subject:"\[WIRELESS\-LAN\] Status of Wi\-Fi 6 Client Drivers\?"

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

2020-10-01 Thread Michael Holden

The new encryptions can also cause issues with some of the supplicants.

We’ve seen some clients requesting user/pass when connecting to an Open network 
running the Open Wireless Enhanced (OWE).
Google Pixel 3’s used to Seg fault and rebooting the phone when connecting to 
WPA3-Personal along with a few other unable to connect issues.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of John Rodkey
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 1:20 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

This was our experience as well.

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College

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On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:08 AM Patrick McEvilly 
mailto:patrick_mcevi...@harvard.edu>> wrote:
Thanks Brad.  Not exactly what I wanted to hear but good to know for sure.

The option mentioned by Norman Elton of disabling 802.11ax on 2.4ghz is 
interesting.  Have other done something similar?

On 10/1/20, 1:04 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv on 
behalf of Floyd, Brad" 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> 
on behalf of bfl...@mail.smu.edu<mailto:bfl...@mail.smu.edu>> wrote:

Patrick,
Neither my open guest network nor my 802.1X network appeared to a client 
with the impacted Intel drivers while the ax features were enabled. As soon as 
the ax features were disabled, the SSIDs appeared.
Thanks,
Brad

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>]
 On Behalf Of Patrick McEvilly
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2020 12:01 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
    Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

[EXTERNAL SENDER]

Hello

Does anyone know if the Intel driver issue depends on the authentication 
method?  Would an open SSID that gets folks to a captive portal where we can 
have information/links to get to download/update drivers work?  For some reason 
I thought the issue was limited to 802.1x SSIDs but now I'm thinking I made 
that up.  If anyone here that might have seen the problem first hand could 
comment that would be appreciated.

Thanks

Patrick

On 9/25/20, 10:42 AM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group 
Listserv on behalf of Enfield, Chuck" 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> 
on behalf of cae...@psu.edu<mailto:cae...@psu.edu>> wrote:

I don’t think waiting to enable ax features will provide much relief 
for the intel driver problem.  People don’t update their wireless drivers 
without a reason, so most of the drivers that are incompatible today will still 
be incompatible next fall.  IMHO, we're just going to have to suffer through 
that problem.

My  bigger concern is IoT stuff, which is far less likely to have a fix 
available.  Anybody have ax enabled in their dorms?  How's it working there?

Thanks,

Chuck

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Norman Elton
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 9:44 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

We uncovered the same driver issue shortly after deploying 802.11ax.
We mitigated by leaving 802.11ax enabled on the 5GHz radios, but 
disabling on the 2.4 radios. This way, compliant devices can connect and take 
advantage of 5Ghz connectivity. Those devices with faulty Intel drivers can 
still connect, albeit at substantially reduced data rates. There may be some 
inner workings of 802.11ax that I don't recall, but this worked for us!

This was on our Mist AP43s, limited to a single building. The rest of 
campus is running 802.11ac access points from Aerohive.

Norman Elton
William & Mary

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:38 PM Lee H Badman 
<00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>>
 wrote:
>
> What is truly frustrating is that all vendors involved are likely 
members of the Wi-Fi Alliance, whose "interoperability" testing obviously is

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

2020-10-01 Thread John Rodkey

This was our experience as well.

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College

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On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:08 AM Patrick McEvilly <
patrick_mcevi...@harvard.edu> wrote:

> Thanks Brad.  Not exactly what I wanted to hear but good to know for sure.
>
> The option mentioned by Norman Elton of disabling 802.11ax on 2.4ghz is
> interesting.  Have other done something similar?
>
>
> On 10/1/20, 1:04 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group
> Listserv on behalf of Floyd, Brad"  behalf of bfl...@mail.smu.edu> wrote:
>
> Patrick,
> Neither my open guest network nor my 802.1X network appeared to a
> client with the impacted Intel drivers while the ax features were enabled.
> As soon as the ax features were disabled, the SSIDs appeared.
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> -Original Message-
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Patrick McEvilly
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2020 12:01 PM
>     To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?
>
> [EXTERNAL SENDER]
>
>
> Hello
>
> Does anyone know if the Intel driver issue depends on the
> authentication method?  Would an open SSID that gets folks to a captive
> portal where we can have information/links to get to download/update
> drivers work?  For some reason I thought the issue was limited to 802.1x
> SSIDs but now I'm thinking I made that up.  If anyone here that might have
> seen the problem first hand could comment that would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> On 9/25/20, 10:42 AM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group
> Listserv on behalf of Enfield, Chuck"  on behalf of cae...@psu.edu> wrote:
>
> I don’t think waiting to enable ax features will provide much
> relief for the intel driver problem.  People don’t update their wireless
> drivers without a reason, so most of the drivers that are incompatible
> today will still be incompatible next fall.  IMHO, we're just going to have
> to suffer through that problem.
>
> My  bigger concern is IoT stuff, which is far less likely to have
> a fix available.  Anybody have ax enabled in their dorms?  How's it working
> there?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
> -Original Message-
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of Norman Elton
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 9:44 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?
>
> We uncovered the same driver issue shortly after deploying
> 802.11ax.
> We mitigated by leaving 802.11ax enabled on the 5GHz radios, but
> disabling on the 2.4 radios. This way, compliant devices can connect and
> take advantage of 5Ghz connectivity. Those devices with faulty Intel
> drivers can still connect, albeit at substantially reduced data rates.
> There may be some inner workings of 802.11ax that I don't recall, but this
> worked for us!
>
> This was on our Mist AP43s, limited to a single building. The rest
> of campus is running 802.11ac access points from Aerohive.
>
> Norman Elton
> William & Mary
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:38 PM Lee H Badman <
> 00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu> wrote:
> >
> > What is truly frustrating is that all vendors involved are
> likely members of the Wi-Fi Alliance, whose "interoperability" testing
> obviously isn't getting it done.
> >
>     > One man's opinion. 
> > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv
> >  on behalf of Ethan
> Grinnell
> > 
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 5:31:30 PM
> > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?
> >
> > I recently wanted to do testing with an affected driver and was
> able
> > to obtain them on OEM websites instead of directly from Intel.
> This
> > build has the issue with WiFi6 SSID visibility:
> >
> https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.c

