RE: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba Hospitality Access Points

[Michael Cole]

 We have not turned down the 2.4 GHz radios, most of our res halls are 
cement and brick bunkers from the 50’s and have been retooled with utilities, 
but the brick and concrete has been our friend most of the time with the radio 
signals.  We also have some on streets that boarder the neighborhood and do she 
those out there, but all in all it hasn’t been too bad for us.  We’ve tired to 
let ARM do it’s work and power up/down the radios where it see fit.  Our 
wireless network is pretty small compared to some, <1400 access points in 40+ 
buildings, but some of those are pretty small buildings.  The res hall has <200 
beds on average, some a of the small res houses, <20 beds.  The current set up 
has been running for 5+ years now and we’ve been very happy with it and will 
upgrade access points soon.  We also added some non hospitality access points 
in lobby and  study rooms in the res halls, along with some outdoor rated 
access points to cover the quads between halls to try to provide decent indoor 
outdoor coverage where students congregate to study or play.

Mike



Michael A. Cole
Manager of Network Operations
Information Technology Services
Carlson Hall, 950 Main st
Worcester, MA  01610
(508) 793 7772



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 On Behalf Of King, Ronald A.
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2020 4:38 PM
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Subject: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba Hospitality Access 
Points

Mike and the Group,

For those of you that have deployed Aruba hospitality APs to every dorm room, 
are there any concerns of interference? Do you shut down the 2.4 GHz band on 
some of the APs? If so, how did you determine which ones to turn it off?

Thanks,
Ron

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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba Hospitality Access Points

We’ve used a lot more of the hospitality models than standard access 
points, for us, 225’s.   We try to put one in each student’s room for a double 
or a single.  It gives their 10 or so devices a home, and provides wired 
interfaces if they want/ need to use them.  This also provides decent coverage 
is one goes down in a room, the rooms around them pick up the traffic.  The 
failure rate over the past 5 years has been very minimal, and we’ve been very 
happy with them, vice putting one access point in an area for a suite, or 4-6 
rooms devices to connect to it.  We getting ready to do a refresh of access 
points and will put even more of the hospitality units in, in houses/and a Dorm 
we didn’t put them in on the original install.

Mike



Michael A. Cole
Manager of Network Operations
Information Technology Services
Carlson Hall, 950 Main st
Worcester, MA  01610
(508) 793 7772



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Subject: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba Hospitality Access Points

Hi Everyone,

I've been following some of the various discussions where people have mentioned 
using Aruba's hospitality access points and I e-mailed our vendor who we use 
about them to compare them with the IAP 215 units we deployed a few years ago 
in our residence halls.

I didn't seem to get a good explanation so now I'm asking this group.

For those who have deployed the hospitality access points, how do they differ 
from an Aruba you would put in an academic/administrative building?

Do you find you are putting more of them into a residence hall?

I'd toy with the idea of possibly swapping the IAP-215 units with hospitality 
units if the numbers were similar and we could move the IAP-215 units into one 
of our buildings with legacy Arubas although from what I think I'm reading, it 
looks like some of you are putting more into the residence halls than we have 
put (it's definitely not one access point for every one or two rooms based on 
the heat maps that were done).

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Ron Loneker, Jr.
Director, IT Special Projects
College of Saint Elizabeth
Mahoney Library
2 Convent Road
Morristown, NJ  07960

Ph

RE: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba Hospitality Access Points

[Michael Cole]

We’ve used a lot more of the hospitality models than standard access 
points, for us, 225’s.   We try to put one in each student’s room for a double 
or a single.  It gives their 10 or so devices a home, and provides wired 
interfaces if they want/ need to use them.  This also provides decent coverage 
is one goes down in a room, the rooms around them pick up the traffic.  The 
failure rate over the past 5 years has been very minimal, and we’ve been very 
happy with them, vice putting one access point in an area for a suite, or 4-6 
rooms devices to connect to it.  We getting ready to do a refresh of access 
points and will put even more of the hospitality units in, in houses/and a Dorm 
we didn’t put them in on the original install.

Mike



Michael A. Cole
Manager of Network Operations
Information Technology Services
Carlson Hall, 950 Main st
Worcester, MA  01610
(508) 793 7772



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Ronald Loneker
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2020 4:26 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba Hospitality Access Points

Hi Everyone,

I've been following some of the various discussions where people have mentioned 
using Aruba's hospitality access points and I e-mailed our vendor who we use 
about them to compare them with the IAP 215 units we deployed a few years ago 
in our residence halls.

I didn't seem to get a good explanation so now I'm asking this group.

For those who have deployed the hospitality access points, how do they differ 
from an Aruba you would put in an academic/administrative building?

