Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

2021-04-01 Thread Jeschke, Kurt 
Philippe, best I've seen in decades!  Almost sucked me out of retirement.


Kurt


Kurt Jeschke, Ph. D.

Penn State



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On Apr 1, 2021, at 16:03, Philippe Hanset 
<005cd62f91b7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:005cd62f91b7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>>
 wrote:

Ok, Full Disclosure … I was in shortage of April 1st fun :)


Well, you got all of us….. :)

Nicely done!

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

2021-04-01 Thread Enfield, Chuck 
Darn you Philippe.  I was determined to get through the day without being had.  
Better luck next year I guess.

Chuck

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 On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 5:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

Ok, Full Disclosure ... I was in shortage of April 1st fun :)


AFO, April's Fools Officer :)




On Apr 1, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Spurgeon, Charles E 
mailto:c.spurg...@austin.utexas.edu>> wrote:

IMHO, Exposure Notification Express is the droid to look for.
https://screenrant.com/apple-google-coronavirus-exposure-notifications-explained/<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fscreenrant.com%2Fapple-google-coronavirus-exposure-notifications-explained%2F=04%7C01%7Ccae104%40PSU.EDU%7C2201d477952b44b4a76b08d8f5518df0%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C1%7C637529077918996973%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0=JQtCc%2FhalQRDZTAP21eV6J91McYfIvs%2B154FQldsEmI%3D=0>

It has been adopted by a number state heath depts in the US, but there needs to 
be more.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/01/16/covid-19-exposure-notification-api-states/<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F9to5mac.com%2F2021%2F01%2F16%2Fcovid-19-exposure-notification-api-states%2F=04%7C01%7Ccae104%40PSU.EDU%7C2201d477952b44b4a76b08d8f5518df0%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C1%7C637529077919006971%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0=H2BPdJUVMlTD8OiTB9zZimV4rHBJnWLTIJJrvMcc2F4%3D=0>

This kind of contact tracing appears to be an important component when it comes 
to long term management of COVID, its variants, and the follow-on viruses that 
are inevitable.
https://www.wired.com/story/larry-brilliant-herd-immunity-end-of-pandemic/<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wired.com%2Fstory%2Flarry-brilliant-herd-immunity-end-of-pandemic%2F=04%7C01%7Ccae104%40PSU.EDU%7C2201d477952b44b4a76b08d8f5518df0%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C1%7C637529077919016966%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0=NZXGTWlacCRyaWfO9EbnYrBsn%2FZsMzd1h7uePmlKlNM%3D=0>

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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

We had the same discussions and the same conclusion, wifi is not good for this. 
  One reason is  you can't trust the result.  You can't say a person was in a 
certain building because they may have forgot their phone, not registered yet.  
 You can't say a person was not in a building because many devices registered 
to a person are stationary and connect even when the person is not there.  So 
any data you pull is inconclusive at best.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Dan Lauing
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:53 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

I don't believe Wi-Fi is a good technology for this. It's nice when you can 
reuse existing overhead, but I don't think 2.4/5/6 radio is the answer. You're 
just begging for false positives.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 2:47 PM Seth Bean 
mailto:seth.b...@mcla.edu>> wrote:
We ducked this by explaining our wireless design was created for coverage, not 
security/triangulation, which is true.  Many of our buildings do not have the 
capability to do triagulation because of AP positions.  We didn't even get into 
the privacy item, which was honestly a relief.

Seth Bean
Administrator of Networks and Telecommunications
APA Union Chapter President
Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
413.662.5022
413.663.1276
375 Church Street
North Adams,
MA 01247
"National Top Ten
Public Liberal Arts College"
2020-2021 US News & World Report

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Several vendors are trying to monetize COVID... the

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

2021-04-01 Thread Dan Lauing 
To be fair, I read "AFO" and thought, "What in the world is that?"