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

2020-10-01 Thread Patrick McEvilly

Thanks Brad.  Not exactly what I wanted to hear but good to know for sure.

The option mentioned by Norman Elton of disabling 802.11ax on 2.4ghz is 
interesting.  Have other done something similar?

On 10/1/20, 1:04 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv on 
behalf of Floyd, Brad"  wrote:

Patrick,
Neither my open guest network nor my 802.1X network appeared to a client 
with the impacted Intel drivers while the ax features were enabled. As soon as 
the ax features were disabled, the SSIDs appeared.
Thanks,
Brad

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Patrick McEvilly
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2020 12:01 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

[EXTERNAL SENDER]

Hello

Does anyone know if the Intel driver issue depends on the authentication 
method?  Would an open SSID that gets folks to a captive portal where we can 
have information/links to get to download/update drivers work?  For some reason 
I thought the issue was limited to 802.1x SSIDs but now I'm thinking I made 
that up.  If anyone here that might have seen the problem first hand could 
comment that would be appreciated.

Thanks

Patrick

On 9/25/20, 10:42 AM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group 
Listserv on behalf of Enfield, Chuck"  wrote:

I don’t think waiting to enable ax features will provide much relief 
for the intel driver problem.  People don’t update their wireless drivers 
without a reason, so most of the drivers that are incompatible today will still 
be incompatible next fall.  IMHO, we're just going to have to suffer through 
that problem.

My  bigger concern is IoT stuff, which is far less likely to have a fix 
available.  Anybody have ax enabled in their dorms?  How's it working there?

Thanks,

Chuck

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Norman Elton
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 9:44 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
    Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

We uncovered the same driver issue shortly after deploying 802.11ax.
We mitigated by leaving 802.11ax enabled on the 5GHz radios, but 
disabling on the 2.4 radios. This way, compliant devices can connect and take 
advantage of 5Ghz connectivity. Those devices with faulty Intel drivers can 
still connect, albeit at substantially reduced data rates. There may be some 
inner workings of 802.11ax that I don't recall, but this worked for us!

This was on our Mist AP43s, limited to a single building. The rest of 
campus is running 802.11ac access points from Aerohive.

Norman Elton
William & Mary

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:38 PM Lee H Badman 
<00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu> wrote:
>
> What is truly frustrating is that all vendors involved are likely 
members of the Wi-Fi Alliance, whose "interoperability" testing obviously isn't 
getting it done.
>
> One man's opinion. 
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
>  on behalf of Ethan Grinnell 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 5:31:30 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
    > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?
>
> I recently wanted to do testing with an affected driver and was able 
> to obtain them on OEM websites instead of directly from Intel. This 
> build has the issue with WiFi6 SSID visibility: 
> https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupp
> ort.lenovo.com%2Fus%2Fen%2Fdownloads%2FDS103594data=02%7C01%7Ccae
> 104%40PSU.EDU%7C5f85db20ad6a480d24b008d8602b46f9%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c
> 1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637365086281023045sdata=45PRv3hF8%2FwfgFb
> uci2U1gIqrlC17XAGILCWUBy%2F4Qo%3Dreserved=0
>
> Also, I noticed that the Windows 10 built-in driver for many Intel 
> WiFi chips is version 17.x (It was on my test client) which didn't 
> seem to have the issue. So that's fun, it's not just versions lower 
> than some baseline build number being affected. I didn't test many 
> different builds, but it looked like 17.x was good, 18.x, 19.x, and 
> 20.x had some affected builds. More information here: 
> https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> intel.com%2Fcontent%2Fwww%2Fus%2Fen%2Fsupport%2Farticles%2F547

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

2020-10-01 Thread Floyd, Brad

Patrick,
Neither my open guest network nor my 802.1X network appeared to a client with 
the impacted Intel drivers while the ax features were enabled. As soon as the 
ax features were disabled, the SSIDs appeared.
Thanks,
Brad

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Patrick McEvilly
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2020 12:01 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

[EXTERNAL SENDER]

Hello

Does anyone know if the Intel driver issue depends on the authentication 
method?  Would an open SSID that gets folks to a captive portal where we can 
have information/links to get to download/update drivers work?  For some reason 
I thought the issue was limited to 802.1x SSIDs but now I'm thinking I made 
that up.  If anyone here that might have seen the problem first hand could 
comment that would be appreciated.