Do you find you are putting more of them into a residence hall?

I'd toy with the idea of possibly swapping the IAP-215 units with hospitality 
units if the numbers were similar and we could move the IAP-215 units into one 
of our buildings with legacy Arubas although from what I think I'm reading, it 
looks like some of you are putting more into the residence halls than we have 
put (it's definitely not one access point for every one or two rooms based on 
the heat maps that were done).

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Ron Loneker, Jr.
Director, IT Special Projects
College of Saint Elizabeth
Mahoney Library
2 Convent Road
Morristown, NJ  07960

Phone:  973-290-4229

e-mail:  rlone...@cse.edu









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RE: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless

[Michael Cole]

We’ve installed a fair amount of outdoor wireless and tried to take advantage 
of existing mounting points or designed them into new work on Campus.  We use a 
mix of poles that have our emergency phones and cameras, the sides of 
buildings, or in parking lots installed poles specifically for outdoor 
wireless.  On a major reFirb of our sports fields we’ve put in an 
infrastructure that gives us a ½ dozen points where we can install wireless, 
security cameras, and a few wired connections.  We’ve had really good luck with 
the deployments so far.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Mallon, Jason
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 11:46 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor wireless

Hey everyone,

Recently, discussion has started to evaluate wireless coverage all over our 
quad area.  We currently have 4, 2700s with patch antennas (AIR-ANT2566P4W-R) 
on the side of buildings with those hitting their limit of 400 clients at given 
times during the day (Probably just a lot of background noise).  I am not sure 
on the capacity they will want covered at this current time.  We do know there 
will be some on light poles, and we were thinking bollards also, other 
suggestions are more than welcome.  I also don’t know what other universities 
are doing as far as open areas for coverage, high density or not?  What to 
expect as far a congregation on the quad?  Will this bring more people to 
sitting on the quad and doing course work?  Will students be out there just 
streaming?  Any ideas or information from those who have done this would be 
greatly appreciated!

Jason Mallon
Network Engineer III, OIT
The University of 
Alabama
jemal...@ua.edu
[University of 
Alabama]


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RE: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car

[Michael Cole]

You'd think this would be pretty straight forward, but with the codes for 
elevators and life safety you might not be able to get a cable in the wiring 
bundle for the car. Or if you can, will the cable take the constant bending and 
unbending...  the Aruba airheads talked about 2 different options, an access 
point in the car, and one on the top of the elevator shaft with a directional 
antenna.

https://community.arubanetworks.com/t5/Wireless-Access/Coverage-in-elevator-shaft/td-p/196269

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Curtis K. Larsen
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 1:26 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car

Hello,

Has anyone designed Wi-Fi specifically to work in the elevator car itself?  
Willing to share your experience?

Thanks,

--
Curtis K. Larsen
Senior Wi-Fi Network Engineer
University of Utah Network Services
CWNA, CWDP, CWSP, CWAP
Office 801-587-1313


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RE: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have

[Michael Cole]

On our campus wireless is always expected every where, whether in theater 
halls, parking lots, classrooms or outside walking between buildings.  The 
students expectation at times is unrealistic, when it gets to off campus 
apartments in the neighborhood.  Put it in while you’re doing the planning and 
it will be there for you when you need it.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Bull, Mary
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:34 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have

Hello all,

I’m wondering if anyone here has dealt with a decision on wireless in the 
theaters, concert halls, or recital halls on their campus. We have a new arts 
complex coming on line in the next two years and there’s no clear direction 
from faculty on whether wireless for the audience is desirable. The previous 
main theater, and other currently used theaters on campus, did/do not have full 
connectivity for the audience (just a few aps tacked on the walls that were 
useless when the room was full). Facilities planning is favorable toward 
building it in, so I’d prefer that too, especially since it would be much 
harder or impossible to install if the faculty changes their mind in a few 
years once the building is complete. However, I’m not sure whether there is 
really an expectation from the audience that they should have wifi when they 
attend a show or concert.

Has anyone dealt with this on their campus? What influenced your choice?

Mary Bull
William and Mary
757-221-2491
mb...@wm.edu

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[Michael Cole]

 We’re in the middle of rewiring our entire campus and building out new 
data closets, upgrading fiber and switching. In our ResHalls we moved to an 
hotel model type wireless access point, one per room that has a couple of wired 
connections on the bottom of it to plug devices into.  In rewiring we’ve pulled 
to new cables into each room for the wireless.  We’ve been through an AP 
upgrade in some of the buildings already and it’s working out well.  We started 
out with the Aruba 103h, and a few years ago moved up to the 205H, and I 
suspect in a couple of more years we’ll move to the 3xx series.  It’s been a 
nice solution for us between providing wired and wireless at a reasonable cost, 
and has been rock solid performance/maintenance wise.


