RE: Plastered buildings

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations)]

Yeah.

We have a stone mansion used that has the lath. We put an AP per room and just 
upgraded them to Aruba AP-203H APs.


Bruce Osborne
Senior Network Engineer
Network Operations - Wireless
 (434) 592-4229
LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Harris, Robert [mailto:robert.har...@culinary.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: Plastered buildings

Do you have the option to go into the rooms? Aruba has a series of APs that 
mount to a wall plate over an outlet. AP-303H , if it’s an option.

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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Plastered buildings

How do you deal with buildings that have plaster and fine metal mesh enclosing 
them?  We have placed access points on the exterior of the building, but the 
signal isn't getting through.  The rooms all open onto an outside hallway - 
there is no common internal hallway.

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Plastered buildings

[David Callisch]

My apologies. Not trying to pitch Ruckus just thought it might help him.  
shouldn't have said anything and won’t going foward.


David

On Aug 29, 2017, at 2:21 AM, Lee H Badman <lhbad...@syr.edu> wrote:

Not sure if this was in error? Please- we don't do vendor pitches here on the 
list.

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Ruckus wireless 

David Callisch
+1 408 504 5487


On Aug 28, 2017, at 9:20 PM, John Rodkey <rod...@westmont.edu 
<mailto:rod...@westmont.edu>> wrote:

> How do you deal with buildings that have plaster and fine metal mesh 
> enclosing them?  We have placed access points on the exterior of the 
> building, but the signal isn't getting through.  The rooms all open onto an 
> outside hallway - there is no common internal hallway.
> 
> John Rodkey
> Director of Servers and Networks
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Plastered buildings

[Samuel Clements]

I agree with the general sentiments here that a proper design is the way to
go. One of the biggest challenges we have, especially in the high density
areas, is that there is such a thing as too many APs. CCI is a huge issue
and you have a massive present right in front of you. Those lath and
plaster buildings do a fantastic job of isolating APs (and subsequently
interference) from each other. Far too often do I see people doing Wi-Fi
designs that don't leverage the 'gift of attenuation' from the environment
(building, obstacles, etc). Yes, you will invariably need more APs for this
building, but as stated previously, this could end up being a flagship
deployment for you due to incredibly awesome isolation and (I bet) a
practically nonexistent noise floor.
  -Sam

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu
> wrote:

> You have to mount them in-room, and likely every or every-other room
> depending on the wall makeup between them.
>
>
>
> My campus is made of nothing but plastered walls with metal mesh,
> compounded by the internal construction which is mainly reinforced
> block/concrete. This was a curse in the early WiFi days when we just wanted
> coverage. We’ve long since moved to dense in-room AP deployment and it’s a
> huge benefit. It’s the best RF gift imaginable, it just forces a
> more-costly design that most desire to use anyway.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
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> EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of John Rodkey <rod...@westmont.edu>
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>
>
>
> How do you deal with buildings that have plaster and fine metal mesh
> enclosing them?  We have placed access points on the exterior of the
> building, but the signal isn't getting through.  The rooms all open onto an
> outside hallway - there is no common internal hallway.
>
>
>
> John Rodkey
>
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Plastered buildings

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

You have to mount them in-room, and likely every or every-other room depending 
on the wall makeup between them.

My campus is made of nothing but plastered walls with metal mesh, compounded by 
the internal construction which is mainly reinforced block/concrete. This was a 
curse in the early WiFi days when we just wanted coverage. We’ve long since 
moved to dense in-room AP deployment and it’s a huge benefit. It’s the best RF 
gift imaginable, it just forces a more-costly design that most desire to use 
anyway.

Jeff

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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Plastered buildings

How do you deal with buildings that have plaster and fine metal mesh enclosing 
them?  We have placed access points on the exterior of the building, but the 
signal isn't getting through.  The rooms all open onto an outside hallway - 
there is no common internal hallway.

John Rodkey
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Plastered buildings

[Smith, Todd]

Here at the Charleston Area Medical Center, we have several floors that have 
not been renovated that are plaster lath with wire mesh and for us the only 
answer to was conduct a quality wireless survey and budget for AP in the room.  
It was a huge departure from our normal methods but the wireless survey showed 
that we couldn’t achieve our wireless design without it.