Thanks

Patrick

On 9/25/20, 10:42 AM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
on behalf of Enfield, Chuck"  wrote:

I don’t think waiting to enable ax features will provide much relief for 
the intel driver problem.  People don’t update their wireless drivers without a 
reason, so most of the drivers that are incompatible today will still be 
incompatible next fall.  IMHO, we're just going to have to suffer through that 
problem.

My  bigger concern is IoT stuff, which is far less likely to have a fix 
available.  Anybody have ax enabled in their dorms?  How's it working there?

Thanks,

Chuck

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Norman Elton
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 9:44 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

We uncovered the same driver issue shortly after deploying 802.11ax.
We mitigated by leaving 802.11ax enabled on the 5GHz radios, but disabling 
on the 2.4 radios. This way, compliant devices can connect and take advantage 
of 5Ghz connectivity. Those devices with faulty Intel drivers can still 
connect, albeit at substantially reduced data rates. There may be some inner 
workings of 802.11ax that I don't recall, but this worked for us!

This was on our Mist AP43s, limited to a single building. The rest of 
campus is running 802.11ac access points from Aerohive.

Norman Elton
William & Mary

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:38 PM Lee H Badman 
<00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu> wrote:
>
> What is truly frustrating is that all vendors involved are likely members 
of the Wi-Fi Alliance, whose "interoperability" testing obviously isn't getting 
it done.
>
> One man's opinion. 
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
>  on behalf of Ethan Grinnell 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 5:31:30 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
    > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?
>
> I recently wanted to do testing with an affected driver and was able 
> to obtain them on OEM websites instead of directly from Intel. This 
> build has the issue with WiFi6 SSID visibility: 
> https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupp
> ort.lenovo.com%2Fus%2Fen%2Fdownloads%2FDS103594data=02%7C01%7Ccae
> 104%40PSU.EDU%7C5f85db20ad6a480d24b008d8602b46f9%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c
> 1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637365086281023045sdata=45PRv3hF8%2FwfgFb
> uci2U1gIqrlC17XAGILCWUBy%2F4Qo%3Dreserved=0
>
> Also, I noticed that the Windows 10 built-in driver for many Intel 
> WiFi chips is version 17.x (It was on my test client) which didn't 
> seem to have the issue. So that's fun, it's not just versions lower 
> than some baseline build number being affected. I didn't test many 
> different builds, but it looked like 17.x was good, 18.x, 19.x, and 
> 20.x had some affected builds. More information here: 
> https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> intel.com%2Fcontent%2Fwww%2Fus%2Fen%2Fsupport%2Farticles%2F54799%2
> Fnetwork-and-i-o%2Fwireless.htmldata=02%7C01%7Ccae104%40PSU.EDU%7
> C5f85db20ad6a480d24b008d8602b46f9%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7
> C0%7C0%7C637365086281023045sdata=lD4k2P%2BlL0%2Ba6GKJKfOCpo7OClpi
> GeJ2pLYAfUHR%2F6U%3Dreserved=0
>
> The issue is still around. Many BYOD types require users to update their 
own drivers, which few seem to do. Windows doesn't always update the drivers 
either, so there could potentially be lingering issues from outdated drivers 
for a long time.
>
> Ethan Grinnell
> CCIE

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

2020-10-01 Thread Patrick McEvilly

Hello

Does anyone know if the Intel driver issue depends on the authentication 
method?  Would an open SSID that gets folks to a captive portal where we can 
have information/links to get to download/update drivers work?  For some reason 
I thought the issue was limited to 802.1x SSIDs but now I'm thinking I made 
that up.  If anyone here that might have seen the problem first hand could 
comment that would be appreciated.

Thanks

Patrick

On 9/25/20, 10:42 AM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
on behalf of Enfield, Chuck"  wrote:

I don’t think waiting to enable ax features will provide much relief for 
the intel driver problem.  People don’t update their wireless drivers without a 
reason, so most of the drivers that are incompatible today will still be 
incompatible next fall.  IMHO, we're just going to have to suffer through that 
problem.

My  bigger concern is IoT stuff, which is far less likely to have a fix 
available.  Anybody have ax enabled in their dorms?  How's it working there?

Thanks,

Chuck

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Norman Elton
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 9:44 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

We uncovered the same driver issue shortly after deploying 802.11ax.
We mitigated by leaving 802.11ax enabled on the 5GHz radios, but disabling 
on the 2.4 radios. This way, compliant devices can connect and take advantage 
of 5Ghz connectivity. Those devices with faulty Intel drivers can still 
connect, albeit at substantially reduced data rates. There may be some inner 
workings of 802.11ax that I don't recall, but this worked for us!