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 On Behalf Of Brian Helman
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 11:54 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

We don’t support gaming on the wireless network.  It’s just too much of a 
headache right now .. between .1x, 11n in some res halls, 11ac in others, 
2.4GHz/5GHz, latency/disconnects/interference/signal strength/etc, 
multi-vendor, yada yada.  If we get to a point where we are single-vendor with 
solid 5GHz coverage everywhere, we’ll reconsider.  It’s tough to have the same 
student have different experiences with WiFi year to year as they move to 
different res halls.

-Brian

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Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:38 AM
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Thanks Jacob.  That’s exactly the kind of info I was hoping for.

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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

We are still providing wired connections as desired.  I believe 8% is our trend 
through the years but my impression from the first two weeks of school is that 
number is climbing.  Physical connections are free and we offer an ethernet 
cable for free as well.   The beginning of our on ground undergrad semester is 
busy with connections, but very little maintenance afterward.  Gamers consider 
it a value and it costs us very little.  We've built two new dorms in the last 
five years and did pull cables to rooms in anticipation of having a full 
hospitality to room deployment in the future.




Jacob Barros

Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations

Email: jkbar...@grace.edu

Phone: 574.372.5100 ext. 6178

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On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Enfield, Chuck 
mailto:cae...@psu.edu>> wrote:
I don’t want to hijack Dan’s thread, but I wouldn’t mind adding to it if he 
doesn’t mind.

I know from previous threads that lots of schools have gone Wi-Fi-only, and 
issues are minimal.  But, as an institution that has both wired and wireless 
enabled throughout the residence halls, about 15% of our residents still plug 
in.  It was easy for us to do both because we were really late to provide 
Wi-Fi, so our legacy wired network is still serviceable.  At some point in the 
next couple years we’ll have to decide whether or not to replace it.  That 
requires an assessment of the value proposition.  15% use seems to suggest that 
there’s still significant value in providing wired connectivity, but I’m not 
sure it satisfactorily answers the question.  It’s safe to assume that some 
users really want that wired connection for good reasons, and other users who 
prefer a wired connection if it’s available, but really wouldn’t miss it if it 
wasn’t.  It’s to determine how many each make up that 15%.

I’m curious to hear from institutions that provide wired connections upon 
request.  If you do that, how many get requested?  Is it free, or is there a 
charge?  If a charge, how much?  …and anything else illuminating you can 
no-doubt contribute.

Thanks,

Chuck


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Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 2:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Last year we converted our first residence hall to wireless only and there were 
minimal challenges.   You could consider installing the small hospitality APs 
in the rooms and then there would be wired ports 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

[Michael Cole]

I didn't have to dismantle it.  I did find the part you push in doesn't pop 
right out with the weaker springs and i had to play with it to get it out and 
secure.  I've mounted them to both gang boxes and box eliminators.

Mike

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8, an AT 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: "Floyd, Brad" <bfl...@mail.smu.edu>
Date: 10/25/17 17:54 (GMT-05:00)
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

Thanks Mike! I’m most worried about having to disassemble the mount to mount 
it, followed by reassembling it after it’s mounted.

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Cole
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:52 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3


I have some of the w3 mounts.. they're very close to the w2s but white, about 
1/2 the depth, and not a rigid.  The mechanism that moves is a little 
different, and it's harder to push in the part that moves.  I can get you a few 
pic's tomorrow if that helps you our.



Mike


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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3


Paul,

Do you have a way to share pictures? We’ve started ordering these because the 
W2 mounts were discontinued and in the pictures, they look just like the W2s 
did. If they are this complex, we may need to have a discussion with a product 
manager.

Thanks,

Brad



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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Reimer
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:14 PM
To: 
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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3



Hi All,



I wanted to share our first look at the JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3.



The slide latch is on a plate that comes out of the main body of the mount and 
until it’s removed that plate obscures the screw holes we would typically use 
to attach the mount to the mud plates with two machines screws. These two 
pieces are held together by screws that thread into the main body of the mount.



So the first step of installation of this mount would require removing this 
slide latch plate to attach the main AP mount body to the box. The second step 
would be to fasten the slide latch plate into the main AP mount body with four 
small coarse thread plastic screws, then finally attaching the AP. Because the 
main AP mount body needs to be fastened down first you can’t assemble it ahead 
of time. If the AP is overhead, you’d have to fasten in the slide latch plate 
overhead with four fiddly little screws.



