance and that will need lots of capacity so we're heading off any likely bw issues. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam- Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices Why 3 APs ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Hiya Johnny, This is a casino. The security and reliability requirements rule out any 802.11 type gear. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam- Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices I would strongly suggest looking at Mikrotik for the following reasons. #1 - Pricing - very inexpensive to maintain and swap out equipment in the event of a failure #2 - You can provide them up to 36meg connectivity for the same pricing anyone can offer then 10megs #3 - Ease of replacements You can also provide them Wi-Fi connectivity with a MT Based system for laptops in between the properties if they desire. The reason I suggest MT is the amount of flexibility and options you can tack are are far superior to any proprietory solution out there you can get your hands on. JohnnyO On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 09:57 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I've been asked to provide a network for a complex of buildings. They like the ease of deployment and flexibility of a Trango based network. I'll lock them into a 3 year contract that will match the time frame I'll need for a bank loan for the hardware. I'll need to put in 3 ap's and 4 cpe units. As well as battery backup units all installation work etc. Additional cpe is possible but not guaranteed in the future. My question is, what do I charge for this? I can handle the monthly part but I've never put a service contract on a wlan before. Used to do it in my copier days all the time so I understand the concept. Just need some help with the numbers. The site
Re: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing?
They know cause I've told them :-). There are issues in the 700 band too. EVERY filing has been against unlicensed. laters, Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: RE: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing? The Cellular Sector is pushing for licensing the 3.65 band You got to understand that MOTO is huge organization not like other Manufacturers. And The Cellular Division is pushing for licensing the 3.65 band so they can sell more BTS to the Cell operators .AFAIK, the Canopy group has nothing to do with this since they are on another Division Sometimes your right hand doesnt know what the left is doing Not the case with smaller guys like Trango, which only serve a handful of markets Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan PetermannSent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:16 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing? What are they doing at the FCC?? Can you point me to a few links or otherwise enlighten me? On Feb 10, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I know I work with EC. And I know people like Canopy. I know I'm only supposed to say nice things. But Motorola is STILL working hard at the FCC level to hamstring this industry. I'll not support them unless there are no other choices. I won't even use a moto cell phone at this point, I'm so discussed with what they've been doing at the FCC. Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices 1 suggestion, Last Mile Gear Canopy Advantage Omni Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:17 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Need coverage in 3 different directions. And trango ap's only come with 60* sectors. Plus, they'll likely put in some video surveillance and that will need lots of capacity so we're heading off any likely bw issues. Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices Why 3 APs ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:03 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Hiya Johnny, This is a casino. The security and reliability requirements rule out any 802.11 type gear. Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices I would strongly suggest looking at Mikrotik for the following reasons.#1
RE: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing?
Surely they know, but there isnt much they can do when the Cell div. pulls x100 more $ than the Canopy Div. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 5:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing? They know cause I've told them :-). There are issues in the 700 band too. EVERY filing has been against unlicensed. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: RE: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing? The Cellular Sector is pushing for licensing the 3.65 band You got to understand that MOTO is huge organization not like other Manufacturers. And The Cellular Division is pushing for licensing the 3.65 band so they can sell more BTS to the Cell operators.AFAIK, the Canopy group has nothing to do with this since they are on another Division Sometimes your right hand doesnt know what the left is doing Not the case with smaller guys like Trango, which only serve a handful of markets Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing? What are they doing at the FCC?? Can you point me to a few links or otherwise enlighten me? On Feb 10, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I know I work with EC. And I know people like Canopy. I know I'm only supposed to say nice things. But Motorola is STILL working hard at the FCC level to hamstring this industry. I'll not support them unless there are no other choices. I won't even use a moto cell phone at this point, I'm so discussed with what they've been doing at the FCC. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices 1 suggestion, Last Mile Gear Canopy Advantage Omni Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Need coverage in 3 different directions. And trango ap's only come with 60* sectors. Plus, they'll likely put in some video surveillance and that will need lots of capacity so we're heading off any likely bw issues. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices Why 3 APs ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Hiya Johnny, This is a casino. The security and reliability requirements rule out any 802.11 type gear. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices I would strongly suggest looking at Mikrotik for the following reasons. #1 - Pricing - very inexpensive to maintain and swap out equipment in the event of a failure #2 - You can provide them up to 36meg