This was on our Mist AP43s, limited to a single building. The rest of 
campus is running 802.11ac access points from Aerohive.

Norman Elton
William & Mary

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:38 PM Lee H Badman 
<00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu> wrote:
>
> What is truly frustrating is that all vendors involved are likely members 
of the Wi-Fi Alliance, whose "interoperability" testing obviously isn't getting 
it done.
>
> One man's opinion. 
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
>  on behalf of Ethan Grinnell 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 5:31:30 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
    > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?
>
> I recently wanted to do testing with an affected driver and was able 
> to obtain them on OEM websites instead of directly from Intel. This 
> build has the issue with WiFi6 SSID visibility: 
> https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupp
> ort.lenovo.com%2Fus%2Fen%2Fdownloads%2FDS103594data=02%7C01%7Ccae
> 104%40PSU.EDU%7C5f85db20ad6a480d24b008d8602b46f9%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c
> 1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637365086281023045sdata=45PRv3hF8%2FwfgFb
> uci2U1gIqrlC17XAGILCWUBy%2F4Qo%3Dreserved=0
>
> Also, I noticed that the Windows 10 built-in driver for many Intel 
> WiFi chips is version 17.x (It was on my test client) which didn't 
> seem to have the issue. So that's fun, it's not just versions lower 
> than some baseline build number being affected. I didn't test many 
> different builds, but it looked like 17.x was good, 18.x, 19.x, and 
> 20.x had some affected builds. More information here: 
> https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> intel.com%2Fcontent%2Fwww%2Fus%2Fen%2Fsupport%2Farticles%2F54799%2
> Fnetwork-and-i-o%2Fwireless.htmldata=02%7C01%7Ccae104%40PSU.EDU%7
> C5f85db20ad6a480d24b008d8602b46f9%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7
> C0%7C0%7C637365086281023045sdata=lD4k2P%2BlL0%2Ba6GKJKfOCpo7OClpi
> GeJ2pLYAfUHR%2F6U%3Dreserved=0
>
> The issue is still around. Many BYOD types require users to update their 
own drivers, which few seem to do. Windows doesn't always update the drivers 
either, so there could potentially be lingering issues from outdated drivers 
for a long time.
>
> Ethan Grinnell
> CCIE R #39723, BS CmpE
> Network Engineer
> Office of Information Technology, Technology Infrastructure, 
> Networking Portland State University
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 2:01 PM Mike Atkins  wrote:
>>
>> We deployed our ax capable APs without ax enabled for the same Intel 
driver issues.  I wanted to test something with a flawed driver recently and 
noticed it is no longer available from Intel.  I think Intel revamped their 
downloads page at the end of last year to remove all but the n

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

2020-09-25 Thread Enfield, Chuck

I don’t think waiting to enable ax features will provide much relief for the 
intel driver problem.  People don’t update their wireless drivers without a 
reason, so most of the drivers that are incompatible today will still be 
incompatible next fall.  IMHO, we're just going to have to suffer through that 
problem.

My  bigger concern is IoT stuff, which is far less likely to have a fix 
available.  Anybody have ax enabled in their dorms?  How's it working there?

Thanks,

Chuck

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Norman Elton
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 9:44 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

We uncovered the same driver issue shortly after deploying 802.11ax.
We mitigated by leaving 802.11ax enabled on the 5GHz radios, but disabling on 
the 2.4 radios. This way, compliant devices can connect and take advantage of 
5Ghz connectivity. Those devices with faulty Intel drivers can still connect, 
albeit at substantially reduced data rates. There may be some inner workings of 
802.11ax that I don't recall, but this worked for us!

This was on our Mist AP43s, limited to a single building. The rest of campus is 
running 802.11ac access points from Aerohive.