Fortunately we had the support from the executive team to get it done but 
sometimes the only good medicine for a problem tastes bad. ☺

Todd

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How do you deal with buildings that have plaster and fine metal mesh enclosing 
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Plastered buildings

[Chuck Enfield]

Yup.  This is your answer.  While the expense isn’t desirable, at least you 
get something for your money.  With the slightest amount of care, co-channel 
interference between APs can be totally eliminated.  That building could 
turn out to have your best wireless.



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John,



We just went through that exact scenario except we had a common hallway. Our 
initial plan was to place WAPs along the middle hallway. We were surprised 
to find zero penetration through plaster walls. Upon further inspection (and 
a few discreet holes) we found the metal lath. Fortunately, we had drop 
ceilings so we ended up installing CAT6 cabling in each room and placing an 
access point.



That is not an easy situation. Good luck!



Steve

WVU Network Operations



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How do you deal with buildings that have plaster and fine metal mesh 
enclosing them?  We have placed access points on the exterior of the 
building, but the signal isn't getting through.  The rooms all open onto an 
outside hallway - there is no common internal hallway.



John Rodkey

Director of Servers and Networks

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Plastered buildings

[Harris, Robert]

Do you have the option to go into the rooms? Aruba has a series of APs that 
mount to a wall plate over an outlet. AP-303H , if it’s an option.

[The Culinary Institute of America]
Robert Harris
Manager of Network Services
Culinary Institute of America
1946 Campus Drive
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To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Plastered buildings

How do you deal with buildings that have plaster and fine metal mesh enclosing 
them?  We have placed access points on the exterior of the building, but the 
signal isn't getting through.  The rooms all open onto an outside hallway - 
there is no common internal hallway.

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Plastered buildings

[Lee H Badman]

Do you have any UTP in the rooms at all, like for wired network ports? If so, 
this is a textbook case for wall plate APs. If not... You may have to bite the 
bullet and get into at least every other room, maybe on every other floor if 
you are lucky with floor penetration, one way or another.

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To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Plastered buildings

How do you deal with buildings that have plaster and fine metal mesh enclosing 
them?  We have placed access points on the exterior of the building, but the 
signal isn't getting through.  The rooms all open onto an outside hallway - 
there is no common internal hallway.

John Rodkey
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Plastered buildings

[Stephen Belcher]

John,

We just went through that exact scenario except we had a common hallway. Our 
initial plan was to place WAPs along the middle hallway. We were surprised to 
find zero penetration through plaster walls. Upon further inspection (and a few 
discreet holes) we found the metal lath. Fortunately, we had drop ceilings so 
we ended up installing CAT6 cabling in each room and placing an access point.

That is not an easy situation. Good luck!

Steve
WVU Network Operations

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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Plastered buildings

How do you deal with buildings that have plaster and fine metal mesh enclosing 
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Plastered buildings

[Lee H Badman]

Not sure if this was in error? Please- we don't do vendor pitches here on the 
list.

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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Plastered buildings

Ruckus wireless

David Callisch
+1 408 504 5487


On Aug 28, 2017, at 9:20 PM, John Rodkey 
<rod...@westmont.edu<mailto:rod...@westmont.edu>> wrote:

How do you deal with buildings that have plaster and fine metal mesh enclosing 
them?  We have placed access points on the exterior of the building, but the 
signal isn't getting through.  The rooms all open onto an outside hallway - 
there is no common internal hallway.

John Rodkey
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Plastered buildings

[David Callisch]

Ruckus wireless 

David Callisch
+1 408 504 5487


> On Aug 28, 2017, at 9:20 PM, John Rodkey  wrote:
> 
> How do you deal with buildings that have plaster and fine metal mesh 
> enclosing them?  We have placed access points on the exterior of the 
> building, but the signal isn't getting through.  The rooms all open onto an 
> outside hallway - there is no common internal hallway.
> 
> John Rodkey
> Director of Servers and Networks
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Plastered buildings

[John Rodkey]

How do you deal with buildings that have plaster and fine metal mesh
enclosing them?  We have placed access points on the exterior of the
building, but the signal isn't getting through.  The rooms all open onto an
outside hallway - there is no common internal hallway.

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks

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