I was obviously undeterred.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 4:05 PM Julian Y Koh 
wrote:

>
>
> On Apr 1, 2021, at 16:03, Philippe Hanset <
> 005cd62f91b7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu> wrote:
>
> Ok, Full Disclosure … I was in shortage of April 1st fun :)
>
>
> Well, you got all of us….. :)
>
> Nicely done!
>
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> Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
> Northwestern Information Technology
>
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

2021-04-01 Thread Julian Y Koh 


On Apr 1, 2021, at 16:03, Philippe Hanset 
<005cd62f91b7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>
 wrote:

Ok, Full Disclosure … I was in shortage of April 1st fun :)


Well, you got all of us….. :)

Nicely done!

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Julian Y. Koh
Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
Northwestern Information Technology

2020 Ridge Avenue #331
Evanston, IL 60208
+1-847-467-5780
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PGP Public Key: 


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

2021-04-01 Thread Philippe Hanset 
Ok, Full Disclosure … I was in shortage of April 1st fun :)


AFO, April’s Fools Officer :)



> On Apr 1, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Spurgeon, Charles E 
>  wrote:
> 
> IMHO, Exposure Notification Express is the droid to look for.
> https://screenrant.com/apple-google-coronavirus-exposure-notifications-explained/
>  
> <https://screenrant.com/apple-google-coronavirus-exposure-notifications-explained/>
>  
> It has been adopted by a number state heath depts in the US, but there needs 
> to be more.
> https://9to5mac.com/2021/01/16/covid-19-exposure-notification-api-states/ 
> <https://9to5mac.com/2021/01/16/covid-19-exposure-notification-api-states/>
>  
> This kind of contact tracing appears to be an important component when it 
> comes to long term management of COVID, its variants, and the follow-on 
> viruses that are inevitable.
> https://www.wired.com/story/larry-brilliant-herd-immunity-end-of-pandemic/ 
> <https://www.wired.com/story/larry-brilliant-herd-immunity-end-of-pandemic/>
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
>  On Behalf Of Jerry Bucklaew
> Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:09 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid
>  
> We had the same discussions and the same conclusion, wifi is not good for 
> this.   One reason is  you can’t trust the result.  You can’t say a person 
> was in a certain building because they may have forgot their phone, not 
> registered yet.   You can’t say a person was not in a building because many 
> devices registered to a person are stationary and connect even when the 
> person is not there.  So any data you pull is inconclusive at best. 
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
>  On Behalf Of Dan Lauing
> Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:53 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid
>  
> I don't believe Wi-Fi is a good technology for this. It's nice when you can 
> reuse existing overhead, but I don't think 2.4/5/6 radio is the answer. 
> You're just begging for false positives.
>  
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 2:47 PM Seth Bean  <mailto:seth.b...@mcla.edu>> wrote:
> We ducked this by explaining our wireless design was created for coverage, 
> not security/triangulation, which is true.  Many of our buildings do not have 
> the capability to do triagulation because of AP positions.  We didn't even 
> get into the privacy item, which was honestly a relief.  
>  
> Seth Bean
> Administrator of Networks and Telecommunications
> APA Union Chapter President
> Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
> 413.662.5022
> 413.663.1276
> 
> 375 Church Street
> North Adams,
> MA 01247
> 
> “National Top Ten 
> Public Liberal Arts College”
> 2020-2021 US News & World Report
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
>  <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> on behalf of Lee H Badman 
> <00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu 
> <mailto:00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>>
> Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:33 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> 
>  <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid
>  
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of MCLA. Do not click links or 
> open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
>  
> Several vendors are trying to monetize COVID… the Wi-Fi part (in my opinion) 
> falls apart fairly quickly in spots when you start talking it through for 
> contact tracing- and usually to do it you may have to buy things you don’t 
> have to round out the system.
> 
>  
> 
> FWIW.
> 
>  
> 
> Lee Badman | Network Architect (CWNE#200)
> 
> Information Technology Services
> (NDD Group)
> 206 Machinery Hall
> 120 Smith Drive
> Syracuse, New York 13244
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

