Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WPA3/OWE as campus solution?

2021-04-21 Thread Tim Cappalli
I'd also like to address the comment about post-college experience. Most organizations these students are going to work at are going to require MDM or MAM on their personal devices. So I fundamentally disagree with the comment that they won't deal with "enrollment" post campus life.

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WPA3/OWE as campus solution?

2021-04-21 Thread Tim Cappalli
Why not take baby steps? One example: So many organizations talk about user experience challenges of onboarding (and trust me, I hear you) but then issue 1 year certs and force the user through it every year. Switch to a 5 year cert (or device specific cred) and use authorization rules to

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WPA3/OWE as campus solution?

2021-04-21 Thread Jonathan Waldrep
Perhaps a better summary to the question, "Are you contemplating ditching .1X in favor of WPA3/OWE?" Kinda. I want to make .1X optional and burn the captive portal to the ground, but that has nothing to do with WPA3/OWE. And I'm stuck with WPA2 until "3duroam" is a thing. Our security model does

RE: WPA3/OWE as campus solution?

2021-04-21 Thread Jennifer Minella
Jeff – Yes, that’s exactly right for connections to apps/services - but what if we’re talking about an infected machine or malicious user? They’re not necessarily connecting to anything specific in terms of an application that would further auth them. That’s actually why I’m saying if it’s

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WPA3/OWE as campus solution?

2021-04-21 Thread Jonathan Waldrep
I keep trying to reply to this thread with my thoughts and some idea of where we are trying to move on this topic, but inevitably, it ends up rambly and unfinished. Let's see if I can actually keep it short and relevant. If so, there is lots left unsaid; please feel free to ask for details. We

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WPA3/OWE as campus solution?

2021-04-21 Thread Manon Lessard
Just my two Maple-y cents Up here the Copyrights laws require ISPs (under which we are, as “providers” of connectivity on campus) to be have sufficient information to be able to contact users should a copyright violation be recorded. Now there is a lot of blurred lines and room in the law

RE: WPA3/OWE as campus solution?

2021-04-21 Thread Jeffrey D. Sessler
Jennifer, I would hope that the service itself has authorization/admittance controls vs relying on the user’s device and/or the particular network the device is in for permission. I’d also argue that there is enough breadcrumbs about any given device to determine the user without the need for

RE: WPA3/OWE as campus solution?

2021-04-21 Thread Jennifer Minella
Oh my goodness. I forgot the biggest one – if you’re going to give that user or device access to internal resources/assets you probably want to know who it is – even if it’s printers, screen casting, etc. If the user or device has access to critical internal resources, then you definitely need

RE: WPA3/OWE as campus solution?

2021-04-21 Thread Jennifer Minella
Ooh Lee what a great thread! I didn’t have a chance yesterday but catching up now. Here’s what I throw in the mix for consideration… (no recommendations just free flow thoughts) Sorry this is long; WPA3 gets me really excited  1. OWE/Open Enhanced (not technically part of WPA3 but