Norman Elton
William & Mary

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:38 PM Lee H Badman 
<00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu> wrote:
>
> What is truly frustrating is that all vendors involved are likely members of 
> the Wi-Fi Alliance, whose "interoperability" testing obviously isn't getting 
> it done.
>
> One man's opinion. 
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
>  on behalf of Ethan Grinnell 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 5:31:30 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?
>
> I recently wanted to do testing with an affected driver and was able 
> to obtain them on OEM websites instead of directly from Intel. This 
> build has the issue with WiFi6 SSID visibility: 
> https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupp
> ort.lenovo.com%2Fus%2Fen%2Fdownloads%2FDS103594data=02%7C01%7Ccae
> 104%40PSU.EDU%7C5f85db20ad6a480d24b008d8602b46f9%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c
> 1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637365086281023045sdata=45PRv3hF8%2FwfgFb
> uci2U1gIqrlC17XAGILCWUBy%2F4Qo%3Dreserved=0
>
> Also, I noticed that the Windows 10 built-in driver for many Intel 
> WiFi chips is version 17.x (It was on my test client) which didn't 
> seem to have the issue. So that's fun, it's not just versions lower 
> than some baseline build number being affected. I didn't test many 
> different builds, but it looked like 17.x was good, 18.x, 19.x, and 
> 20.x had some affected builds. More information here: 
> https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> intel.com%2Fcontent%2Fwww%2Fus%2Fen%2Fsupport%2Farticles%2F54799%2
> Fnetwork-and-i-o%2Fwireless.htmldata=02%7C01%7Ccae104%40PSU.EDU%7
> C5f85db20ad6a480d24b008d8602b46f9%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7
> C0%7C0%7C637365086281023045sdata=lD4k2P%2BlL0%2Ba6GKJKfOCpo7OClpi
> GeJ2pLYAfUHR%2F6U%3Dreserved=0
>
> The issue is still around. Many BYOD types require users to update their own 
> drivers, which few seem to do. Windows doesn't always update the drivers 
> either, so there could potentially be lingering issues from outdated drivers 
> for a long time.
>
> Ethan Grinnell
> CCIE R #39723, BS CmpE
> Network Engineer
> Office of Information Technology, Technology Infrastructure, 
> Networking Portland State University
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 2:01 PM Mike Atkins  wrote:
>>
>> We deployed our ax capable APs without ax enabled for the same Intel driver 
>> issues.  I wanted to test something with a flawed driver recently and 
>> noticed it is no longer available from Intel.  I think Intel revamped their 
>> downloads page at the end of last year to remove all but the newest 
>> revisions of drivers.   We use SecureW2 for eduroam onboarding so we can get 
>> a sense of drivers used by Windows devices.  We will probably enable Wi-Fi 6 
>> next year if the numbers continue to look good.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Atkins
>>
>> Infrastructure Architect
>>
>> Office of Information Technology
>>
>> University of Notre Dame
>>
>> Phone: 574-631-7210
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    .__o
>>
>>- _-\_<,
>>
>>---  (*)/'(*)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group L

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

2020-09-24 Thread Lee H Badman

It's not the Alliance's fault, no. But the WLAN industry is becoming a wretched 
mess of "if this, then that" among device types, code/driver versions, and the 
various "waves" and other sub-versions of 802.11 standards. The LAST ones who 
should have to figure it all out is the consumer. The members of the Alliance 
aren't very allied, and that is my point.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Julian Y Koh 

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 9:50:03 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?



On Sep 23, 2020, at 16:38, Lee H Badman 
<00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>>
 wrote:

What is truly frustrating is that all vendors involved are likely members of 
the Wi-Fi Alliance, whose "interoperability" testing obviously isn't getting it 
done.

I hear the frustration in general, but in this specific case it seems like the 
frustration should be directed not at the fact that there are incompatible 
drivers but the difficulty in being able to update those drivers?  It’s not the 
Wi-Fi Alliance’s fault that users have to figure out to download new drivers 
directly from the NIC manufacturer instead of just getting them as part of an 
automatic update process, is it?

--
Julian Y. Koh
Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
Northwestern Information Technology

2020 Ridge Avenue #331
Evanston, IL 60208
+1-847-467-5780
Northwestern IT Web Site: <http://www.it.northwestern.edu/>
PGP Public Key: <https://bt.ittns.northwestern.edu/julian/pgppubkey.html>


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

2020-09-23 Thread Julian Y Koh



On Sep 23, 2020, at 16:38, Lee H Badman 
<00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>
 wrote:

What is truly frustrating is that all vendors involved are likely members of 
the Wi-Fi Alliance, whose "interoperability" testing obviously isn't getting it 
done.

I hear the frustration in general, but in this specific case it seems like the 
frustration should be directed not at the fact that there are incompatible 
drivers but the difficulty in being able to update those drivers?  It’s not the 
Wi-Fi Alliance’s fault that users have to figure out to download new drivers 
directly from the NIC manufacturer instead of just getting them as part of an 
automatic update process, is it?

--
Julian Y. Koh
Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
Northwestern Information Technology

2020 Ridge Avenue #331
Evanston, IL 60208
+1-847-467-5780
Northwestern IT Web Site: 
PGP Public Key: 


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

2020-09-23 Thread Norman Elton

We uncovered the same driver issue shortly after deploying 802.11ax.
We mitigated by leaving 802.11ax enabled on the 5GHz radios, but
disabling on the 2.4 radios. This way, compliant devices can connect
and take advantage of 5Ghz connectivity. Those devices with faulty
Intel drivers can still connect, albeit at substantially reduced data
rates. There may be some inner workings of 802.11ax that I don't
recall, but this worked for us!

This was on our Mist AP43s, limited to a single building. The rest of
campus is running 802.11ac access points from Aerohive.