2021-04-01 Thread Spurgeon, Charles E 
IMHO, Exposure Notification Express is the droid to look for.
https://screenrant.com/apple-google-coronavirus-exposure-notifications-explained/

It has been adopted by a number state heath depts in the US, but there needs to 
be more.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/01/16/covid-19-exposure-notification-api-states/

This kind of contact tracing appears to be an important component when it comes 
to long term management of COVID, its variants, and the follow-on viruses that 
are inevitable.
https://www.wired.com/story/larry-brilliant-herd-immunity-end-of-pandemic/

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Jerry Bucklaew
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:09 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

We had the same discussions and the same conclusion, wifi is not good for this. 
  One reason is  you can't trust the result.  You can't say a person was in a 
certain building because they may have forgot their phone, not registered yet.  
 You can't say a person was not in a building because many devices registered 
to a person are stationary and connect even when the person is not there.  So 
any data you pull is inconclusive at best.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Dan Lauing
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:53 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

I don't believe Wi-Fi is a good technology for this. It's nice when you can 
reuse existing overhead, but I don't think 2.4/5/6 radio is the answer. You're 
just begging for false positives.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 2:47 PM Seth Bean 
mailto:seth.b...@mcla.edu>> wrote:
We ducked this by explaining our wireless design was created for coverage, not 
security/triangulation, which is true.  Many of our buildings do not have the 
capability to do triagulation because of AP positions.  We didn't even get into 
the privacy item, which was honestly a relief.


Seth Bean
Administrator of Networks and Telecommunications
APA Union Chapter President
Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
413.662.5022
413.663.1276

375 Church Street
North Adams,
MA 01247
"National Top Ten
Public Liberal Arts College"
2020-2021 US News & World Report

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of Lee H Badman 
<00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>>
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:33 PM
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WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

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Several vendors are trying to monetize COVID... the Wi-Fi part (in my opinion) 
falls apart fairly quickly in spots when you start talking it through for 
contact tracing- and usually to do it you may have to buy things you don't have 
to round out the system.



FWIW.



Lee Badman | Network Architect (CWNE#200)

Information Technology Services
(NDD Group)
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

2021-04-01 Thread Jerry Bucklaew 
We had the same discussions and the same conclusion, wifi is not good for this. 
  One reason is  you can't trust the result.  You can't say a person was in a 
certain building because they may have forgot their phone, not registered yet.  
 You can't say a person was not in a building because many devices registered 
to a person are stationary and connect even when the person is not there.  So 
any data you pull is inconclusive at best.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Dan Lauing
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:53 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

I don't believe Wi-Fi is a good technology for this. It's nice when you can 
reuse existing overhead, but I don't think 2.4/5/6 radio is the answer. You're 
just begging for false positives.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 2:47 PM Seth Bean 
mailto:seth.b...@mcla.edu>> wrote:
We ducked this by explaining our wireless design was created for coverage, not 
security/triangulation, which is true.  Many of our buildings do not have the 
capability to do triagulation because of AP positions.  We didn't even get into 
the privacy item, which was honestly a relief.


Seth Bean
Administrator of Networks and Telecommunications
APA Union Chapter President
Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
413.662.5022
413.663.1276

375 Church Street
North Adams,
MA 01247
"National Top Ten
Public Liberal Arts College"
2020-2021 US News & World Report

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of Lee H Badman 
<00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>>
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Several vendors are trying to monetize COVID... the Wi-Fi part (in my opinion) 
falls apart fairly quickly in spots when you start talking it through for 
contact tracing- and usually to do it you may have to buy things you don't have 
to round out the system.



FWIW.



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Information Technology Services
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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid



All,



Has anyone else been approached by AFCOTRA?

They have developed an algorithm to map Wireless users and Covid Contamination.

They want to use Wi-Fi logs to establish mapping of Covid Cross Contamination 
on campus.

(I guess linking MAC address to Wi-Fi triangulation)



Neat Idea!



