date:20210120

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi 6E Branding Rant

2021-01-20 Thread Carlo Terminiello

Hi,

 

Let’s be honest, the requirement for a brand are being defined by the technical 
marketing leads so we end up with numbers and confusion, until someone embraces 
a consumer/customer centric naming convention confusion will reign.  Remember 
the alternative is these standards get named things like “Orange” “O2” “Scion” 
“Lollipop” etc…

 

Which is worst?

 

C

 

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 on behalf of Samuel Clements 

Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 

Date: Wednesday, 20 January 2021 at 16:10
To: 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi 6E Branding Rant

 

I concur - it's a messy situation, and one that's not made any better by the 
likes of AT (5Ge anyone?). If I had a nickel for everyone that thought that 
5Ge was 5G and/or that Wi-Fi 6 was 6GHz, I'd have a whole ton of nickels... I'm 
not sure that Wi-Fi 7 representing 6GHz would have been much better - all the 
5s and 6s are bound to be confusing - and making the 7 mean 6 would just 
exacerbate the problem for a non technical crowd anyway. I mean, these are the 
same people that can't understand why 802.11 amendments are lower case - and 
why 802.1X is okay. Technical people gonna technical...

  -Sam

 

On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 8:40 AM Jennifer Minella  wrote:

LOL. You’re not wrong… it’s a tough challenge. It *is* still WiFi 6 (802.11ax) 
so WiFi 7 would be confusing. I think the best way I’ve seen it consistently 
used with non-Wi-Fi pros is to call it “WiFi 6- Extended” meaning it’s extended 
in to other RF spectrum. That’s not official but I think even Chuck uses that 
moniker for it. 

 

The more common confusion we run in to is people thinking the “6” in WiFi 6E 
means 6GHz. 

 

I’m sure other folks here have some additional ideas for keeping it straight 
for non-WiFI peeps. As for us, we just constantly re-iterate what 6E is (and 
isn’t) pretty much every time the phrase comes out of our mouths, even if that 
means multiple times in a webinar, Tech Talk, or client meeting. 

 

You’re in good company with your frustration though 

-jj

 

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j...@cadinc.com

919.460.1313 Main Office

919.539.2726 Mobile/text 

 

From: Green, William C  
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 6:52 PM
Subject: Wi-Fi 6E Branding Rant

 



"Wi-Fi 6E” is not a good branding for what 6GHz provides, in my personal 
opinion.  I hope the Wi-Fi Alliance reconsiders.

 

I've been discussing Wi-Fi 6E in my organization for over a year-- and nobody 
can keep that “E” in their heads.  They constantly confuse "Wi-Fi 6" as the 
same as "Wi-Fi 6E" in meetings, products, and strategies.   The whole point of 
the Alliance branding was to make things more understandable to non-technical 
audiences right?  Doesn’t 6 vs 6E fly in the face of that?  I’m not good at 
naming things, so am use to recognizing branding failures like this.

 

I understand most of the underlying technology is the same-- other than 6GHz 
capability.  Most people don't care about the underlying technology unless it 
accomplishes something they need.  6GHz is a once in a generation 
differentiator that will enable far more than the changes from 802.11ac to 
802.11ax, which was deserving of a new number.  Not having that capability 
reflected in a more differentiated branding is causing and will continue to 
cause unneeded confusion.  

 

I understand the Alliance has already placed a lot into marketing of the term 
"Wi-Fi 6E", but that's sunk cost.  Pick a new branding.  Perhaps, Wi-Fi 7.  You 
can leave all 6E materials and just say its the same thing as Wi-Fi 7.  Have 
everything in the futures pipeline do a +1 on their PowerPoints.  Will the 
Alliance incur some ridicule, yes, but less than continuing with 6E in my 
personal opinion.

 

Do I think this rant will change anything?  No.  But naming a frustration is 
sometimes useful for dealing with it.  I’m moving on.



--
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The University of Texas at Austin | ITS | 512-475-9295 | gr...@austin.utexas.edu

 

 

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi 6E Branding Rant

2021-01-20 Thread Samuel Clements

I concur - it's a messy situation, and one that's not made any better by
the likes of AT (5Ge anyone?). If I had a nickel for everyone that
thought that 5Ge was 5G and/or that Wi-Fi 6 was 6GHz, I'd have a whole ton
of nickels... I'm not sure that Wi-Fi 7 representing 6GHz would have been
much better - all the 5s and 6s are bound to be confusing - and making the
7 mean 6 would just exacerbate the problem for a non technical crowd
anyway. I mean, these are the same people that can't understand why 802.11
amendments are lower case - and why 802.1X is okay. Technical people gonna
technical...
  -Sam

On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 8:40 AM Jennifer Minella  wrote:

> LOL. You’re not wrong… it’s a tough challenge. It **is** still WiFi 6
> (802.11ax) so WiFi 7 would be confusing. I think the best way I’ve seen it
> consistently used with non-Wi-Fi pros is to call it “WiFi 6- Extended”
> meaning it’s extended in to other RF spectrum. That’s not official but I
> think even Chuck uses that moniker for it.
>
>
>
> The more common confusion we run in to is people thinking the “6” in WiFi
> 6E means 6GHz.
>
>
>
> I’m sure other folks here have some additional ideas for keeping it
> straight for non-WiFI peeps. As for us, we just constantly re-iterate what
> 6E is (and isn’t) pretty much every time the phrase comes out of our
> mouths, even if that means multiple times in a webinar, Tech Talk, or
> client meeting.
>
>
>
> You’re in good company with your frustration though 
>
> -jj
>
>
>
> ___
>
> *Jennifer Minella*, CISSP, HP MASE
>
> VP of Engineering & Security
>
> Carolina Advanced Digital, Inc.
>
> www.cadinc.com
>
> j...@cadinc.com
>
> 919.460.1313 Main Office
>
> 919.539.2726 Mobile/text
>
> [image: CAD LOGO EMAIL SIG]
>
>
>
> *From:* Green, William C 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2021 6:52 PM
> *Subject:* Wi-Fi 6E Branding Rant
>
>
>
> 
>
> "Wi-Fi 6E” is not a good branding for what 6GHz provides, in my personal
> opinion.  I hope the Wi-Fi Alliance reconsiders.
>
>
>
> I've been discussing Wi-Fi 6E in my organization for over a year-- and
> nobody can keep that “E” in their heads.  They constantly confuse "Wi-Fi 6"
> as the same as "Wi-Fi 6E" in meetings, products, and strategies.   The
> whole point of the Alliance branding was to make things more understandable
> to non-technical audiences right?  Doesn’t 6 vs 6E fly in the face of
> that?  I’m not good at naming things, so am use to recognizing branding
> failures like this.
>
>
>
> I understand most of the underlying technology is the same-- other than
> 6GHz capability.  Most people don't care about the underlying technology
> unless it accomplishes something they need.  6GHz is a once in a generation
> differentiator that will enable far more than the changes from 802.11ac to
> 802.11ax, which was deserving of a new number.  Not having that capability
> reflected in a more differentiated branding is causing and will continue to
> cause unneeded confusion.
>
>
>
> I understand the Alliance has already placed a lot into marketing of the
> term "Wi-Fi 6E", but that's sunk cost.  Pick a new branding.  Perhaps,
> Wi-Fi 7.  You can leave all 6E materials and just say its the same thing as
> Wi-Fi 7.  Have everything in the futures pipeline do a +1 on their
> PowerPoints.  Will the Alliance incur some ridicule, yes, but less than
> continuing with 6E in my personal opinion.
>
>
>
> Do I think this rant will change anything?  No.  But naming a frustration
> is sometimes useful for dealing with it.  I’m moving on.
>
> 
>
> --
> *William Green*, Director of Networking and Telecommunications
> The University of Texas at Austin | ITS | 512-475-9295 |
> gr...@austin.utexas.edu 
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Wi-Fi 6E Branding Rant

2021-01-20 Thread Jason Healy

> it’s a tough challenge. It *is* still WiFi 6 (802.11ax) so WiFi 7 would be 
> confusing.

I would argue that the whole point of the "5, 6, 7" branding was to make it 
easier for consumers to understand if their gear will interoperate.  In that 
respect, I think the added channels absolutely warrant a new number.  Its the 
same on a physical encoding level, but the expanded frequencies mean it's 
entirely different equipment.  For the average user, they don't care if it's a 
different QAM encoding, newer encryption, or an expanded channel range.  They 
just want to know what works with other stuff.  There are plenty of numbers to 
choose from, so why be stingy about moving to another version?

Unless a software patch can upgrade your existing equipment to the new 
standard, the version deserves a new number.

Jason

--
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.   Suffield Academy Opatrny Chair in Technology
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi 6E Branding Rant

2021-01-20 Thread Lee H Badman

This is what the Wi-Fi Alliance spends their time doing, rather than testing 
actual interoperability and doing anything to harmonize the very fragmented, 
hyper-proprietary client space. Pffft.

Lee Badman (mobile)

On Jan 20, 2021, at 9:38 AM, Jennifer Minella  wrote:


LOL. You’re not wrong… it’s a tough challenge. It *is* still WiFi 6 (802.11ax) 
so WiFi 7 would be confusing. I think the best way I’ve seen it consistently 
used with non-Wi-Fi pros is to call it “WiFi 6- Extended” meaning it’s extended 
in to other RF spectrum. That’s not official but I think even Chuck uses that 
moniker for it.

The more common confusion we run in to is people thinking the “6” in WiFi 6E 
means 6GHz.

I’m sure other folks here have some additional ideas for keeping it straight 
for non-WiFI peeps. As for us, we just constantly re-iterate what 6E is (and 
isn’t) pretty much every time the phrase comes out of our mouths, even if that 
means multiple times in a webinar, Tech Talk, or client meeting.

You’re in good company with your frustration though 
-jj

___
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VP of Engineering & Security
Carolina Advanced Digital, Inc.
www.cadinc.com
j...@cadinc.com
919.460.1313 Main Office
919.539.2726 Mobile/text


From: Green, William C 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 6:52 PM
Subject: Wi-Fi 6E Branding Rant


"Wi-Fi 6E” is not a good branding for what 6GHz provides, in my personal 
opinion.  I hope the Wi-Fi Alliance reconsiders.