Norman Elton
William & Mary

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:38 PM Lee H Badman
<00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu> wrote:
>
> What is truly frustrating is that all vendors involved are likely members of 
> the Wi-Fi Alliance, whose "interoperability" testing obviously isn't getting 
> it done.
>
> One man's opinion. 
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
>  on behalf of Ethan Grinnell 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 5:31:30 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?
>
> I recently wanted to do testing with an affected driver and was able to 
> obtain them on OEM websites instead of directly from Intel. This build has 
> the issue with WiFi6 SSID visibility: 
> https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/DS103594
>
> Also, I noticed that the Windows 10 built-in driver for many Intel WiFi chips 
> is version 17.x (It was on my test client) which didn't seem to have the 
> issue. So that's fun, it's not just versions lower than some baseline build 
> number being affected. I didn't test many different builds, but it looked 
> like 17.x was good, 18.x, 19.x, and 20.x had some affected builds. More 
> information here: 
> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/54799/network-and-i-o/wireless.html
>
> The issue is still around. Many BYOD types require users to update their own 
> drivers, which few seem to do. Windows doesn't always update the drivers 
> either, so there could potentially be lingering issues from outdated drivers 
> for a long time.
>
> Ethan Grinnell
> CCIE R #39723, BS CmpE
> Network Engineer
> Office of Information Technology, Technology Infrastructure, Networking
> Portland State University
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 2:01 PM Mike Atkins  wrote:
>>
>> We deployed our ax capable APs without ax enabled for the same Intel driver 
>> issues.  I wanted to test something with a flawed driver recently and 
>> noticed it is no longer available from Intel.  I think Intel revamped their 
>> downloads page at the end of last year to remove all but the newest 
>> revisions of drivers.   We use SecureW2 for eduroam onboarding so we can get 
>> a sense of drivers used by Windows devices.  We will probably enable Wi-Fi 6 
>> next year if the numbers continue to look good.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Atkins
>>
>> Infrastructure Architect
>>
>> Office of Information Technology
>>
>> University of Notre Dame
>>
>> Phone: 574-631-7210
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    .__o
>>
>>- _-\_<,
>>
>>---  (*)/'(*)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
>>  On Behalf Of Nadim El-Khoury
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 4:41 PM
>> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>>
>>
>> One more thing that I forgot to answer. We elected to keep Wi-Fi 6 enabled 
>> and just disabled it in the vicinity of our Technical Support Center (User 
>> Support) in the Library building.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Nadim
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:35 PM Floyd, Brad  wrote:
>>
>> Eric,
>> I have deployed almost 200 of the Aruba 530 series APs so far in the last 
>> 2-3 months. I saw, first hand, what happens with the 802.11ax enabled SSID 
>> and the flawed Intel drivers. The SSIDs don't appear to those devices. When 
>> we were discussing whether or not to deploy the ax APs vs stick with ac APs, 
>> we decided we wanted the longer remaining life span before end-of-sale / 
>> end-of-support of the APs of the ax vs the ac. The added benefit Aruba 
>> provides is that it is very simple to disable the features (just a single 
>> check box on a profile). We figure we

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

2020-09-23 Thread Lee H Badman

What is truly frustrating is that all vendors involved are likely members of 
the Wi-Fi Alliance, whose "interoperability" testing obviously isn't getting it 
done.

One man's opinion.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Ethan Grinnell 

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 5:31:30 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

I recently wanted to do testing with an affected driver and was able to obtain 
them on OEM websites instead of directly from Intel. This build has the issue 
with WiFi6 SSID visibility: https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/DS103594

Also, I noticed that the Windows 10 built-in driver for many Intel WiFi chips 
is version 17.x (It was on my test client) which didn't seem to have the issue. 
So that's fun, it's not just versions lower than some baseline build number 
being affected. I didn't test many different builds, but it looked like 17.x 
was good, 18.x, 19.x, and 20.x had some affected builds. More information here: 
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/54799/network-and-i-o/wireless.html

The issue is still around. Many BYOD types require users to update their own 
drivers, which few seem to do. Windows doesn't always update the drivers 
either, so there could potentially be lingering issues from outdated drivers 
for a long time.

Ethan Grinnell
CCIE R #39723, BS CmpE
Network Engineer
Office of Information Technology, Technology Infrastructure, Networking
Portland State University


On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 2:01 PM Mike Atkins 
mailto:matk...@nd.edu>> wrote:
We deployed our ax capable APs without ax enabled for the same Intel driver 
issues.  I wanted to test something with a flawed driver recently and noticed 
it is no longer available from Intel.  I think Intel revamped their downloads 
page at the end of last year to remove all but the newest revisions of drivers. 
  We use SecureW2 for eduroam onboarding so we can get a sense of drivers used 
by Windows devices.  We will probably enable Wi-Fi 6 next year if the numbers 
continue to look good.




Mike Atkins
Infrastructure Architect
Office of Information Technology
University of Notre Dame
Phone: 574-631-7210


   .__o
   - _-\_<,
   ---  (*)/'(*)


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Nadim El-Khoury
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 4:41 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

Hi Eric,

One more thing that I forgot to answer. We elected to keep Wi-Fi 6 enabled and 
just disabled it in the vicinity of our Technical Support Center (User Support) 
in the Library building.