Philippe



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

2021-04-01 Thread Felix Windt 
If anyone is looking into doing this and is a Splunk customer and already 
throwing WiFi data from either Cisco or Aruba in there, they developed apps 
that can do more or less this. Contact tracing, cluster visualization on maps, 
and so on.
We didn’t end up going that route at all as a conscious decision to not overtly 
track students via WiFi, so I didn’t keep up on whether these were going to be 
made public or required an integration partner to configure. The demos were 
quite impressive, though, and if you already have the data set and product, 
it’s pretty much free for operation. The money is in the Splunk costs for 
keeping all that data.

Thanks,

Felix Windt
Senior Director, Network Services
Information, Technology, and Consulting
Dartmouth College
+603 646 8101

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Dan Lauing 
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 

Date: Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:53 PM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

I don't believe Wi-Fi is a good technology for this. It's nice when you can 
reuse existing overhead, but I don't think 2.4/5/6 radio is the answer. You're 
just begging for false positives.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 2:47 PM Seth Bean 
mailto:seth.b...@mcla.edu>> wrote:
We ducked this by explaining our wireless design was created for coverage, not 
security/triangulation, which is true.  Many of our buildings do not have the 
capability to do triagulation because of AP positions.  We didn't even get into 
the privacy item, which was honestly a relief.


Seth Bean
Administrator of Networks and Telecommunications
APA Union Chapter President
Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
413.662.5022
413.663.1276

375 Church Street
North Adams,
MA 01247
“National Top Ten
Public Liberal Arts College”
2020-2021 US News & World Report

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of Lee H Badman 
<00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>>
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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

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Several vendors are trying to monetize COVID… the Wi-Fi part (in my opinion) 
falls apart fairly quickly in spots when you start talking it through for 
contact tracing- and usually to do it you may have to buy things you don’t have 
to round out the system.



FWIW.



Lee Badman | Network Architect (CWNE#200)

Information Technology Services
(NDD Group)
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244

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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid



All,



Has anyone else been approached by AFCOTRA?

They have developed an algorithm to map Wireless users and Covid Contamination.

They want to use Wi-Fi logs to establish mapping of Covid Cross Contamination 
on campus.

(I guess linking MAC address to Wi-Fi triangula

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

2021-04-01 Thread Dan Lauing 
I don't believe Wi-Fi is a good technology for this. It's nice when you can
reuse existing overhead, but I don't think 2.4/5/6 radio is the answer.
You're just begging for false positives.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 2:47 PM Seth Bean  wrote:

> We ducked this by explaining our wireless design was created for coverage,
> not security/triangulation, which is true.  Many of our buildings do not
> have the capability to do triagulation because of AP positions.  We didn't
> even get into the privacy item, which was honestly a relief.
>
> *Seth Bean*
> Administrator of Networks and Telecommunications
> APA Union Chapter President
> *Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts*
> 413.662.5022
> 413.663.1276
>
> 375 Church Street
> North Adams,
> MA 01247
>
>
> *“National Top Ten  *
> *Public Liberal Arts College” **2020-2021 US News & World Report*
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> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Lee H Badman <
> 00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>
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> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <
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> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid
>
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of MCLA. Do not click links
> or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is
> safe.
>
> Several vendors are trying to monetize COVID… the Wi-Fi part (in my
> opinion) falls apart fairly quickly in spots when you start talking it
> through for contact tracing- and usually to do it you may have to buy
> things you don’t have to round out the system.
>
>
>
> FWIW.
>
>
>
> *Lee Badman* | Network Architect (CWNE#200)
>
> Information Technology Services
> (NDD Group)
> 206 Machinery Hall
> 120 Smith Drive
> Syracuse, New York 13244
>
> *t* 315.443.3003  * e* lhbad...@syr.edu *w* its.syr.edu
>
> Campus Wireless Policy:
> https://answers.syr.edu/display/network/Wireless+Network+and+Systems
>
> *SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY*
> syr.edu
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Philippe Hanset
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:29 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid
>
>
>
> All,
>
>
>
> Has anyone else been approached by AFCOTRA?
>
> They have developed an algorithm to map Wireless users and Covid
> Contamination.
>
> They want to use Wi-Fi logs to establish mapping of Covid Cross
> Contamination on campus.
>
> (I guess linking MAC address to Wi-Fi triangulation)
>
>
>
> Neat Idea!
>
>
>
> Philippe
>
>
>
> Philippe Hanset, AFO
>
> www.anyroam.net
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