The design does allow an installer to rotate the latch plate by 90° so that the 
AP release button might be more accessible after installation. This is 
obviously why they separated the latch plate and main body. Other than that it 
complicates the installation and adds steps that wouldn’t be required with a 
single piece mount.



Probably more of a cautionary tale. Don’t get them unless you need them or your 
installers may hold a grudge. I’m thinking these are a none starter and we’ll 
look at stocking another model.



Paul Reimer



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Re: Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

[Michael Cole]

I have some of the w3 mounts.. they're very close to the w2s but white, about 
1/2 the depth, and not a rigid.  The mechanism that moves is a little 
different, and it's harder to push in the part that moves.  I can get you a few 
pic's tomorrow if that helps you our.


Mike



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Floyd, Brad 

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:19 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3


Paul,

Do you have a way to share pictures? We’ve started ordering these because the 
W2 mounts were discontinued and in the pictures, they look just like the W2s 
did. If they are this complex, we may need to have a discussion with a product 
manager.

Thanks,

Brad



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Reimer
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:14 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3



Hi All,



I wanted to share our first look at the JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3.



The slide latch is on a plate that comes out of the main body of the mount and 
until it’s removed that plate obscures the screw holes we would typically use 
to attach the mount to the mud plates with two machines screws. These two 
pieces are held together by screws that thread into the main body of the mount.



So the first step of installation of this mount would require removing this 
slide latch plate to attach the main AP mount body to the box. The second step 
would be to fasten the slide latch plate into the main AP mount body with four 
small coarse thread plastic screws, then finally attaching the AP. Because the 
main AP mount body needs to be fastened down first you can’t assemble it ahead 
of time. If the AP is overhead, you’d have to fasten in the slide latch plate 
overhead with four fiddly little screws.



The design does allow an installer to rotate the latch plate by 90° so that the 
AP release button might be more accessible after installation. This is 
obviously why they separated the latch plate and main body. Other than that it 
complicates the installation and adds steps that wouldn’t be required with a 
single piece mount.



Probably more of a cautionary tale. Don’t get them unless you need them or your 
installers may hold a grudge. I’m thinking these are a none starter and we’ll 
look at stocking another model.



Paul Reimer



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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips?

[Michael Cole]

   We're actually about 80% done with a campus wireless refresh using a 
combination of Aruba 225's, 103H's ( soon to be replaced with 205H's, and 275's 
outside.  We've used access points both in rooms/suites and in hallways where 
ever our design called for the best coverage with the least amount of access 
points.  Over the years we've noticed that the students  for the most part 
leave them alone knowing that they are their wireless connectivity.  In 
reshalls whether in the rooms or in hallways none have ever gone missing or 
been damaged.  If one does do missing though I'd have no problem having housing 
figure out who's bill to put it on and have it replaced.

Mike

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dexter Caldwell
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:49 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips?


10-4. I read too quickly, I guess.

D/C
On Oct 22, 2014 2:36 PM, Stewart, Joe 
joe.stew...@claremontmckenna.edumailto:joe.stew...@claremontmckenna.edu 
wrote:
Dexter,

We currently are stuck with putting them in the hallway.  I would prefer inside 
the rooms but didn't get to make that call.

Peter,

You make a good point on the added cost for enclosures. I'm testing the latest 
temp deployments to see if the walk away next year.



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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips?


I am confused. Maybe I missed something. If you're putting AP's in the rooms 
why increasing the power levels rather than decreasing them to avoid adjacency 
interferences and excess RRM?  Seems counterintuitive to me. The reason they 
have poor signal is because they are probably bouncing two adjacent APs that 
are broadcasting too loudly rather than just the one in their room.  I also 
suspect you're going to have to do more manual setting because the automatic in 
dorm density rates will simply be too high.  Recall that the algorithms are 
designed to even out coverage area but not so well for small concentrated areas 
that you don't want bleed over not to occur.

Dexter Caldwell
Furman University
Director of systems and Networks
On Oct 22, 2014 1:37 PM, Stewart, Joe 
joe.stew...@claremontmckenna.edumailto:joe.stew...@claremontmckenna.edu 
wrote:
Peter,

Anti-theft. I know it's not common because who wants to shoot themselves in the 
foot. It has happened before though once the semester was over and students 
left for a few months.

Ian,

Yes I'm in the process of manually increasing power levels at this time.

--Joe

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:31 AM
To: 
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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips?

What would be the purpose of the enclosures?
Pete Morrissey

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stewart, Joe
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:21 PM
To: 
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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips?