Best,

Nadim

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:35 PM Floyd, Brad 
mailto:bfl...@mail.smu.edu>> wrote:
Eric,
I have deployed almost 200 of the Aruba 530 series APs so far in the last 2-3 
months. I saw, first hand, what happens with the 802.11ax enabled SSID and the 
flawed Intel drivers. The SSIDs don't appear to those devices. When we were 
discussing whether or not to deploy the ax APs vs stick with ac APs, we decided 
we wanted the longer remaining life span before end-of-sale / end-of-support of 
the APs of the ax vs the ac. The added benefit Aruba provides is that it is 
very simple to disable the features (just a single check box on a profile). We 
figure we can wait for a semester or two and schedule an attempt to re-enable 
the features. A driver update definitely fixes the issue, but since we are so 
heavily loaded with BYOD devices that we have no control over, this was a 
better option for us. Hopefully this helps.
Thanks,
Brad

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>]
 On Behalf Of Kenny, Eric
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:14 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

Hi All,

I know on-campus populations might not be what they usually are right now, but 
I was wondering if anyone has seen reports of buggy client side drivers causing 
issues with 802.11ax.  Specifically we are using the Aruba AP-530 series AP.  
There were some Intel chips that had challenges a few months back, but a driver 
update resolved the issue.

We are considering disabling the Wi-Fi6 capability of the APs to prevent issues 
with outdated drivers, so we’d like to hear your observations so far if this is 
still a real problem.

Thank you,

Eric Kenny

Network Architect | Infrastructure Technology Services Harvard University 
Information Technology

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

2020-09-23 Thread Ethan Grinnell

I recently wanted to do testing with an affected driver and was able to
obtain them on OEM websites instead of directly from Intel. This build has
the issue with WiFi6 SSID visibility:
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/DS103594

Also, I noticed that the Windows 10 built-in driver for many Intel WiFi
chips is version 17.x (It was on my test client) which didn't seem to have
the issue. So that's fun, it's not just versions lower than some baseline
build number being affected. I didn't test many different builds, but it
looked like 17.x was good, 18.x, 19.x, and 20.x had some affected builds.
More information here:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/54799/network-and-i-o/wireless.html

The issue is still around. Many BYOD types require users to update their
own drivers, which few seem to do. Windows doesn't always update the
drivers either, so there could potentially be lingering issues from
outdated drivers for a long time.

Ethan Grinnell
CCIE R #39723, BS CmpE
Network Engineer
Office of Information Technology, Technology Infrastructure, Networking
Portland State University


On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 2:01 PM Mike Atkins  wrote:

> We deployed our ax capable APs without ax enabled for the same Intel
> driver issues.  I wanted to test something with a flawed driver recently
> and noticed it is no longer available from Intel.  I think Intel revamped
> their downloads page at the end of last year to remove all but the newest
> revisions of drivers.   We use SecureW2 for eduroam onboarding so we can
> get a sense of drivers used by Windows devices.  We will probably enable
> Wi-Fi 6 next year if the numbers continue to look good.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Mike Atkins *
>
> Infrastructure Architect
>
> Office of Information Technology
>
> University of Notre Dame
>
> Phone: 574-631-7210
>
>
>
>
>
>    .__o
>
>- _-\_<,
>
>---  (*)/'(*)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Nadim El-Khoury
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 4:41 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?
>
>
>
> Hi Eric,
>
>
>
> One more thing that I forgot to answer. We elected to keep Wi-Fi 6 enabled
> and just disabled it in the vicinity of our Technical Support Center (User
> Support) in the Library building.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Nadim
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:35 PM Floyd, Brad  wrote:
>
> Eric,
> I have deployed almost 200 of the Aruba 530 series APs so far in the last
> 2-3 months. I saw, first hand, what happens with the 802.11ax enabled SSID
> and the flawed Intel drivers. The SSIDs don't appear to those devices. When
> we were discussing whether or not to deploy the ax APs vs stick with ac
> APs, we decided we wanted the longer remaining life span before end-of-sale
> / end-of-support of the APs of the ax vs the ac. The added benefit Aruba
> provides is that it is very simple to disable the features (just a single
> check box on a profile). We figure we can wait for a semester or two and
> schedule an attempt to re-enable the features. A driver update definitely
> fixes the issue, but since we are so heavily loaded with BYOD devices that
> we have no control over, this was a better option for us. Hopefully this
> helps.
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Kenny, Eric
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:14 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?
>
> Hi All,
>
> I know on-campus populations might not be what they usually are right now,
> but I was wondering if anyone has seen reports of buggy client side drivers
> causing issues with 802.11ax.  Specifically we are using the Aruba AP-530
> series AP.  There were some Intel chips that had challenges a few months
> back, but a driver update resolved the issue.
>
> We are considering disabling the Wi-Fi6 capability of the APs to prevent
> issues with outdated drivers, so we’d like to hear your observations so far
> if this is still a real problem.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Eric Kenny
>
> Network Architect | Infrastructure Technology Services Harvard University
> Information Technology
>
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

2020-09-23 Thread Mike Atkins

We deployed our ax capable APs without ax enabled for the same Intel driver
issues.  I wanted to test something with a flawed driver recently and
noticed it is no longer available from Intel.  I think Intel revamped their
downloads page at the end of last year to remove all but the newest
revisions of drivers.   We use SecureW2 for eduroam onboarding so we can
get a sense of drivers used by Windows devices.  We will probably enable
Wi-Fi 6 next year if the numbers continue to look good.