2021-04-01 Thread Seth Bean 
We ducked this by explaining our wireless design was created for coverage, not 
security/triangulation, which is true.  Many of our buildings do not have the 
capability to do triagulation because of AP positions.  We didn't even get into 
the privacy item, which was honestly a relief.


Seth Bean
Administrator of Networks and Telecommunications
APA Union Chapter President
Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
413.662.5022
413.663.1276

375 Church Street
North Adams,
MA 01247


“National Top Ten
Public Liberal Arts College”
2020-2021 US News & World Report

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Lee H Badman 
<00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:33 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

CAUTION: This email originated from outside of MCLA. Do not click links or open 
attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.


Several vendors are trying to monetize COVID… the Wi-Fi part (in my opinion) 
falls apart fairly quickly in spots when you start talking it through for 
contact tracing- and usually to do it you may have to buy things you don’t have 
to round out the system.



FWIW.



Lee Badman | Network Architect (CWNE#200)

Information Technology Services
(NDD Group)
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244

t 315.443.3003   e lhbad...@syr.edu<mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu> w its.syr.edu

Campus Wireless Policy: 
https://answers.syr.edu/display/network/Wireless+Network+and+Systems

SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:29 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid



All,



Has anyone else been approached by AFCOTRA?

They have developed an algorithm to map Wireless users and Covid Contamination.

They want to use Wi-Fi logs to establish mapping of Covid Cross Contamination 
on campus.

(I guess linking MAC address to Wi-Fi triangulation)



Neat Idea!



Philippe



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www.anyroam.net<http://www.anyroam.net>





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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

2021-04-01 Thread Lee H Badman 
Several vendors are trying to monetize COVID... the Wi-Fi part (in my opinion) 
falls apart fairly quickly in spots when you start talking it through for 
contact tracing- and usually to do it you may have to buy things you don't have 
to round out the system.

FWIW.

Lee Badman | Network Architect (CWNE#200)
Information Technology Services
(NDD Group)
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   e lhbad...@syr.edu<mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu> w its.syr.edu
Campus Wireless Policy: 
https://answers.syr.edu/display/network/Wireless+Network+and+Systems
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:29 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

All,

Has anyone else been approached by AFCOTRA?
They have developed an algorithm to map Wireless users and Covid Contamination.
They want to use Wi-Fi logs to establish mapping of Covid Cross Contamination 
on campus.
(I guess linking MAC address to Wi-Fi triangulation)

Neat Idea!

Philippe

Philippe Hanset, AFO
www.anyroam.net<http://www.anyroam.net>




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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid

2021-04-01 Thread Julian Y Koh 


On Apr 1, 2021, at 14:29, Philippe Hanset 
<005cd62f91b7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>
 wrote:

Has anyone else been approached by AFCOTRA?
They have developed an algorithm to map Wireless users and Covid Contamination.
They want to use Wi-Fi logs to establish mapping of Covid Cross Contamination 
on campus.
(I guess linking MAC address to Wi-Fi triangulation)

We haven’t talked to that organization specifically, but last year there was a 
bit of discussion about using Wi-Fi data to assist with contact tracing and 
with occupancy level tracking around campus.  At least a couple of the Wi-Fi 
vendors came up with analytics/reporting tools that would assist with this type 
of thing.  We chose not to implement anything like this due to privacy concerns 
primarily.



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