I've been discussing Wi-Fi 6E in my organization for over a year-- and nobody 
can keep that “E” in their heads.  They constantly confuse "Wi-Fi 6" as the 
same as "Wi-Fi 6E" in meetings, products, and strategies.   The whole point of 
the Alliance branding was to make things more understandable to non-technical 
audiences right?  Doesn’t 6 vs 6E fly in the face of that?  I’m not good at 
naming things, so am use to recognizing branding failures like this.

I understand most of the underlying technology is the same-- other than 6GHz 
capability.  Most people don't care about the underlying technology unless it 
accomplishes something they need.  6GHz is a once in a generation 
differentiator that will enable far more than the changes from 802.11ac to 
802.11ax, which was deserving of a new number.  Not having that capability 
reflected in a more differentiated branding is causing and will continue to 
cause unneeded confusion.

I understand the Alliance has already placed a lot into marketing of the term 
"Wi-Fi 6E", but that's sunk cost.  Pick a new branding.  Perhaps, Wi-Fi 7.  You 
can leave all 6E materials and just say its the same thing as Wi-Fi 7.  Have 
everything in the futures pipeline do a +1 on their PowerPoints.  Will the 
Alliance incur some ridicule, yes, but less than continuing with 6E in my 
personal opinion.

Do I think this rant will change anything?  No.  But naming a frustration is 
sometimes useful for dealing with it.  I’m moving on.

--
William Green, Director of Networking and Telecommunications
The University of Texas at Austin | ITS | 512-475-9295 | 
gr...@austin.utexas.edu



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RE: Wi-Fi 6E Branding Rant

2021-01-20 Thread Jennifer Minella

LOL. You’re not wrong… it’s a tough challenge. It *is* still WiFi 6 (802.11ax) 
so WiFi 7 would be confusing. I think the best way I’ve seen it consistently 
used with non-Wi-Fi pros is to call it “WiFi 6- Extended” meaning it’s extended 
in to other RF spectrum. That’s not official but I think even Chuck uses that 
moniker for it.

The more common confusion we run in to is people thinking the “6” in WiFi 6E 
means 6GHz.

I’m sure other folks here have some additional ideas for keeping it straight 
for non-WiFI peeps. As for us, we just constantly re-iterate what 6E is (and 
isn’t) pretty much every time the phrase comes out of our mouths, even if that 
means multiple times in a webinar, Tech Talk, or client meeting.

You’re in good company with your frustration though 
-jj

___
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VP of Engineering & Security
Carolina Advanced Digital, Inc.
www.cadinc.com
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From: Green, William C 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 6:52 PM
Subject: Wi-Fi 6E Branding Rant


"Wi-Fi 6E” is not a good branding for what 6GHz provides, in my personal 
opinion.  I hope the Wi-Fi Alliance reconsiders.

I've been discussing Wi-Fi 6E in my organization for over a year-- and nobody 
can keep that “E” in their heads.  They constantly confuse "Wi-Fi 6" as the 
same as "Wi-Fi 6E" in meetings, products, and strategies.   The whole point of 
the Alliance branding was to make things more understandable to non-technical 
audiences right?  Doesn’t 6 vs 6E fly in the face of that?  I’m not good at 
naming things, so am use to recognizing branding failures like this.

I understand most of the underlying technology is the same-- other than 6GHz 
capability.  Most people don't care about the underlying technology unless it 
accomplishes something they need.  6GHz is a once in a generation 
differentiator that will enable far more than the changes from 802.11ac to 
802.11ax, which was deserving of a new number.  Not having that capability 
reflected in a more differentiated branding is causing and will continue to 
cause unneeded confusion.

I understand the Alliance has already placed a lot into marketing of the term 
"Wi-Fi 6E", but that's sunk cost.  Pick a new branding.  Perhaps, Wi-Fi 7.  You 
can leave all 6E materials and just say its the same thing as Wi-Fi 7.  Have 
everything in the futures pipeline do a +1 on their PowerPoints.  Will the 
Alliance incur some ridicule, yes, but less than continuing with 6E in my 
personal opinion.

Do I think this rant will change anything?  No.  But naming a frustration is 
sometimes useful for dealing with it.  I’m moving on.

--
William Green, Director of Networking and Telecommunications
The University of Texas at Austin | ITS | 512-475-9295 | 
gr...@austin.utexas.edu



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Clover flex/ clover mini

2021-01-20 Thread Daniel Wurst

At Denison University we have continued to have them connect to the
Cellular network.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 8:57 AM Hurt,Trenton W. 
wrote:

> Just curious how many edu are putting these onto wifi vs forcing them to
> continue to use cellular?
>
> Trent Hurt
>
> University of Louisville
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Clover flex/ clover mini

2021-01-20 Thread Hurt,Trenton W.

Just curious how many edu are putting these onto wifi vs forcing them to 
continue to use cellular?

Trent Hurt

University of Louisville


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