*Mike Atkins *

Infrastructure Architect

Office of Information Technology

University of Notre Dame

Phone: 574-631-7210





   .__o

   - _-\_<,

   ---  (*)/'(*)





*From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Nadim El-Khoury
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 4:41 PM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?



Hi Eric,



One more thing that I forgot to answer. We elected to keep Wi-Fi 6 enabled
and just disabled it in the vicinity of our Technical Support Center (User
Support) in the Library building.



Best,



Nadim



On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:35 PM Floyd, Brad  wrote:

Eric,
I have deployed almost 200 of the Aruba 530 series APs so far in the last
2-3 months. I saw, first hand, what happens with the 802.11ax enabled SSID
and the flawed Intel drivers. The SSIDs don't appear to those devices. When
we were discussing whether or not to deploy the ax APs vs stick with ac
APs, we decided we wanted the longer remaining life span before end-of-sale
/ end-of-support of the APs of the ax vs the ac. The added benefit Aruba
provides is that it is very simple to disable the features (just a single
check box on a profile). We figure we can wait for a semester or two and
schedule an attempt to re-enable the features. A driver update definitely
fixes the issue, but since we are so heavily loaded with BYOD devices that
we have no control over, this was a better option for us. Hopefully this
helps.
Thanks,
Brad

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv [mailto:
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Kenny, Eric
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:14 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

Hi All,

I know on-campus populations might not be what they usually are right now,
but I was wondering if anyone has seen reports of buggy client side drivers
causing issues with 802.11ax.  Specifically we are using the Aruba AP-530
series AP.  There were some Intel chips that had challenges a few months
back, but a driver update resolved the issue.

We are considering disabling the Wi-Fi6 capability of the APs to prevent
issues with outdated drivers, so we’d like to hear your observations so far
if this is still a real problem.

Thank you,

Eric Kenny

Network Architect | Infrastructure Technology Services Harvard University
Information Technology

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

2020-09-23 Thread Nadim El-Khoury

Hi Eric,

One more thing that I forgot to answer. We elected to keep Wi-Fi 6 enabled
and just disabled it in the vicinity of our Technical Support Center (User
Support) in the Library building.

Best,

Nadim

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:35 PM Floyd, Brad  wrote:

> Eric,
> I have deployed almost 200 of the Aruba 530 series APs so far in the last
> 2-3 months. I saw, first hand, what happens with the 802.11ax enabled SSID
> and the flawed Intel drivers. The SSIDs don't appear to those devices. When
> we were discussing whether or not to deploy the ax APs vs stick with ac
> APs, we decided we wanted the longer remaining life span before end-of-sale
> / end-of-support of the APs of the ax vs the ac. The added benefit Aruba
> provides is that it is very simple to disable the features (just a single
> check box on a profile). We figure we can wait for a semester or two and
> schedule an attempt to re-enable the features. A driver update definitely
> fixes the issue, but since we are so heavily loaded with BYOD devices that
> we have no control over, this was a better option for us. Hopefully this
> helps.
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> -Original Message-
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Kenny, Eric
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:14 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?
>
> Hi All,
>
> I know on-campus populations might not be what they usually are right now,
> but I was wondering if anyone has seen reports of buggy client side drivers
> causing issues with 802.11ax.  Specifically we are using the Aruba AP-530
> series AP.  There were some Intel chips that had challenges a few months
> back, but a driver update resolved the issue.
>
> We are considering disabling the Wi-Fi6 capability of the APs to prevent
> issues with outdated drivers, so we’d like to hear your observations so far
> if this is still a real problem.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Eric Kenny
>
> Network Architect | Infrastructure Technology Services Harvard University
> Information Technology
>
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Status of Wi-Fi 6 Client Drivers?

2020-09-23 Thread Nadim El-Khoury

Hi Eric,

Yes, we have seen it using Mist APs (AP43) specifically. When the drivers
are updated on the PC, then the users have been able to login.
We have seen this issue mainly on Lenovo computers. The driver had to be
downloaded from the manufacturer of the Wi-Fi chip. Not from Microsoft.

Best,

Nadim

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:13 PM Kenny, Eric  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I know on-campus populations might not be what they usually are right now,
> but I was wondering if anyone has seen reports of buggy client side drivers
> causing issues with 802.11ax.  Specifically we are using the Aruba AP-530
> series AP.  There were some Intel chips that had challenges a few months
> back, but a driver update resolved the issue.
>
> We are considering disabling the Wi-Fi6 capability of the APs to prevent
> issues with outdated drivers, so we’d like to hear your observations so far
> if this is still a real problem.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Eric Kenny
>
> Network Architect | Infrastructure Technology Services
> Harvard University Information Technology
>
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