We recently renovated some of our dorm buildings.  Prior to the renovation we 
only had about approximately 4 access points per building due to legacy/lack of 
infrastructure.  We received tons of complaints as the demand for wireless 
continued to grow each year.  We have tripled the amount of access points since 
I've been employed here. With this in mind we wanted to just blanket the dorms 
with access points (15-20 per dorm, Cisco 3602E  3702E).  One thing I've 
noticed with this deployment strategy is that the access points are 
transmitting between power levels 7 and 8.  We  were stuck with deploying all 
of our hardware above the drop ceiling in the hallway.  I prefer to put them in 
the rooms but we they are all hard lid and we always like to keep them out of 
sight. Hallway deployments are not ideal with all the mechanical crap in the 
ceilings not to mention I have to break tiles to even get to my hardware which 
makes upgrades/replacements a complete headache.  I'm noticing that the access 
points have more overlap with hallway deployments as they have more clear line 
of site with each other compared to being inside a room, which is why the power 
levels aren't changing much even when I'm turning off radios.

We have had some students complain saying they can't maintain a stable 
connection and when they leave their room and enter the hallway all is 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] requests for open, unauthenticated, no portal WiFi

[Michael Cole]

Chuck, we're in the exact same situation as you and not only do we use the 
argument about being the ISP for free public wifi, We use the law enforcement 
argument and CALEA where we need to know who's on our campus network in case we 
need to track that down for what they're doing once connected or if there is 
some other kind of copyright complaint or misbehavior.

Mike


Michael A. Cole
Manager of Network Operations
Clark University
950 Main street
Worcester, MA 01610
508.793.7772



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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Anderson
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 12:53 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] requests for open, unauthenticated, no portal WiFi

Has anyone had to deal with administration requests for completely open, 
unauthenticated WiFi with no captive port auth for guest access to use during 
events or generally?  What arguments do you use against this kind of 
deployment?  We are in a city and do not wish to become the ISP for surrounding 
neighborhoods.

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RE: Paying for eduroam (US)?

[Michael Cole]

Jason, thanks for the posting, that was the first we'd heard of eduroam going 
to fee based service, we've been using it for a year or so and it's been very 
helpful, but I'm not sure it's going to be worth $2500 a year to have it.

Internet2 will be collecting the fees for non-members and turn the majority to 
us (we have formed
a company to manage the growth of the service called ANYROAM LLC)

http://www.internet2.edu/netplus/eduroam/pricing.html





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Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 11:14 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Paying for eduroam (US)?

After inquiring about joining eduroam (US), I was a little more than shocked to 
discover that this is now a paid service offered by Internet2. As we are not I2 
members, the yearly costs would be about $1500/year for our institution. I am 
wondering what other people think about this, especially non-I2 members. Is 
this service worth that much per year? I am also concerned that these costs 
will slow or halt adoption of eduroam at smaller non-I2 schools, thereby 
limiting the benefits of the service.

--
Jason Schmidt
Network Engineer
UW-Whitewater

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RE: Cisco Wireless- WCS versus NCS

[Michael Cole]

The legacy license info for EOS/EOL is here:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/wireless/ps5755/ps6301/ps6305/end_of_life_c51-556750.html

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Moore, Brandon
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Wireless- WCS versus NCS

Has anyone heard a possible time frame for the End of Sale/Support for WCS yet?

Thanks,

Brandon Moore
Network Analyst
ITCS- Network Engineering
East Carolina University
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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of David Jaremowicz
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 1:52 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Wireless- WCS versus NCS

Hi,

I was a beta tester for NCS.  I liked it a lot.  Easier navigation, more 
intuitive searches, more clear alerts/events.  Basic switch monitoring is nice 
for tier1 help desk, but monitoring switches utilizes the same license 
allocations as APs.  It feels a lot like WCS, so you don't have to learn a 
whole new interface.

For me, one of the nicest features is the soft appliance option (ESX OVA 
install).  Our WCS sits on a managed linux box.  A whole other group is 
responsible for the OS/hardware.  Troubleshooting with TAC could be a 
nightmare.  With NCS running on a soft appliance, it eliminates the need for a 
sysadmin - easier to work with TAC.

Also, NCS uses Oracle for the DB.  In beta it seemed to be more stable.  Also, 
the report limitations (like the 100k record error) have been lifted.

We still have WCS for our production environment, but will be pricing out the 
NCS upgrade shortly.

Regards,

David Jaremowicz
Network Engineer
IT Services - University of Chicago


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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 12:14 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Wireless- WCS versus NCS

Have any WCS shops yet migrated to NCS? Any thoughts?

Thanks-

Lee

Lee H. Badman
Wireless/Network Engineer
Information Technology and Services
Adjunct Instructor, iSchool
Syracuse University
315 443-3003


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